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  • Re: Liar detector: Olcott is a Liar !!!

    From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Sat Jul 6 22:09:30 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    On 7/6/24 9:49 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 8:42 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 7/6/24 9:31 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 8:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 7/6/24 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 7:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 7/6/24 8:26 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 7:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 7/6/24 7:54 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 6:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 7/6/24 7:28 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 6:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 7/6/24 7:09 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 5:49 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 7/6/24 6:44 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 5:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 7/6/24 6:20 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 5:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 7/6/24 5:55 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 7/6/2024 4:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/24 5:40 PM, olcott wrote:

    That requires HHH to report on what itself does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before it does this,
    thus exactly the same you you never needing to buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groceries once
    you decide that you will do this.


    Nope, because HHH is deterministic in behavior, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    It cannot report on the effect of what it did before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does this
    otherwise we are back to you never needing to buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groceries as
    soon as you decide to go buy them.


    It MUST report on what it DOES.

    Exactly. That means that it cannot report on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect of something that it has not yet done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


    But all of its behavior comes into existance at once. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    So you disagree with sequence, selection and iteration? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Might as well say that you don't believe in arithmetic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as your rebuttal to 2 + 3 = 5.


    Why do you say that,

    The program executes in sequence, but the BEHAVIOR, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the execution REVEALS is instantaneously created by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> determinism.


    HHH must report on what it must do at a specific point in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the execution trace of its simulation of DDD.

    No

    HHH cannot report on the effect of what it would do before it >>>>>>>>>>> does this the same way that you cannot say that you don't need >>>>>>>>>>> groceries at the point in time that you would otherwise go to >>>>>>>>>>> the store to buy them.



    But it MUST, so you are just admitting that no such decider >>>>>>>>>> can exist.


    I am pointing out that you cannot correctly say that you don't >>>>>>>>> need groceries until AFTER you go to the store and buy them.

    Right, because I am a willful being, and thus until I do, I am >>>>>>>> not forced to do.


    Pretending that everything happens all at once does not overcome >>>>>>>>> this. Trying to get away with pretending that sequence of sequence >>>>>>>>> selection and iteration does not exist is foolish.

    Nope, because the program is deterministic, and thus all its
    future behavior has be fixed and determined, and thus established. >>>>>>>>

    (a) You determine that you need groceries
    (b) You report this need
    (c) then you go to the store to buy them

    (a) HHH determines that it needs to abort DDD
    (b) HHH reports this this need (as text before the action)
    (c) then HHH aborts DDD


    And I, being willful, am not FORCED to do that sequence.

    *It seems that you are simply too much of a liar*
    You can already have the groceries that you just ran out
    of before thinking that you need to go to the store or
    going to the store.



    Nope.


    *Your problem seems to be that you are too much of a liar*

    You go to the store and buy groceries
    then you lie and say that you need groceries
    then you see that you bought the wrong ones

    You say that you need groceries without checking.
    then you buy the wrong groceries because you did not check
    then you see that you bought the wrong ones



    Which is all just Red Herring, as I am not a program.


    You provided rhetoric instead of reasoning sufficiently
    proving that you are a liar.

    And I, being willful, am not FORCED to do that sequence.

    Meaning that you can already have the groceries before you
    went to the store to get them.


    Yes, I have will and can choose what I do.


    That this includes the logically impossible proves that
    your are a liar. I truly hope that this does not condemn
    you to Hell.

    And you know what I meant but chose to TWIST the words like you always do.

    YOU are the liar, and I fear it is too late for you and you mind to
    badly seared for you to see the light. You have braidwashed and
    Gas-light yourself into utter stupidity and can't manage a decient
    argument, but just claims that have no real backing, that you can't even explain.


    I was able to greatly improve the quality of my words by
    you always being stuck in rebuttal mode. That you are are
    stuck in rebuttal mode against the verified facts could get
    you condemned to Hell, yet only if you separately exist.


    I am "Stuck in Rebuttal Mode" as you are stuck in Liar mode (or at least
    total idiot mode).

    Your "verified facts" are not, but are just your unsupported claims and
    bald face lies, just like you "diagonalization" proof you claimed to
    have and then back down saying such proof are just nonsense.

    ALL Your "proofs" are just nonsense.

    You are just proving yourself to be an IGNORANT PATHETIC PATHOLOGICAL
    LYING IDIOT.

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