I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?
Alan Griffin

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In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?
Alan Griffin

It's been a right pain in the a####. I've been stopping the fetch, then
going into Newshound.config and altering the dungroup file for apps and changing the figure at the end of the group to -1. This collects just 1 message. I do allow 10 or so of the messages to download, in case there
are real messages, which seem to land first.

It might be better to alter the rule file to ignore anything over a
certain size, but haven't managed to get that working here.

Kind regards
John

--
_________________________________________
| University of Glos. Blighting Longlevens.
| mailto:[email protected]
_______________________| http://www.jpeachey.co.uk

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In article <[email protected]>,
J Peachey <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?

It's been a right pain in the a####. I've been stopping the fetch,
then going into Newshound.config and altering the dungroup file
for apps and changing the figure at the end of the group to -1.
This collects just 1 message. I do allow 10 or so of the messages
to download, in case there are real messages, which seem to land
first.

It might be better to alter the rule file to ignore anything over a
certain size, but haven't managed to get that working here.

Note these are not emails - they are Newsgroup messages.

It is likely that there has been sone hiccup with the new server that
you use - what server is in your Config.dunGroup file?

John's suggestion is what I would do.

I use GigaNews and Eternal-September, and have seen no problem here.

--
Martin Avison
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?
Alan Griffin

I think you mean news posting but, yes, I've had them too. I think
newshound reported something like 4700 at the first fetch, so I quit at
about 1000, and, after debatch, realised they were all identical. I
selected all of them and hit the dustbin, I then went to the bin and hit
the dustbin again. I followed that up up with an "Articles repair/compact
to make sure I had got rid of every trace of them.

I set a !Pluto filter to "Subject contains" "Marmoset" (OR @domein.nl)

(I assume these are the same ones you are seeing)

It doesn't stop them being downloaded and it dramatically slows down
"Debatch" but they just get dumped and I don't see them.

Hope this helps

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

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In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

David

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In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?
Alan Griffin

So have I. I too would like the answer

John Norris

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On 17 Oct, David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]> Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

I use news.individual.net and do not see any spam posts on any of my
subscribed groups - their filtering is really good.

It's not free, but it's only EUR 10.00 per annum, so not going to break
the bank.
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen -----------------------------------------------------
What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
I don't know and I don't care...

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In article <[email protected]>,
Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:

I set a !Pluto filter to "Subject contains" "Marmoset" (OR @domein.nl)

Today, !NewsHound started loading 8879 messages, which soon completely
upset Pluto, popping up all kinds of error boxes.

In !NewsHound.Config, I found the file 'GlobalRule' and added the following line, under the subject $ kills:

* *Multilingual* * * * * * * none

(Multilingual was part of the title of those news postings - the spaces
between those *'s are Tabs).

NewsHound now removes (or refuses to load) those messages, problem solved.

Paul

--
https://riscos.sprie.nl

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In message <[email protected]>
Brian Howlett <[email protected]> wrote:

On 17 Oct, David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]> Alan Griffin <[email protected]>
wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

I use news.individual.net and do not see any spam posts on any of my subscribed groups - their filtering is really good.

It's not free, but it's only EUR 10.00 per annum, so not going to break
the bank.

Using Enternal-September here (which is free), and the only issue I have
seen in past week was a certificate error about 3 days ago for their
server. no extra usenet postings have been received.

But so far no one has said which usenet server they are having issues
with.

--
Chris Hughes

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Chris Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:

Using Enternal-September here (which is free), and the only issue I have
seen in past week was a certificate error about 3 days ago for their
server. no extra usenet postings have been received.

But so far no one has said which usenet server they are having issues
with.

Alan seems to be using Usenet.Farm which appears to be targeted at people filesharing, rather than text-based Usenet. I'm not surprised that the filtering on filesharing-oriented servers isn't so great.

Theo

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In article <[email protected]>, Brian Howlett <[email protected]> wrote:

On 17 Oct, David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]> Alan Griffin
<[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup. How can I
stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

I use news.individual.net and do not see any spam posts on any of
my subscribed groups - their filtering is really good.

It's not free, but it's only EUR 10.00 per annum, so not going to
break the bank.

I use the same - thank goodness I've not seen the numerous spam that
others have seen. It's been an excellent newserver with no price
increases for as long as I can remember.

Richard

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In article <b6d0b6b15b.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:

But so far no one has said which usenet server they are having issues
with.

Mine is news.kpn.nl - a Dutch server. So the problem is not completely
local, probably.

Paul

--
https://riscos.sprie.nl

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In article <25a46db15b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

David

They are all identical, snd there were over 9000 yesterday.
I use Hermes.
Alan#

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In article <[email protected]>,
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <25a46db15b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

They are all identical, snd there were over 9000 yesterday.
I use Hermes.

But what news server do you use? That is the critical thing.
Do you use Usenet.farm?

--
Martin Avison
Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
without notice if (when) any spam is received.

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In message <[email protected]>
Brian Howlett <[email protected]> wrote:

On 17 Oct, David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]> Alan Griffin <[email protected]>
wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

I use news.individual.net and do not see any spam posts on any of my subscribed groups - their filtering is really good.

It's not free, but it's only EUR 10.00 per annum, so not going to break
the bank.

I'm using the Orpheus newsfeed.

The latest load of c##p is 9000 postings of (autodesk 3ds max 2025.3(x64) Multilingual). Earlier in the week it was something totally different.

I've contacted Richard to see whether he can do anything.

Kind regards
John

--
_________________________________________
| University of Glos. Blighting Longlevens.
| mailto:[email protected]
_______________________| http://www.jpeachey.co.uk

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In message <[email protected]>
Paul Sprangers <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:

I set a !Pluto filter to "Subject contains" "Marmoset" (OR @domein.nl)

Today, !NewsHound started loading 8879 messages, which soon completely
upset Pluto, popping up all kinds of error boxes.

In !NewsHound.Config, I found the file 'GlobalRule' and added the following line, under the subject $ kills:

* *Multilingual* * * * * * *
none

(Multilingual was part of the title of those news postings - the spaces between those *'s are Tabs).

NewsHound now removes (or refuses to load) those messages, problem solved.

Paul

Problem is Paul, thats today's posting, there have been 3 different ones
in the last 10 days or so. The number posted also seems to be growing.

I use the Orpheus newsfeed so not sure which feed they use, but have
contacted Richard to see if anything can be done.

John

--
_________________________________________
| University of Glos. Blighting Longlevens.
| mailto:[email protected]
_______________________| http://www.jpeachey.co.uk

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In message <[email protected]>
Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <25a46db15b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup. How can I
stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

Giganews via Orpheus

Unless I'm getting really bad at reading headers, your feed is also
Usenet.Farm

Has Orpheus changed supplier?

--
Fred

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In message <[email protected]>
J Peachey <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Brian Howlett <[email protected]> wrote:

On 17 Oct, David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]> Alan Griffin
<[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup. How can I
stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

I use news.individual.net and do not see any spam posts on any of my subscribed groups - their filtering is really good.

It's not free, but it's only EUR 10.00 per annum, so not going to
break the bank.

I'm using the Orpheus newsfeed.

The latest load of c##p is 9000 postings of (autodesk 3ds max
2025.3(x64) Multilingual). Earlier in the week it was something totally different.

I've contacted Richard to see whether he can do anything.

Unless I'm reading the header of your message incorrectly, your feed is
coming from Usenet.Farm

Is that what Orpheus is signed up to?

--
Fred

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In article <25a46db15b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup.
How can I stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

Giganews via Orpheus

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

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In article <[email protected]d>,
Frederick <[email protected]d> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <25a46db15b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup. How can I
stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

Giganews via Orpheus

Unless I'm getting really bad at reading headers, your feed is also Usenet.Farm

Has Orpheus changed supplier?

Interesting... I thought Orpheus stopped suppling news feeds some while
ago.

I use News.Individual.NET for most of my news stuff, and as others have mentioned, no mass spam bombing received here.

Dave

--

Dave Triffid

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In article <[email protected]>,
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

They are all identical, snd there were over 9000 yesterday.
I use Hermes.

But what news server do you use? That is the critical thing.
Do you use Usenet.farm?

NetFetch
Alan

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In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

They are all identical, snd there were over 9000 yesterday.
I use Hermes.

But what news server do you use? That is the critical thing.
Do you use Usenet.farm?

NetFetch

Neither Hermes or NetFetch are your usenet server!!!

Hermes is an email transport program and NetFetch is a front end for
varios RISC OS programs including Hermes.


--
Chris Hughes

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In message <[email protected]d>
Frederick <[email protected]d> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <25a46db15b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup. How can I
stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

Giganews via Orpheus

Unless I'm getting really bad at reading headers, your feed is also Usenet.Farm

Just looked up usenet.farm as I had never heard of them, they are
apparently a Tier 1 Usenet provider based in the Netherlands and seem to
charge for usenet.

Wondering if they have been hacked to spam users who get their feed via
them.

--
Chris Hughes

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In message <[email protected]>
Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]d>,
Frederick <[email protected]d> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <25a46db15b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

I keep getting thousands of e-mails on this newsgroup. How can I
stop them?

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

Giganews via Orpheus

Unless I'm getting really bad at reading headers, your feed is also
Usenet.Farm

Has Orpheus changed supplier?

Interesting... I thought Orpheus stopped suppling news feeds some while
ago.

They stopped supplying free newsfeed. It costs �2 a month.

I use News.Individual.NET for most of my news stuff, and as others have mentioned, no mass spam bombing received here.

Dave

--
_________________________________________
| University of Glos. Blighting Longlevens.
| mailto:[email protected]
_______________________| http://www.jpeachey.co.uk

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In article <[email protected]>,
Paul Sprangers <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <b6d0b6b15b.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:

But so far no one has said which usenet server they are having issues
with.

Mine is news.kpn.nl - a Dutch server. So the problem is not completely
local, probably.

The domain mine seemed to be coming fom was @domein.nl so maybe there is
a connection.

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

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In article <946be4b15b.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

Curious. I don't see that. Are they all spam? What news service
provider do you use? (I use Eternal September.)

They are all identical, snd there were over 9000 yesterday.
I use Hermes.

But what news server do you use? That is the critical thing.
Do you use Usenet.farm?

NetFetch

Neither Hermes or NetFetch are your usenet server!!!

Hermes is an email transport program and NetFetch is a front end for
varios RISC OS programs including Hermes.

NewsHound is yer news proggy... :-)
It downloads/debatches into Pluto.

Well it does here. :-)

Dave

--

Dave Triffid

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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In article <[email protected]>,
Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

Unless I'm getting really bad at reading headers, your feed is also Usenet.Farm

Has Orpheus changed supplier?

Maybe, I don't know, I wasn't aware of it, but....

Interesting... I thought Orpheus stopped suppling news feeds some while
ago.

They stopped supplying news for free, but you could, by making an
additional fee, continue to receive news. Maybe they changed provider at
that point

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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In article <[email protected]>,
J Peachey <[email protected]> wrote:

I've contacted Richard to see whether he can do anything.

Good idea, let's see what happens. If you get a reply can you post it here please.

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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In message <[email protected]>
Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
J Peachey <[email protected]> wrote:

I've contacted Richard to see whether he can do anything.

Good idea, let's see what happens. If you get a reply can you post it here please.

Here's Richards respose, which I was half expecting.

"That is unfortunately outside or our control. If it isn't moderated
there is nothing we can do. as far as I am aware. Newsgroups are
worldwide not limited to Orpheus or administered by us. I don't think we
even run filters on them we just give you guys access to the newsgroups themselves."

John



--
_________________________________________
| University of Glos. Blighting Longlevens.
| mailto:[email protected]
_______________________| http://www.jpeachey.co.uk

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:

Neither Hermes or NetFetch are your usenet server!!!

Hermes is an email transport program and NetFetch is a front end
for varios RISC OS programs including Hermes.

NewsHound is yer news proggy... :-) It downloads/debatches into
Pluto.

Thank you. Yes it is Newshound.

But what I can't understand is WHY anyone should send over 9000
identical articles to my address!

It's called 'spam' sent to cause a nuisance, and it not just to you, its
being sent via various usenet servers it appears to lots of people.

You need to raise an issue with your usenet provider ideally. Do not
mention anything about RISC OS as they will not even know what it is!

Alternatively you might need to move to a better usenet provider.

--
Chris Hughes

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In message <[email protected]>
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:

Neither Hermes or NetFetch are your usenet server!!!

Hermes is an email transport program and NetFetch is a front end
for varios RISC OS programs including Hermes.

NewsHound is yer news proggy... :-) It downloads/debatches into
Pluto.

Thank you. Yes it is Newshound.

But what I can't understand is WHY anyone should send over 9000
identical articles to my address!
Alan

They are not targeting you. They are for some reason targeting the Usenet Servers/providers. The point? Who knows.

john


--
_________________________________________
| University of Glos. Blighting Longlevens.
| mailto:[email protected]
_______________________| http://www.jpeachey.co.uk

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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In article <[email protected]>,
Alan Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:

NewsHound is yer news proggy... :-) It downloads/debatches into
Pluto.

Thank you. Yes it is Newshound.

But what I can't understand is WHY anyone should send over 9000
identical articles to my address!

They are not being sent to your address, they are being sent to the comp.sys.acorn.apps newsgroup, and you are collecting them when you do a
news fetch.

Why, is a question we would all like answered. It is clearly some sort of
bot which has been set up to target this particular group, whether other groups, to which we do not subscribe, are being hit similarly, is not
known.

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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In article <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:

Neither Hermes or NetFetch are your usenet server!!!

Hermes is an email transport program and NetFetch is a front end
for varios RISC OS programs including Hermes.

NewsHound is yer news proggy... :-) It downloads/debatches into
Pluto.

Thank you. Yes it is Newshound.

But what I can't understand is WHY anyone should send over 9000
identical articles to my address!
Alan

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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In article <[email protected]>,
J Peachey <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>
Stuart <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
J Peachey <[email protected]> wrote:

I've contacted Richard to see whether he can do anything.

Good idea, let's see what happens. If you get a reply can you post it here please.

Here's Richards respose, which I was half expecting.

"That is unfortunately outside or our control. If it isn't moderated
there is nothing we can do. as far as I am aware. Newsgroups are
worldwide not limited to Orpheus or administered by us. I don't think we
even run filters on them we just give you guys access to the newsgroups themselves."

Thanks, as you say, the expected response. fortunately, the measures I
have taken so far seem to be working, unless, of course, they stopped
anyway.

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

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J Peachey <[email protected]> wrote:

Here's Richards respose, which I was half expecting.

"That is unfortunately outside or our control. If it isn't moderated
there is nothing we can do. as far as I am aware. Newsgroups are
worldwide not limited to Orpheus or administered by us. I don't think we
even run filters on them we just give you guys access to the newsgroups themselves."

That's sort of three-quarters-true. Usenet has no strong user identity and
a flood-fill arrangement: if anyone posts anything at any site it rapidly
lands on every server on the entire network. That means sending spam is trivially easy.

That means it's down to individual server admins to do something about spam that users see. There are tools like 'cleanfeed' which work similar to a
spam filter run by your email provider - this can hide much of the junk from their users, but don't remove it from the network (it's basically impossible
to remove posts from the network or ban people from it).

Like email you can also make your own personal filters in your reader
software (and it's highly recommended to do that) to hide (people,topics,behaviour) you don't want to see.

It sounds like Orpheus has contracted out their Usenet service to
Usenet.Farm, ie Orpheus aren't running it, they just have an arrangement for their customers to use the Usenet.Farm server.

Unfortunately, the primary use of Usenet on the internet today is not discussion, it's that the 'flood fill' turned out to be a very good way to distribute copyright infringing material - the record labels and movie
studios can't send lawyers' letters to every Usenet server on the internet
for every track or film that somebody posted. There are specialised clients that can break up a DVD file into thousands of tiny pieces ('binaries'), convert them to non-readable text and then post them as a 'thread' to a newsgroup, and then users can use similar clients to download the pieces and reconstruct the movie.

Usenet.Farm is targeting the latter users which is why they measure their traffic in gigabytes, when most of use using it for discussion are only downloading kilobytes of text. It still works for discussion, but it
appears the Usenet.Farm admins aren't putting in the effort to filter out
spam - after all their users are not reading threads in newsgroups, they're just searching for the latest movie.

So the long and the short of it is that it seems Usenet.Farm/Orpheus isn't a very good service for discussion users and it would be better to switch to
one that is - common examples are Eternal September (free) or News.Individual.Net (EUR10 per year).

Theo

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In message <d+f*[email protected]>
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:

So the long and the short of it is that it seems Usenet.Farm/Orpheus isn't
a very good service for discussion users and it would be better to switch
to one that is - common examples are Eternal September (free) or News.Individual.Net (EUR10 per year).

My recommendation is to switch to Eternal September. It's free, I've
found it to be reliable, and I haven't seen any of this spam - which
suggests they are helpfully filtering it out before it reaches us
users.

David

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Theo <[email protected]> wrote:

J Peachey <[email protected]> wrote:

Here's Richards respose, which I was half expecting.

"That is unfortunately outside or our control. If it isn't moderated
there is nothing we can do. as far as I am aware. Newsgroups are
worldwide not limited to Orpheus or administered by us. I don't think
we even run filters on them we just give you guys access to the
newsgroups themselves."

That's sort of three-quarters-true. Usenet has no strong user identity
and a flood-fill arrangement: if anyone posts anything at any site it
rapidly lands on every server on the entire network. That means sending
spam is trivially easy.

That means it's down to individual server admins to do something about
spam that users see. There are tools like 'cleanfeed' which work similar
to a spam filter run by your email provider - this can hide much of the
junk from their users, but don't remove it from the network (it's
basically impossible to remove posts from the network or ban people from
it).

Like email you can also make your own personal filters in your reader software (and it's highly recommended to do that) to hide (people,topics,behaviour) you don't want to see.

It sounds like Orpheus has contracted out their Usenet service to Usenet.Farm, ie Orpheus aren't running it, they just have an arrangement
for their customers to use the Usenet.Farm server.

Unfortunately, the primary use of Usenet on the internet today is not discussion, it's that the 'flood fill' turned out to be a very good way
to distribute copyright infringing material - the record labels and movie studios can't send lawyers' letters to every Usenet server on the
internet for every track or film that somebody posted. There are
specialised clients that can break up a DVD file into thousands of tiny pieces ('binaries'), convert them to non-readable text and then post them
as a 'thread' to a newsgroup, and then users can use similar clients to download the pieces and reconstruct the movie.

Usenet.Farm is targeting the latter users which is why they measure their traffic in gigabytes, when most of use using it for discussion are only downloading kilobytes of text. It still works for discussion, but it
appears the Usenet.Farm admins aren't putting in the effort to filter out spam - after all their users are not reading threads in newsgroups,
they're just searching for the latest movie.

So the long and the short of it is that it seems Usenet.Farm/Orpheus
isn't a very good service for discussion users and it would be better to switch to one that is - common examples are Eternal September (free) or News.Individual.Net (EUR10 per year).

Theo

Theo, thank you for a super clear explanation. It puts mind at rest

Ian

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In message <290866b25b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <d+f*[email protected]>
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:

So the long and the short of it is that it seems Usenet.Farm/Orpheus isn't >> a very good service for discussion users and it would be better to switch
to one that is - common examples are Eternal September (free) or
News.Individual.Net (EUR10 per year).

My recommendation is to switch to Eternal September. It's free, I've
found it to be reliable, and I haven't seen any of this spam - which
suggests they are helpfully filtering it out before it reaches us
users.

David

I confirm and cross my fingers no problems/spam with Eternal September.


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Jean-Michel

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In article <[email protected]>,
Jean-Michel <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <290866b25b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <d+f*[email protected]>
Theo <[email protected]> wrote:

So the long and the short of it is that it seems Usenet.Farm/Orpheus isn't >> a very good service for discussion users and it would be better to switch >> to one that is - common examples are Eternal September (free) or
News.Individual.Net (EUR10 per year).

My recommendation is to switch to Eternal September. It's free, I've
found it to be reliable, and I haven't seen any of this spam - which suggests they are helpfully filtering it out before it reaches us
users.

David

I confirm and cross my fingers no problems/spam with Eternal September.

Ditto.

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Chris

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In article <290866b25b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

[Snip]

My recommendation is to switch to Eternal September. It's free, I've
found it to be reliable, and I haven't seen any of this spam - which
suggests they are helpfully filtering it out before it reaches us

ES here too where the only activity I have seen recently is approaching
50 articles in a thread 'Thousands of e-mails'

B

--
_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
[email protected]
RISC OS 5.30 (27-Apr-24) on Raspberry Pi _____________________________________________________________________

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In article <[email protected]>,
Brian Jordan <[email protected]> wrote:

In article <290866b25b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
David Higton <[email protected]> wrote:

[Snip]

My recommendation is to switch to Eternal September. It's free, I've
found it to be reliable, and I haven't seen any of this spam - which suggests they are helpfully filtering it out before it reaches us

ES here too where the only activity I have seen recently is approaching
50 articles in a thread 'Thousands of e-mails'

B

Brian, very interesting point :-) maybe your post needed a ;-/

Dave ;-)

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Dave Triffid

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