Hey all,

I've just pulled in a ceratopsian-theme splash screen - let me know what you think?

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Hi,

Steve McIntyre <[email protected]> wrote (Sun, 11 May 2025 16:32:35 +0100):

Hey all,

I've just pulled in a ceratopsian-theme splash screen - let me know what you think?

I remember we had some sort of issue with Debian 11 splash screen, where the "Debian 11" writing was at the bottom, and that may overlap with the kernel commandline, if you edit it manually, leading to bad visiblity.
This came to my mind, since the Debian 13 + swirl is also at the bottom.
But I guess you are aware of this?

Otherwise - looks good to me!


Holger



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Holger Wansing <[email protected]> (2025-05-13):

I remember we had some sort of issue with Debian 11 splash screen, where the "Debian 11" writing was at the bottom, and that may overlap with the kernel commandline, if you edit it manually, leading to bad visiblity.
This came to my mind, since the Debian 13 + swirl is also at the bottom.
But I guess you are aware of this?

Otherwise - looks good to me!

I have a few other topics to chase but that kind of things is usually my
main worry when a new theme comes up. Depending on patterns/colors that
might affect GRUB in a different way.

My initial plan was to give it a try and if that happens, either drop
Debian and/or 13 entirely to get the release out, or move them around.

(I find it slightly better not to have a minor bug than to have an
errata entry about it.)

Worst case, we ship as is, and we fix it up for RC 2.


I'd be entirely fine if someone wanted to adjust things a little while
I'm chasing down other things. Otherwise, fear my Inkscape skillz (or
lack thereof, really)!


Cheers,
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Cyril Brulebois ([email protected]) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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Hey guys,

On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 11:00:38PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

Holger Wansing <[email protected]> (2025-05-13):

I remember we had some sort of issue with Debian 11 splash screen, where the >> "Debian 11" writing was at the bottom, and that may overlap with the kernel >> commandline, if you edit it manually, leading to bad visiblity.
This came to my mind, since the Debian 13 + swirl is also at the bottom.
But I guess you are aware of this?

Otherwise - looks good to me!

I have a few other topics to chase but that kind of things is usually my
main worry when a new theme comes up. Depending on patterns/colors that
might affect GRUB in a different way.

My initial plan was to give it a try and if that happens, either drop
Debian and/or 13 entirely to get the release out, or move them around.

(I find it slightly better not to have a minor bug than to have an
errata entry about it.)

Worst case, we ship as is, and we fix it up for RC 2.

I'd be entirely fine if someone wanted to adjust things a little while
I'm chasing down other things. Otherwise, fear my Inkscape skillz (or
lack thereof, really)!

Maybe I'm getting old and forgetful - I don't remember an issue with
the kernel command line in Bullseye?

Happy to tweak the artwork here some more if people want, of course -
that's why I was asking for feedback. :-)

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Hi,

Steve McIntyre <[email protected]> (2025-05-14):

Maybe I'm getting old and forgetful - I don't remember an issue with
the kernel command line in Bullseye?

I don't recall (and won't chase) the specifics, but ISTR readability
problems with e.g. bright white text overlapping on a bright(ish) white
Debian logo at the bottom, when you edit the Linux kernel cmdline.

At a step where you might be stuck with an unfamiliar keyboard layout,
that can be a little annoying.

I have one more topic to look into (review and likely extend) before
starting to build images locally, and testing them. I think I'll take
the splash screen(s) as is, and if any adjustments are needed, they can
wait until RC 2.


Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois ([email protected]) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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Hey all,

On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 04:32:35PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:

I've just pulled in a ceratopsian-theme splash screen - let me know what you >think?

pardon me for stealing this thread, but which packages do I need
installed to have the graphical grub bootloader splash screen? My
notebook boots from a USB stick that is unisoned from /boot, so the not-appearance might also be a result of my strange boot setup.

Any hints will be appreciated.

Greetings
Marc

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On 14/05/2025 at 17:12, Marc Haber wrote:

pardon me for stealing this thread, but which packages do I need
installed to have the graphical grub bootloader splash screen?

No packages are needed AFAIK. When /boot/grub.cfg is generated by grub-mkconfig/update-grub, /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme is invoked and
uses the first existing picture among:
1. $GRUB_BACKGROUND defined in /etc/default/grub
2. JPEG|PNG|TGA files found in /boot/grub
3. $WALLPAPER defined in /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh
4. /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png
5. default theme

If the picture file is not readable by GRUB (unsupported filesystem or
block layer) or is not in the same filesystem as /boot/grub, then the
picture is cached as /boot/grub/.background_cache.<type>.

My notebook boots from a USB stick that is unisoned from /boot, so the not-appearance might also be a result of my strange boot setup.

Why is that so ? Can you tell more about your setup ?

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Hi,

Steve McIntyre <[email protected]> (2025-05-11):

I've just pulled in a ceratopsian-theme splash screen - let me know
what you think?

I think: thank you! (in public this time)

I'm seeing at least the feared readability issue when editing the kernel command line in BIOS mode. It's a little annoying as the logo is right
where one might want to start tweaking things. I think I'll errata it
out, because I'm also seeing other small glitches (that I didn't try to
check or replicate with bookworm). [bios-0.png]

Editing the default entry in UEFI mode seems much better (albeit with a repeated, shifted, cropped background used in the frame) [efi-0.png]

Diving into the advanced options, all submenus seems to have a ugly cyan
on blue frame (e.g. Graphical expert install). Possibly a trivial fix? [efi-1.png]

I'm only including bios-0.png to improve my chances of having this mail
reach the list, others can be found at:
https://people.debian.org/~kibi/ceratopsian/

It'd be great if someone could check dark mode at some point, I'm not
opening this can of worms myself.


Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois ([email protected]) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 07:38:48PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:

Hi,

Steve McIntyre <[email protected]> wrote (Wed, 14 May 2025 13:48:31 +0100):

Maybe I'm getting old and forgetful - I don't remember an issue with
the kernel command line in Bullseye?

See screenshot attached.

Thanks Holger, that's exactly what I needed to see. :-)

I'll take another look at the new splash screen once we've pushed RC1
out.

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nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free
speech because you have nothing to say."
-- Edward Snowden

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On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 06:59:38PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

On 14/05/2025 at 17:12, Marc Haber wrote:

pardon me for stealing this thread, but which packages do I need
installed to have the graphical grub bootloader splash screen?

No packages are needed AFAIK. When /boot/grub.cfg is generated by >grub-mkconfig/update-grub, /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme is invoked and
uses the first existing picture among:
1. $GRUB_BACKGROUND defined in /etc/default/grub
2. JPEG|PNG|TGA files found in /boot/grub
3. $WALLPAPER defined in /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh
4. /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png
5. default theme

If the picture file is not readable by GRUB (unsupported filesystem or
block layer) or is not in the same filesystem as /boot/grub, then the
picture is cached as /boot/grub/.background_cache.<type>.

That was quite helpful. By sprinklinkg a few -x into those scripts I
found out that the problem was GRUB_TERMINAL="console" that was ansibled
in by my playbooks that are more geared for servers than for personal notebooks.

My notebook boots from a USB stick that is unisoned from /boot, so
the not-appearance might also be a result of my strange boot setup.

Why is that so ? Can you tell more about your setup ?

The initramfs contains part of the key that is needed to unlock the
main disk.

Greetings
Marc

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