GNOME 44 Beta will be released in a few days. Is it ok to push GNOME
44 stuff to Debian experimental?

With rare exceptions (maybe epiphany-browser or
xdg-desktop-portal-gnome), none of the GNOME 44 stuff is going into
Debian 12.

Just a note to GNOME fans. Experimental isn't designed to be usable.
It often contains unfinished library transitions which could make it
impossible to run GNOME (as happened when GNOME 43 was in Experimental
last year).

https://wiki.gnome.org/FortyFour

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

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On Thu, 09 Feb 2023 at 06:28:15 -0500, Jeremy B�cha wrote:

GNOME 44 Beta will be released in a few days. Is it ok to push GNOME
44 stuff to Debian experimental?

I think yes, but I'd like a branch from the last version intended for
bookworm to exist first.

We can either do debian/master + debian/experimental (like dbus and glib2.0)
or debian/unstable + debian/master (like you've preferred to do in most of GNOME in the past). Either works as long as it's clear.

With rare exceptions (maybe epiphany-browser or
xdg-desktop-portal-gnome), none of the GNOME 44 stuff is going into
Debian 12.

I suspect xdg-desktop-portal-gnome 44 is unlikely to be appropriate for
Debian 12 either, unless the changes happen to be very small this cycle.

smcv

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On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 8:09 AM Simon McVittie <[email protected]> wrote:

On Thu, 09 Feb 2023 at 06:28:15 -0500, Jeremy Bícha wrote:

GNOME 44 Beta will be released in a few days. Is it ok to push GNOME
44 stuff to Debian experimental?

I think yes, but I'd like a branch from the last version intended for bookworm to exist first.

For most apps, we won't have a need to do any more bookworm uploads.
Can we wait to fork a branch from the latest bookworm git release tag
until we actually need it, or are expected to need it? Like we need
gnome-shell but we probably wouldn't need something like devhelp or gnome-mines.

We can either do debian/master + debian/experimental (like dbus and glib2.0) or debian/unstable + debian/master (like you've preferred to do in most of GNOME in the past). Either works as long as it's clear.

Yeah, my preference once we fork is debian/bookworm since that
matches the convention we have been using for Debian Stable updates.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

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I know that I will need to do an evolution-data-server for bookworm
for webkit2gtk 2.40. I think we will wait for webkit2gtk 2.40.0 to be
released. See https://bugs.debian.org/1029206

It's ok for me to upload the new evolution-data-server series to
experimental now since we will still have Unstable available to
prepare uploads for Bookworm/Testing, right?

gnome-builder and epiphany-browser also will need changes for webkit2gtk.

Thank you,
Jeremy Bícha

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On Thu, 09 Feb 2023 at 08:22:20 -0500, Jeremy B�cha wrote:

For most apps, we won't have a need to do any more bookworm uploads.
Can we wait to fork a branch from the latest bookworm git release tag
until we actually need it, or are expected to need it?

Sure, that seems reasonable to me. For some packages (Shell, GTK,
that sort of thing) we can predict with 90% confidence that we'll need
bookworm updates, and for some packages (games and other leaf packages)
we can predict with reasonable confidence that we won't.

my preference once we fork is debian/bookworm since that
matches the convention we have been using for Debian Stable updates

During freeze that seems a completely reasonable convention to have
(and I personally like it better than debian/unstable).

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 07:20:36 -0500, Jeremy B�cha wrote:

It's ok for me to upload the new evolution-data-server series to
experimental now since we will still have Unstable available to
prepare uploads for Bookworm/Testing, right?

I would say yes, but I don't consider myself to be a maintainer of the Evolution family of packages.

smcv

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