Dear Aurélien.
Aurélien COUDERC - 23.01.22, 23:17:32 CET:
please consider that events being commented here have already
happened, had consequences and it’s not like you can go back in time.
Debian like most human groups has rules on how to become and stay a
member of the community. If you’re interested in them you can find
pointers at : https://wiki.debian.org/DAManager
The discussions on this have long passed usefulness and are more and
more offtopic for a Debian mailing list for KDE users.
I think when Debian account managers remove Debian developer status from someone who contributed a lot to KDE packages in Debian, it is fair
enough for users to express their frustration with that.
Muting discussion is a pattern I have seen so often in Debian that I
meanwhile unsubscribed from various development related mailing lists of Debian. Also cause it hurt reading what I read there. I am not a Debian developer and this in part is cause as my motivation increased to become
one I saw more and more that Debian at least in part has become a toxic environment. I do not like to be involved with the kind of politics I
have seen in Debian in the last years. In my perception it certainly did
not get better.
That written, I don't know what it was this time. I cannot say for sure whether it was justified or not. I could try to dig it all up, but most
likely after I try to read the mails related to this I would have more question marks than before. I would not be surprised if there would not
at least be two sides of the story. Both perfectly valid. And the
solution would have been to talk *with* one another in a constructive
way.
I am not (yet) ready to jump ship at the moment. Well in part I did by
moving to Devuan cause of the utter failure within Debian to resolve the conflict regarding the introduction of Systemd, however, I understand perfectly well that without the activity of the Debian Qt/KDE team there
would be no KDE Plasma and Co in Devuan.
I am grateful for that.
But at the same time I feel it is fair enough for users of KDE software
in Debian to express their frustration with what happened in a
*respectful* way.
From what I have seen happening within Debian within the last years, I
am not likely to increase my formal engagement with the project unless
there would be an in-depth transformation process of the culture
regarding how to handle conflict within the project. I am just not ready
to deal with the amount of toxicity I have seen within the last years.
There is a culture within Debian to stifle conflict instead of moving
through and then resolving it, and that clearly doesn't work. Conflicts
are a natural part of human relationships.
It is sad, cause on the other hand I usually got along well with members
of the Qt/KDE team and at least helped a bit here and there, not with packaging, but with communication with users, bug triaging and things
like that.
Fortunately enough KDE project mostly appears to be a much more
welcoming place.
It is sad to see what is happening from within Debian to Debian, but I
see myself not in a position to do much about it.
Best,
--
Martin
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