On 2022-10-27, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:
I noticed that Ventura was available in the "About This Mac" menu item on
my M1 Mini, so I downloaded it. The only glitch, so far, was that my Time
Machine disk wasn't recognized. So I unplugged it and plugged it in
again. That worked.
I haven't explored much further.
Love it so far. Haven't tried Stage Manager yet.
I noticed that Ventura was available in the "About This Mac" menu item on
my M1 Mini, so I downloaded it. The only glitch, so far, was that my Time Machine disk wasn't recognized. So I unplugged it and plugged it in
again. That worked.
I haven't explored much further.
On Oct 27, 2022 at 2:08:58 PM MST, "johnson" wrote <KrC6L.1168811$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:
I noticed that Ventura was available in the "About This Mac" menu item on >>> my M1 Mini, so I downloaded it. The only glitch, so far, was that my Time >>> Machine disk wasn't recognized. So I unplugged it and plugged it in
again. That worked.
I haven't explored much further.
Love it so far. Haven't tried Stage Manager yet.
Stage manager takes getting used to. I have it on just to see if I will like it... so far not so much.
This is good info on its use and settings:
https://youtu.be/dbndfDB6EEA
On 2022-10-27 21:14:18 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 2:08:58 PM MST, "johnson" wrote
<KrC6L.1168811$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:
I noticed that Ventura was available in the "About This Mac" menu item on >>>> my M1 Mini, so I downloaded it. The only glitch, so far, was that my Time >>>> Machine disk wasn't recognized. So I unplugged it and plugged it in
again. That worked.
I haven't explored much further.
Love it so far. Haven't tried Stage Manager yet.
Stage manager takes getting used to. I have it on just to see if I will like >> it... so far not so much.
This is good info on its use and settings:
https://youtu.be/dbndfDB6EEA
Looks like just yet another useless gimmick (just use the friggin'
Dock, that's what it's there for!)
... at the expense of not fixing all
the existing bugs, some of which date waht back to the first version of
MacOS X. :-(
On Oct 27, 2022 at 8:22:43 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote <tjfhu2$59p$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27 21:14:18 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 2:08:58 PM MST, "johnson" wrote
<KrC6L.1168811$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:
I noticed that Ventura was available in the "About This Mac" menu item >>>>> on my M1 Mini, so I downloaded it. The only glitch, so far, was that my >>>>> Time Machine disk wasn't recognized. So I unplugged it and plugged it >>>>> in again. That worked. I haven't explored much further.
Love it so far. Haven't tried Stage Manager yet.
Stage manager takes getting used to. I have it on just to see if I will
like it... so far not so much.
This is good info on its use and settings:
https://youtu.be/dbndfDB6EEA
Looks like just yet another useless gimmick (just use the friggin'
Dock, that's what it's there for!)
It works diffetenrtly than the dock. It is closer to Spaces but is not the same as that, either.
I have been using it and while I am not in love, in some ways I like it better
than Spaces. I like the metaphor of one desktop with window groups coming and going instead of multiple desktops with things always being the same on them. In my mind makes it so the documents are moving and doing the work and not me having to move from desktop to desktop.
Really not a big deal either way, but you can also use them together (which admittedly might be a bit much).
Using Spaces, hiding, Stage Manager, minimizing, and multiple real desktops I think would be too much -- and I can see where you see that is being gimmicky.
I can also see where some users would be overwhelmed by the choices... who knew macOS would get to the point of having overwhelming choices?
... at the expense of not fixing all the existing bugs, some of which
date way back to the first version of MacOS X. :-(
What ones are you thinking of?
And Stage Manager adds some new ones -- or at least implementation
features I do not like. My current pet peeve: if I am watching a video
and I get a call, the video goes away into an "App Stack" or whatever
they are called (should be window stack, but that is a different nit)
and the phone pops up. Not easy to turn off the damn video before I get
the call. Not even the pause button on the keyboard does it. That is
stupid.
On 2022-10-27, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:
I noticed that Ventura was available in the "About This Mac" menu item on
my M1 Mini, so I downloaded it. The only glitch, so far, was that my Time
Machine disk wasn't recognized. So I unplugged it and plugged it in
again. That worked.
I haven't explored much further.
Love it so far. Haven't tried Stage Manager yet.
On 2022-10-28 03:57:30 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 8:22:43 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote
<tjfhu2$59p$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27 21:14:18 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 2:08:58 PM MST, "johnson" wrote
<KrC6L.1168811$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> I noticed that Ventura was available in the "About This Mac" menu item >>>>>> on my M1 Mini, so I downloaded it. The only glitch, so far, was that my >>>>>> Time Machine disk wasn't recognized. So I unplugged it and plugged it >>>>>> in again. That worked. I haven't explored much further.
Love it so far. Haven't tried Stage Manager yet.
Stage manager takes getting used to. I have it on just to see if I will >>>> like it... so far not so much.
This is good info on its use and settings:
https://youtu.be/dbndfDB6EEA
Looks like just yet another useless gimmick (just use the friggin'
Dock, that's what it's there for!)
It works diffetenrtly than the dock. It is closer to Spaces but is not the >> same as that, either.
Hold down the Option key as you click on a Dock icon and it will hide
the current app as it switches to the new one.
Stage Manager is just another useless gimmick.
Everyone will be jumping
up and down with glee (or annoyance) for about five minutes, and then
it'll fade away as fewer and fewer people actually use it. Eventually
Apple will simply drop it entirely, only to replace it with another
silly gimmick nobody asked for.
I have been using it and while I am not in love, in some ways I like it better
than Spaces. I like the metaphor of one desktop with window groups coming and
going instead of multiple desktops with things always being the same on them.
In my mind makes it so the documents are moving and doing the work and not me
having to move from desktop to desktop.
Spaces are another gimmick too.
People who know how to use a Mac don't care abour such gimmicks.
It's
those coming from Windoze world who get confused because Mac apps don't (usually) take over the entire screen and hide all the other apps from
view.
Really not a big deal either way, but you can also use them together (which >> admittedly might be a bit much).
Using Spaces, hiding, Stage Manager, minimizing, and multiple real desktops I
think would be too much -- and I can see where you see that is being gimmicky.
I can also see where some users would be overwhelmed by the choices... who >> knew macOS would get to the point of having overwhelming choices?
... at the expense of not fixing all the existing bugs, some of which
date way back to the first version of MacOS X. :-(
What ones are you thinking of?
There are loads of them, and each new version of the OS and associated gimmicks simply add more.
And Stage Manager adds some new ones -- or at least implementation
features I do not like. My current pet peeve: if I am watching a video
and I get a call, the video goes away into an "App Stack" or whatever
they are called (should be window stack, but that is a different nit)
and the phone pops up. Not easy to turn off the damn video before I get
the call. Not even the pause button on the keyboard does it. That is
stupid.
I have been using it and while I am not in love, in some ways I like it better
than Spaces. I like the metaphor of one desktop with window groups coming and
going instead of multiple desktops with things always being the same on them.
In my mind makes it so the documents are moving and doing the work and not me
having to move from desktop to desktop.
Spaces are another gimmick too.
I use it often, esp. with full screen apps. I find it very useful.
... at the expense of not fixing all the existing bugs, some of which
date way back to the first version of MacOS X. :-(
What ones are you thinking of?
There are loads of them, and each new version of the OS and associated gimmicks simply add more.
Would love to hear some of your pet peeves.
Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
I have been using it and while I am not in love, in some ways I
like it better than Spaces. I like the metaphor of one desktop with
window groups coming and going instead of multiple desktops with
things always being the same on them. In my mind makes it so the
documents are moving and doing the work and not me having to move
from desktop to desktop.
Spaces are another gimmick too.
I use it often, esp. with full screen apps. I find it very useful.
On 2022-10-28, Ant <[email protected]> wrote:
Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
I have been using it and while I am not in love, in some ways I
like it better than Spaces. I like the metaphor of one desktop with
window groups coming and going instead of multiple desktops with
things always being the same on them. In my mind makes it so the
documents are moving and doing the work and not me having to move
from desktop to desktop.
Spaces are another gimmick too.
I use it often, esp. with full screen apps. I find it very useful.
Many people do. I typically have 3 desktops: one main desktop, another
for one project I'm working on, and another for a different project I'm
working on. It's no gimmick. As anyone who actually uses the feature
will tell you, it's extremely useful and a huge productivity booster.
Ragging on features just because you have no need for them is a pretty
lame behavior if you ask me. To each his own. Use the best tool for
whatever job you have in front of you.
On Oct 27, 2022 at 10:35:56 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote <tjfpns$7sl$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-28 03:57:30 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 8:22:43 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote
<tjfhu2$59p$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27 21:14:18 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 2:08:58 PM MST, "johnson" wrote
<KrC6L.1168811$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> I noticed that Ventura was available in the "About This Mac" menu item >>>>>>> on my M1 Mini, so I downloaded it. The only glitch, so far, was that my >>>>>>> Time Machine disk wasn't recognized. So I unplugged it and plugged it >>>>>>> in again. That worked. I haven't explored much further.
Love it so far. Haven't tried Stage Manager yet.
Stage manager takes getting used to. I have it on just to see if I will >>>>> like it... so far not so much.
This is good info on its use and settings:
https://youtu.be/dbndfDB6EEA
Looks like just yet another useless gimmick (just use the friggin'
Dock, that's what it's there for!)
It works diffetenrtly than the dock. It is closer to Spaces but is not the >>> same as that, either.
Hold down the Option key as you click on a Dock icon and it will hide
the current app as it switches to the new one.
Yes... but it does not group windows like Stage Manager does. Stage Manager is
more like Spaces, but with a different metaphor (the apps move on / off the stage instead of the user having to go to a different desktop), and it has some different features.
Stage Manager is just another useless gimmick.
If you do not find it useful then do not use it. I might end up just turning it off. I am finding as I open new apps I am finding it a but annoying. We shall see.
Everyone will be jumping up and down with glee (or annoyance) for about
five minutes, and then it'll fade away as fewer and fewer people
actually use it. Eventually Apple will simply drop it entirely, only to
replace it with another silly gimmick nobody asked for.
They might. Happy they are trying it... seeing if it works. I do agree there are so many organization systems there is a risk of things being overwhelming.
I have been using it and while I am not in love, in some ways I like it
better than Spaces. I like the metaphor of one desktop with window
groups coming and going instead of multiple desktops with things always
being the same on them. In my mind makes it so the documents are moving
and doing the work and not me having to move from desktop to desktop.
Spaces are another gimmick too.
I use it often, esp. with full screen apps. I find it very useful.
People who know how to use a Mac don't care abour such gimmicks.
It is an organizational tool. I value it.
Really not a big deal either way, but you can also use them together
(which admittedly might be a bit much).
Using Spaces, hiding, Stage Manager, minimizing, and multiple real
desktops I think would be too much -- and I can see where you see that
is being gimmicky. I can also see where some users would be overwhelmed
by the choices... who knew macOS would get to the point of having
overwhelming choices?
... at the expense of not fixing all the existing bugs, some of which
date way back to the first version of MacOS X. :-(
What ones are you thinking of?
There are loads of them, and each new version of the OS and associated
gimmicks simply add more.
Would love to hear some of your pet peeves.
On 2022-10-28 07:48:41 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 10:35:56 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote
<tjfpns$7sl$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-28 03:57:30 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 8:22:43 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote
<tjfhu2$59p$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27 21:14:18 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 2:08:58 PM MST, "johnson" wrote
<KrC6L.1168811$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> I noticed that Ventura was available in the "About This Mac" menu item >>>>>>>> on my M1 Mini, so I downloaded it. The only glitch, so far, was that my
Time Machine disk wasn't recognized. So I unplugged it and plugged it >>>>>>>> in again. That worked. I haven't explored much further.
Love it so far. Haven't tried Stage Manager yet.
Stage manager takes getting used to. I have it on just to see if I will >>>>>> like it... so far not so much.
This is good info on its use and settings:
https://youtu.be/dbndfDB6EEA
Looks like just yet another useless gimmick (just use the friggin'
Dock, that's what it's there for!)
It works diffetenrtly than the dock. It is closer to Spaces but is not the >>>> same as that, either.
Hold down the Option key as you click on a Dock icon and it will hide
the current app as it switches to the new one.
Yes... but it does not group windows like Stage Manager does. Stage Manager is
more like Spaces, but with a different metaphor (the apps move on / off the >> stage instead of the user having to go to a different desktop), and it has >> some different features.
The Dock does "group windows" within the app.
If you
right/Control-click on a Dock icon, you'll get a list of windows.
Stage Manager simply takes an open app and bundles all it's windows
into a pile on the side of the screen (wasting display space) that you single-click to bring them all back again.
It's just a different way of doing what you can already do, adding
extra clutter to the display and more complexity (and mroe bugs) to the
OS
Stage Manager is just another useless gimmick.
If you do not find it useful then do not use it. I might end up just turning >> it off. I am finding as I open new apps I am finding it a but annoying. We >> shall see.
Even if I wanted to use it, I can't. Apple dropped my Mac Mini from the
list of compatible computers for the new MacOS version.
Everyone will be jumping up and down with glee (or annoyance) for about
five minutes, and then it'll fade away as fewer and fewer people
actually use it. Eventually Apple will simply drop it entirely, only to
replace it with another silly gimmick nobody asked for.
They might. Happy they are trying it... seeing if it works. I do agree there >> are so many organization systems there is a risk of things being overwhelming.
There is a ton of niche stuff in MacOS that barely anyone even knows
exists, let alone actually uses.
The Mac used to be "the computer for the rest of us", but is now "the
comuter for a pile of little niche groups".
This sort of gimmickry
should be left as an optional extra and/or for third-party developers.
It's the existing bugs that Apple needs to fix - not keep adding more
and more gimmicks.
I have been using it and while I am not in love, in some ways I like it >>>> better than Spaces. I like the metaphor of one desktop with window
groups coming and going instead of multiple desktops with things always >>>> being the same on them. In my mind makes it so the documents are moving >>>> and doing the work and not me having to move from desktop to desktop.
Spaces are another gimmick too.
I use it often, esp. with full screen apps. I find it very useful.
People who know how to use a Mac don't care abour such gimmicks.
It is an organizational tool. I value it.
Again, most users don't even know it exists, until they hit the wrong keyboard button or trackpad gesture ... then it's "What the hell
happened?" and a call to people like me to 'fix' it.
Really not a big deal either way, but you can also use them together
(which admittedly might be a bit much).
Using Spaces, hiding, Stage Manager, minimizing, and multiple real
desktops I think would be too much -- and I can see where you see that >>>> is being gimmicky. I can also see where some users would be overwhelmed >>>> by the choices... who knew macOS would get to the point of having
overwhelming choices?
... at the expense of not fixing all the existing bugs, some of which >>>>> date way back to the first version of MacOS X. :-(
What ones are you thinking of?
There are loads of them, and each new version of the OS and associated
gimmicks simply add more.
Would love to hear some of your pet peeves.
One of the most annoying seen quite often is with USB drives (maybe
only Windoze format ones) showing the remaining empty space. I've had
2GB USB keyring drives which already have files on them and the Finder
saying there is 6GB free space!!
The Finder windows can also be slow to update. I've saved files to a
folder, then looking it that folder the file isn't there (nor in a
Terminal directory listing), until a few seconds later when it
magically appears.
There are numerous such "little" annoyances and inconsistencies that
have never been fixed.
One of the most annoying seen quite often is with USB drives (maybe
only Windoze format ones) showing the remaining empty space. I've had
2GB USB keyring drives which already have files on them and the Finder
saying there is 6GB free space!!
Looks like just yet another useless gimmick (just use the friggin' >>>>>>> Dock, that's what it's there for!)
It works diffetenrtly than the dock. It is closer to Spaces but is not >>>>>> the same as that, either.
Hold down the Option key as you click on a Dock icon and it will hide >>>>> the current app as it switches to the new one.
Yes... but it does not group windows like Stage Manager does. Stage
Manager is more like Spaces, but with a different metaphor (the apps
move on / off the stage instead of the user having to go to a different >>>> desktop), and it has some different features.
The Dock does "group windows" within the app.
Stage Manager does it by window, not by app. This is very different.
Each "pile" is a different app ...
"For an app with multiple open windows, Stage Manager
gathers all the windows in a single pile."
although you can combine windows from different apps in one "Space".
When you click on a "pile" it simply displays the top-most window (or
windows is using it as a "space"). Clicking on the same pile will cycle through the windows. You get the same, if not better, functionality by
simply right/control-clicking on the Dock icon and choosing the window
you actually want.
If you right/Control-click on a Dock icon, you'll get a list of windows. >>>
Stage Manager simply takes an open app and bundles all it's windows
into a pile on the side of the screen (wasting display space) that you
single-click to bring them all back again.
You can do it by app or make your own organization. And you can have it so the
icons hide (that is how I use it).
It's just a different way of doing what you can already do, adding
extra clutter to the display and more complexity (and mroe bugs) to the
OS
Incorrect.
Nope. There are already other ways to do the same thing.
Stage Manager is just another useless gimmick.
If you do not find it useful then do not use it. I might end up just
turning it off. I am finding as I open new apps I am finding it a but
annoying. We shall see.
Even if I wanted to use it, I can't. Apple dropped my Mac Mini from the
list of compatible computers for the new MacOS version.
You have not even used the feature you are saying is of no value?
A few niche users will claim it's the best thing since sliced bread,
but the reality is that it's just yet another gimmick that like all the others will be not be noticed, let alone used, by the vast majority of
users. It's too fiddly, too messy, too complicated, and ultimately
pointless.
Everyone will be jumping up and down with glee (or annoyance) for about >>>>> five minutes, and then it'll fade away as fewer and fewer people
actually use it. Eventually Apple will simply drop it entirely, only to >>>>> replace it with another silly gimmick nobody asked for.
They might. Happy they are trying it... seeing if it works. I do agree >>>> there are so many organization systems there is a risk of things being >>>> overwhelming.
There is a ton of niche stuff in MacOS that barely anyone even knows
exists, let alone actually uses.
Few use everything, but everything is used.
The Mac used to be "the computer for the rest of us", but is now "the
comuter for a pile of little niche groups".
How so? I do worry that too many options might be overwhelming for some
users... but Spaces and Stage Manager are not doing anything by default. Well,
Spaces works with full screen.
This sort of gimmickry should be left as an optional extra and/or for
third-party developers.
Stage Manager is an optional extra. But is true if it was third party I would
likely not use it.
It is made, though, because it is the way iPads work. Many move between the >> two and it will be familiar.
Yet another reason why the iPad is not actually useful as a computer replacement for doing real work.
It's the existing bugs that Apple needs to fix - not keep adding more
and more gimmicks.
How do you figure? And what bugs do you mean? Please share some.
I have been using it and while I am not in love, in some ways I like it >>>>>> better than Spaces. I like the metaphor of one desktop with window >>>>>> groups coming and going instead of multiple desktops with things always >>>>>> being the same on them. In my mind makes it so the documents are moving >>>>>> and doing the work and not me having to move from desktop to desktop. >>>>>Spaces are another gimmick too.
I use it often, esp. with full screen apps. I find it very useful.
People who know how to use a Mac don't care abour such gimmicks.
It is an organizational tool. I value it.
Again, most users don't even know it exists, until they hit the wrong
keyboard button or trackpad gesture ... then it's "What the hell
happened?" and a call to people like me to 'fix' it.
I work with new / non-techie users as well. I am happy Apple serves them AND >> serves me.
Really not a big deal either way, but you can also use them together >>>>>> (which admittedly might be a bit much).
Using Spaces, hiding, Stage Manager, minimizing, and multiple real >>>>>> desktops I think would be too much -- and I can see where you see that >>>>>> is being gimmicky. I can also see where some users would be overwhelmed >>>>>> by the choices... who knew macOS would get to the point of having
overwhelming choices?
... at the expense of not fixing all the existing bugs, some of which >>>>>>> date way back to the first version of MacOS X. :-(
What ones are you thinking of?
There are loads of them, and each new version of the OS and associated >>>>> gimmicks simply add more.
Would love to hear some of your pet peeves.
One of the most annoying seen quite often is with USB drives (maybe
only Windoze format ones) showing the remaining empty space. I've had
2GB USB keyring drives which already have files on them and the Finder
saying there is 6GB free space!!
Would love to hear how to replicate this.
The Finder windows can also be slow to update. I've saved files to a
folder, then looking it that folder the file isn't there (nor in a
Terminal directory listing), until a few seconds later when it
magically appears.
I have seen that, though usually a second or so.
There are numerous such "little" annoyances and inconsistencies that
have never been fixed.
Agreed -- but of note you cannot think of many off hand.
Geez, I'm not going to bother wasting my time trying to list them all. :-\
On Oct 28, 2022 at 6:12:36 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote <tjhum4$11ca$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-28 07:48:41 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 10:35:56 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote
<tjfpns$7sl$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-28 03:57:30 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 8:22:43 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote
<tjfhu2$59p$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27 21:14:18 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 27, 2022 at 2:08:58 PM MST, "johnson" wrote
<KrC6L.1168811$[email protected]>:
On 2022-10-27, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I noticed that Ventura was available in the "About This Mac" menu item
on my M1 Mini, so I downloaded it. The only glitch, so far, was that my
Time Machine disk wasn't recognized. So I unplugged it and plugged it >>>>>>>>> in again. That worked. I haven't explored much further.
Love it so far. Haven't tried Stage Manager yet.
Stage manager takes getting used to. I have it on just to see if I will >>>>>>> like it... so far not so much.
This is good info on its use and settings:
https://youtu.be/dbndfDB6EEA
Looks like just yet another useless gimmick (just use the friggin' >>>>>> Dock, that's what it's there for!)
It works diffetenrtly than the dock. It is closer to Spaces but is not >>>>> the same as that, either.
Hold down the Option key as you click on a Dock icon and it will hide
the current app as it switches to the new one.
Yes... but it does not group windows like Stage Manager does. Stage
Manager is more like Spaces, but with a different metaphor (the apps
move on / off the stage instead of the user having to go to a different
desktop), and it has some different features.
The Dock does "group windows" within the app.
Stage Manager does it by window, not by app. This is very different.
If you right/Control-click on a Dock icon, you'll get a list of windows.
Stage Manager simply takes an open app and bundles all it's windows
into a pile on the side of the screen (wasting display space) that you
single-click to bring them all back again.
You can do it by app or make your own organization. And you can have it so the
icons hide (that is how I use it).
It's just a different way of doing what you can already do, adding
extra clutter to the display and more complexity (and mroe bugs) to the
OS
Incorrect.
Stage Manager is just another useless gimmick.
If you do not find it useful then do not use it. I might end up just
turning it off. I am finding as I open new apps I am finding it a but
annoying. We shall see.
Even if I wanted to use it, I can't. Apple dropped my Mac Mini from the
list of compatible computers for the new MacOS version.
You have not even used the feature you are saying is of no value?
Everyone will be jumping up and down with glee (or annoyance) for about >>>> five minutes, and then it'll fade away as fewer and fewer people
actually use it. Eventually Apple will simply drop it entirely, only to >>>> replace it with another silly gimmick nobody asked for.
They might. Happy they are trying it... seeing if it works. I do agree
there are so many organization systems there is a risk of things being
overwhelming.
There is a ton of niche stuff in MacOS that barely anyone even knows
exists, let alone actually uses.
Few use everything, but everything is used.
The Mac used to be "the computer for the rest of us", but is now "the
comuter for a pile of little niche groups".
How so? I do worry that too many options might be overwhelming for some users... but Spaces and Stage Manager are not doing anything by default. Well,
Spaces works with full screen.
This sort of gimmickry should be left as an optional extra and/or for
third-party developers.
Stage Manager is an optional extra. But is true if it was third party I would likely not use it.
It is made, though, because it is the way iPads work. Many move between the two and it will be familiar.
It's the existing bugs that Apple needs to fix - not keep adding more
and more gimmicks.
How do you figure? And what bugs do you mean? Please share some.
I have been using it and while I am not in love, in some ways I like it >>>>> better than Spaces. I like the metaphor of one desktop with windowSpaces are another gimmick too.
groups coming and going instead of multiple desktops with things always >>>>> being the same on them. In my mind makes it so the documents are moving >>>>> and doing the work and not me having to move from desktop to desktop. >>>>
I use it often, esp. with full screen apps. I find it very useful.
People who know how to use a Mac don't care abour such gimmicks.
It is an organizational tool. I value it.
Again, most users don't even know it exists, until they hit the wrong
keyboard button or trackpad gesture ... then it's "What the hell
happened?" and a call to people like me to 'fix' it.
I work with new / non-techie users as well. I am happy Apple serves them AND serves me.
Really not a big deal either way, but you can also use them together >>>>> (which admittedly might be a bit much).
Using Spaces, hiding, Stage Manager, minimizing, and multiple real
desktops I think would be too much -- and I can see where you see that >>>>> is being gimmicky. I can also see where some users would be overwhelmed >>>>> by the choices... who knew macOS would get to the point of having
overwhelming choices?
... at the expense of not fixing all the existing bugs, some of which >>>>>> date way back to the first version of MacOS X. :-(
What ones are you thinking of?
There are loads of them, and each new version of the OS and associated >>>> gimmicks simply add more.
Would love to hear some of your pet peeves.
One of the most annoying seen quite often is with USB drives (maybe
only Windoze format ones) showing the remaining empty space. I've had
2GB USB keyring drives which already have files on them and the Finder
saying there is 6GB free space!!
Would love to hear how to replicate this.
The Finder windows can also be slow to update. I've saved files to a
folder, then looking it that folder the file isn't there (nor in a
Terminal directory listing), until a few seconds later when it
magically appears.
I have seen that, though usually a second or so.
There are numerous such "little" annoyances and inconsistencies that
have never been fixed.
Agreed -- but of note you cannot think of many off hand.
On Oct 28, 2022 at 10:48:28 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote <tjierc$1hgp$[email protected]>:
...
Looks like just yet another useless gimmick (just use the friggin' >>>>>>>> Dock, that's what it's there for!)
It works diffetenrtly than the dock. It is closer to Spaces but is not >>>>>>> the same as that, either.
Hold down the Option key as you click on a Dock icon and it will hide >>>>>> the current app as it switches to the new one.
Yes... but it does not group windows like Stage Manager does. Stage
Manager is more like Spaces, but with a different metaphor (the apps >>>>> move on / off the stage instead of the user having to go to a different >>>>> desktop), and it has some different features.
The Dock does "group windows" within the app.
Stage Manager does it by window, not by app. This is very different.
Each "pile" is a different app ...
You have not used it. Really... it can be windows from different apps.
"For an app with multiple open windows, Stage Manager
gathers all the windows in a single pile."
Yes, and you can move them around.
although you can combine windows from different apps in one "Space".
It is not Spaces.
<snip>When you click on a "pile" it simply displays the top-most window (or
windows is using it as a "space"). Clicking on the same pile will cycle
through the windows. You get the same, if not better, functionality by
simply right/control-clicking on the Dock icon and choosing the window
you actually want.
You have not used it and clearly do not know how it works. Not sure what to do
for you with that one.
It does have its quirks. I am not in love with it. But I am at least learning how to use it before bashing it.
On 2022-10-29 06:14:06 +0000, Snit said:
On Oct 28, 2022 at 10:48:28 PM MST, "Your Name" wrote
<tjierc$1hgp$[email protected]>:
...
Looks like just yet another useless gimmick (just use the friggin' >>>>>>>>> Dock, that's what it's there for!)
It works diffetenrtly than the dock. It is closer to Spaces but is not >>>>>>>> the same as that, either.
Hold down the Option key as you click on a Dock icon and it will hide >>>>>>> the current app as it switches to the new one.
Yes... but it does not group windows like Stage Manager does. Stage >>>>>> Manager is more like Spaces, but with a different metaphor (the apps >>>>>> move on / off the stage instead of the user having to go to a different >>>>>> desktop), and it has some different features.
The Dock does "group windows" within the app.
Stage Manager does it by window, not by app. This is very different.
Each "pile" is a different app ...
You have not used it. Really... it can be windows from different apps.
Yes, as I said below. But by default it does individual apps which you
then have to manually combine to make "spaces".
"For an app with multiple open windows, Stage Manager
gathers all the windows in a single pile."
Yes, and you can move them around.
although you can combine windows from different apps in one "Space".
It is not Spaces.
It's not the old "Spaces", it's a new option within Stage Manager.
That
may not be the official term, but it is the term some reviewers are
using.
<snip>When you click on a "pile" it simply displays the top-most window (or
windows is using it as a "space"). Clicking on the same pile will cycle
through the windows. You get the same, if not better, functionality by
simply right/control-clicking on the Dock icon and choosing the window
you actually want.
You have not used it and clearly do not know how it works. Not sure what to do
for you with that one.
It does have its quirks. I am not in love with it. But I am at least learning
how to use it before bashing it.
It's a gimmick, plain and simple.
It will *NOT* be even known about,
let alone used, by the vast majority of users.
You continue arguing with yourself. I'm done.
Ragging on features just because you have no need for them is a pretty
lame behavior if you ask me. To each his own. Use the best tool for
whatever job you have in front of you.
On 2022-10-28, Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
Ragging on features just because you have no need for them is a pretty
lame behavior if you ask me. To each his own. Use the best tool for
whatever job you have in front of you.
hear! hear!
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