If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is more functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an important safety feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory disagree that it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor Apple user.
AUX <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic hardware.
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an important
safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory disagree
that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to
today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this
standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency
feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard AUX
jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important portable-memory
slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic
hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple
from an Apple fan.
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% unfortunately. <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
On 2023-11-19, Alan Browne <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-11-19 11:44, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-11-19, Wally J <[email protected]> wrote:
This is what's so very strange about the Apple iKooks
In a real emergency, you will be frantic to be using that wired headphone.
Not having the radio is like not having a flashlight when you need it. >>>
"People who aren't scared shitless of society breaking down 24/7 to the >> extent that theypitch a shit fit if their smartphones don't have FM
radio capability are iKooks, y'all. #IAmVerySmart!" 🤡
You would think they'd go 🍌🍌🍌 over their Android phones not having an
AM radio built in - that's much more useful in an emergency as the transmission range is typically higher - notably at night.
"No, that's different." 🤡
Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that cover several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged with the built in crank.
Many preppers have transmitters too.
Oh my! Did you see what I wrote there?
The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than the built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth! How will they survive when the SHTF!?!?
(It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally).
Not surprisingly so.
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is more >>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an important
safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to
today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this
standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency
feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard
AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important portable-memory
slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor Apple
user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another
reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic
hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy
an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with
Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all of
the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The
entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in resolutions
ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple devices
like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing back 192/24 bit ALAC
which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot.
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an important
safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to
today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this
standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency
feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard AUX
jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important portable-memory
slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor Apple
user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another
reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic
hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy
an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with
Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The entire Apple
Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in resolutions ranging from
16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
On 11/22/2023 12:57 PM, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will... >>>>>
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is more >>>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less >>>>> functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to
today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this
standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency
feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard
AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor Apple
user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another
reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic
hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to
buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best
music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate
gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all of
the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The
entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in resolutions
ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple devices
like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE REQUIRED
for maximum performance with headphones while playing back 192/24 bit
ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does support that
with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot.
Further more intelligent people realize the bluetooth codec Apple uses
to connect to its devices is just plain crude. Airpods Max do not
support AptXHD or other advanced codecs and sound like crap compared to capable headphones like B and W PX8s. Its obvious Alan has absolutely ZERO audio background.
maximum performance with headphones while playing back 192/24 bit ALAC
which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot.
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is more >>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an important
safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to
today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this
standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency
feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard
AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important portable-memory
slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor Apple
user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another
reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic
hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy
an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with
Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all of
the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The
entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in resolutions
ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple devices
like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing back 192/24 bit ALAC
which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot.
On 2023-11-22 13:02, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 12:57 PM, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will... >>>>>>
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is
more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less >>>>>> functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to >>>>>> today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this
standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency
feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard
AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another >>>>>> reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic
hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but
iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you
have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get
the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a
legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all of
the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The
entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in resolutions
ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple
devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE
REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing back
192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does
support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot.
Further more intelligent people realize the bluetooth codec Apple uses
to connect to its devices is just plain crude. Airpods Max do not
support AptXHD or other advanced codecs and sound like crap compared
to capable headphones like B and W PX8s. Its obvious Alan has
absolutely ZERO audio background.
Your claim was that:
'Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it.'
And nothing you've replied with supports that claim, whereas my quote
utterly refutes it.
On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will... >>>>>
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is more >>>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less >>>>> functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to
today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this
standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency
feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard
AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor Apple
user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another
reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic
hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to
buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best
music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate
gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all of
the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The
entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in resolutions
ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple devices
like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE REQUIRED
for maximum performance with headphones while playing back 192/24 bit
ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does support that
with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot.
Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will... >>>>>>
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is
more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less >>>>>> functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to >>>>>> today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this
standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency
feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard
AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another >>>>>> reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic
hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but
iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you
have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get
the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a
legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all of
the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The
entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in resolutions
ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple
devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE
REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing back
192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does
support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot.
Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a way to
get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot. Android products do.
On 11/22/2023 1:54 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 13:02, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 12:57 PM, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will... >>>>>>>
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is >>>>>>> more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less >>>>>>> functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019
to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this >>>>>>> standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency >>>>>>> feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard >>>>>>> AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices): >>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore >>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic >>>>>>> hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits
but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore
you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to
get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a >>>>>> legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all
of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC).
The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in resolutions
ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple
devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE
REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing back
192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does
support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot. >>>
Further more intelligent people realize the bluetooth codec Apple
uses to connect to its devices is just plain crude. Airpods Max do
not support AptXHD or other advanced codecs and sound like crap
compared to capable headphones like B and W PX8s. Its obvious Alan
has absolutely ZERO audio background.
Your claim was that:
'Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it.'
And nothing you've replied with supports that claim, whereas my quote
utterly refutes it.
You are an idiot. I am referring to the ability to get lossless support
to the headphones.
Apple codecs do NOT support transfer of lossless.
Apple provides only a crude bluetooth capability. To get true high
fidelity to the headphones requires AptX HD or something better OTHER
than Apples Bluetooth. My FIIO player can take the lossless 192/24 bit
from Apple Music and get it LOSSLESSLY to the the headphones. Which are something other than Apple products which do not support it.
On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing will... >>>>>>>
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack is >>>>>>> more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is less >>>>>>> functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019
to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this >>>>>>> standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency >>>>>>> feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard >>>>>>> AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices): >>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore >>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic >>>>>>> hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits
but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore
you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to
get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a >>>>>> legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all
of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC).
The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in resolutions
ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple
devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE
REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing back
192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does
support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot. >>>
Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a way to
get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot. Android products do.
I don't have to prove it.
Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll quote it
for you in its entirety:
'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple
from an Apple fan.'
Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
:-)
On 2023-11-22 14:27, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 1:54 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 13:02, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 12:57 PM, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing
will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack >>>>>>>> is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is >>>>>>>> less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices... >>>>>>>>
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 >>>>>>>> to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet
this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices): >>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore >>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic >>>>>>>> hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits >>>>>>> but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore >>>>>>> you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to >>>>>>> get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a >>>>>>> legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all
of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC).
The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in
resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple
devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE
REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing back
192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does
support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot. >>>>
Further more intelligent people realize the bluetooth codec Apple
uses to connect to its devices is just plain crude. Airpods Max do >>>> not support AptXHD or other advanced codecs and sound like crap
compared to capable headphones like B and W PX8s. Its obvious Alan >>>> has absolutely ZERO audio background.
Your claim was that:
'Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it.'
And nothing you've replied with supports that claim, whereas my quote
utterly refutes it.
You are an idiot. I am referring to the ability to get lossless
support to the headphones.
Then you should have said that.
Apple codecs do NOT support transfer of lossless. Apple provides
only a crude bluetooth capability. To get true high fidelity to the
headphones requires AptX HD or something better OTHER than Apples
Bluetooth. My FIIO player can take the lossless 192/24 bit from Apple
Music and get it LOSSLESSLY to the the headphones. Which are
something other than Apple products which do not support it.
So when you said that the IPHONE did not support 192/24 lossless...
...you were just wrong...
...twice.
Once for making the claim.
Again, for not clearly stating what you now claim you meant.
More lies. The iphone DOES NOT support lossless music because it has
no way to get audio to the headphones by something other than lossy bluetooth.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but
iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
On 11/22/2023 2:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:27, John wrote:More lies. The iphone DOES NOT support lossless music because it has
On 11/22/2023 1:54 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 13:02, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 12:57 PM, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:Bzzzzzzt.
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing >>>>>>>>> will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack >>>>>>>>> is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is >>>>>>>>> less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory >>>>>>>>> disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices... >>>>>>>>>
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 >>>>>>>>> to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet >>>>>>>>> this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% >>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor >>>>>>>>> Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices): >>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore >>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks
basic hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan. >>>>>>>
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all >>>>>>> of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio >>>>>>> compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). >>>>>>> The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in
resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple
devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE >>>>>> REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing
back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player
does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking
better. A lot.
Further more intelligent people realize the bluetooth codec Apple
uses to connect to its devices is just plain crude. Airpods Max
do not support AptXHD or other advanced codecs and sound like crap
compared to capable headphones like B and W PX8s. Its obvious
Alan has absolutely ZERO audio background.
Your claim was that:
'Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but
iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.'
And nothing you've replied with supports that claim, whereas my
quote utterly refutes it.
You are an idiot. I am referring to the ability to get lossless
support to the headphones.
Then you should have said that.
Apple codecs do NOT support transfer of lossless. Apple provides
only a crude bluetooth capability. To get true high fidelity to the
headphones requires AptX HD or something better OTHER than Apples
Bluetooth. My FIIO player can take the lossless 192/24 bit from
Apple Music and get it LOSSLESSLY to the the headphones. Which are
something other than Apple products which do not support it.
So when you said that the IPHONE did not support 192/24 lossless...
...you were just wrong...
...twice.
Once for making the claim.
Again, for not clearly stating what you now claim you meant.
no way to get audio to the headphones by something other than lossy bluetooth.
John <[email protected]> wrote
More lies. The iphone DOES NOT support lossless music because it has
no way to get audio to the headphones by something other than lossy
bluetooth.
You may need to understand two things about Alan Baker to understand him.
a. He's an idiot (truly - like none you've ever met before).
(As an example, he claims to be a 'racer' and 'teacher' and to
own BMWs, and yet he doesn't even know what BMWs are called in
all racing circuits and by people who know the vehicle brand.
On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing
will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack >>>>>>>> is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is >>>>>>>> less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices... >>>>>>>>
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 >>>>>>>> to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet
this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices): >>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore >>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic >>>>>>>> hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits >>>>>>> but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore >>>>>>> you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to >>>>>>> get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a >>>>>>> legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all
of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC).
The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in
resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple
devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE
REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing back
192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player does
support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot. >>>>
Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a way to
get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot. Android products do.
I don't have to prove it.
Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll quote
it for you in its entirety:
'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy
an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with
Apple from an Apple fan.'
Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
:-)
It is completely accurate. Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it. As the iPhone
uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily understandable unless one is an idiot.
the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
headphonesi
Completely accurate statement
idiot.
On 2023-11-22, John <[email protected]> wrote:
the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
headphonesi
Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually incorrect post.
Completely accurate statement
Nope. Mostly false statement based on a qualifier you failed to mention.
idiot.
Projection.
On 2023-11-22 14:52, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 2:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:27, John wrote:More lies. The iphone DOES NOT support lossless music because it
On 11/22/2023 1:54 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 13:02, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 12:57 PM, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:Bzzzzzzt.
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing >>>>>>>>>> will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for >>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack >>>>>>>>>> is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone >>>>>>>>>> is less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an >>>>>>>>>> important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory >>>>>>>>>> disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices... >>>>>>>>>>
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from >>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet >>>>>>>>>> this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% >>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor >>>>>>>>>> Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices): >>>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet >>>>>>>>>> another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore >>>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks >>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 >>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple >>>>>>>>> Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan. >>>>>>>>
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves
all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless >>>>>>>> audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec >>>>>>>> (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in >>>>>>>> resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios> >>>>>>>>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple
devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which
ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO >>>>>>> player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot
fucking better. A lot.
Further more intelligent people realize the bluetooth codec Apple
uses to connect to its devices is just plain crude. Airpods Max >>>>>> do not support AptXHD or other advanced codecs and sound like crap >>>>>> compared to capable headphones like B and W PX8s. Its obvious
Alan has absolutely ZERO audio background.
Your claim was that:
'Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but
iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.'
And nothing you've replied with supports that claim, whereas my
quote utterly refutes it.
You are an idiot. I am referring to the ability to get lossless
support to the headphones.
Then you should have said that.
Apple codecs do NOT support transfer of lossless. Apple provides
only a crude bluetooth capability. To get true high fidelity to the
headphones requires AptX HD or something better OTHER than Apples
Bluetooth. My FIIO player can take the lossless 192/24 bit from
Apple Music and get it LOSSLESSLY to the the headphones. Which are
something other than Apple products which do not support it.
So when you said that the IPHONE did not support 192/24 lossless...
...you were just wrong...
...twice.
Once for making the claim.
Again, for not clearly stating what you now claim you meant.
has no way to get audio to the headphones by something other than
lossy bluetooth.
How about wired earbuds?
'You can listen to lossless on an iPhone or iPad updated to the latest version of iOS or iPadOS using:
A wired connection to headphones, receivers, or powered speakers'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT212183>
Ooops: wrong again!
On 2023-11-22 14:51, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:Bzzzzzzt.
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing >>>>>>>>> will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack >>>>>>>>> is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is >>>>>>>>> less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory >>>>>>>>> disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices... >>>>>>>>>
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 >>>>>>>>> to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet >>>>>>>>> this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% >>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor >>>>>>>>> Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices): >>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore >>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks
basic hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan. >>>>>>>
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all >>>>>>> of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio >>>>>>> compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). >>>>>>> The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in
resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple
devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE >>>>>> REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing
back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO player
does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking
better. A lot.
Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a way
to get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot. Android products >>>> do.
I don't have to prove it.
Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll quote
it for you in its entirety:
'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy
an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with
Apple from an Apple fan.'
Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
:-)
It is completely accurate. Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but Apple
products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it. As the iPhone
uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external headphones.
Completely accurate statement and easily understandable unless one is
an idiot.
Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
That's just a fact.
Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the same thing.
On 11/22/2023 3:31 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:52, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 2:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:27, John wrote:More lies. The iphone DOES NOT support lossless music because it
On 11/22/2023 1:54 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 13:02, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 12:57 PM, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing >>>>>>>>>>> will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for >>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX >>>>>>>>>>> jack is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone >>>>>>>>>>> is less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an >>>>>>>>>>> important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory >>>>>>>>>>> disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices... >>>>>>>>>>>
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from >>>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet >>>>>>>>>>> this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the >>>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% >>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor >>>>>>>>>>> Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple
choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet >>>>>>>>>>> another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to >>>>>>>>>>> ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks >>>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio >>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 >>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. >>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based >>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple >>>>>>>>>> Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple >>>>>>>>>> fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves >>>>>>>>> all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless >>>>>>>>> audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec >>>>>>>>> (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in >>>>>>>>> resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios> >>>>>>>>>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple >>>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which >>>>>>>> ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My
FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot >>>>>>>> fucking better. A lot.
Further more intelligent people realize the bluetooth codec Apple >>>>>>> uses to connect to its devices is just plain crude. Airpods Max >>>>>>> do not support AptXHD or other advanced codecs and sound like
crap compared to capable headphones like B and W PX8s. Its
obvious Alan has absolutely ZERO audio background.
Your claim was that:
'Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but
iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.'
And nothing you've replied with supports that claim, whereas my
quote utterly refutes it.
You are an idiot. I am referring to the ability to get lossless
support to the headphones.
Then you should have said that.
Apple codecs do NOT support transfer of lossless. Apple providesSo when you said that the IPHONE did not support 192/24 lossless...
only a crude bluetooth capability. To get true high fidelity to
the headphones requires AptX HD or something better OTHER than
Apples Bluetooth. My FIIO player can take the lossless 192/24 bit
from Apple Music and get it LOSSLESSLY to the the headphones.
Which are something other than Apple products which do not support it. >>>>
...you were just wrong...
...twice.
Once for making the claim.
Again, for not clearly stating what you now claim you meant.
has no way to get audio to the headphones by something other than
lossy bluetooth.
How about wired earbuds?
'You can listen to lossless on an iPhone or iPad updated to the latest
version of iOS or iPadOS using:
A wired connection to headphones, receivers, or powered speakers'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT212183>
Ooops: wrong again!
With Android you can listen to lossless from Apple Music App with
WIRELESS headphones. You truly are an idiot.
On 11/22/2023 4:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-11-22, John <[email protected]> wrote:Nobody uses wired headphones any more. I assumed a certain minimum level of technical competence. Even using wired headphones the iphone supports only 48k not 192 k. So my statement was completely accurate.
the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
headphonesi
Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
incorrect post.
Completely accurate statement
Nope. Mostly false statement based on a qualifier you failed to mention.
idiot.
Projection.
With Android I can get 192/24 bit to wireless headphones from the
Apple Music Android App. Thats a fact. The improved sound quality is incredible,.
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.
On 11/22/2023 3:41 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:51, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:Bzzzzzzt.
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing >>>>>>>>>> will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for >>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack >>>>>>>>>> is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone >>>>>>>>>> is less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an >>>>>>>>>> important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory >>>>>>>>>> disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices... >>>>>>>>>>
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from >>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet >>>>>>>>>> this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% >>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor >>>>>>>>>> Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices): >>>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet >>>>>>>>>> another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore >>>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks >>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 >>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple >>>>>>>>> Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan. >>>>>>>>
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves
all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless >>>>>>>> audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec >>>>>>>> (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in >>>>>>>> resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios> >>>>>>>>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple
devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which
ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My FIIO >>>>>>> player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot
fucking better. A lot.
Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a way
to get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot. Android
products do.
I don't have to prove it.
Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll quote
it for you in its entirety:
'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to
buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best
music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate
gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.'
Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
:-)
It is completely accurate. Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but Apple
products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it. As the
iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external headphones.
Completely accurate statement and easily understandable unless one is
an idiot.
Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
That's just a fact.
Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the same
thing.
IPhones support up to only 48 K moron. Read your own Apple support link.
On 2023-11-22 21:39, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 4:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-11-22, John <[email protected]> wrote:Nobody uses wired headphones any more. I assumed a certain minimum
the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
headphonesi
Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
incorrect post.
Completely accurate statement
Nope. Mostly false statement based on a qualifier you failed to mention. >>>
idiot.
Projection.
level of technical competence. Even using wired headphones the iphone
supports only 48k not 192 k. So my statement was completely
accurate. With Android I can get 192/24 bit to wireless headphones
from the Apple Music Android App. Thats a fact. The improved sound
quality is incredible,.
'To listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz, you need an
external digital-to-analog converter'
Wrong again!
On 2023-11-22 21:35, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 3:41 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:51, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing >>>>>>>>>>> will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for >>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX >>>>>>>>>>> jack is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone >>>>>>>>>>> is less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an >>>>>>>>>>> important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory >>>>>>>>>>> disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices... >>>>>>>>>>>
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from >>>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet >>>>>>>>>>> this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the >>>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% >>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor >>>>>>>>>>> Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple
choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet >>>>>>>>>>> another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to >>>>>>>>>>> ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks >>>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio >>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 >>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. >>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based >>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple >>>>>>>>>> Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple >>>>>>>>>> fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves >>>>>>>>> all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless >>>>>>>>> audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec >>>>>>>>> (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in >>>>>>>>> resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios> >>>>>>>>>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple >>>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which >>>>>>>> ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My
FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot >>>>>>>> fucking better. A lot.
Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a way >>>>>> to get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot. Android
products do.
I don't have to prove it.
Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll
quote it for you in its entirety:
'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits
but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore
you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to
get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a
legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.'
Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
:-)
It is completely accurate. Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but
Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it. As
the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily understandable
unless one is an idiot.
Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
That's just a fact.
Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the same
thing.
IPhones support up to only 48 K moron. Read your own Apple support link.
No. You just need to use an external D/A converter....
...so maybe YOU should read.
:-)
On 11/22/2023 9:57 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 21:35, John wrote:Android does NOT require an external D/A converter. Once again you keep making excuses for inferior Apple implementation for audio on a very expensive iPhone. Yeah if you do this, dot that and spend 5 times as
On 11/22/2023 3:41 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:51, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing >>>>>>>>>>>> will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for >>>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX >>>>>>>>>>>> jack is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone >>>>>>>>>>>> is less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an >>>>>>>>>>>> important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable >>>>>>>>>>>> memory disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices... >>>>>>>>>>>>
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from >>>>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet >>>>>>>>>>>> this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio >>>>>>>>>>>> emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the >>>>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% >>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the >>>>>>>>>>>> poor Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple >>>>>>>>>>>> choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet >>>>>>>>>>>> another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to >>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks >>>>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio >>>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 >>>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. >>>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based >>>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple >>>>>>>>>>> Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple >>>>>>>>>>> fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves >>>>>>>>>> all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless >>>>>>>>>> audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec >>>>>>>>>> (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC >>>>>>>>>> in resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to >>>>>>>>>> 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios> >>>>>>>>>>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple >>>>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which >>>>>>>>> ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My >>>>>>>>> FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot >>>>>>>>> fucking better. A lot.
Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a
way to get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot. Android >>>>>>> products do.
I don't have to prove it.
Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll
quote it for you in its entirety:
'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits
but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore
you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to
get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a >>>>>> legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.'
Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
:-)
It is completely accurate. Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but
Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it. As
the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily understandable
unless one is an idiot.
Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
That's just a fact.
Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the same
thing.
IPhones support up to only 48 K moron. Read your own Apple support
link.
No. You just need to use an external D/A converter....
...so maybe YOU should read.
:-)
much you might be able to get as good sound as you can from a cheap
Android device. Be honest with yourself- isn't the Apple
implementation of audio weak?
On 2023-11-22 22:35, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 9:57 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 21:35, John wrote:Android does NOT require an external D/A converter. Once again you
On 11/22/2023 3:41 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:51, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, >>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing will...
a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones* >>>>>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX >>>>>>>>>>>>> jack is more
functional than a phone without it (as without it, the >>>>>>>>>>>>> phone is less
functional by definition)...
And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an >>>>>>>>>>>>> important safety
feature in a phone during an emergency...
Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable >>>>>>>>>>>>> memory disagree that
it's a very handy way to privately move data between >>>>>>>>>>>>> devices...
Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models >>>>>>>>>>>>> meet this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio >>>>>>>>>>>>> emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the >>>>>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important >>>>>>>>>>>>> portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5% unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
Compare those choices Android users have to those of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> poor Apple user.
AUX
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT
That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>> choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT
The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet >>>>>>>>>>>>> another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks >>>>>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio >>>>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 >>>>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. >>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based >>>>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from >>>>>>>>>>>> an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves >>>>>>>>>>> all of the original data. Apple has developed its own
lossless audio compression technology called Apple Lossless >>>>>>>>>>> Audio Codec (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded >>>>>>>>>>> using ALAC in resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD >>>>>>>>>>> Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios> >>>>>>>>>>>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. Apple >>>>>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which >>>>>>>>>> ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while >>>>>>>>>> playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides. My >>>>>>>>>> FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a >>>>>>>>>> lot fucking better. A lot.
Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a >>>>>>>> way to get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot. Android >>>>>>>> products do.
I don't have to prove it.
Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll
quote it for you in its entirety:
'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits >>>>>>> but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore >>>>>>> you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to >>>>>>> get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a >>>>>>> legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.'
Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
:-)
It is completely accurate. Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but
Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it. As >>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily
understandable unless one is an idiot.
Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
That's just a fact.
Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the same
thing.
IPhones support up to only 48 K moron. Read your own Apple support
link.
No. You just need to use an external D/A converter....
...so maybe YOU should read.
:-)
keep making excuses for inferior Apple implementation for audio on a
very expensive iPhone. Yeah if you do this, dot that and spend 5
times as much you might be able to get as good sound as you can from a
cheap Android device. Be honest with yourself- isn't the Apple
implementation of audio weak?
Again, you keep making excuses for you being wrong.
[aka troll Arlen claims]
A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
nobody uses wired headphones anymore…
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:42:25 AM UTC-5, John wrote:
[aka troll Arlen claims]
A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
nobody uses wired headphones anymore…
There’s more people still using wired headphones than who care about “lossless” bit rates. Especially for the age 50+ audience (a more affluent
& wiser demographic).
-hh
On 11/23/23 9:15 AM, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:42:25 AM UTC-5, John wrote:
[aka troll Arlen claims]
A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
nobody uses wired headphones anymore…
There’s more people still using wired headphones than who care about “lossless” bit rates. Especially for the age 50+ audience (a more affluent
& wiser demographic).
How do you use a wired headphone with a iPhone 15 Pro Max? It has a
USB-C data port.
You would then need to connect a D/A convertor to that.
On 11/23/23 9:15 AM, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:42:25 AM UTC-5, John wrote:
[aka troll Arlen claims]
A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
nobody uses wired headphones anymore…
There’s more people still using wired headphones than who care about
“lossless” bit rates. Especially for the age 50+ audience (a more
affluent
& wiser demographic).
-hh
How do you use a wired headphone with a iPhone 15 Pro Max? It has a
USB-C data port. You would then need to connect a D/A convertor to that.
On 11/22/2023 10:59 PM, Alan wrote:
Android does NOT require an external D/A converter. Once again youOne area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio >>>>>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not >>>>>>>>>>>>> support it. Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or >>>>>>>>>>>>> Android based music player to get the best music high >>>>>>>>>>>>> fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe >>>>>>>>>>>>> with Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that
preserves all of the original data. Apple has developed its >>>>>>>>>>>> own lossless audio compression technology called Apple >>>>>>>>>>>> Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog >>>>>>>>>>>> is encoded using ALAC in resolutions ranging from
16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios> >>>>>>>>>>>>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.
Apple devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like
AptxHD which ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with
headphones while playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple >>>>>>>>>>> Music provides. My FIIO player does support that with Apple >>>>>>>>>>> Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot.
Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a >>>>>>>>> way to get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot. Android >>>>>>>>> products do.
I don't have to prove it.
Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll >>>>>>>> quote it for you in its entirety:
'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.' >>>>>>>>
Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
:-)
It is completely accurate. Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but >>>>>>> Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it. As >>>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily
understandable unless one is an idiot.
Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
That's just a fact.
Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the
same thing.
IPhones support up to only 48 K moron. Read your own Apple support >>>>> link.
No. You just need to use an external D/A converter....
...so maybe YOU should read.
:-)
keep making excuses for inferior Apple implementation for audio on a
very expensive iPhone. Yeah if you do this, dot that and spend 5
times as much you might be able to get as good sound as you can from
a cheap Android device. Be honest with yourself- isn't the Apple
implementation of audio weak?
Again, you keep making excuses for you being wrong.
You are the one proven wrong. You had to add an external D/A converter.
I specifically stated an iPhone 15. Intelligent people realize that means the discussion was limited to Apple phone versus Android phone and
that external equipment to allow Apple to equal Android performance was
not part of that. Never the less you provided good information proving Apple iPhone by itself cannot equal Android audio performance- of course proving my original assertion.
On 11/22/2023 4:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-11-22, John <[email protected]> wrote:Nobody uses wired headphones any more.
the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
headphonesi
Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
incorrect post.
Completely accurate statement
Nope. Mostly false statement based on a qualifier you failed to
mention.
idiot.
Projection.
I assumed a certain minimum level of technical competence.
On 2023-11-23 09:54, John wrote:
On 11/23/23 9:15 AM, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:42:25 AM UTC-5, John wrote:
[aka troll Arlen claims]
A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
nobody uses wired headphones anymore…
There’s more people still using wired headphones than who care about
“lossless” bit rates. Especially for the age 50+ audience (a more
affluent
& wiser demographic).
-hh
How do you use a wired headphone with a iPhone 15 Pro Max? It has a
USB-C data port. You would then need to connect a D/A convertor to that.
Or just buy headphones with the DAC built in:
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V?th=1>
Funny how the technical "competent" didn't know that, huh?
On 11/23/2023 10:26 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-23 09:54, John wrote:
On 11/23/23 9:15 AM, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:42:25 AM UTC-5, John wrote:
[aka troll Arlen claims]
A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
nobody uses wired headphones anymore…
There’s more people still using wired headphones than who care about >>>> “lossless” bit rates. Especially for the age 50+ audience (a more >>>> affluent
& wiser demographic).
-hh
How do you use a wired headphone with a iPhone 15 Pro Max? It has a
USB-C data port. You would then need to connect a D/A convertor to
that.
Or just buy headphones with the DAC built in:
<https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V?th=1>
Funny how the technical "competent" didn't know that, huh?
No I did know that. And if the DAC is built into the headphones than
you are STILL connecting a DAC to the iPhone. Give it up you are a
dumbass.
On 2023-11-22 23:05, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 10:59 PM, Alan wrote:
Android does NOT require an external D/A converter. Once again youOne area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless >>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it. Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android based music player to get the best music high >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Apple from an Apple fan.
Bzzzzzzt.
'Lossless compression is a form of compression that
preserves all of the original data. Apple has developed its >>>>>>>>>>>>> own lossless audio compression technology called Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog >>>>>>>>>>>>> is encoded using ALAC in resolutions ranging from
16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
You were saying?
I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever. >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like >>>>>>>>>>>> AptxHD which ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with >>>>>>>>>>>> headphones while playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple >>>>>>>>>>>> Music provides. My FIIO player does support that with Apple >>>>>>>>>>>> Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot.
Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a >>>>>>>>>> way to get wireless audio to headphones. You cannot.
Android products do.
I don't have to prove it.
Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll >>>>>>>>> quote it for you in its entirety:
'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio >>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 >>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple >>>>>>>>> Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple >>>>>>>>> fan.'
Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
:-)
It is completely accurate. Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but >>>>>>>> Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it.
As the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external >>>>>>>> headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily
understandable unless one is an idiot.
Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
That's just a fact.
Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the
same thing.
IPhones support up to only 48 K moron. Read your own Apple
support link.
No. You just need to use an external D/A converter....
...so maybe YOU should read.
:-)
keep making excuses for inferior Apple implementation for audio on a
very expensive iPhone. Yeah if you do this, dot that and spend 5
times as much you might be able to get as good sound as you can from
a cheap Android device. Be honest with yourself- isn't the Apple
implementation of audio weak?
Again, you keep making excuses for you being wrong.
You are the one proven wrong. You had to add an external D/A
converter. I specifically stated an iPhone 15. Intelligent people
realize that means the discussion was limited to Apple phone versus
Android phone and that external equipment to allow Apple to equal
Android performance was not part of that. Never the less you provided
good information proving Apple iPhone by itself cannot equal Android
audio performance- of course proving my original assertion.
The discussion was originally about what the iPhone 15 ITSELF supported:
"Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it."
That was your claim, and it is FALSE.
On 11/23/2023 10:20 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2023-11-22 23:05, John wrote:
On 11/22/2023 10:59 PM, Alan wrote:
One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it. Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android based music player to get the best music high >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
You are the one proven wrong. You had to add an external D/A
converter. I specifically stated an iPhone 15. Intelligent people
realize that means the discussion was limited to Apple phone versus
Android phone and that external equipment to allow Apple to equal
Android performance was not part of that. Never the less you
provided good information proving Apple iPhone by itself cannot equal
Android audio performance- of course proving my original assertion.
The discussion was originally about what the iPhone 15 ITSELF supported:
"Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
15 Pro and other models do not support it."
That was your claim, and it is FALSE.
No it is not. I mentioned iPhone itself. By itself you dumb moron.
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