• history of OS "popularity" over time, video graphic

    From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 10 16:47:10 2023
    XPost: comp.os.linux

    https://youtu.be/B7fVOW-zNQI

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  • From Fishrrman@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Sep 10 19:40:31 2023
    On 9/10/23 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

    https://youtu.be/B7fVOW-zNQI

    Looks like with the past 3 years or so, Mac OS has enjoyed
    it greatest popularity ever.

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  • From Georgemoody@21:1/5 to Fishrrman on Mon Sep 11 21:16:39 2023
    On 1402-06-19 23:40:31 +0000, Fishrrman said:

    On 9/10/23 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

    https://youtu.be/B7fVOW-zNQI

    Looks like with the past 3 years or so, Mac OS has enjoyed it greatest popularity ever.

    Good to see it honestly, windows has been way too dominent, especially
    in the gaming scene. wish linux and macOS could chip even more at their
    market share.
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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Georgemoody on Mon Sep 11 14:37:45 2023
    XPost: comp.os.linux

    On 2023-09-11 13:46, Georgemoody wrote:

    Good to see it honestly, windows has been way too dominent, especially
    in the gaming scene. wish linux and macOS could chip even more at their market share.

    Anything to thin the world of Windows is a good thing, but they are very
    well entrenched, esp. in business.

    As to gaming on Linux, there are compatibility products (one is Valve's
    Proton) - but I really know very little about it.

    On Mac OS, esp. in the Mx world, Apple are making strong signals to get
    game co's onboard for both native apps and to provide conversion (if
    that's the right term) tools for it. (Again, not my area of interest). Article: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/7/23752164/apple-mac-gaming-game-porting-toolkit-windows-games-macos

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Sep 11 11:52:48 2023
    XPost: comp.os.linux

    On 2023-09-11 11:29, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 19:40, Fishrrman wrote:
    On 9/10/23 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

    https://youtu.be/B7fVOW-zNQI

    Looks like with the past 3 years or so, Mac OS has enjoyed it greatest
    popularity ever.

    A big surge for Mac OS (then OS X) was around the years where they moved
    to the x66 coupled to the iPhone intro, aka halo effect.

    This might not show well in the video above, but in terms of raw sales
    it certainly picked up.  In % terms they went from 2.5% to 5% over 5
    years, but in numbers terms it was somewhat more than 2X as many units.

    Personally dumped Windows for Mac in late 2007 as the Windows options
    for a new machine were dismally bad.
    Experiments with Linux over the course of a month or so were not
    encouraging (due to apps, not the OS, simply unworkable in my
    professional space).


    Exactly.

    The surge was the introduction of Windows 8 and Windows 10, which were
    both so different from what came before that a lot of people said "Why
    not try macOS?"

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Fishrrman on Mon Sep 11 14:29:20 2023
    XPost: comp.os.linux

    On 2023-09-10 19:40, Fishrrman wrote:
    On 9/10/23 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

    https://youtu.be/B7fVOW-zNQI

    Looks like with the past 3 years or so, Mac OS has enjoyed it greatest popularity ever.

    A big surge for Mac OS (then OS X) was around the years where they moved
    to the x66 coupled to the iPhone intro, aka halo effect.

    This might not show well in the video above, but in terms of raw sales
    it certainly picked up. In % terms they went from 2.5% to 5% over 5
    years, but in numbers terms it was somewhat more than 2X as many units.

    Personally dumped Windows for Mac in late 2007 as the Windows options
    for a new machine were dismally bad.
    Experiments with Linux over the course of a month or so were not
    encouraging (due to apps, not the OS, simply unworkable in my
    professional space).

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Sep 11 15:24:48 2023
    XPost: comp.os.linux

    On 2023-09-11 14:52, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 11:29, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 19:40, Fishrrman wrote:
    On 9/10/23 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

    https://youtu.be/B7fVOW-zNQI

    Looks like with the past 3 years or so, Mac OS has enjoyed it
    greatest popularity ever.

    A big surge for Mac OS (then OS X) was around the years where they
    moved to the x66 coupled to the iPhone intro, aka halo effect.

    This might not show well in the video above, but in terms of raw sales
    it certainly picked up.  In % terms they went from 2.5% to 5% over 5
    years, but in numbers terms it was somewhat more than 2X as many units.

    Personally dumped Windows for Mac in late 2007 as the Windows options
    for a new machine were dismally bad.
    Experiments with Linux over the course of a month or so were not
    encouraging (due to apps, not the OS, simply unworkable in my
    professional space).


    Exactly.

    The surge was the introduction of Windows 8 and Windows 10, which were
    both so different from what came before that a lot of people said "Why
    not try macOS?"

    I don't care about changes to the OS per se[1].

    The issue was with Windows Vista which was introduced in 2007 a lot of
    hardware (esp. new h/w like in the new PC's I was looking at)
    unsupported by drivers and/or poorly implemented.

    Phoned up the local Apple store in the morning to see if they had a
    specific config. in stock. They did. Picked it up over lunch.

    They even delivered it to me by the back door (at a mall) so I wouldn't
    have to lug it around.

    [1] Having said that, most Windows "changes" are cosmetic and deck chair shuffling w/o really improving the OS at all.... (Run Win 10 at work for accounting, regrettably).

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Sep 11 12:55:02 2023
    XPost: comp.os.linux

    On 2023-09-11 12:24, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 14:52, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 11:29, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 19:40, Fishrrman wrote:
    On 9/10/23 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

    https://youtu.be/B7fVOW-zNQI

    Looks like with the past 3 years or so, Mac OS has enjoyed it
    greatest popularity ever.

    A big surge for Mac OS (then OS X) was around the years where they
    moved to the x66 coupled to the iPhone intro, aka halo effect.

    This might not show well in the video above, but in terms of raw
    sales it certainly picked up.  In % terms they went from 2.5% to 5%
    over 5 years, but in numbers terms it was somewhat more than 2X as
    many units.

    Personally dumped Windows for Mac in late 2007 as the Windows options
    for a new machine were dismally bad.
    Experiments with Linux over the course of a month or so were not
    encouraging (due to apps, not the OS, simply unworkable in my
    professional space).


    Exactly.

    The surge was the introduction of Windows 8 and Windows 10, which were
    both so different from what came before that a lot of people said "Why
    not try macOS?"

    I don't care about changes to the OS per se[1].

    The issue was with Windows Vista which was introduced in 2007 a lot of hardware (esp. new h/w like in the new PC's I was looking at)
    unsupported by drivers and/or poorly implemented.

    Phoned up the local Apple store in the morning to see if they had a
    specific config. in stock.  They did.  Picked it up over lunch.

    They even delivered it to me by the back door (at a mall) so I wouldn't
    have to lug it around.

    [1] Having said that, most Windows "changes" are cosmetic and deck chair shuffling w/o really improving the OS at all.... (Run Win 10 at work for accounting, regrettably).


    I'll respectfully disagree. OS UI matters almost more than anything to
    people.

    Microsoft decided that "one UI for everything" was a good idea, and it alienated a lot of users. They were suddenly struggling to use the OS.

    Case in point, my aunt, aged about 70 at the time, struck out on her own
    to buy her second computer when her original second hand XP system
    needed replacement.

    She went to the big box stores, and she was confronted by computers
    running Windows 8, and basically immediately called me to say she'd like
    to try a Mac because of it; if it was all going to be such a change.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Sep 11 14:09:02 2023
    XPost: comp.os.linux

    On 2023-09-11 14:01, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 15:55, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 12:24, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 14:52, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 11:29, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 19:40, Fishrrman wrote:
    On 9/10/23 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

    https://youtu.be/B7fVOW-zNQI

    Looks like with the past 3 years or so, Mac OS has enjoyed it
    greatest popularity ever.

    A big surge for Mac OS (then OS X) was around the years where they
    moved to the x66 coupled to the iPhone intro, aka halo effect.

    This might not show well in the video above, but in terms of raw
    sales it certainly picked up.  In % terms they went from 2.5% to 5% >>>>> over 5 years, but in numbers terms it was somewhat more than 2X as
    many units.

    Personally dumped Windows for Mac in late 2007 as the Windows
    options for a new machine were dismally bad.
    Experiments with Linux over the course of a month or so were not
    encouraging (due to apps, not the OS, simply unworkable in my
    professional space).


    Exactly.

    The surge was the introduction of Windows 8 and Windows 10, which
    were both so different from what came before that a lot of people
    said "Why not try macOS?"

    I don't care about changes to the OS per se[1].

    The issue was with Windows Vista which was introduced in 2007 a lot
    of hardware (esp. new h/w like in the new PC's I was looking at)
    unsupported by drivers and/or poorly implemented.

    Phoned up the local Apple store in the morning to see if they had a
    specific config. in stock.  They did.  Picked it up over lunch.

    They even delivered it to me by the back door (at a mall) so I
    wouldn't have to lug it around.

    [1] Having said that, most Windows "changes" are cosmetic and deck
    chair shuffling w/o really improving the OS at all.... (Run Win 10 at
    work for accounting, regrettably).


    I'll respectfully disagree. OS UI matters almost more than anything to
    people.

    "Most" people don't care.  Their whole computer world is through their browser.  The OS UI doesn't matter much at all.

    I'm sorry, but you're wrong about that.

    My job is supporting all kinds of people, and:

    1. It is far from all in the browser.

    2. They ARE very concerned when the UI changes drastically.

    Think of the outcry when Apple change the UI for Mac OS X.



    Microsoft decided that "one UI for everything" was a good idea, and it
    alienated a lot of users. They were suddenly struggling to use the OS.

    Case in point, my aunt, aged about 70 at the time, struck out on her
    own to buy her second computer when her original second hand XP system
    needed replacement.

    She went to the big box stores, and she was confronted by computers
    running Windows 8, and basically immediately called me to say she'd
    like to try a Mac because of it; if it was all going to be such a change.

    What the hell was it that stats 101 instructor kept mumbling about
    sample size ...

    I didn't present it as proof, but merely as a concrete example of what
    I'm talking about.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Sep 11 17:01:31 2023
    XPost: comp.os.linux

    On 2023-09-11 15:55, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 12:24, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 14:52, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 11:29, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 19:40, Fishrrman wrote:
    On 9/10/23 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

    https://youtu.be/B7fVOW-zNQI

    Looks like with the past 3 years or so, Mac OS has enjoyed it
    greatest popularity ever.

    A big surge for Mac OS (then OS X) was around the years where they
    moved to the x66 coupled to the iPhone intro, aka halo effect.

    This might not show well in the video above, but in terms of raw
    sales it certainly picked up.  In % terms they went from 2.5% to 5%
    over 5 years, but in numbers terms it was somewhat more than 2X as
    many units.

    Personally dumped Windows for Mac in late 2007 as the Windows
    options for a new machine were dismally bad.
    Experiments with Linux over the course of a month or so were not
    encouraging (due to apps, not the OS, simply unworkable in my
    professional space).


    Exactly.

    The surge was the introduction of Windows 8 and Windows 10, which
    were both so different from what came before that a lot of people
    said "Why not try macOS?"

    I don't care about changes to the OS per se[1].

    The issue was with Windows Vista which was introduced in 2007 a lot of
    hardware (esp. new h/w like in the new PC's I was looking at)
    unsupported by drivers and/or poorly implemented.

    Phoned up the local Apple store in the morning to see if they had a
    specific config. in stock.  They did.  Picked it up over lunch.

    They even delivered it to me by the back door (at a mall) so I
    wouldn't have to lug it around.

    [1] Having said that, most Windows "changes" are cosmetic and deck
    chair shuffling w/o really improving the OS at all.... (Run Win 10 at
    work for accounting, regrettably).


    I'll respectfully disagree. OS UI matters almost more than anything to people.

    "Most" people don't care. Their whole computer world is through their
    browser. The OS UI doesn't matter much at all.


    Microsoft decided that "one UI for everything" was a good idea, and it alienated a lot of users. They were suddenly struggling to use the OS.

    Case in point, my aunt, aged about 70 at the time, struck out on her own
    to buy her second computer when her original second hand XP system
    needed replacement.

    She went to the big box stores, and she was confronted by computers
    running Windows 8, and basically immediately called me to say she'd like
    to try a Mac because of it; if it was all going to be such a change.

    What the hell was it that stats 101 instructor kept mumbling about
    sample size ...

    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Sep 11 17:35:50 2023
    XPost: comp.os.linux

    On 2023-09-11 17:09, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 14:01, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 15:55, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 12:24, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 14:52, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-11 11:29, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 19:40, Fishrrman wrote:
    On 9/10/23 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

    https://youtu.be/B7fVOW-zNQI

    Looks like with the past 3 years or so, Mac OS has enjoyed it
    greatest popularity ever.

    A big surge for Mac OS (then OS X) was around the years where they >>>>>> moved to the x66 coupled to the iPhone intro, aka halo effect.

    This might not show well in the video above, but in terms of raw
    sales it certainly picked up.  In % terms they went from 2.5% to
    5% over 5 years, but in numbers terms it was somewhat more than 2X >>>>>> as many units.

    Personally dumped Windows for Mac in late 2007 as the Windows
    options for a new machine were dismally bad.
    Experiments with Linux over the course of a month or so were not
    encouraging (due to apps, not the OS, simply unworkable in my
    professional space).


    Exactly.

    The surge was the introduction of Windows 8 and Windows 10, which
    were both so different from what came before that a lot of people
    said "Why not try macOS?"

    I don't care about changes to the OS per se[1].

    The issue was with Windows Vista which was introduced in 2007 a lot
    of hardware (esp. new h/w like in the new PC's I was looking at)
    unsupported by drivers and/or poorly implemented.

    Phoned up the local Apple store in the morning to see if they had a
    specific config. in stock.  They did.  Picked it up over lunch.

    They even delivered it to me by the back door (at a mall) so I
    wouldn't have to lug it around.

    [1] Having said that, most Windows "changes" are cosmetic and deck
    chair shuffling w/o really improving the OS at all.... (Run Win 10
    at work for accounting, regrettably).


    I'll respectfully disagree. OS UI matters almost more than anything
    to people.

    "Most" people don't care.  Their whole computer world is through their
    browser.  The OS UI doesn't matter much at all.

    I'm sorry, but you're wrong about that.

    My job is supporting all kinds of people, and:

    1. It is far from all in the browser.

    For home casual use, it mostly is. Because people are on social medial (primarily) or other hosted (web) "applications".

    IAC few home users (and office users) spend a lot of time with the OS
    UI. They are in an app (whether on that computer or web hosted).


    2. They ARE very concerned when the UI changes drastically.


    People who use computers don't do their work in the OS desktop much. It
    is either in a purpose app (Excel, Word, accounting, custom, etc.).
    They may need to access files using Finder (or other OS equivalnets),
    but a UI change isn't going to make that all that difficult.

    I have to train employees and customers - sometimes people who don't use computers very much. Never have much issue with such - other than
    folder navigation - but that's the same problem no matter what OS is
    being used (thus: low experience users tend to keep everything in one
    folder and are lousy at coming up with file names).


    Think of the outcry when Apple change the UI for Mac OS X.

    Dinosaurs screaming get noticed. Others cool with it don't get noticed.




    Microsoft decided that "one UI for everything" was a good idea, and
    it alienated a lot of users. They were suddenly struggling to use the
    OS.

    Case in point, my aunt, aged about 70 at the time, struck out on her
    own to buy her second computer when her original second hand XP
    system needed replacement.

    She went to the big box stores, and she was confronted by computers
    running Windows 8, and basically immediately called me to say she'd
    like to try a Mac because of it; if it was all going to be such a
    change.

    What the hell was it that stats 101 instructor kept mumbling about
    sample size ...

    I didn't present it as proof, but merely as a RAAC example of what
    I'm talking about.

    FTFY.


    --
    “If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
    -Ronald Coase

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  • From Gabriel Coan@21:1/5 to Georgemoody on Wed Sep 20 20:28:31 2023
    On 9/11/23 1:46 PM, Georgemoody wrote:
    Good to see it honestly, windows has been way too dominent, especially
    in the gaming scene. wish linux and macOS could chip even more at their market share.
    The especially scary thing about games specifically is Microsoft's
    recent acquisition spree. Not only do they have a monopoly on the OS
    market, they're going for one in the games market too.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Gabriel Coan on Thu Sep 21 18:36:47 2023
    On 2023-09-21 00:28:31 +0000, Gabriel Coan said:
    On 9/11/23 1:46 PM, Georgemoody wrote:

    Good to see it honestly, windows has been way too dominent, especially
    in the gaming scene. wish linux and macOS could chip even more at their
    market share.

    The especially scary thing about games specifically is Microsoft's
    recent acquisition spree. Not only do they have a monopoly on the OS
    market, they're going for one in the games market too.

    There are reports that Microsoft recently considered buying up Nintendo
    or Valve. <https://kotaku.com/microsoft-buy-nintendo-net-worth-valve-steam-email-1850852461>

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