• Mouse battery warning

    From Connor Shannon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 14 16:04:26 2023
    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep using it while its charging but the mouse
    stops and I have to turn it over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did I miss something?

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Wed Nov 15 16:14:20 2023
    On 2023-11-15 00:04:26 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days
    or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the
    new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep
    using it while its charging but the mouse stops and I have to turn it
    over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did
    I miss something?

    The joys of stupid wireless rubbish. Just get a proper wired keyboard
    and wired mouse, and you won't have such issues.

    Even Apple's own troubleshooting guides often suggest plugging in a
    wired keyboard, but they no longer even make a proper one, let alone
    ship it with any Mac. :-(

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 15 12:22:57 2023
    Am 15.11.23 um 01:04 schrieb Connor Shannon:
    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep using it while its charging but the
    mouse stops and I have to turn it over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did I miss something?

    What kind of mouse and keyboard are you using?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 15 12:25:14 2023
    Am 15.11.23 um 12:22 schrieb Jörg Lorenz:
    Am 15.11.23 um 01:04 schrieb Connor Shannon:
    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep using it while its charging but the
    mouse stops and I have to turn it over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did I miss something?

    What kind of mouse and keyboard are you using?

    BTW: One klick on the BT-symbol in the menu-bar shows you the charging
    level of all attached wireless Apple-mice and Apple-keyboards and more accessories.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Your Name on Wed Nov 15 09:09:36 2023
    On 2023-11-14 22:14, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-15 00:04:26 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days
    or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now
    the new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can
    keep using it while its charging but the mouse stops and I have to
    turn it over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait
    for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder
    did I miss something?

    The joys of stupid wireless rubbish. Just get a proper wired keyboard
    and wired mouse, and you won't have such issues.

    Wireless KB & mouse (trackpad here) helps declutter my desks making it
    easier to shove them forward to make room if I need to use a notebad or journal.

    Even Apple's own troubleshooting guides often suggest plugging in a
    wired keyboard, but they no longer even make a proper one, let alone
    ship it with any Mac.  :-(

    Never had an issue firing up a new Mac with wireless input devices.

    Any generic wired keyboard will work if you're that much of a nervous nelly.


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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Wed Nov 15 09:06:17 2023
    On 2023-11-14 19:04, Connor Shannon wrote:
    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep using it while its charging but the
    mouse stops and I have to turn it over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did I miss something?

    When you click on the bluetooth setting does it show the battery level?

    That mouse design is a gas of stupidity.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Your Name on Wed Nov 15 09:30:59 2023
    On 2023-11-15 03:14:20 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2023-11-15 00:04:26 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days
    or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the
    new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep
    using it while its charging but the mouse stops and I have to turn it
    over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did
    I miss something?

    The joys of stupid wireless rubbish. Just get a proper wired keyboard
    and wired mouse, and you won't have such issues.

    Hear hear, I'm a dedicated M5769 mouse and A1242 keyboard man myself.
    Why complicate your life.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Nov 15 17:34:25 2023
    On 15.11.23 15:06, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-11-14 19:04, Connor Shannon wrote:
    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep using it while its charging but the
    mouse stops and I have to turn it over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did I miss something?

    When you click on the bluetooth setting does it show the battery level?

    That mouse design is a gas of stupidity.

    This time ist is you. I never had an issue.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Wed Nov 15 14:00:41 2023
    On 2023-11-15 11:34, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 15.11.23 15:06, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-11-14 19:04, Connor Shannon wrote:
    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep using it while its charging but the
    mouse stops and I have to turn it over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did I miss something?

    When you click on the bluetooth setting does it show the battery level?

    That mouse design is a gas of stupidity.

    This time ist is you. I never had an issue.

    Having the charging port on the bottom is abjectly bad design.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Thu Nov 16 09:31:33 2023
    On 2023-11-15 16:34:25 +0000, Joerg Lorenz said:

    On 15.11.23 15:06, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-11-14 19:04, Connor Shannon wrote:
    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days
    or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the
    new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep
    using it while its charging but the mouse stops and I have to turn it
    over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did
    I miss something?

    When you click on the bluetooth setting does it show the battery level?

    That mouse design is a gas of stupidity.

    This time ist is you. I never had an issue.

    What a non-surpise. The brainless moron troll has multiple posting names. :-\

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 16 09:29:37 2023
    On 2023-11-15 11:22:08 +0000, J�rg Lorenz said:

    Am 15.11.23 um 04:14 schrieb Your Name:
    On 2023-11-15 00:04:26 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days
    or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the
    new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep
    using it while its charging but the mouse stops and I have to turn it
    over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did
    I miss something?

    The joys of stupid wireless rubbish. Just get a proper wired keyboard
    and wired mouse, and you won't have such issues.

    You are the biggest and most ignorant idiot in the Usenet. Sorry.

    Another braindead moron added to the killfile.



    Even Apple's own troubleshooting guides often suggest plugging in a
    wired keyboard, but they no longer even make a proper one, let alone
    ship it with any Mac. :-(

    Unbelievable nonsense to say the least.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 15 21:38:28 2023
    Am 15.11.23 um 21:29 schrieb Your Name:
    On 2023-11-15 11:22:08 +0000, Jörg Lorenz said:

    Am 15.11.23 um 04:14 schrieb Your Name:
    On 2023-11-15 00:04:26 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for days
    or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low but now the >>>> new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the keyboard I can keep
    using it while its charging but the mouse stops and I have to turn it
    over and plug it in and I can't use the computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder did >>>> I miss something?

    The joys of stupid wireless rubbish. Just get a proper wired keyboard
    and wired mouse, and you won't have such issues.

    You are the biggest and most ignorant idiot in the Usenet. Sorry.

    Another braindead moron added to the killfile.

    Thank you.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Nov 15 21:33:34 2023
    On 2023-11-15, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-11-15 11:34, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
    On 15.11.23 15:06, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-11-14 19:04, Connor Shannon wrote:
    Hi I got a new iMac a while ago and the old one would bug me for
    days or weeks when the mouse or keyboard battery was getting low
    but now the new one doesn't warn me at all! At least with the
    keyboard I can keep using it while its charging but the mouse stops
    and I have to turn it over and plug it in and I can't use the
    computer while I wait for it.

    I looked in settings but couldn't find any place to make a reminder
    did I miss something?

    When you click on the bluetooth setting does it show the battery
    level?

    That mouse design is a gas of stupidity.

    This time ist is you. I never had an issue.

    Having the charging port on the bottom is abjectly bad design.

    It's definitely an example of asshole design. Whoever was in charge of
    that design decided that it should actively prevent users from using the
    device while connected to power. Wasn't Jony Ives heading up design at
    the time?

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  • From Connor Shannon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 15 15:10:38 2023
    its the keyboard and mouse that came with the iMac, I think they're called "magic".

    No I'm not going back to a keyboard and mouse with cables!!

    I don't understand why they didn't put the connector on the end of the mouse away from your arm so you could still use it when it's connected.

    Yes of course I can look at the battery level in the menu I was just hoping there was a way to set a warning b'cuz I keep forgetting to do that. So there isn't? I guess I could make a reminder alert every couple weeks or something...

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  • From Alrescha@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed Nov 15 23:40:22 2023
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:

    It's definitely an example of asshole design. Whoever was in charge of
    that design decided that it should actively prevent users from using the device while connected to power. Wasn't Jony Ives heading up design at
    the time?

    Or they took a perfectly good battery-based mouse design and retrofitted a rechargeable battery into it, leaving everything else pretty much
    unchanged.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Thu Nov 16 00:10:05 2023
    On 2023-11-15, Connor Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
    its the keyboard and mouse that came with the iMac, I think they're
    called "magic".

    No I'm not going back to a keyboard and mouse with cables!!

    I don't understand why they didn't put the connector on the end of the
    mouse away from your arm so you could still use it when it's
    connected.

    Because Jony Ive had a huge stick up his ass and wanted to design it in
    such a way that users absolutely could not use it while plugged in. It's asshole design. Jony won't be missed by many Apple users, I can tell you
    that.

    Yes of course I can look at the battery level in the menu I was just
    hoping there was a way to set a warning b'cuz I keep forgetting to do
    that. So there isn't? I guess I could make a reminder alert every
    couple weeks or something...

    I haven't used the Magic Mouse in a while, but I do use the Magic
    Keyboard daily, and I'm pretty sure I have seen notifications stating
    the battery is low when I let it drain to almost empty. I'd be surprised
    if that's not the case for the Magic Mouse as well. Also, I recall that
    the Magic Mouse lasts like a couple months on a single charge and
    actually charges very quickly. So once you do get that notification, a
    quick charge of only 5 minutes or so give you enough juice to continue
    using it for the rest of your day. Then you can just plug it in to
    finish charging up overnight.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alrescha on Thu Nov 16 00:13:05 2023
    On 2023-11-15, Alrescha <[email protected]> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:

    It's definitely an example of asshole design. Whoever was in charge
    of that design decided that it should actively prevent users from
    using the device while connected to power. Wasn't Jony Ives heading
    up design at the time?

    Or they took a perfectly good battery-based mouse design and
    retrofitted a rechargeable battery into it, leaving everything else
    pretty much unchanged.

    No. It's completely redesigned from its predecessor. I own both. The
    Magic Mouse 2 runs for months on a single charge, while I typically got
    only a week or two out of the Magic Mouse 1 before needing to exchange
    the batteries. It's also way more functional with the trackpad surface
    than the older model with the scroll ball on top. It's a great mouse
    generally except that some asshole at Apple decided nobody should be
    able to use it while connected to a cable.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed Nov 15 20:13:09 2023
    On 2023-11-15 16:33, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-15, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

    Having the charging port on the bottom is abjectly bad design.

    It's definitely an example of asshole design. Whoever was in charge of
    that design decided that it should actively prevent users from using the device while connected to power. Wasn't Jony Ives heading up design at
    the time?

    Probably.

    But ... not like they haven't had time to fix it - IAC I've never liked
    any Apple mouse - but that's me - and generally I prefer trackpads.

    When I ordered this iMac (M3) I was delighted that I could forego the
    mouse and upgrade to the trackpad for CAD$30. (And keyboard to numeric
    for similar shekel shock).

    I still have recurring dreams of a nice trackball I used to have...

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Wed Nov 15 20:15:18 2023
    On 2023-11-15 18:10, Connor Shannon wrote:
    its the keyboard and mouse that came with the iMac, I think they're called "magic".

    No I'm not going back to a keyboard and mouse with cables!!

    I don't understand why they didn't put the connector on the end of the mouse away from your arm so you could still use it when it's connected.

    A design fault that they still haven't recovered from. Still shipping
    stupid.

    Yes of course I can look at the battery level in the menu I was just hoping there was a way to set a warning b'cuz I keep forgetting to do that. So there isn't? I guess I could make a reminder alert every couple weeks or something...

    Strange. On my Macs I definitely get low battery warnings for all BT
    devices whether rechargeable in device or replaceable (AA) batts
    (rechargeable or alkaline).


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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alrescha on Wed Nov 15 20:17:11 2023
    On 2023-11-15 18:40, Alrescha wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:

    It's definitely an example of asshole design. Whoever was in charge of
    that design decided that it should actively prevent users from using the
    device while connected to power. Wasn't Jony Ives heading up design at
    the time?

    Or they took a perfectly good battery-based mouse design and retrofitted a rechargeable battery into it, leaving everything else pretty much
    unchanged.

    Fine - make it re-chargeable - but since it will need a charge on Friday afternoon, 48 minutes before the proposal needs to be shipped, put the
    f-ing charge port where one can continue working ...


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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu Nov 16 03:31:49 2023
    On 2023-11-16, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-11-15 16:33, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-15, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

    Having the charging port on the bottom is abjectly bad design.

    It's definitely an example of asshole design. Whoever was in charge
    of that design decided that it should actively prevent users from
    using the device while connected to power. Wasn't Jony Ives heading
    up design at the time?

    Probably.

    But ... not like they haven't had time to fix it - IAC I've never
    liked any Apple mouse - but that's me - and generally I prefer
    trackpads.

    Personally, I like the touch surface on top of the Mighty Mouse. It
    makes it a mouse and trackpad of sorts. But to each, their own. And I do
    much prefer Apple's track pads over any mouse, except in some limited circumstances.

    When I ordered this iMac (M3) I was delighted that I could forego the
    mouse and upgrade to the trackpad for CAD$30. (And keyboard to numeric
    for similar shekel shock).

    That's all I ever do anymore. Worth it.

    I still have recurring dreams of a nice trackball I used to have...

    Now that I never really got into...

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Thu Nov 16 18:45:23 2023
    On 2023-11-15 23:10:38 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    its the keyboard and mouse that came with the iMac, I think they're
    called "magic".

    No I'm not going back to a keyboard and mouse with cables!!

    I don't understand why they didn't put the connector on the end of the
    mouse away from your arm so you could still use it when it's connected.

    Yes of course I can look at the battery level in the menu I was just
    hoping there was a way to set a warning b'cuz I keep forgetting to do
    that. So there isn't? I guess I could make a reminder alert every
    couple weeks or something...

    Some people have fitted a wireless charging battery into the Magic
    Mouse so that it can be continually charged by using a wired charging
    mouse mat.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Thu Nov 16 18:43:33 2023
    On 2023-11-15 23:10:38 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    its the keyboard and mouse that came with the iMac, I think they're
    called "magic".

    No I'm not going back to a keyboard and mouse with cables!!

    I don't understand why they didn't put the connector on the end of the
    mouse away from your arm so you could still use it when it's connected.

    Because then the case doesn't look as good. The port was put underneath
    so that you don't see it in normal usage ... one of Apple's many silly
    "design over function" decisions over the last few years (especially
    after Johnny Ive joined the team and since quit). :-(



    Yes of course I can look at the battery level in the menu I was just
    hoping there was a way to set a warning b'cuz I keep forgetting to do
    that. So there isn't? I guess I could make a reminder alert every
    couple weeks or something...

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  • From Connor Shannon@21:1/5 to Your Name on Wed Nov 15 22:37:57 2023
    On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 9:43:39 PM UTC-8, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-15 23:10:38 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    I don't understand why they didn't put the connector on the end of the mouse away from your arm so you could still use it when it's connected.
    Because then the case doesn't look as good. The port was put underneath
    so that you don't see it in normal usage ...


    Huh??? Who told you that?? I think you heard them wrong or they were pulling your leg. If the hole was at the other end of the mouse like I said you wouldn't "see it in normal usage" and it would be perfect for connecting the cable!

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Thu Nov 16 08:13:46 2023
    On 2023-11-15 22:31, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-16, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-11-15 16:33, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-15, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

    Having the charging port on the bottom is abjectly bad design.

    It's definitely an example of asshole design. Whoever was in charge
    of that design decided that it should actively prevent users from
    using the device while connected to power. Wasn't Jony Ives heading
    up design at the time?

    Probably.

    But ... not like they haven't had time to fix it - IAC I've never
    liked any Apple mouse - but that's me - and generally I prefer
    trackpads.

    Personally, I like the touch surface on top of the Mighty Mouse. It
    makes it a mouse and trackpad of sorts. But to each, their own. And I do
    much prefer Apple's track pads over any mouse, except in some limited circumstances.

    When I ordered this iMac (M3) I was delighted that I could forego the
    mouse and upgrade to the trackpad for CAD$30. (And keyboard to numeric
    for similar shekel shock).

    That's all I ever do anymore. Worth it.

    I still have recurring dreams of a nice trackball I used to have...

    Now that I never really got into...

    It was actually a Logitech thumb ball - so fingers drove the buttons and
    the thumb drove the ball. It had a lot of inertia so felt great and
    pointing was super natural. There were no trackpads (at low prices
    anyway) then, and so such meant no "maneuvering space" needed to be
    reserved on ones desk. Had that for years at work.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Thu Nov 16 13:09:27 2023
    In article <eAo5N.44509$[email protected]>,
    Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2023-11-15 22:31, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-16, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-11-15 16:33, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-15, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:

    Having the charging port on the bottom is abjectly bad design.

    It's definitely an example of asshole design. Whoever was in charge
    of that design decided that it should actively prevent users from
    using the device while connected to power. Wasn't Jony Ives heading
    up design at the time?

    Probably.

    But ... not like they haven't had time to fix it - IAC I've never
    liked any Apple mouse - but that's me - and generally I prefer
    trackpads.

    Personally, I like the touch surface on top of the Mighty Mouse. It
    makes it a mouse and trackpad of sorts. But to each, their own. And I do much prefer Apple's track pads over any mouse, except in some limited circumstances.

    When I ordered this iMac (M3) I was delighted that I could forego the
    mouse and upgrade to the trackpad for CAD$30. (And keyboard to numeric
    for similar shekel shock).

    That's all I ever do anymore. Worth it.

    I still have recurring dreams of a nice trackball I used to have...

    Now that I never really got into...

    It was actually a Logitech thumb ball - so fingers drove the buttons and
    the thumb drove the ball. It had a lot of inertia so felt great and
    pointing was super natural. There were no trackpads (at low prices
    anyway) then, and so such meant no "maneuvering space" needed to be
    reserved on ones desk. Had that for years at work.

    How much (or how less) "maneuvering space" do people need anyway, I use
    one of those "ePad" mouse pads you can buy at discount stores with all
    my computers that's 9 inches wide by 10 inches deep (including a wrist
    rest). Also keeps the mouse bottom much cleaner than those old hard
    surface "Apple logo" mouse pads I used for several years before I said
    the hell with the logo.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Fri Nov 17 10:14:22 2023
    On 2023-11-16 06:37:57 +0000, Connor Shannon said:
    On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 9:43:39 PM UTC-8, Your Name wrote:
    On 2023-11-15 23:10:38 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    I don't understand why they didn't put the connector on the end of the
    mouse away from your arm so you could still use it when it's connected.

    Because then the case doesn't look as good. The port was put
    underneath> so that you don't see it in normal usage ...

    Huh??? Who told you that?? I think you heard them wrong or they were
    pulling your leg. If the hole was at the other end of the mouse like I
    said you wouldn't "see it in normal usage" and it would be perfect for connecting the cable!

    Yes, but Johny "form over function" Ive would know there is an ugly
    socket on the end of the mouse, so such a design would never be
    allowed, and the same basic mouse design has simply been carried
    forward.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 18:13:42 2023
    On 2023-11-16 14:09, super70s wrote:
    In article <eAo5N.44509$[email protected]>,
    Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:


    It was actually a Logitech thumb ball - so fingers drove the buttons and
    the thumb drove the ball. It had a lot of inertia so felt great and
    pointing was super natural. There were no trackpads (at low prices
    anyway) then, and so such meant no "maneuvering space" needed to be
    reserved on ones desk. Had that for years at work.

    How much (or how less) "maneuvering space" do people need anyway, I use
    one of those "ePad" mouse pads you can buy at discount stores with all
    my computers that's 9 inches wide by 10 inches deep (including a wrist
    rest).

    The entire trackball widget laid under my hand.

    This is exactly the one I had (see the PS/2 style connector! sheesh!): "Logitech Trackman Marble" https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KoYAAOSwCxZkEh7y/s-l1600.jpg

    It all stayed in one place, the cable never moved and it was a nice
    setup - comfortable and better than any mouse at the time. So is a
    trackpad - even if it were wired, at least the wire would stay put.
    Wireless it's even better (likewise keyboard).

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Nov 17 18:47:56 2023
    On 2023-11-17 18:25, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-17, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-11-16 14:09, super70s wrote:
    In article <eAo5N.44509$[email protected]>,
    Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:


    It was actually a Logitech thumb ball - so fingers drove the buttons and >>>> the thumb drove the ball. It had a lot of inertia so felt great and
    pointing was super natural. There were no trackpads (at low prices
    anyway) then, and so such meant no "maneuvering space" needed to be
    reserved on ones desk. Had that for years at work.

    How much (or how less) "maneuvering space" do people need anyway, I use
    one of those "ePad" mouse pads you can buy at discount stores with all
    my computers that's 9 inches wide by 10 inches deep (including a wrist
    rest).

    The entire trackball widget laid under my hand.

    This is exactly the one I had (see the PS/2 style connector! sheesh!):
    "Logitech Trackman Marble"
    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KoYAAOSwCxZkEh7y/s-l1600.jpg

    It all stayed in one place, the cable never moved and it was a nice
    setup - comfortable and better than any mouse at the time. So is a
    trackpad - even if it were wired, at least the wire would stay put.
    Wireless it's even better (likewise keyboard).

    I've only ever heard them called "trackballs". I've used the model in
    the photo above a few times, along with a few others. I never really
    liked any of them though. To each his own, and I'll stick with y Magic Trackpad. 🙂

    Definitely what I've been using at home for the last 13 years (just
    looked it up). At work I have a generic mouse connected to the Mini
    with a wired Apple numeric keyboard (that will need to be replaced -
    some keys are sketchy - it's from 2008)

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Fri Nov 17 23:25:36 2023
    On 2023-11-17, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2023-11-16 14:09, super70s wrote:
    In article <eAo5N.44509$[email protected]>,
    Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:


    It was actually a Logitech thumb ball - so fingers drove the buttons and >>> the thumb drove the ball. It had a lot of inertia so felt great and
    pointing was super natural. There were no trackpads (at low prices
    anyway) then, and so such meant no "maneuvering space" needed to be
    reserved on ones desk. Had that for years at work.

    How much (or how less) "maneuvering space" do people need anyway, I use
    one of those "ePad" mouse pads you can buy at discount stores with all
    my computers that's 9 inches wide by 10 inches deep (including a wrist
    rest).

    The entire trackball widget laid under my hand.

    This is exactly the one I had (see the PS/2 style connector! sheesh!): "Logitech Trackman Marble" https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KoYAAOSwCxZkEh7y/s-l1600.jpg

    It all stayed in one place, the cable never moved and it was a nice
    setup - comfortable and better than any mouse at the time. So is a
    trackpad - even if it were wired, at least the wire would stay put.
    Wireless it's even better (likewise keyboard).

    I've only ever heard them called "trackballs". I've used the model in
    the photo above a few times, along with a few others. I never really
    liked any of them though. To each his own, and I'll stick with y Magic Trackpad. 🙂

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    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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