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  • FILMGR on RSTS circa 1982?

    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 14 11:51:46 2019
    I'm trying to decipher some files from a circa 1982 RSTS backup. One tape contains several *.FLB files. They're relatively large - a meg or more.

    A note on one of the tapes from an admin to users at the time recommends "Learn how to use FILMGR, which is invoked by DO FILMGR. It keeps storage space down."

    Sounds like archiving and maybe compression. Google is no help. I looked at DECUS RSTS lists and didn't see it.

    The files have a 512 byte header and I have spotted RAD-50 filenames at positions 8, 16, etc. Sometimes the contents could be binary or maybe run-length compressed, sometimes just raw.

    Does anyone remember a program called FILMGR for RSTS/e 7 circa 1982? Did "FLB" mean "file library"?

    - John

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Dec 14 16:05:59 2019
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    I'm trying to decipher some files from a circa 1982 RSTS backup. One tape contains several *.FLB files. They're relatively large - a meg or more.

    They are FMS-11 form library manager files.
    --scott


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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Dec 15 18:55:34 2019
    On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 3:06:00 PM UTC-6, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    I'm trying to decipher some files from a circa 1982 RSTS backup. One tape contains several *.FLB files. They're relatively large - a meg or more.

    They are FMS-11 form library manager files.

    Thank you! I see the FMS-11 docs say it uses ".FLB" files, but the contents I can see in a hex dump do not confirm that possibility. The smaller FLB files contain bits of program code and uncompressed text files, making me think the library program
    didn't bother to compress the last partial block.

    FMS-11 also doesn't explain their rather large size. The RAD-50 filenames I spotted inside are like I24J19.DAT, K82LOG.DAT. Not the source code I was hoping for - maybe some kind of login/logout logs, or program usage logs.

    - John

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Dec 16 09:40:22 2019
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 3:06:00 PM UTC-6, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    I'm trying to decipher some files from a circa 1982 RSTS backup. One ta= >pe contains several *.FLB files. They're relatively large - a meg or more.=
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    They are FMS-11 form library manager files.

    Thank you! I see the FMS-11 docs say it uses ".FLB" files, but the content= >s I can see in a hex dump do not confirm that possibility. The smaller FLB=
    files contain bits of program code and uncompressed text files, making me =
    think the library program didn't bother to compress the last partial block.

    FMS-11 also doesn't explain their rather large size. The RAD-50 filenames = >I spotted inside are like I24J19.DAT, K82LOG.DAT. Not the source code I wa= >s hoping for - maybe some kind of login/logout logs, or program usage logs.=

    If it's some goofy archive scheme, it's not one I ever heard of, and I would
    be a little alarmed if they used such a common file extension for it. But
    if it's some goofy archive scheme, the code for it is almost certainly on
    the DECUS tapes.
    --scott

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Dec 17 09:24:34 2019
    On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 8:40:24 AM UTC-6, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    If it's some goofy archive scheme, it's not one I ever heard of, and I would be a little alarmed if they used such a common file extension for it. But
    if it's some goofy archive scheme, the code for it is almost certainly on
    the DECUS tapes.

    Maybe FILMGR was a proprietary tool developed at UW-Madison. Among the thousands of files on this backup set, I have found some code I'd written back in '82 that burst these FLB archives into their constituent files.

    - John

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 6 13:28:52 2020
    On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 11:51:47 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
    Does anyone remember a program called FILMGR for RSTS/e 7 circa 1982? Did "FLB" mean "file library"?

    Boy, I do remember FILMGR.

    At least, I remember something called "FIL", which is how we invoked it.

    And it was a simple library program. I do no recall what the files it left behind were. And I don't recall it actually compressing the files. I don't believe so.

    Rather, it's gift was simply eliminating (at least reducing) the overhead on individual files. Such as minimum block sizes and such.

    In school our accounts were limited to 100 blocks of quota. That's 50K to you and me. Not a whole lot. So, cramming a bunch of small program files (like class assignments) together could save quite a few net blocks in your account.

    And I do recall that you could easily delete the actual library file. DAMHIK.

    Anyway, our little "elite" clique of RSTS folks used it religiously, it was one of our little secrets. Even the system managers weren't really familiar with it.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Feb 12 11:07:55 2020
    On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 3:28:53 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
    Boy, I do remember FILMGR.

    I wrote a little tool in C for Windows to burst FLB files into their constituent files. It properly extracts them and sets their date and time.

    I'd forgotten that I'd written a tool in BASIC to do much the same
    thing, back in '82. I found it among the rest of these files.

    The code showed where the RAD-50 filenames were, and where the
    offsets were, so it wasn't too hard. Fortunately there was no
    compression in these FLB files. I'll try to remember to add
    the code to one of my web sites in case someone needs this
    in the future.

    So what was the usefulness of archiving without any compression?
    Just logical grouping of a collection of files, short of putting
    everything under a separate PPN?

    - John

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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to jfoust on Wed Feb 12 20:50:08 2020
    On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:07:55 -0800, jfoust wrote:

    I'd forgotten that I'd written a tool in BASIC to do much the same
    thing,
    back in '82. I found it among the rest of these files.

    Ha ha! I'm not the only one...

    A while ago I needed a program for a one off job on a PC; it had to be in
    PC BASIC, for various reasons.

    I trawled the net and found a suitable one eventually. It worked
    perfectly.

    I idly examined the source, which seemed vaguely familiar. Turns out I
    wrote it 15 years earlier, but no longer had a copy myself.

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