• Help! Capital letter missing

    From Connor Shannon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 5 15:36:56 2022
    My iMac just started doing the weirdest thing it won't make a capital "O" with the Shift key. I can make a capital O with the Caps Lock key. All the other capital letters work!!

    I googled and found a couple other ppl who had problems with one letter but i couldn't tell if what ppl told them to do worked. There was something about PRAM I haven't tried but I tried blowing on the O key and the Shift key in case there was dust and
    that didn't work. Yes I checked it isn't just one program it's all of them (Firefox, Word, textedit, etc).

    Probably I need a new keyboard? The iMac is really old (2011) but if I get this one it will work, right? It says MacOS 11 or later.

    https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK2A3LL/A/magic-keyboard-us-english

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Tue Jul 5 23:51:42 2022
    On 05/07/2022 23:36, Connor Shannon wrote:
    My iMac just started doing the weirdest thing it won't make a capital "O" with the Shift key. I can make a capital O with the Caps Lock key. All the other capital letters work!!

    I googled and found a couple other ppl who had problems with one letter but i couldn't tell if what ppl told them to do worked. There was something about PRAM I haven't tried but I tried blowing on the O key and the Shift key in case there was dust and
    that didn't work. Yes I checked it isn't just one program it's all of them (Firefox, Word, textedit, etc).

    Try starting your computer in Safe Boot mode, procedure here:-

    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mh21245/mac

    If, on restarting in normal mode, the problem persists, it may well be a keyboard problem.

    Good luck! :-D

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Tue Jul 5 18:11:27 2022
    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    Connor Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:

    My iMac just started doing the weirdest thing it won't make a capital "O" with the Shift key. I can make a capital O with the Caps Lock key. All the other capital letters work!!

    Maybe you have to clean the keyboard. Keys accumulate dust
    wererabbits under them which impede the key fully depressing and
    making a keyclick. You can take key caps off and do glorious
    combat with the dust wererabbits. Chiclet key caps are trickier
    and can break if you stare too long. I mostly use a flat plastic
    probe.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Tue Jul 5 20:38:18 2022
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Connor Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:

    My iMac just started doing the weirdest thing it won't make a capital "O" with the Shift key. I can make a capital O with the Caps Lock key. All the other capital letters work!!

    I googled and found a couple other ppl who had problems with one letter but i couldn't tell if what ppl told them to do worked. There was something about PRAM I haven't tried but I tried blowing on the O key and the Shift key in case there was dust and that didn't work. Yes I checked it isn't just one program it's all of them (Firefox, Word, textedit, etc).

    Probably I need a new keyboard? The iMac is really old (2011) but if I get this one it will work, right? It says MacOS 11 or later.

    the first thing to try is go to system preferences, keyboard preference
    panel, input sources tab. tick the box show input menu in menu bar,
    then
    click on the input menu that's now in the menubar and select show
    keyboard viewer. this is a floating window, so switch to whatever apps
    you want and start typing, while watching what gets highlighted in the
    keyboard viewer.

    if that doesn't show anything unusual, then the next step is to test
    the mac with a different keyboard and also try that keyboard on a
    different mac. if you live near an apple store, you might want to have
    them take a look.

    if you do end up replacing the keyboard, *any* usb-compliant keyboard
    will work. it doesn't have to be from apple, nor does it even need to
    be new. a used keyboard from ebay should work fine until you replace
    the imac.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Wed Jul 6 15:38:29 2022
    On 2022-07-05 22:36:56 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    My iMac just started doing the weirdest thing it won't make a capital
    "O" with the Shift key. I can make a capital O with the Caps Lock key.
    All the other capital letters work!!

    I googled and found a couple other ppl who had problems with one letter
    but i couldn't tell if what ppl told them to do worked. There was
    something about PRAM I haven't tried but I tried blowing on the O key
    and the Shift key in case there was dust and that didn't work. Yes I
    checked it isn't just one program it's all of them (Firefox, Word,
    textedit, etc).

    Could well be something wrong with the Shift key. Does it happen with
    both Shift keys?

    Someone I know has an old iMac and the keyboard doesn't recognise the
    Backspace key, which makes editing text a bit cumbersome.




    Probably I need a new keyboard? The iMac is really old (2011) but if I
    get this one it will work, right? It says MacOS 11 or later.

    https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK2A3LL/A/magic-keyboard-us-english

    If your Mac is running MacOS 11.3 or newer, then it should work. If
    you're using an older version of MacOS it may or may not work.

    Apple's keyboards are on the expensive side. Pretty much any keyboard
    will work, especially wired USB ones, although for a Windows keyboard
    you may have to change the modifier key mapping in the Keyboard System preferences (they tend to have Command and Option around the wrong way).

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Wed Jul 6 14:02:31 2022
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Connor Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:


    You know how when your car has something wrong and then you take it to the shop and it runs fine? Well now my iMac is working okay. I opened the little keyboard image like nospam said and the capital O is working okay. That was yesterday and now so far today its also okay.

    intermittent problems are always 'fun'.

    Yesterday things got worse first I would start to type and the blinking cursor would start moving on its own! I had to hit ESC to stop it but it kept doing it. It was crazy.

    that is another indication of a problematic keyboard.

    I had already restarted the iMac before that and that hadn't fixed it. My other Mac is a Macbook so I don't have another key board or I would of tried that first.

    you can try the keyboard on the macbook (and mouse too for that matter).

    if the problems follow, then it's the keyboard. however, being an
    intermittent problem, it might take a few days (or more).

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe Mode and all the other ideas, thank you!

    safe mode will not make a difference. the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

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  • From Connor Shannon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 6 10:43:04 2022
    Thank you everyone for the very good ideas!

    You know how when your car has something wrong and then you take it to the shop and it runs fine? Well now my iMac is working okay. I opened the little keyboard image like nospam said and the capital O is working okay. That was yesterday and now so far
    today its also okay.

    Yesterday things got worse first I would start to type and the blinking cursor would start moving on its own! I had to hit ESC to stop it but it kept doing it. It was crazy.

    I had already restarted the iMac before that and that hadn't fixed it. My other Mac is a Macbook so I don't have another key board or I would of tried that first.

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe Mode and all the other ideas, thank you!

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jul 6 14:01:51 2022
    On 2022-07-06 12:02, nospam wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Connor Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe Mode and
    all the other ideas, thank you!

    safe mode will not make a difference. the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Booting in safe mode can solve problems involving corrupt system caches
    since it forces all caches to be cleared. So this wasn't an entirely unreasonably suggestion.

    André

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Jul 6 16:37:44 2022
    In article <ta4png$4bgk$[email protected]>, Andr� G. Isaak
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe Mode >> and all the other ideas, thank you!

    safe mode will not make a difference. the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Booting in safe mode can solve problems involving corrupt system caches
    since it forces all caches to be cleared. So this wasn't an entirely unreasonably suggestion.

    it won't fix what appears to be a defective keyboard.

    safe mode is useful for some issues, but this isn't one of them.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jul 6 13:51:59 2022
    On 2022-07-06 13:37, nospam wrote:
    In article <ta4png$4bgk$[email protected]>, André G. Isaak <[email protected]d> wrote:

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe Mode >>>> and all the other ideas, thank you!

    safe mode will not make a difference. the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Booting in safe mode can solve problems involving corrupt system caches
    since it forces all caches to be cleared. So this wasn't an entirely
    unreasonably suggestion.

    it won't fix what appears to be a defective keyboard.

    safe mode is useful for some issues, but this isn't one of them.

    It doesn't track with the keyboard being defective for only a single key
    to fail to produce a capital letter when the shift key is held down.

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  • From Connor Shannon@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jul 6 14:54:50 2022
    On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:02:37 AM UTC-7, nospam wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Connor Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:


    You know how when your car has something wrong and then you take it to the shop and it runs fine? Well now my iMac is working okay. I opened the little
    keyboard image like nospam said and the capital O is working okay. That was
    yesterday and now so far today its also okay.
    intermittent problems are always 'fun'.
    Yesterday things got worse first I would start to type and the blinking cursor would start moving on its own! I had to hit ESC to stop it but it kept
    doing it. It was crazy.
    that is another indication of a problematic keyboard.
    I had already restarted the iMac before that and that hadn't fixed it. My other Mac is a Macbook so I don't have another key board or I would of tried
    that first.
    you can try the keyboard on the macbook (and mouse too for that matter).

    I didn't know that. I just Googled and it looks like I can do screen sharing? But then I would just be looking at the Macbook screen on the iMac monitor but what I would need is the iMac computer with a different keyboard. Is there a way to do that with
    a Macbook??

    p.s. so far iMac is okay today, hope I'm not jinxing it by saying that. :)

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Jul 6 17:56:51 2022
    In article <ta4slf$4lvu$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe Mode
    and all the other ideas, thank you!

    safe mode will not make a difference. the person who suggested that has >>> no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Booting in safe mode can solve problems involving corrupt system caches
    since it forces all caches to be cleared. So this wasn't an entirely
    unreasonably suggestion.

    it won't fix what appears to be a defective keyboard.

    safe mode is useful for some issues, but this isn't one of them.

    It doesn't track with the keyboard being defective for only a single key
    to fail to produce a capital letter when the shift key is held down.

    it does, along with the random cursor movements, strongly suggest a
    defective keyboard and not a cache issue. it's also intermittent, which
    is further evidence it's hardware.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Wed Jul 6 18:03:10 2022
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Connor Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:

    My
    other Mac is a Macbook so I don't have another key board or I would of tried that first.
    you can try the keyboard on the macbook (and mouse too for that matter).

    I didn't know that. I just Googled and it looks like I can do screen sharing?

    you can, but that's not going to help.

    But then I would just be looking at the Macbook screen on the iMac monitor but what I would need is the iMac computer with a different keyboard. Is there a way to do that with a Macbook??

    if it's a usb keyboard, unplug the keyboard from the imac and connect
    it to one of the macbook's usb ports. if it's a bluetooth keyboard,
    unpair and re-pair it. you can also swap the mouse but that's just for convenience, not to diagnose anything.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Connor Shannon on Thu Jul 7 10:17:49 2022
    On 2022-07-06 17:43:04 +0000, Connor Shannon said:

    Thank you everyone for the very good ideas!

    You know how when your car has something wrong and then you take it to
    the shop and it runs fine? Well now my iMac is working okay. I opened
    the little keyboard image like nospam said and the capital O is working
    okay. That was yesterday and now so far today its also okay.

    Yesterday things got worse first I would start to type and the blinking cursor would start moving on its own! I had to hit ESC to stop it but
    it kept doing it. It was crazy.

    Almost certainly the Space Bar getting stuck.

    Could be ...

    - dirt and fluff under the keys (including a lost staple from paperwork)
    - if it's a wired keyboard: a broken cable/socket
    - if it's a wireless keyboard: battery running low, interferrence in
    the signal, or broken antenna




    I had already restarted the iMac before that and that hadn't fixed it.
    My other Mac is a Macbook so I don't have another key board or I would
    of tried that first.

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe
    Mode and all the other ideas, thank you!

    I haven't checked recently, but Apple's support website used to say you
    should use a wired USB keyboard when using keyboard boot commands due
    to the wireless connection not being made until the Mac is already
    part-way through the boot process and past the point where the keyboard
    command would work ... which is insanely stupid since they only ship
    wire*less* keyboards with their desktop Macs. :-\

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jul 6 15:21:44 2022
    On 2022-07-06 14:56, nospam wrote:
    In article <ta4slf$4lvu$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe Mode
    and all the other ideas, thank you!

    safe mode will not make a difference. the person who suggested that has >>>>> no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Booting in safe mode can solve problems involving corrupt system caches >>>> since it forces all caches to be cleared. So this wasn't an entirely
    unreasonably suggestion.

    it won't fix what appears to be a defective keyboard.

    safe mode is useful for some issues, but this isn't one of them.

    It doesn't track with the keyboard being defective for only a single key
    to fail to produce a capital letter when the shift key is held down.

    it does, along with the random cursor movements, strongly suggest a
    defective keyboard and not a cache issue. it's also intermittent, which
    is further evidence it's hardware.

    Except where would the hardware defect BE exactly.

    The shift key works... ...except with the "o" key.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Jul 7 13:10:26 2022
    On 2022-07-06 22:21:44 +0000, Alan said:
    On 2022-07-06 14:56, nospam wrote:
    In article <ta4slf$4lvu$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe >>>>>>> Mode and all the other ideas, thank you!

    safe mode will not make a difference. the person who suggested that has >>>>>> no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Booting in safe mode can solve problems involving corrupt system caches >>>>> since it forces all caches to be cleared. So this wasn't an entirely >>>>> unreasonably suggestion.

    it won't fix what appears to be a defective keyboard.

    safe mode is useful for some issues, but this isn't one of them.

    It doesn't track with the keyboard being defective for only a single key >>> to fail to produce a capital letter when the shift key is held down.

    it does, along with the random cursor movements, strongly suggest a
    defective keyboard and not a cache issue. it's also intermittent, which
    is further evidence it's hardware.

    Except where would the hardware defect BE exactly.

    The shift key works... ...except with the "o" key.

    One possibility, if it's a crack in the circuit board inside the
    keboard, then pressing those two keys together might be enough to open
    the crack and break the connection, while pressing them individually or
    using the other Shift key or tapping Caps Lock is not.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 7 10:06:32 2022
    On 06/07/2022 21:01, André G. Isaak wrote:
    On 2022-07-06 12:02, nospam wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Connor Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe
    Mode and
    all the other ideas, thank you!

    safe mode will not make a difference. the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Booting in safe mode can solve problems involving corrupt system caches
    since it forces all caches to be cleared. So this wasn't an entirely unreasonably suggestion.

    André

    Thank you, André :-D

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 7 10:05:53 2022
    On 06/07/2022 19:02, nospam *LIED*!
    the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by
    software that loads when your Mac starts up.

    Safe mode prevents your Mac from loading certain software when it starts
    up, including login items, system extensions not required by macOS, and
    fonts not installed by macOS. It also does a basic check of your startup
    disk, similar to using First Aid in Disk Utility. And it deletes some
    system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache, which will be created again automatically as needed.

    Safe mode is particularly useful when you're trying to resolve an issue
    that doesn't seem to be associated with using a particular app. As
    always, keeping your software up to date is the first step for resolving
    any software issues.

    Full details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Jul 7 06:20:44 2022
    In article <ta51tp$58kl$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

    Booting in safe mode can solve problems involving corrupt system caches >>>> since it forces all caches to be cleared. So this wasn't an entirely >>>> unreasonably suggestion.

    it won't fix what appears to be a defective keyboard.

    safe mode is useful for some issues, but this isn't one of them.

    It doesn't track with the keyboard being defective for only a single key >> to fail to produce a capital letter when the shift key is held down.

    it does, along with the random cursor movements, strongly suggest a defective keyboard and not a cache issue. it's also intermittent, which
    is further evidence it's hardware.

    Except where would the hardware defect BE exactly.

    The shift key works... ...except with the "o" key.

    also an erratic cursor, which you've ignored twice.

    how would a corrupt cache cause either of those to happen?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jul 7 06:20:45 2022
    In article <SlxxK.264003$[email protected]>, David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

    the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by
    software that loads when your Mac starts up.

    Safe mode prevents your Mac from loading certain software when it starts
    up, including login items, system extensions not required by macOS, and
    fonts not installed by macOS. It also does a basic check of your startup disk, similar to using First Aid in Disk Utility. And it deletes some
    system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache, which will be created again automatically as needed.

    Safe mode is particularly useful when you're trying to resolve an issue
    that doesn't seem to be associated with using a particular app. As
    always, keeping your software up to date is the first step for resolving
    any software issues.

    Full details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

    you're regurgitating a link, which you clearly do not understand.

    like i said, you have no idea what safe mode is for and why it won't
    make any difference in this situation, or any of the other situations
    where you blindly suggest it.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jul 7 06:20:43 2022
    In article <ta51md$1j48$[email protected]>, Your Name
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    Thank you everyone for the very good ideas!

    You know how when your car has something wrong and then you take it to
    the shop and it runs fine? Well now my iMac is working okay. I opened
    the little keyboard image like nospam said and the capital O is working okay. That was yesterday and now so far today its also okay.

    Yesterday things got worse first I would start to type and the blinking cursor would start moving on its own! I had to hit ESC to stop it but
    it kept doing it. It was crazy.

    Almost certainly the Space Bar getting stuck.

    the space bar was never mentioned.

    Could be ...

    - dirt and fluff under the keys (including a lost staple from paperwork)
    - if it's a wired keyboard: a broken cable/socket
    - if it's a wireless keyboard: battery running low, interferrence in
    the signal, or broken antenna

    none of those would cause the symptoms he described.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Jul 7 20:51:37 2022
    On 2022-07-06 18:10, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-07-06 22:21:44 +0000, Alan said:
    On 2022-07-06 14:56, nospam wrote:
    In article <ta4slf$4lvu$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and >>>>>>>> Safe Mode and all the other ideas, thank you!

    safe mode will not make a difference. the person who suggested
    that has no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Booting in safe mode can solve problems involving corrupt system
    caches
    since it forces all caches to be cleared. So this wasn't an entirely >>>>>> unreasonably suggestion.

    it won't fix what appears to be a defective keyboard.

    safe mode is useful for some issues, but this isn't one of them.

    It doesn't track with the keyboard being defective for only a single
    key
    to fail to produce a capital letter when the shift key is held down.

    it does, along with the random cursor movements, strongly suggest a
    defective keyboard and not a cache issue. it's also intermittent, which
    is further evidence it's hardware.

    Except where would the hardware defect BE exactly.

    The shift key works... ...except with the "o" key.

    One possibility, if it's a crack in the circuit board inside the
    keboard, then pressing those two keys together might be enough to open
    the crack and break the connection, while pressing them individually or
    using the other Shift key or tapping Caps Lock is not.

    That seems pretty far-fetched.

    A crack that only opens when the combination of the shift key and one particular other key is pressed? The same crack wouldn't open when
    pressing at least one of the "9", "0", "I", "P", or "L" keys that are in closest proximity to the "O"?

    Really?

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Jul 8 16:25:42 2022
    On 2022-07-08 03:51:37 +0000, Alan said:
    On 2022-07-06 18:10, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-07-06 22:21:44 +0000, Alan said:
    On 2022-07-06 14:56, nospam wrote:
    In article <ta4slf$4lvu$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
    If this happens again I am going to try the other Shift key and Safe >>>>>>>>> Mode and all the other ideas, thank you!

    safe mode will not make a difference. the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Booting in safe mode can solve problems involving corrupt system caches >>>>>>> since it forces all caches to be cleared. So this wasn't an entirely >>>>>>> unreasonably suggestion.

    it won't fix what appears to be a defective keyboard.

    safe mode is useful for some issues, but this isn't one of them.

    It doesn't track with the keyboard being defective for only a single >>>>> key to fail to produce a capital letter when the shift key is held down. >>>>
    it does, along with the random cursor movements, strongly suggest a
    defective keyboard and not a cache issue. it's also intermittent, which >>>> is further evidence it's hardware.

    Except where would the hardware defect BE exactly.

    The shift key works... ...except with the "o" key.

    One possibility, if it's a crack in the circuit board inside the
    keboard, then pressing those two keys together might be enough to open
    the crack and break the connection, while pressing them individually or
    using the other Shift key or tapping Caps Lock is not.

    That seems pretty far-fetched.

    A crack that only opens when the combination of the shift key and one particular other key is pressed? The same crack wouldn't open when
    pressing at least one of the "9", "0", "I", "P", or "L" keys that are
    in closest proximity to the "O"?

    Really?

    It was simply an example. :-\

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon Jul 18 00:03:07 2022
    In article <SlxxK.264003$[email protected]>,
    David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 06/07/2022 19:02, nospam *LIED*!
    the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by
    software that loads when your Mac starts up.

    Safe mode prevents your Mac from loading certain software when it starts
    up, including login items, system extensions not required by macOS, and
    fonts not installed by macOS. It also does a basic check of your startup disk, similar to using First Aid in Disk Utility. And it deletes some
    system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache, which will be created again automatically as needed.

    Safe mode is particularly useful when you're trying to resolve an issue
    that doesn't seem to be associated with using a particular app. As
    always, keeping your software up to date is the first step for resolving
    any software issues.

    Full details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

    It seems about once every six months my 2009 A1125 will boot up very
    very slowly, the progress bar finally stalls and it restarts and goes
    into Recovery Disk mode. I just run First Aid on everything, and it goes
    back to normal. Any ideas why this happens?

    FWIW I have Snow Leopard installed on the iMac's HD, and I normally run
    El Capitan on an external SDD (actually I have two of them connected).

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 18 08:10:22 2022
    On 18/07/2022 06:03, super70s wrote:
    In article <SlxxK.264003$[email protected]>,
    David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 06/07/2022 19:02, nospam *LIED*!
    the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by
    software that loads when your Mac starts up.

    Safe mode prevents your Mac from loading certain software when it starts
    up, including login items, system extensions not required by macOS, and
    fonts not installed by macOS. It also does a basic check of your startup
    disk, similar to using First Aid in Disk Utility. And it deletes some
    system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache, which will be
    created again automatically as needed.

    Safe mode is particularly useful when you're trying to resolve an issue
    that doesn't seem to be associated with using a particular app. As
    always, keeping your software up to date is the first step for resolving
    any software issues.

    Full details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

    It seems about once every six months my 2009 A1125 will boot up very
    very slowly, the progress bar finally stalls and it restarts and goes
    into Recovery Disk mode. I just run First Aid on everything, and it goes
    back to normal. Any ideas why this happens?

    FWIW I have Snow Leopard installed on the iMac's HD, and I normally run
    El Capitan on an external SDD (actually I have two of them connected).

    Why are you using such out-of-date hardware and software?

    Seems odd.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon Jul 18 19:25:39 2022
    On 2022-07-18 07:10:22 +0000, David Brooks said:

    On 18/07/2022 06:03, super70s wrote:
    In article <SlxxK.264003$[email protected]>,
    David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 06/07/2022 19:02, nospam *LIED*!
    the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by
    software that loads when your Mac starts up.

    Safe mode prevents your Mac from loading certain software when it starts >>> up, including login items, system extensions not required by macOS, and
    fonts not installed by macOS. It also does a basic check of your startup >>> disk, similar to using First Aid in Disk Utility. And it deletes some
    system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache, which will be >>> created again automatically as needed.

    Safe mode is particularly useful when you're trying to resolve an issue
    that doesn't seem to be associated with using a particular app. As
    always, keeping your software up to date is the first step for resolving >>> any software issues.

    Full details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

    It seems about once every six months my 2009 A1125 will boot up very
    very slowly, the progress bar finally stalls and it restarts and goes
    into Recovery Disk mode. I just run First Aid on everything, and it goes
    back to normal. Any ideas why this happens?

    FWIW I have Snow Leopard installed on the iMac's HD, and I normally run
    El Capitan on an external SDD (actually I have two of them connected).

    Why are you using such out-of-date hardware and software?

    Seems odd.

    Not everyone can afford nor wants to keep buying the new toys simply
    for the sake of it, especially if their current devices do everything
    they need.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Jul 18 10:13:35 2022
    On 18/07/2022 08:25, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-07-18 07:10:22 +0000, David Brooks said:

    On 18/07/2022 06:03, super70s wrote:
    In article <SlxxK.264003$[email protected]>,
    David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 06/07/2022 19:02, nospam *LIED*!
    the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by
    software that loads when your Mac starts up.

    Safe mode prevents your Mac from loading certain software when it
    starts
    up, including login items, system extensions not required by macOS, and >>>> fonts not installed by macOS. It also does a basic check of your
    startup
    disk, similar to using First Aid in Disk Utility. And it deletes some
    system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache, which
    will be
    created again automatically as needed.

    Safe mode is particularly useful when you're trying to resolve an issue >>>> that doesn't seem to be associated with using a particular app. As
    always, keeping your software up to date is the first step for
    resolving
    any software issues.

    Full details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

    It seems about once every six months my 2009 A1125 will boot up very
    very slowly, the progress bar finally stalls and it restarts and goes
    into Recovery Disk mode. I just run First Aid on everything, and it goes >>> back to normal. Any ideas why this happens?

    FWIW I have Snow Leopard installed on the iMac's HD, and I normally run
    El Capitan on an external SDD (actually I have two of them connected).

    Why are you using such out-of-date hardware and software?

    Seems odd.

    Not everyone can afford nor wants to keep buying the new toys simply for
    the sake of it, especially if their current devices do everything they
    need.

    I well understand what you say. I still have Windows XP running on my
    old Dell Dimension 2400. I wouldn't dream of using it for Internet
    Banking though! ;-)

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Jul 18 10:27:37 2022
    On 18/07/2022 08:25, Your Name wrote:

    Not everyone can afford nor wants to keep buying the new toys simply for
    the sake of it, especially if their current devices do everything they
    need.

    My first Apple computer was the 24 inch model https://support.apple.com/kb/sp507?locale=en_GB
    I purchased it on 4 March 2009

    I recall being frustrated when the 27 inch iMac was launched shortly afterwards!

    I was further frustrated when, having waited for months to upgrade to
    the next macOS version (might have been High Sierra) I discovered that
    my hardware was too old!!!

    It was THAT which decided me to buy a 27 inch iMac - that was about 4.5
    years ago now.

    //What Is The Difference Between Vintage And Obsolete?
    Vintage products are those that have not been sold for more than 5 and
    less than 7 years ago. Mac, iPhone, iPad, iPod, and Apple TV vintage
    products continue to receive hardware service from Apple service
    providers, including Apple Retail Stores, subject to availability of
    inventory, or as required by law.

    Obsolete products are those whose sales were discontinued more than 7
    years ago. Monster-branded Beats products are considered obsolete
    regardless of when they were purchased. Apple has discontinued all
    hardware service for obsolete products, with no exceptions. Service
    providers cannot order parts for obsolete products.//

    Extract from: https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/production-expert-1/2020/5/14/apple-labels-another-block-of-mac-computers-as-vintage-we-explain-why-it-matters

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  • From YK@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Mon Jul 18 13:39:31 2022
    On 7/18/22 3:10 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    On 18/07/2022 06:03, super70s wrote:
    In article <SlxxK.264003$[email protected]>,
      David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 06/07/2022 19:02, nospam *LIED*!
    the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by
    software that loads when your Mac starts up.

    Safe mode prevents your Mac from loading certain software when it starts >>> up, including login items, system extensions not required by macOS, and
    fonts not installed by macOS. It also does a basic check of your startup >>> disk, similar to using First Aid in Disk Utility. And it deletes some
    system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache, which will be >>> created again automatically as needed.

    Safe mode is particularly useful when you're trying to resolve an issue
    that doesn't seem to be associated with using a particular app. As
    always, keeping your software up to date is the first step for resolving >>> any software issues.

    Full details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

    It seems about once every six months my 2009 A1125 will boot up very
    very slowly, the progress bar finally stalls and it restarts and goes
    into Recovery Disk mode. I just run First Aid on everything, and it goes
    back to normal. Any ideas why this happens?

    FWIW I have Snow Leopard installed on the iMac's HD, and I normally run
    El Capitan on an external SDD (actually I have two of them connected).

    Why are you using such out-of-date hardware and software?

    Seems odd.

    What's "odd"?

    Why do you care? We all have our reasons for using what we use.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 18 15:30:47 2022
    In article <tb45sj$fl9$[email protected]>, YK <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 7/18/22 3:10 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    On 18/07/2022 06:03, super70s wrote:
    In article <SlxxK.264003$[email protected]>,
      David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 06/07/2022 19:02, nospam *LIED*!
    the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by
    software that loads when your Mac starts up.

    Safe mode prevents your Mac from loading certain software when it starts >>> up, including login items, system extensions not required by macOS, and >>> fonts not installed by macOS. It also does a basic check of your startup >>> disk, similar to using First Aid in Disk Utility. And it deletes some
    system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache, which will be >>> created again automatically as needed.

    Safe mode is particularly useful when you're trying to resolve an issue >>> that doesn't seem to be associated with using a particular app. As
    always, keeping your software up to date is the first step for resolving >>> any software issues.

    Full details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

    It seems about once every six months my 2009 A1125 will boot up very
    very slowly, the progress bar finally stalls and it restarts and goes
    into Recovery Disk mode. I just run First Aid on everything, and it goes >> back to normal. Any ideas why this happens?

    FWIW I have Snow Leopard installed on the iMac's HD, and I normally run
    El Capitan on an external SDD (actually I have two of them connected).

    Why are you using such out-of-date hardware and software?

    Seems odd.

    What's "odd"?

    Why do you care? We all have our reasons for using what we use.

    Guess I should have known better to bring up older equipment in here in
    the first place.

    He'd really freak if he found out I'm posting this on a Power Mac G4
    running Tiger, lol.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 18 21:56:17 2022
    On 18/07/2022 21:30, super70s wrote:
    In article <tb45sj$fl9$[email protected]>, YK <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 7/18/22 3:10 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    On 18/07/2022 06:03, super70s wrote:
    In article <SlxxK.264003$[email protected]>,
      David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 06/07/2022 19:02, nospam *LIED*!
    the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by >>>>> software that loads when your Mac starts up.

    Safe mode prevents your Mac from loading certain software when it starts >>>>> up, including login items, system extensions not required by macOS, and >>>>> fonts not installed by macOS. It also does a basic check of your startup >>>>> disk, similar to using First Aid in Disk Utility. And it deletes some >>>>> system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache, which will be >>>>> created again automatically as needed.

    Safe mode is particularly useful when you're trying to resolve an issue >>>>> that doesn't seem to be associated with using a particular app. As
    always, keeping your software up to date is the first step for resolving >>>>> any software issues.

    Full details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

    It seems about once every six months my 2009 A1125 will boot up very
    very slowly, the progress bar finally stalls and it restarts and goes
    into Recovery Disk mode. I just run First Aid on everything, and it goes >>>> back to normal. Any ideas why this happens?

    FWIW I have Snow Leopard installed on the iMac's HD, and I normally run >>>> El Capitan on an external SDD (actually I have two of them connected).

    Why are you using such out-of-date hardware and software?

    Seems odd.

    What's "odd"?

    Why do you care? We all have our reasons for using what we use.

    Guess I should have known better to bring up older equipment in here in
    the first place.

    He'd really freak if he found out I'm posting this on a Power Mac G4
    running Tiger, lol.

    I really don't mind WHAT you do, ol' chum, but I firmly recommend that
    you don't use such equipment to undertake Internet banking. It's a
    dangerous place out there!

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 19 11:48:49 2022
    XPost: uk.comp.sys.mac

    On 18/07/2022 18:39, YK wrote:
    On 7/18/22 3:10 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    On 18/07/2022 06:03, super70s wrote:
    In article <SlxxK.264003$[email protected]>,
      David Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 06/07/2022 19:02, nospam *LIED*!
    the person who suggested that has
    no idea what safe mode is even for.

    Safe mode can help you determine whether an issue is being caused by
    software that loads when your Mac starts up.

    Safe mode prevents your Mac from loading certain software when it
    starts
    up, including login items, system extensions not required by macOS, and >>>> fonts not installed by macOS. It also does a basic check of your
    startup
    disk, similar to using First Aid in Disk Utility. And it deletes some
    system caches, including font caches and the kernel cache, which
    will be
    created again automatically as needed.

    Safe mode is particularly useful when you're trying to resolve an issue >>>> that doesn't seem to be associated with using a particular app. As
    always, keeping your software up to date is the first step for
    resolving
    any software issues.

    Full details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

    It seems about once every six months my 2009 A1125 will boot up very
    very slowly, the progress bar finally stalls and it restarts and goes
    into Recovery Disk mode. I just run First Aid on everything, and it goes >>> back to normal. Any ideas why this happens?

    FWIW I have Snow Leopard installed on the iMac's HD, and I normally run
    El Capitan on an external SDD (actually I have two of them connected).

    Why are you using such out-of-date hardware and software?

    Seems odd.

    What's "odd"?

    Why do you care? We all have our reasons for using what we use.

    Perhaps THIS will help you to understand:-

    Copy/paste

    macOS local security is shifting more and more to the iOS model, where
    every application is codesigned, sandboxed and needs to ask for
    permission to access sensitive data. New security layers have been added
    to make it harder for malware that has gained a foothold to compromise
    the user's most sensitive data. Changing the security model of something
    as large and established as macOS is a long process, as it requires many existing parts of the system to be re-examined. For example, creating a security boundary between applications running as the same user is a
    large change from the previous security model.

    CVE-2021-30873 is a process injection vulnerability we reported to Apple
    that affected all macOS applications. This was addressed in the macOS
    Monterey update, but completely fixing this vulnerability requires
    changes to all third-party applications as well. Apple has even changed
    the template for new applications in Xcode to assist developers with this.

    In this talk, we'll explain what a process injection vulnerability is
    and why it can have critical impact on macOS. Then, we'll explain the
    details of this vulnerability, including how to exploit insecure deserialization in macOS. Finally, we will explain how we exploited it
    to escape the macOS sandbox, elevate our privileges to root and bypass SIP.

    https://objectivebythesea.org/v5/talks.html

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