Hallo,

For previous versions of the installer, I have always had the options
referred to here:

With Bullseye, either https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ or https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/,
I do not.

This would not be a problem if these instructions ( https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch06s01.html.en) included a
clue as to WHERE to use the expert command.

If your hardware requires you to pass options to kernel modules as they are

installed, you will need to start the installer in “expert” mode. This can be done by either using the *expert* command to start the installer
or by adding the boot argument *priority=low*. Expert mode gives you full control over debian-installer

#debian-install --expert did not do it...

Mailing List etiquette prevents me from adding a screenshot, but I can if
it will help explain the issue.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Simon

<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace">Hallo,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace">For
previous versions of the installer, I have always had the options referred to here:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace">With Bullseye,
either <a href="https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/">https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/</a> or <a href="https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-
live/">https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/</a>, I do not.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,
monospace">This would not be a problem if these instructions (<a href="https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch06s01.html.en">https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch06s01.html.en</a>) included a clue as to WHERE to use the expert command.</

<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;

Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium">If your hardware requires you to pass options to kernel modules as they are installed, you will need to start the installer in </span><span class="gmail-quote" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New
Roman&quot;;font-size:medium">“<span class="gmail-quote">expert</span>”</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium"> mode. This can be done by either using the </span><span class="gmail-command"
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium"><strong>expert</strong></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium"> command to start the installer or by adding the boot
argument </span><strong class="gmail-userinput" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium"><code>priority=low</code></strong><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium">.
Expert mode gives you full control over </span><code class="gmail-classname" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">debian-installer</code></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="
font-family:courier new,monospace">#debian-install --expert did not do it...</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace">Mailing List etiquette
prevents me from adding a screenshot, but I can if it will help explain the issue.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace">Any help greatly
appreciated.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace">Thanks.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></

<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace">Simon</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div></div>

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Hi,

Am 9. August 2022 12:13:06 MESZ schrieb Simon B <[email protected]>: >Hallo,

For previous versions of the installer, I have always had the options >referred to here:

With Bullseye, either >https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ or >https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/,

Here, you point to debian live images...

I do not.

This would not be a problem if these instructions ( >https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch06s01.html.en) included a
clue as to WHERE to use the expert command.

If your hardware requires you to pass options to kernel modules as they are

installed, you will need to start the installer in “expert” mode. This >> can be done by either using the *expert* command to start the installer
or by adding the boot argument *priority=low*. Expert mode gives you full
control over debian-installer

#debian-install --expert did not do it...

And the manual snippet you're quoting here is for the normal
debian-installer.
That's a different thing!

For recent debian-installer images I no issue with expert mode. Works as usual.

If your problem is with live images, you would better ask
on debian-live.

Mailing List etiquette prevents me from adding a screenshot, but I can if
it will help explain the issue.

Holger


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Hi Simon,

On Tue, Aug 09, 2022 at 12:13:06PM +0200, Simon B wrote:

For previous versions of the installer, I have always had the options referred >to here:

With Bullseye, either https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/ >iso-hybrid/ or https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/ >cd-including-firmware/current-live/, I do not.

This would not be a problem if these instructions (https://www.debian.org/ >releases/wheezy/amd64/ch06s01.html.en) included a clue as to WHERE to use the >expert command.

If your hardware requires you to pass options to kernel modules as they are
installed, you will need to start the installer in “expert” mode. This can
be done by either using the expert command to start the installer or by
adding the boot argument priority=low. Expert mode gives you full control
over debian-installer

Apologies, those instructions document our separate installer
images. The live images don't offer quite the same set of menus, and
one of the the missing options is "expert mode".

#debian-install --expert did not do it...

If you add "priority=low" as a command line option to an installer
boot option, that's what "expert mode" does.

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- @torproject

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On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 12:32, Steve McIntyre <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Simon,

On Tue, Aug 09, 2022 at 12:13:06PM +0200, Simon B wrote:

For previous versions of the installer, I have always had the options referred
to here:

With Bullseye, either https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/
iso-hybrid/ or https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/ >cd-including-firmware/current-live/, I do not.

This would not be a problem if these instructions (https://www.debian.org/ >releases/wheezy/amd64/ch06s01.html.en) included a clue as to WHERE to use the
expert command.

If your hardware requires you to pass options to kernel modules as they are
installed, you will need to start the installer in “expert” mode. This can
be done by either using the expert command to start the installer or by
adding the boot argument priority=low. Expert mode gives you full control
over debian-installer

Apologies, those instructions document our separate installer
images. The live images don't offer quite the same set of menus, and
one of the the missing options is "expert mode".

Thanks also to Holger for pointing this out - that was indeed it (I
have mostly always used the live images in the last 10 years and
obviously seldom needed the expert option and just never noticed it
was missing).

#debian-install --expert did not do it...

If you add "priority=low" as a command line option to an installer
boot option, that's what "expert mode" does.

Just for clarity, you mean pressing 'e' and changing the line to:

linux /live/vmlinuz-5.10 boo=live blah blah
to
linux /live/vmlinuz-5.10 boo=live priority=low blah blah

Right?

Thanks.

Simon

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On Tue, Aug 09, 2022 at 01:04:17PM +0200, Simon B wrote:

On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 12:32, Steve McIntyre <[email protected]> wrote:

If you add "priority=low" as a command line option to an installer
boot option, that's what "expert mode" does.

Just for clarity, you mean pressing 'e' and changing the line to:

linux /live/vmlinuz-5.10 boo=live blah blah
to
linux /live/vmlinuz-5.10 boo=live priority=low blah blah

Right?

Almost! :-)

You're booting using grub (i.e. in UEFI mode). Checking the grub
config on current live images, the "/live/vmlinuz-5.10" options are
for live boot. The installer menu options are:

menuentry "Graphical Debian Installer" {
linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz
}
menuentry "Debian Installer" {
linux /d-i/vmlinuz "${loopback}"
initrd /d-i/initrd.gz
}

so you'll want to edit one of *those* lines, adding "priority=low" as
you did above.

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On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 13:30, Steve McIntyre <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 09, 2022 at 01:04:17PM +0200, Simon B wrote:

On Tue, 9 Aug 2022 at 12:32, Steve McIntyre <[email protected]> wrote:

If you add "priority=low" as a command line option to an installer
boot option, that's what "expert mode" does.

Just for clarity, you mean pressing 'e' and changing the line to:

linux /live/vmlinuz-5.10 boo=live blah blah
to
linux /live/vmlinuz-5.10 boo=live priority=low blah blah

Right?

Almost! :-)

You're booting using grub (i.e. in UEFI mode). Checking the grub
config on current live images, the "/live/vmlinuz-5.10" options are
for live boot. The installer menu options are:

menuentry "Graphical Debian Installer" {
linux /d-i/gtk/vmlinuz append video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 "${loopback}"
initrd /d-i/gtk/initrd.gz
}
menuentry "Debian Installer" {
linux /d-i/vmlinuz "${loopback}"
initrd /d-i/initrd.gz
}

so you'll want to edit one of *those* lines, adding "priority=low" as
you did above.

I appreciate the clarification - thank again Steve!

Simon

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