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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2024 11:02:12 +0100
Source: systemd-boot-installer
Architecture: source
Version: 0.7
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Install System Team <[email protected]> Changed-By: Cyril Brulebois <[email protected]>
Changes:
systemd-boot-installer (0.7) unstable; urgency=medium
.
[ Updated translations ]
* Belarusian (be.po) by Joe
* Estonian (et.po) by Kristjan Räts
* Persian (fa.po) by peylight
* French (fr.po) by Baptiste Jammet
* Icelandic (is.po) by Sveinn í Felli
* Japanese (ja.po) by Sadaharu Wakisaka
* Romanian (ro.po) by Remus-Gabriel Chelu
* Swedish (sv.po) by Anders Jonsson
* Tamil (ta.po) by தமிழ்நேரம்
* Turkish (tr.po) by Fatih Altun
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Hi Holger,

Debian FTP Masters <[email protected]> (2024-12-26):

systemd-boot-installer (0.7) unstable; urgency=medium
.
[ Updated translations ]
* Belarusian (be.po) by Joe
* Estonian (et.po) by Kristjan Räts
* Persian (fa.po) by peylight
* French (fr.po) by Baptiste Jammet
* Icelandic (is.po) by Sveinn í Felli
* Japanese (ja.po) by Sadaharu Wakisaka
* Romanian (ro.po) by Remus-Gabriel Chelu
* Swedish (sv.po) by Anders Jonsson
* Tamil (ta.po) by தமிழ்நேரம்
* Turkish (tr.po) by Fatih Altun
* Simplified Chinese (zh_CN.po) by Weng Qizhi

I failed to spot this initially while having a look at this package, but
it seems to me sl3 is not appropriate here: that's a package that
doesn't show up in a default install, and yet it was penalizing a bunch
of languages, leading to the “this translation is incomplete are you
sure you want to proceed?” prompt right after language selection.

If the level is indeed not appropriate, I'm not sure how transparent it
is to change it (does it generate an extra burden on the translators?),
but it'd be great if we could consider tweaking that in further updates.

Thanks already!


Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois ([email protected]) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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Hi,

Cyril Brulebois <[email protected]> wrote (Thu, 26 Dec 2024 11:38:55 +0100):

Debian FTP Masters <[email protected]> (2024-12-26):

systemd-boot-installer (0.7) unstable; urgency=medium

[...]

I failed to spot this initially while having a look at this package, but
it seems to me sl3 is not appropriate here: that's a package that
doesn't show up in a default install, and yet it was penalizing a bunch
of languages, leading to the “this translation is incomplete are you
sure you want to proceed?” prompt right after language selection.

Hmm, according to https://d-i.debian.org/doc/i18n-guide/ch01s04.html#sublevels sublevel3 is for "expert strings (some low priority features such as RAID, encrypted partitions, etc.)" - aka not for default install.
So sl3 might not be that wrong.

However, sublevel4 is "specific to less-popular arches (such as powerpc, mips or sparc) or used in experimental features".
That leads to the decision, which arch is popular and which is not.
But since arm64 is somewhat new, we could count that to the "not popular"
ones currently, for sure. Thus moving the strings to sl4...


But now we are at the point, where I ask myself, why that makes a difference? Are all strings from sl4 and sl5 generally not considered, when calculating the translation-status value?
That's at least not documented in the above quoted doc...

If the level is indeed not appropriate, I'm not sure how transparent it
is to change it (does it generate an extra burden on the translators?),
but it'd be great if we could consider tweaking that in further updates.

I have a walk-through for this task, that can be done without problem.
Will do, when alpha1 is out.
(And: No, there's no extra burden or extra work for translators here.)
I should document how to do this in above doc BTW...


Holger




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Hi,

Holger Wansing <[email protected]> (2024-12-26):

Hmm, according to https://d-i.debian.org/doc/i18n-guide/ch01s04.html#sublevels
sublevel3 is for "expert strings (some low priority features such as
RAID, encrypted partitions, etc.)" - aka not for default install. So
sl3 might not be that wrong.

Thanks for checking…

However, sublevel4 is "specific to less-popular arches (such as
powerpc, mips or sparc) or used in experimental features".
That leads to the decision, which arch is popular and which is not.
But since arm64 is somewhat new, we could count that to the "not popular" ones currently, for sure. Thus moving the strings to sl4...

I think I'd just call that an “experimental feature”, without diving
into arch popularity considerations. :)

But now we are at the point, where I ask myself, why that makes a
difference?

Are all strings from sl4 and sl5 generally not considered, when
calculating the translation-status value?

That's at least not documented in the above quoted doc...

Let's look at calc-release-status:

# Format of that file is '<lang>: <sublevel> <status>', where:
# - <sublevel> is the first sublevel that is not fully translated or,
# if the language /is/ fully translated, the highest sublevel;
# - <status> is: F (full), M (mostly: >90%), P (partial: 50-90%),
# L (limited: <50%).
# Note that sublevels 1 and 2 are taken together.

In the case of “fr”, that moved from “3 M” to “5 F” after the update.

Then, localechooser does this:

# Determine which template to display to warn for incomplete translations
# and fill in the variable contents
warning_template() {
local RET status template tbase twarn tabort
status=$1
tbase=localechooser/translation

case $status in
0) twarn=incomplete; tabort=abort ;;
1) twarn=normal-ok; tabort=abort ;;
2) twarn=partial; tabort=maybe-abort ;;
3) twarn=mostly-ok ;;
4) twarn=exceptions ;;
esac
if [ $status -le 2 ]; then
template=$tbase/warn-severe
db_metaget $tbase/text/$tabort description
db_subst $template TXT-ABORT "$RET"
else
template=$tbase/warn-light
fi

# Languages that have fallbacks may have special templates
if [ "$twarn" != exceptions ] && \
expr $LANGUAGELIST : ".*:" >/dev/null && \
db_metaget $tbase/text/warn_$twarn/$LANGUAGE description; then
:
else
db_metaget $tbase/text/warn_$twarn description
fi
db_subst $template TXT-WARN "$RET"

echo $template
}

so I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make to have those
templates in sl4.

I have a walk-through for this task, that can be done without problem.
Will do, when alpha1 is out.
(And: No, there's no extra burden or extra work for translators here.)

Perfect, thanks!

I should document how to do this in above doc BTW...

That'd be awesome. :)


Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois ([email protected]) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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On 26/12/2024 at 19:14, Holger Wansing wrote:

However, sublevel4 is "specific to less-popular arches (such as powerpc, mips or sparc) or used in experimental features".
That leads to the decision, which arch is popular and which is not.
But since arm64 is somewhat new, we could count that to the "not popular" ones currently, for sure. Thus moving the strings to sl4...

Why arm64 ? systemd-boot-installer has "Architecture: all" and is
currently enabled at runtime on arm64, amd64 and riscv64.

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Hi,

Pascal Hambourg <[email protected]> wrote (Thu, 26 Dec 2024 20:21:10 +0100):

On 26/12/2024 at 19:14, Holger Wansing wrote:

However, sublevel4 is "specific to less-popular arches (such as powerpc, mips
or sparc) or used in experimental features".
That leads to the decision, which arch is popular and which is not.
But since arm64 is somewhat new, we could count that to the "not popular" ones currently, for sure. Thus moving the strings to sl4...

Why arm64 ? systemd-boot-installer has "Architecture: all" and is
currently enabled at runtime on arm64, amd64 and riscv64.

Huh, yes, in fact, this is not arm64.
I mixed that up somehow. Uuups.


Holger


--
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Hi,

Cyril Brulebois <[email protected]> wrote (Thu, 26 Dec 2024 19:27:50 +0100):

Holger Wansing <[email protected]> (2024-12-26):

I have a walk-through for this task, that can be done without problem.
Will do, when alpha1 is out.
(And: No, there's no extra burden or extra work for translators here.)

Perfect, thanks!

This has been completed Saturday night.

I should document how to do this in above doc BTW...

That'd be awesome. :)

And this is now also done: https://d-i.debian.org/doc/i18n-guide/ch02s05.html#idm860


Holger

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