• SCCBC April races

    From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 25 09:19:39 2022
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results. Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Mon Apr 25 12:50:34 2022
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results. Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I
    need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I
    didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a
    relatively timely manner.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Apr 25 19:34:08 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results. Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.
    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I
    need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I
    didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a
    relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Apr 26 10:58:21 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.
    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    -hh

    Don't wreck anything!

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Apr 26 10:37:34 2022
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I
    need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a
    relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Apr 26 13:03:20 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:58:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    Don't wreck anything!

    Not talking about wrecks at all, but just the prospects of correctly replacing old OEM textiles.

    For wrecks, they can often take months even without supply chain issues, because of the
    work it can involve, especially done right. Earlier this month, I happened to be over at the shop
    when a PCA track car was returning from having major work done. Despite being a glass-out
    roller, one couldn't casually tell that last fall, it had left the track at 120mph, and the onboard
    telemetry said that he was still doing 70mph when he hit a barrier. A mere six months and
    a couple of Honda's worth of cash. Plus probably another ~3 weeks to go, to get the rest of
    it put back together, so they missed Tech Inspection on 4/11 for this season's first race. TI for
    the next race (Mid-Ohio) isn't until 9 May, so IMO he has a good chance of it being ready in time.
    Of course track cars often have stripped interiors, so no need to wait for a headliner <g>.


    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue Apr 26 18:44:14 2022
    On 2022-04-26 6:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:03:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:58:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I >>>>>> need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I >>>>>> didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a
    relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    Don't wreck anything!

    Not talking about wrecks at all, but just the prospects of correctly replacing old OEM textiles.

    For wrecks, they can often take months even without supply chain issues, because of the
    work it can involve, especially done right. Earlier this month, I happened to be over at the shop
    when a PCA track car was returning from having major work done. Despite being a glass-out
    roller, one couldn't casually tell that last fall, it had left the track at 120mph, and the onboard
    telemetry said that he was still doing 70mph when he hit a barrier. A mere six months and
    a couple of Honda's worth of cash. Plus probably another ~3 weeks to go, to get the rest of
    it put back together, so they missed Tech Inspection on 4/11 for this season's first race. TI for
    the next race (Mid-Ohio) isn't until 9 May, so IMO he has a good chance of it being ready in time.
    Of course track cars often have stripped interiors, so no need to wait for a headliner <g>.


    -hh

    https://getjerry.com/insights/supply-chain-problems-causing-whole-new-set-problems-auto-industry

    Squares with what I'm hearing from a friend or two.

    Another problem complicating our season in particular is that our
    preferred tire supplier suffered a fire at one of their plants and they
    decided that the tires we use could be dropped at least for the moment.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Apr 26 18:26:10 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:03:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:58:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I
    need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    Don't wreck anything!

    Not talking about wrecks at all, but just the prospects of correctly replacing old OEM textiles.

    For wrecks, they can often take months even without supply chain issues, because of the
    work it can involve, especially done right. Earlier this month, I happened to be over at the shop
    when a PCA track car was returning from having major work done. Despite being a glass-out
    roller, one couldn't casually tell that last fall, it had left the track at 120mph, and the onboard
    telemetry said that he was still doing 70mph when he hit a barrier. A mere six months and
    a couple of Honda's worth of cash. Plus probably another ~3 weeks to go, to get the rest of
    it put back together, so they missed Tech Inspection on 4/11 for this season's first race. TI for
    the next race (Mid-Ohio) isn't until 9 May, so IMO he has a good chance of it being ready in time.
    Of course track cars often have stripped interiors, so no need to wait for a headliner <g>.


    -hh

    https://getjerry.com/insights/supply-chain-problems-causing-whole-new-set-problems-auto-industry

    Squares with what I'm hearing from a friend or two.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue May 3 04:17:54 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 9:44:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 6:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:03:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:58:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I >>>>>> need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I >>>>>> didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a
    relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    Don't wreck anything!

    Not talking about wrecks at all, but just the prospects of correctly replacing old OEM textiles.

    For wrecks, they can often take months even without supply chain issues, because of the
    work it can involve, especially done right. Earlier this month, I happened to be over at the shop
    when a PCA track car was returning from having major work done. Despite being a glass-out
    roller, one couldn't casually tell that last fall, it had left the track at 120mph, and the onboard
    telemetry said that he was still doing 70mph when he hit a barrier. A mere six months and
    a couple of Honda's worth of cash. Plus probably another ~3 weeks to go, to get the rest of
    it put back together, so they missed Tech Inspection on 4/11 for this season's first race. TI for
    the next race (Mid-Ohio) isn't until 9 May, so IMO he has a good chance of it being ready in time.
    Of course track cars often have stripped interiors, so no need to wait for a headliner <g>.


    -hh

    https://getjerry.com/insights/supply-chain-problems-causing-whole-new-set-problems-auto-industry

    Squares with what I'm hearing from a friend or two.
    Another problem complicating our season in particular is that our
    preferred tire supplier suffered a fire at one of their plants and they decided that the tires we use could be dropped at least for the moment.

    I'm 100% certain that you could find some suitable tires.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue May 3 05:25:04 2022
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:17:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 9:44:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 6:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:03:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:58:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I
    need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I
    didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a >>>>>> relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    Don't wreck anything!

    Not talking about wrecks at all, but just the prospects of correctly replacing old OEM textiles.

    For wrecks, they can often take months even without supply chain issues, because of the
    work it can involve, especially done right. Earlier this month, I happened to be over at the shop
    when a PCA track car was returning from having major work done. Despite being a glass-out
    roller, one couldn't casually tell that last fall, it had left the track at 120mph, and the onboard
    telemetry said that he was still doing 70mph when he hit a barrier. A mere six months and
    a couple of Honda's worth of cash. Plus probably another ~3 weeks to go, to get the rest of
    it put back together, so they missed Tech Inspection on 4/11 for this season's first race. TI for
    the next race (Mid-Ohio) isn't until 9 May, so IMO he has a good chance of it being ready in time.
    Of course track cars often have stripped interiors, so no need to wait for a headliner <g>.


    -hh

    https://getjerry.com/insights/supply-chain-problems-causing-whole-new-set-problems-auto-industry

    Squares with what I'm hearing from a friend or two.
    Another problem complicating our season in particular is that our
    preferred tire supplier suffered a fire at one of their plants and they decided that the tires we use could be dropped at least for the moment.

    I'm 100% certain that you could find some suitable tires.

    Don't be so quick to assume. I had gotten a nail in one of my snow tires when they were swapped
    out this spring (can't be patched), and the shop has been working to source a replacement for the
    past 3 weeks. Latest news is that they believe they found one in stock; hopefully just a 4-5 week
    supply chain delay, which is way up from the traditional 4-5 days.

    If that doesn't pan out, the alternatives are:

    a) wait until fall and hope that the OEM doesn't change the tire composition/design before it goes
    back into seasonal production and hope that one becomes available in inventory by November...

    Or:

    b) throw out 3 good tires (lots of tread/etc) and buy four (4) tires of a different brand/tread pattern

    Or:

    c) remove & store 2 good tires (backups) and buy just two (2) of same brand if deemed "close enough";
    shave both new (same procedure as would be done for the base case) to diameter parity w/existing.


    -hh

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue May 3 08:13:15 2022
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:17:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 9:44:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 6:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:03:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:58:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote: >>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I
    need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I
    didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a >>>>>> relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    Don't wreck anything!

    Not talking about wrecks at all, but just the prospects of correctly replacing old OEM textiles.

    For wrecks, they can often take months even without supply chain issues, because of the
    work it can involve, especially done right. Earlier this month, I happened to be over at the shop
    when a PCA track car was returning from having major work done. Despite being a glass-out
    roller, one couldn't casually tell that last fall, it had left the track at 120mph, and the onboard
    telemetry said that he was still doing 70mph when he hit a barrier. A mere six months and
    a couple of Honda's worth of cash. Plus probably another ~3 weeks to go, to get the rest of
    it put back together, so they missed Tech Inspection on 4/11 for this season's first race. TI for
    the next race (Mid-Ohio) isn't until 9 May, so IMO he has a good chance of it being ready in time.
    Of course track cars often have stripped interiors, so no need to wait for a headliner <g>.


    -hh

    https://getjerry.com/insights/supply-chain-problems-causing-whole-new-set-problems-auto-industry

    Squares with what I'm hearing from a friend or two.
    Another problem complicating our season in particular is that our preferred tire supplier suffered a fire at one of their plants and they decided that the tires we use could be dropped at least for the moment.

    I'm 100% certain that you could find some suitable tires.
    Don't be so quick to assume. I had gotten a nail in one of my snow tires when they were swapped
    out this spring (can't be patched), and the shop has been working to source a replacement for the
    past 3 weeks. Latest news is that they believe they found one in stock; hopefully just a 4-5 week
    supply chain delay, which is way up from the traditional 4-5 days.

    If that doesn't pan out, the alternatives are:

    a) wait until fall and hope that the OEM doesn't change the tire composition/design before it goes
    back into seasonal production and hope that one becomes available in inventory by November...

    Or:

    b) throw out 3 good tires (lots of tread/etc) and buy four (4) tires of a different brand/tread pattern

    Or:

    c) remove & store 2 good tires (backups) and buy just two (2) of same brand if deemed "close enough";
    shave both new (same procedure as would be done for the base case) to diameter parity w/existing.


    -hh


    The FF rules allow for a range of tire options and a local club can set it's own specs. Alan said "preferred" tire supplier, not "only".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue May 3 08:13:49 2022
    On 2022-05-03 4:17 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 9:44:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 6:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:03:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:58:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I >>>>>>>> need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I >>>>>>>> didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a >>>>>>>> relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    Don't wreck anything!

    Not talking about wrecks at all, but just the prospects of correctly replacing old OEM textiles.

    For wrecks, they can often take months even without supply chain issues, because of the
    work it can involve, especially done right. Earlier this month, I happened to be over at the shop
    when a PCA track car was returning from having major work done. Despite being a glass-out
    roller, one couldn't casually tell that last fall, it had left the track at 120mph, and the onboard
    telemetry said that he was still doing 70mph when he hit a barrier. A mere six months and
    a couple of Honda's worth of cash. Plus probably another ~3 weeks to go, to get the rest of
    it put back together, so they missed Tech Inspection on 4/11 for this season's first race. TI for
    the next race (Mid-Ohio) isn't until 9 May, so IMO he has a good chance of it being ready in time.
    Of course track cars often have stripped interiors, so no need to wait for a headliner <g>.


    -hh

    https://getjerry.com/insights/supply-chain-problems-causing-whole-new-set-problems-auto-industry

    Squares with what I'm hearing from a friend or two.
    Another problem complicating our season in particular is that our
    preferred tire supplier suffered a fire at one of their plants and they
    decided that the tires we use could be dropped at least for the moment.

    I'm 100% certain that you could find some suitable tires.

    You are, are you?

    I didn't say it was impossible: only that it was complicating our season.

    Some people had no usable tires for this season. Some (such as myself)
    had tires purchased for last year that they don't want to go to waste.

    So the people who need new tires are purchasing different tires than the
    folks who have sets from last year.

    Guess what: different tires from different manufacturers have different
    levels of grip.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue May 3 08:23:30 2022
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:13:53 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-05-03 4:17 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 9:44:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 6:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:03:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:58:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I
    need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I
    didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a >>>>>>>> relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    Don't wreck anything!

    Not talking about wrecks at all, but just the prospects of correctly replacing old OEM textiles.

    For wrecks, they can often take months even without supply chain issues, because of the
    work it can involve, especially done right. Earlier this month, I happened to be over at the shop
    when a PCA track car was returning from having major work done. Despite being a glass-out
    roller, one couldn't casually tell that last fall, it had left the track at 120mph, and the onboard
    telemetry said that he was still doing 70mph when he hit a barrier. A mere six months and
    a couple of Honda's worth of cash. Plus probably another ~3 weeks to go, to get the rest of
    it put back together, so they missed Tech Inspection on 4/11 for this season's first race. TI for
    the next race (Mid-Ohio) isn't until 9 May, so IMO he has a good chance of it being ready in time.
    Of course track cars often have stripped interiors, so no need to wait for a headliner <g>.


    -hh

    https://getjerry.com/insights/supply-chain-problems-causing-whole-new-set-problems-auto-industry

    Squares with what I'm hearing from a friend or two.
    Another problem complicating our season in particular is that our
    preferred tire supplier suffered a fire at one of their plants and they
    decided that the tires we use could be dropped at least for the moment.

    I'm 100% certain that you could find some suitable tires.
    You are, are you?

    I didn't say it was impossible: only that it was complicating our season.

    Some people had no usable tires for this season. Some (such as myself)
    had tires purchased for last year that they don't want to go to waste.

    So the people who need new tires are purchasing different tires than the folks who have sets from last year.

    Guess what: different tires from different manufacturers have different levels of grip.

    So what? Go race anyway.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue May 3 08:51:05 2022
    On 2022-05-03 8:23 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:13:53 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-05-03 4:17 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 9:44:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 6:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:03:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:58:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I
    need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I
    didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a >>>>>>>>>> relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    Don't wreck anything!

    Not talking about wrecks at all, but just the prospects of correctly replacing old OEM textiles.

    For wrecks, they can often take months even without supply chain issues, because of the
    work it can involve, especially done right. Earlier this month, I happened to be over at the shop
    when a PCA track car was returning from having major work done. Despite being a glass-out
    roller, one couldn't casually tell that last fall, it had left the track at 120mph, and the onboard
    telemetry said that he was still doing 70mph when he hit a barrier. A mere six months and
    a couple of Honda's worth of cash. Plus probably another ~3 weeks to go, to get the rest of
    it put back together, so they missed Tech Inspection on 4/11 for this season's first race. TI for
    the next race (Mid-Ohio) isn't until 9 May, so IMO he has a good chance of it being ready in time.
    Of course track cars often have stripped interiors, so no need to wait for a headliner <g>.


    -hh

    https://getjerry.com/insights/supply-chain-problems-causing-whole-new-set-problems-auto-industry

    Squares with what I'm hearing from a friend or two.
    Another problem complicating our season in particular is that our
    preferred tire supplier suffered a fire at one of their plants and they >>>> decided that the tires we use could be dropped at least for the moment. >>>
    I'm 100% certain that you could find some suitable tires.
    You are, are you?

    I didn't say it was impossible: only that it was complicating our season.

    Some people had no usable tires for this season. Some (such as myself)
    had tires purchased for last year that they don't want to go to waste.

    So the people who need new tires are purchasing different tires than the
    folks who have sets from last year.

    Guess what: different tires from different manufacturers have different
    levels of grip.

    So what? Go race anyway.

    We are.

    Whatever made you think anything different, Liarboy?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Tue May 3 08:50:36 2022
    On 2022-05-03 8:13 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 8:25:06 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:17:56 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 9:44:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 6:26 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:03:22 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:58:23 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:37:36 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:34:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:50:39 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-25 9:19 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    Looking forward to the first 2022 weekend I checked up the Formula F results.
    Shocking! Only 3 FF cars raced, none of them the guys that win on a regular basis.

    Perhaps our resident race car driver can shed some light on poor turnout.

    Let's see:

    Two guys are waiting on engines to be completed

    One guy is from the US and he may be against getting vaccinated, but I
    need to call him and see what's up.

    For myself, there was a SNAFU with getting my medical completed, so I
    didn't have a racing license despite making my application in a >>>>>>>>>> relatively timely manner.

    Keith, Felim and Erle probably enjoyed running up front in light traffic for a change.

    Sounds like they just had the luck of not having any delays from off-season work,
    either because they started much earlier, or they didn't need (or pay) for much, as
    there's still supply chain challenges & cascading effects (including labor crunches).
    Case in point, this past month I heard that a local specialist in car interiors had been
    asked to quote to replace an entire headliner, and their answer was "..before talking
    cost, let's talk schedule: August. Still interested?".


    Don't wreck anything!

    Not talking about wrecks at all, but just the prospects of correctly replacing old OEM textiles.

    For wrecks, they can often take months even without supply chain issues, because of the
    work it can involve, especially done right. Earlier this month, I happened to be over at the shop
    when a PCA track car was returning from having major work done. Despite being a glass-out
    roller, one couldn't casually tell that last fall, it had left the track at 120mph, and the onboard
    telemetry said that he was still doing 70mph when he hit a barrier. A mere six months and
    a couple of Honda's worth of cash. Plus probably another ~3 weeks to go, to get the rest of
    it put back together, so they missed Tech Inspection on 4/11 for this season's first race. TI for
    the next race (Mid-Ohio) isn't until 9 May, so IMO he has a good chance of it being ready in time.
    Of course track cars often have stripped interiors, so no need to wait for a headliner <g>.


    -hh

    https://getjerry.com/insights/supply-chain-problems-causing-whole-new-set-problems-auto-industry

    Squares with what I'm hearing from a friend or two.
    Another problem complicating our season in particular is that our
    preferred tire supplier suffered a fire at one of their plants and they >>>> decided that the tires we use could be dropped at least for the moment. >>>
    I'm 100% certain that you could find some suitable tires.
    Don't be so quick to assume. I had gotten a nail in one of my snow tires when they were swapped
    out this spring (can't be patched), and the shop has been working to source a replacement for the
    past 3 weeks. Latest news is that they believe they found one in stock; hopefully just a 4-5 week
    supply chain delay, which is way up from the traditional 4-5 days.

    If that doesn't pan out, the alternatives are:

    a) wait until fall and hope that the OEM doesn't change the tire composition/design before it goes
    back into seasonal production and hope that one becomes available in inventory by November...

    Or:

    b) throw out 3 good tires (lots of tread/etc) and buy four (4) tires of a different brand/tread pattern

    Or:

    c) remove & store 2 good tires (backups) and buy just two (2) of same brand if deemed "close enough";
    shave both new (same procedure as would be done for the base case) to diameter parity w/existing.


    -hh


    The FF rules allow for a range of tire options and a local club can set it's own specs. Alan said "preferred" tire supplier, not "only".

    I said "OUR preferred tire supplier"; the one ALL the racers at Mission
    had agreed we would use in preference to the actual only ONE tire that
    was officially legal in Formula F.

    The loss of the tires throws the whole thing into confusion as some
    people still have those tires and some must switch a different tire that
    will have different characteristics; including different grip.

    Details like that matter, Liarboy.

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