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  • Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases

    From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 1 05:32:34 2024
    Le 01/09/2024 à 05:04, Peter Olcoot (molester) a écrit :
    *I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases*

    knowledge is a justified true belief such that the
    justification is sufficient reason to accept the
    truth of the belief.




    *facepalm*

    Your only chance for purgatory instead of Hell is your stupidity
    Peter.

    You could plaid then: "I was not lying! I am stupid!"

    Do you think this will hold?

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Sun Sep 1 13:58:58 2024
    On 2024-09-01 03:04:43 +0000, olcott said:

    *I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases*

    knowledge is a justified true belief such that the
    justification is sufficient reason to accept the
    truth of the belief.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem

    The remaining loophole is the lack of an exact definition
    of "sufficient reason".

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Mon Sep 2 11:11:51 2024
    On 9/2/24 9:33 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 9/1/2024 5:58 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-09-01 03:04:43 +0000, olcott said:

    *I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases*

    knowledge is a justified true belief such that the
    justification is sufficient reason to accept the
    truth of the belief.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem

    The remaining loophole is the lack of an exact definition
    of "sufficient reason".


    Ultimately sufficient reason is correct semantic
    entailment from verified facts.



    But is something that you can't KNOW to be true.

    You demonstate this property perfectly. Your claim to "verified facts"
    that are just incorrect proves that we have a problem trying to have a
    actual working and usable definition of knowledge.

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Mon Sep 2 11:12:16 2024
    On 9/2/24 9:33 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 9/1/2024 5:58 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-09-01 03:04:43 +0000, olcott said:

    *I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases*

    knowledge is a justified true belief such that the
    justification is sufficient reason to accept the
    truth of the belief.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem

    The remaining loophole is the lack of an exact definition
    of "sufficient reason".


    Ultimately sufficient reason is correct semantic
    entailment from verified facts.


    But not possible to KNOW you have reached that point.

    Sorry, you are just to stupid to understand the problem, and are thus a
    perfect example of the problem itself.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Tue Sep 3 11:39:03 2024
    On 2024-09-02 13:33:36 +0000, olcott said:

    On 9/1/2024 5:58 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-09-01 03:04:43 +0000, olcott said:

    *I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases*

    knowledge is a justified true belief such that the
    justification is sufficient reason to accept the
    truth of the belief.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem

    The remaining loophole is the lack of an exact definition
    of "sufficient reason".


    Ultimately sufficient reason is correct semantic
    entailment from verified facts.

    The problem is "verified" facts: what is sufficient verification?

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Tue Sep 3 22:17:02 2024
    On 9/3/24 9:03 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 9/3/2024 3:39 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-09-02 13:33:36 +0000, olcott said:

    On 9/1/2024 5:58 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-09-01 03:04:43 +0000, olcott said:

    *I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases*

    knowledge is a justified true belief such that the
    justification is sufficient reason to accept the
    truth of the belief.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem

    The remaining loophole is the lack of an exact definition
    of "sufficient reason".


    Ultimately sufficient reason is correct semantic
    entailment from verified facts.

    The problem is "verified" facts: what is sufficient verification?


    Stipulated to be true is always sufficient:
    Cats are a know if animal.


    "Stipulated to be true" is incorrect logic.


    Empirically verified to be true in the current moment:
    I have a left hand right now, is sufficient.


    Are you SURE you have a left hand. You could just be a brain in a giant simulation.

    You could have lost you left hand and have a great prosthesis.

    Observations can not be "proved" to be totally accurate.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Thu Sep 5 10:20:32 2024
    On 2024-09-03 13:03:51 +0000, olcott said:

    On 9/3/2024 3:39 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-09-02 13:33:36 +0000, olcott said:

    On 9/1/2024 5:58 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-09-01 03:04:43 +0000, olcott said:

    *I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases*

    knowledge is a justified true belief such that the
    justification is sufficient reason to accept the
    truth of the belief.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem

    The remaining loophole is the lack of an exact definition
    of "sufficient reason".


    Ultimately sufficient reason is correct semantic
    entailment from verified facts.

    The problem is "verified" facts: what is sufficient verification?


    Stipulated to be true is always sufficient:
    Cats are a know if animal.

    Insufficient for practtical purposes. You may stipulate that
    nitroglycerine is not poison but it can kill you anyway.

    Empirically verified to be true in the current moment:
    I have a left hand right now, is sufficient.

    I can't verify that.

    --
    Mikko

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