• Re: A Nostalgic Ramble: Online gaming services of yore

    From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri May 16 02:03:37 2025
    I bought and still have Kali game. I remember a local MajorBBS tried
    running Kali (http://kali.net still works and you can get a free full
    code for its outdated software) on dial-up and it actually worked like
    with Descent 1 shareware. And then, SirDOOM for DOOM based games. I also
    tried MPlayer briefly for a game (can't remember -- it was like Star
    Control but with multiplayer). I avoided those subscription based
    services.


    Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote:
    <ramble type=nostalgic>

    I know we got some old timers here; how many of you remember having to
    pay to play your games online?

    The other day, a few friends and I were reminiscing, and we brought up services like TEN and Kali and other programs, which were middleware necessary to meet and play games over the new fangled internet. Even
    though there were a lot of games of that era (we're talking mid to
    late 90s here) that supported network multiplayer, this was either
    through IPX or direct modem-to-modem connections. The TCP/IP of the
    Internet had yet to dominate as a gaming standard. This was fine if
    you were gaming on the same LAN, but if you're friends were in
    different cities, it wasn't really an option. As such, you often
    needed software to act as an intermediary to translate. And this
    software often wasn't free; the idea of advertising-supported apps had
    yet to be invented.

    Kali was the one I remember most, but there were others: Gamespy was
    another big one, and publisher-specific platforms like Blizzard's
    Battle.Net and Microsoft's MSN Gaming Zone started out serving similar purposes. Sometimes games came built in with their own translation
    software, but they tended to be specific to certain games; products
    like Kali or TEN also offered chat-rooms where you could meet and then
    use to play any game in your shared libraries.

    Like I said, a lot of these software packages --especially the bigger
    ones-- weren't free. A few were a buy-once-and-you're-good deal, but a
    lot of them required monthly subscriptions to keep using. Thus, in
    addition to paying for your Internet and the game, you'd also be
    paying $10-15 per month for matchmaking. This added cost meant a lot
    of people just didn't bother with Internet multiplayer, and those that
    did tended to be siloed off from one another because there was no easy
    way for Mechwarrior 2 players to meet up with Duke Nukem 3D players.

    As Internet broadband phased out dial-up connections and TCP/IP
    connections became the norm, software like that became less necessary. Eventually, they were pretty much all killed by Steam, which offered matchmaking for every game on Valve sold on the service. It's just
    another way that Valve helped invigorate PC gaming.

    Like I said, I best remember Kali but I'm pretty sure I tried TEN and Gamespy. I know for a while I paid a monthly subscription for some
    service (I can't remember which one though! Maybe it was HEAT.Net?
    MPlayer? INN? There were a lot of them back then). I didn't stick with
    it long because none of my IRL friends were on there, playing with
    strangers only had limited fun, and most of the games I was interested
    in supported direct IP connections anyway (even if they were trickier
    to use).

    But it still makes me smile remembering that this --something we now
    take for granted will be included for free-- was a service we once
    paid extra for. How things have changed.

    Did any of you ever use these services (assuming you were gaming back
    then?) Or did you avoid them because of the cost, or for other
    reasons?

    </ramble>

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  • From Mr Rob@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri May 16 12:48:02 2025
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:06:19 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote:

    <ramble type=nostalgic>

    Like I said, I best remember Kali but I'm pretty sure I tried TEN and >Gamespy. I know for a while I paid a monthly subscription for some
    service (I can't remember which one though! Maybe it was HEAT.Net?
    MPlayer? INN? There were a lot of them back then). I didn't stick with
    it long because none of my IRL friends were on there, playing with
    strangers only had limited fun, and most of the games I was interested
    in supported direct IP connections anyway (even if they were trickier
    to use).

    But it still makes me smile remembering that this --something we now
    take for granted will be included for free-- was a service we once
    paid extra for. How things have changed.

    Did any of you ever use these services (assuming you were gaming back
    then?) Or did you avoid them because of the cost, or for other
    reasons?

    </ramble>


    Gamespy was my favoured app for online gaming. I particularly remember
    playing hundreds of hours of Codename Outbreak, both in co-op mode and
    PVP. I even bought a hardware desktop dial-up 56K modem to 'reduce' my
    ping down to around 200ms so that I wouldn't cause so much rubber
    banding for my friends in the US.

    I still remember this wonderful sound from those days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94REPJsioHA

    That sound meant that the kids were in bed and I had a few precious
    hours to myself.

    I also remember using WON for online games. I think I played Quake 2
    via WON for a while.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri May 16 09:07:39 2025
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:06:19 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote:

    Did any of you ever use these services (assuming you were gaming back
    then?) Or did you avoid them because of the cost, or for other
    reasons?

    </ramble>

    I don't recognize any of the services you mention other than Gamespy.
    The only app I used to play games with my friends back in the day was
    a free piece of software called Hamachi.

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  • From Mark P. Nelson@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Fri May 16 16:55:06 2025
    Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:



    Did any of you ever use these services (assuming you were gaming back
    then?) Or did you avoid them because of the cost, or for other
    reasons?

    </ramble>

    I used Kali and Battle.net. There was a wonderful community called Justus that used to hang
    out in alt.games.diablo and the agd channel on Battlenet. A great collection of people from all
    over the world.

    mpn.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri May 16 13:37:25 2025
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 16:55:06 -0000 (UTC), "Mark P. Nelson" <[email protected]> wrote:

    I used Kali and Battle.net. There was a wonderful community called Justus that used to hang
    out in alt.games.diablo and the agd channel on Battlenet. A great collection of people from all
    over the world.

    mpn.

    I used BattleNet back in the day as well but only to play Diablo with
    my friends. I don't think I ever played any BattleNet game with
    strangers.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Fri May 16 18:24:59 2025
    Mike S. <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 19:06:19 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote:

    Did any of you ever use these services (assuming you were gaming back >then?) Or did you avoid them because of the cost, or for other
    reasons?

    </ramble>

    I don't recognize any of the services you mention other than Gamespy.
    The only app I used to play games with my friends back in the day was
    a free piece of software called Hamachi.

    I have heard of it, but never used it.
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Fri May 16 18:25:59 2025
    XPost: alt.games.diablo

    Mike S. <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 16:55:06 -0000 (UTC), "Mark P. Nelson" <[email protected]> wrote:

    I used Kali and Battle.net. There was a wonderful community called Justus that used to hang
    out in alt.games.diablo and the agd channel on Battlenet. A great collection of people from all
    over the world.

    mpn.

    I used BattleNet back in the day as well but only to play Diablo with
    my friends. I don't think I ever played any BattleNet game with
    strangers.

    Let's bring alt.games.diablo back with new posts. I'll start with this crosspost! ;)

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  • From Mr Rob@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri May 16 21:59:45 2025
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 15:55:20 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote:

    WON! That was the one (heh) I was trying to remember. I remember that
    it was originally created by Sierra, which made me think of INN, but I
    knew that wasn't it. No, it was WON.

    I don't recall if I used it, though.

    Talk about a 'blast from the past' !

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Opponent_Network

    I remember seeing that logo on my original Half-Life and Unreal boxes.
    I'm pretty sure I played Team Fortress Classic and Unreal Tournament
    through WON in my early online gaming days.



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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 17 07:23:21 2025
    TEN in 1996 is the most memorable of the original online gaming
    services for me, because of the many hours of DukeNukem 3D, Quake,
    Warcraft, etc.

    One experience that stands out was the release of the Daikatana
    multiplayer demo. I think there was only one map, but what was there
    was excellent...truly great fun... so I was really looking to the
    release of it. The Daikatana that was actually released however was
    nothing like that MP demo, and kind of stunk.

    I did use Kali too, to a lesser degree.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat May 17 08:50:24 2025
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 16:01:30 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote:

    I remember using Hamachi but I can't actually recall anymore what it
    did. I remember it was a free alternative to some other service
    though.

    I have little memory of it myself. It was too long ago. I honestly
    can't remember what games we played using it. But we did use it. And
    it worked.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 17 08:59:41 2025
    XPost: alt.games.diablo

    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:25:59 -0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Ant)
    wrote:

    Let's bring alt.games.diablo back with new posts. I'll start with this >crosspost! ;)

    You and I might be the only ones left in alt.games.diablo :-P

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  • From jerryab@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 17 08:14:06 2025
    XPost: alt.games.diablo

    On Sat, 17 May 2025 08:59:41 -0400, Mike S. <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    You and I might be the only ones left in alt.games.diablo :-P

    It is still in my newsgroup list.

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  • From Mark P. Nelson@21:1/5 to jerryab on Sat May 17 16:55:07 2025
    XPost: alt.games.diablo

    jerryab <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    On Sat, 17 May 2025 08:59:41 -0400, Mike S. <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    You and I might be the only ones left in alt.games.diablo :-P

    It is still in my newsgroup list.


    Mine too ;-�~

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Mark P. Nelson on Sat May 17 19:37:20 2025
    XPost: alt.games.diablo

    In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Mark P. Nelson <[email protected]> wrote:
    jerryab <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    On Sat, 17 May 2025 08:59:41 -0400, Mike S. <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    You and I might be the only ones left in alt.games.diablo :-P

    It is still in my newsgroup list.


    Mine too ;-?~

    Same. I have a bunch of inactive newsgroups. Also, missing ones since I had to switch NSP last month. :(
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  • From jerk-o@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Sat May 17 23:09:43 2025
    XPost: alt.games.diablo

    On Sat, 17 May 2025 08:59:41 -0400, Mike S. <[email protected]> wrote
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:25:59 -0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Ant)
    wrote:

    Let's bring alt.games.diablo back with new posts. I'll start with this >>crosspost! ;)

    You and I might be the only ones left in alt.games.diablo :-P
    I'm still here.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 18 10:14:22 2025
    XPost: alt.games.diablo

    On Sat, 17 May 2025 23:09:43 -0700, jerk-o <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    I'm still here.

    Yes, I was mistaken. There are people still in here. :)

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon May 19 01:55:00 2025
    Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sat, 17 May 2025 19:37:20 -0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Ant)
    wrote:

    In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Mark P. Nelson <[email protected]> wrote:
    jerryab <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    On Sat, 17 May 2025 08:59:41 -0400, Mike S. <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    You and I might be the only ones left in alt.games.diablo :-P

    It is still in my newsgroup list.


    Mine too ;-?~

    Same. I have a bunch of inactive newsgroups. Also, missing ones since I had to switch NSP last month. :(

    They are only inactive if you stop posting there.

    Start a new thread and give people reasons to respond.

    The Usenet Rebirth is nigh! ;-)

    I did post in the inactive newsgroups in the past. :P
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