On Sun, 09 Mar 2025 15:29:04 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

So playing "Star Wars: Outlaws", the
Ubisoft open-world game, is something of an eye-opener for me. It is
by far the buggiest game I've played in _years_, if not ever.

Wait. What? Why would you do that? It's Ubisoft. Bethesda has "buggy open world" trademarked and then patented as a game mechanic. (USPO #32768:
"Open world game with annoying or gamebreaking bugs that will later be
fixed by the community")

I bet Outlaws isn't moddable either, since Bethesda owns the IP for that.

I am truly sorry you got a poor game experience though. I tend to dodge
Ubi unless it's on a console or they're giving it away, myself.

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On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 18:39:15 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

I bet Outlaws isn't moddable either, since Bethesda owns the IP for that.

There are mods for "Star Wars: Outlaws"* on nexusmods, so you'd lose
that bet.

I figured. I was just making a whole running gag about Bethesda owning
the patent for "open world games that have lots of bugs which then get corrected by the modding community instead of the developer."

As for losing the bet, I didn't lose a bet that the modders can't fix
these problems with SW:Outlaws. At least not yet. Depends on how
extensive access to the engine is.

I totally get your unwillingness to call it simply "Outlaws." That 1997
game is one of my favorites. Shame on me!

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On 10/03/2025 16:33, Zaghadka wrote:

Wait. What? Why would you do that? It's Ubisoft. Bethesda has "buggy open world" trademarked and then patented as a game mechanic. (USPO #32768:
"Open world game with annoying or gamebreaking bugs that will later be
fixed by the community")

I know that gets said a lot but having put many hours into FO:3/NV and
Skyrim, beyond graphical glitches (wow I'm talking to a guy with no
head) I can't say I've particularly noticed any bugs that screw over quests.

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 09:52:38 +0000, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB
wrote:

On 10/03/2025 16:33, Zaghadka wrote:

Wait. What? Why would you do that? It's Ubisoft. Bethesda has "buggy open
world" trademarked and then patented as a game mechanic. (USPO #32768:
"Open world game with annoying or gamebreaking bugs that will later be
fixed by the community")

I know that gets said a lot but having put many hours into FO:3/NV and >Skyrim, beyond graphical glitches (wow I'm talking to a guy with no
head) I can't say I've particularly noticed any bugs that screw over quests.

I had some quest breakage in Fallout 4, but nothing game breaking. Mostly
the Radiant stuff. Luckily the scripting language is available to modders
in such cases.

I agree with you on the earlier Fallouts and Skyrim. Didn't have a
problem with either. Oblivion otoh. Yeah. I broke that a few times,
requiring loading back into the save history to fix it.

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On Wed, 12 Mar 2025 10:43:01 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Justisaur wrote:

On 3/10/2025 4:47 PM, Zaghadka wrote:

On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 18:39:15 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

I bet Outlaws isn't moddable either, since Bethesda owns the IP for that. >>>

There are mods for "Star Wars: Outlaws"* on nexusmods, so you'd lose
that bet.

I figured. I was just making a whole running gag about Bethesda owning
the patent for "open world games that have lots of bugs which then get
corrected by the modding community instead of the developer."

As for losing the bet, I didn't lose a bet that the modders can't fix
these problems with SW:Outlaws. At least not yet. Depends on how
extensive access to the engine is.

Apperantly the "Snowdrop" engine it uses is not friendly to modding (one
of the things I'm also worried about the Bethesda possibly going to
UE5.) Textures and graphics mods often don't depend on engine.

Scripting can often be modded too. It certainly depends on engine, but
can be reverse engineered if the scripting is in clear files.

So maybe some of "Not the Outlaws we know and love" can be fixed. Quest breakage is usually a scripting problem. At least it is in Bethesda.

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On 11/03/2025 11:13, Zaghadka wrote:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 09:52:38 +0000, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, JAB wrote:

On 10/03/2025 16:33, Zaghadka wrote:

Wait. What? Why would you do that? It's Ubisoft. Bethesda has "buggy open >>> world" trademarked and then patented as a game mechanic. (USPO #32768:
"Open world game with annoying or gamebreaking bugs that will later be
fixed by the community")

I know that gets said a lot but having put many hours into FO:3/NV and
Skyrim, beyond graphical glitches (wow I'm talking to a guy with no
head) I can't say I've particularly noticed any bugs that screw over quests. >>

I had some quest breakage in Fallout 4, but nothing game breaking. Mostly
the Radiant stuff. Luckily the scripting language is available to modders
in such cases.

I agree with you on the earlier Fallouts and Skyrim. Didn't have a
problem with either. Oblivion otoh. Yeah. I broke that a few times,
requiring loading back into the save history to fix it.

My playthough of Skyrim became so bugged that that I ended up having to restart, admittedly that was because I chucked in a bunch of mods not
realising how easy it is to get conflict between them!

I thought, no problems I'll just remove the mods and carry on, nope
still having problems. Even going way back through some save files
didn't fix it. The problem seems to be that you can screw up the
config/save files without realising it.

Oblivion, yeh that seemed at lot worse. The one I always remember was my
horse decided it didn't like me any more so started walking back to a
town. I didn't realise this horse had special powers until it started
walking across a lake and was floating six foot up in the air.

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