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a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models, *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models, *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models, *0% choice for iPhones*

Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is more functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less
functional by definition)...

And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an important safety feature in a phone during an emergency...

Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory disagree that it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...

Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>

But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>

Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor Apple user.
AUX <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>

In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT

That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT

The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic hardware.
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On 2023-11-17 15:39, Wally J wrote:

Lots of half truths.

a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models, *0% choice for iPhones*

True if you consider phones still available from quite a while ago
(going all the way back to 2001)...

...but not true of you look at phones from the last 5 years.

b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models, *0% choice for iPhones*

Not close to true of phones from the last 5 years.

c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models, *0% choice for iPhones*

Not true for phones from the last 5 years.

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AJL <[email protected]> wrote

For about the same footprint, consider keeping a HAM radio on the
charger.

I do have an Advanced Class ham ticket but haven't used it in years.
Think the Internet spoiled things...

Don't get me wrong, I really liked the neat FM radio you showed.
<https://www.radioddity.com/products/raddy-rf75a>

It's similar in footprint to this radio I got from a neighborhood event.
<https://i.postimg.cc/1zvGYNZt/hamradio.jpg>

I like your FM radio. You need it because your phone OEM saved a few
cents (at your expense) by not providing both the radio & the jack.

I was just clarifying that, in emergencies, HAM is nice in addition to FM.

The Apple iKooks are stupid in that they don't realize Apple lies to them
when Apple claims to care about their emergencies (with SOS subscriptions).

If Apple really cared, they'd let them have FM radio's for free also.
But FM radios would cut into lucrative music-streaming subscriptions.

I live in the boonies in a high fire danger area with windy mountain
roads and with the San Andreas Fault line within eyesight and we
have outages.

While the PG&E power goes out monthly, we only get evacuation orders
once every few decades - but it's going to happen. Again. And again
it will.

I live in a gated retirement community with around 8000 homes (will be
10K on buildout) in a metro area of 6M folks. The power hasn't gone out
in over a year. We live in vastly different settings...

Understood. We are subject to EPSS which is PG&E's way to punish us for
making them go out of business years ago when they burned a whole town.

So now, the power goes out two and three times a month in the dry months (which, in California, is most of the year) but only about once a month on
the winter wet season (which started today, by the way, as it's raining).

Of course every one of us (thousands upon thousands of homes in the
mountains) has a 240VAC generator or two, plus battery backups, etc.

We even have special meters from PG&E that we can hook our generators up _directly_ to the meter when the power goes out. Fancy that from PG&E!

I think they give them to us for free because our power goes out that much
so the CPUC forced them to do it as PG&E has the same attitude as Apple.

As a neighborhood, we went down to the local fire station years ago
to get our HAM radio licenses and each of us is tuned to the same
repeater freq.

In an emergency, the ability for two-way communication can be
important. And it's about the same cost & footprint as your (rather
nice) FM radio.

If you're talking using 2 meter repeaters the handhelds are quite a bit
more than 50 bucks...

I am one person who is not afraid to say I'm ignorant, where you saying
that means you know more than I do and I accept that and learn from you.

The only thing I know about HAM radio is what I needed to learn to pass the test and after that, like you, I forgot about most of it over time.

So you know a lot more than I do as I only did it as a community event
for safety reasons (given we live in the highest fire danger area possible,
and we can see the San Andreas Fault, and our PG&E power goes out two and
three times a week in the dry EPSS periods but only monthly in the winter).

Is my radio any good?

If you look at the picture I provided you, the radios I have are
BAOFENG UV-5R
Are they any good?

The reason I don't know is _everyone_ in the neighborhood has them.
That's many hundreds of people who all have the same HAM radio as I do.

What happened is one HAM enthusiast aficionado long ago sent out a
suggestion we all chip in twenty-five bucks each and that would cover the
radio and the testing - which was why those two radios plus two tests cost
me only fifty bucks (one for my wife and the other for me).

We have sequential federal Id's (ain't that sweet) where I don't remember
them so since they have to be used, I write them on the back of the radio.

Are those BAOFENG UV-5R radios any good?
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Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote

Radio is an area that preppers are keen about. And a keen prepper would
make sure he has a standalone radio that receives at least AM/FM if not
a much wider range of bands. Such radios are often hand crankable to
charge the battery. The whole notion of this in a cell phone is not
fringe, but close to it.

Short version: if it's safety critical - get a dedicated radio.

In the meantime, most popular FM (and AM) stations here (and most
everywhere) stream their content if that is really what one wants.

Personally haven't listened to AM/FM in decades except to test a radio out.

While Apple is the George Santos of the smartphone industry... the iKooks
only have 7 excuses for why the iPhone is easily shown to be crippled.

Basic hardware functionality is *not needed* & *nobody wants it*

And yet, the fact is most current Android phones come with it.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/SQ4XGhFaOgI>

FACT:
a. AUX Jacks are on 75% of current Android models; *0% on current iPhones*
b. FM Radio is on 50% of current Android models; *0% on current iPhones*
c. Portable memory is on 71% of Android models; *0% choice ever on iPhones*

Apple lied when Apple said they care about consumer safety since it's well documented that - in emergencies - it's better to have FM radio than not to have it.

If Apple actually cared about consumer safety, the FM radio would be there.
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Chris <[email protected]> wrote

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/analogue-radio-stations-licence-renewal-ofcom-classic-fm-talksport-a9599071.html

Norway has done and the Swiss will do soon, but other than that no other country has plans.

Apple is like George Santos. What it says it does is not what it does.
*It's the facts that prove them wrong.*
*It's not what they say*
*But what they do*

FACT:

I quoted organizations who provide evidence that shows a phone with the FM radio safety feature is useful in emergencies in ways that a phone without
the FM radio is crippled in. Those are just facts.

FACT:

Another set of facts is most current Android phones have these features.
AUX Jacks are on 75% of current Android models; *0% on current iPhones*
FM Radio is on 50% of Android models; *0% on current iPhones*
Portable memory is on 71% of current Android models; *0% for iPhones*

FACT:

It's simple sensible logic that a phone that has those things is always
going to be more functional than a phone that doesn't have those things.

ASSESSMENT OF FACT:

Apple lied about caring about consumer safety.
If Apple actually cared about safety, the iPhone would have an FM radio.
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Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

Apple is offering its
awesome SOS via satellite service for free

Assuming you're a sensible adult, Jolly Roger, allow me to ask you two
simple questions which require intelligence to answer logically.

Q: Is this "awesome SOS" safety feature expected to be free after
the stated trail period, or will it cost the consumer money?

Q: For the vast majority (apparently almost everyone) who don't wish
to pay for this "awesome SOS" feature, how is it going to benefit them?

HINT: Apple lied.
If Apple actually cared about consumer safety, the iPhone would have FM.
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On 11/18/23 17:02, Wally J wrote:

AJL <[email protected]> wrote

For about the same footprint, consider keeping a HAM radio on the
charger.

I do have an Advanced Class ham ticket but haven't used it in years.
Think the Internet spoiled things...

Don't get me wrong, I really liked the neat FM radio you showed.
<https://www.radioddity.com/products/raddy-rf75a>

It's similar in footprint to this radio I got from a neighborhood event.
<https://i.postimg.cc/1zvGYNZt/hamradio.jpg>

I like your FM radio. You need it because your phone OEM saved a few
cents (at your expense) by not providing both the radio & the jack.

I was just clarifying that, in emergencies, HAM is nice in addition to FM.

Options are definitely nice.

The Apple iKooks are stupid in that they don't realize Apple lies to them when Apple claims to care about their emergencies (with SOS subscriptions).

If Apple really cared, they'd let them have FM radio's for free also.
But FM radios would cut into lucrative music-streaming subscriptions.

I miss the days when they had a FM radio included with the iPod..

I live in the boonies in a high fire danger area with windy mountain
roads and with the San Andreas Fault line within eyesight and we
have outages.

While the PG&E power goes out monthly, we only get evacuation orders
once every few decades - but it's going to happen. Again. And again
it will.

I live in a gated retirement community with around 8000 homes (will be
10K on buildout) in a metro area of 6M folks. The power hasn't gone out
in over a year. We live in vastly different settings...

Understood. We are subject to EPSS which is PG&E's way to punish us for making them go out of business years ago when they burned a whole town.

So now, the power goes out two and three times a month in the dry months (which, in California, is most of the year) but only about once a month on the winter wet season (which started today, by the way, as it's raining).

Of course every one of us (thousands upon thousands of homes in the mountains) has a 240VAC generator or two, plus battery backups, etc.

We even have special meters from PG&E that we can hook our generators up _directly_ to the meter when the power goes out. Fancy that from PG&E!

I think they give them to us for free because our power goes out that much
so the CPUC forced them to do it as PG&E has the same attitude as Apple.

As a neighborhood, we went down to the local fire station years ago
to get our HAM radio licenses and each of us is tuned to the same
repeater freq.

In an emergency, the ability for two-way communication can be
important. And it's about the same cost & footprint as your (rather
nice) FM radio.

If you're talking using 2 meter repeaters the handhelds are quite a bit
more than 50 bucks...

I am one person who is not afraid to say I'm ignorant, where you saying
that means you know more than I do and I accept that and learn from you.

The only thing I know about HAM radio is what I needed to learn to pass the test and after that, like you, I forgot about most of it over time.

At least the test is pretty easy to pass.

So you know a lot more than I do as I only did it as a community event
for safety reasons (given we live in the highest fire danger area possible, and we can see the San Andreas Fault, and our PG&E power goes out two and three times a week in the dry EPSS periods but only monthly in the winter).

Is my radio any good?

If you look at the picture I provided you, the radios I have are
BAOFENG UV-5R
Are they any good?

The reason I don't know is _everyone_ in the neighborhood has them.
That's many hundreds of people who all have the same HAM radio as I do.

What happened is one HAM enthusiast aficionado long ago sent out a
suggestion we all chip in twenty-five bucks each and that would cover the radio and the testing - which was why those two radios plus two tests cost
me only fifty bucks (one for my wife and the other for me).

We have sequential federal Id's (ain't that sweet) where I don't remember them so since they have to be used, I write them on the back of the radio.

Are those BAOFENG UV-5R radios any good?

Well, the BAOFENG stuff works, I guess. I got mine for 30$
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candycanearter07 <[email protected]> wrote

If Apple really cared, they'd let them have FM radio's for free also.
But FM radios would cut into lucrative music-streaming subscriptions.

I miss the days when they had a FM radio included with the iPod..

I have a bunch of iPods, which is when I was first exposed to Apple's shenanigans where to install iTunes made the computer _less_ functional
than to _not install_ iTunes (if you don't understand why, just ask).

It was shocking to me, at that first exposure to the insanely unexpected walled-garden restrictions that you couldn't just copy all the non DRM
songs off of any iPod in the world onto any other iPod in the world.

of course, I solved that problem by uninstalling iTunes, and then I _could_ easily copy every non-DRM song off of any iPod onto the computer and then
onto any other iPod (or even from one iPod to another) at will...

But it was my first exposure to the incredible restrictions that Apple
owners put up with - like sheep led to slaughter - they just give in.

It's kind of the same with FM radio and the loss of the aux jack which
Apple tells its gullible customers they're supposed to feel courageous
about.

And guess what.... they "feel" exactly as Apple tells them to feel.
*Courageous*

As if it's a badge of honor to have a phone functionally crippled such that
it can't do the simplest things that almost every other phone easily does.
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Wally J <[email protected]> wrote:

candycanearter07 <[email protected]> wrote

If Apple really cared, they'd let them have FM radio's for free also.
But FM radios would cut into lucrative music-streaming subscriptions.

I miss the days when they had a FM radio included with the iPod..

I have a bunch of iPods, which is when I was first exposed to Apple's shenanigans where to install iTunes made the computer _less_ functional
than to _not install_ iTunes (if you don't understand why, just ask).

It was shocking to me, at that first exposure to the insanely unexpected walled-garden restrictions that you couldn't just copy all the non DRM
songs off of any iPod in the world onto any other iPod in the world.

of course, I solved that problem by uninstalling iTunes, and then I _could_ easily copy every non-DRM song off of any iPod onto the computer and then onto any other iPod (or even from one iPod to another) at will...

But it was my first exposure to the incredible restrictions that Apple
owners put up with - like sheep led to slaughter - they just give in.

It's kind of the same with FM radio and the loss of the aux jack which
Apple tells its gullible customers they're supposed to feel courageous
about.

And guess what.... they "feel" exactly as Apple tells them to feel.
*Courageous*

As if it's a badge of honor to have a phone functionally crippled such that it can't do the simplest things that almost every other phone easily does.

Bluetooth connection to my car or headphones work. Are you still longing
for Steely Dan?

https://youtu.be/HV3zWSawJiw?si=8bLMFO_ln1I278ob

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candycanearter07 <[email protected]> wrote

If Apple really cared, they'd let them have FM radio's for free also.
But FM radios would cut into lucrative music-streaming subscriptions.

I miss the days when they had a FM radio included with the iPod..

I have a bunch of iPods, which is when I was first exposed to Apple's shenanigans where to install iTunes made the computer _less_ functional
than to _not install_ iTunes (if you don't understand why, just ask).

It was shocking to me, at that first exposure to the insanely unexpected walled-garden restrictions that you couldn't just copy all the non DRM
songs off of any iPod in the world onto any other iPod in the world.

of course, I solved that problem by uninstalling iTunes, and then I _could_ easily copy every non-DRM song off of any iPod onto the computer and then
onto any other iPod (or even from one iPod to another) at will...

But it was my first exposure to the incredible restrictions that Apple
owners put up with - like sheep led to slaughter - they just give in.

It's kind of the same with FM radio and the loss of the aux jack which
Apple tells its gullible customers they're supposed to feel courageous
about.

As if it's a badge of honor to have a phone so functionally crippled that
it can't do the simplest things that almost every other phone easily does.
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*Hemidactylus* <[email protected]d> wrote

As if it's a badge of honor to have a phone functionally crippled such that >> it can't do the simplest things that almost every other phone easily does.

Bluetooth connection to my car or headphones work. Are you still longing
for Steely Dan?

https://youtu.be/HV3zWSawJiw?si=8bLMFO_ln1I278ob

Hi Hemidactylus,

I always make well-reasoned sensible logical assessments from the facts.

Hence, thank you for your reference to that Youtube music m4a file titled
"Steely Dan - FM (No Static At All)"
(which I easily ripped to Android using a GUI that is impossible on iOS).
<https://i.postimg.cc/4y1hNBs5/newpipe06.jpg> D/l video & rip audio>

SIDENOTE: You can't do that on iOS - nor can you do 1/2 of what I can do.

In the end of this analysis of your comment, I will ask you the scariest question you have ever heard, Hemidactylus. It will frighten you to no end because that simple question exposes your entire belief system wide open.

I study you strange people but I don't know you as well as I do Jolly Roger
and Alan Browne (as Snit & Alan Baker & Rod Speed are all in my killfile).

You are gloating that you figured out a way to overcome that Apple punched
you in the gut by removing basic hardware functionality all other phones
had at the time (which most Android phones still have as 3/4ths is a lot of
new phones with the aux jack, is it not).

The only Android phones which removed the industry standard basic
functionality were those trying to copy Apple's marketing strategy.

Which means two things that you need to know, Hemidactylus:
1. Android owners have plenty of choice
2. You don't. (i.e., you're fucked)

To put it in blunt terms, Apple fucked you.
Apple told you to feel "courageous" about being fucked by Apple.
And you do feel courageous, now don't you.

I see from your strange post that you feel "courageous" that you have
overcome the punch-in-the-gut removal of the basic functionality.

That's great.
But here's the question which you can't answer because the answer scares
you so much that you no longer feel "courageous" answering this question.

Q: *What does your phone do that a phone with an aux jack can't do?*
A: ?
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