• Japan declares victory in effort to end government use of floppy disks

    From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 3 18:25:14 2024
    Since Spalls is so interested in our tech.... :)

    "TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan's government has finally eliminated the use of
    floppy disks in all its systems, two decades since their heyday,
    reaching a long-awaited milestone in a campaign to modernise the
    bureaucracy.

    By the middle of last month, the Digital Agency had scrapped all 1,034 regulations governing their use, except for one environmental stricture
    related to vehicle recycling.

    "We have won the war on floppy disks on June 28!" Digital Minister Taro
    Kono, who has been vocal about wiping out fax machines and other
    analogue technology in government, told Reuters in a statement on Wednesday.

    The Digital Agency was set up during the COVID-19 pandemic in 2021, when
    a scramble to roll out nationwide testing and vaccination revealed that
    the government still relied on paper filing and outdated technology.

    A charismatic figure with 2.5 million followers on X, Kono formerly
    headed the defence and foreign ministries as well as the COVID vaccine deployment, taking up his current role in August 2022 after a failed bid
    to become prime minister.

    Japan's digitisation effort has run into numerous snags, however. A contact-tracing app flopped during the pandemic and adoption of the government's My Number digital identification card has been slower than
    it hoped, amid repeated data mishaps."

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 12:58:48 2024
    Am 04.07.24 um 03:25 schrieb Dimensional Traveler:

    "TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan's government has finally eliminated the use of floppy disks in all its systems, two decades since their heyday,
    reaching a long-awaited milestone in a campaign to modernise the
    bureaucracy.
    Now they should get rid of fax machines as well...

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sun Jul 7 08:35:19 2024
    On 07/07/2024 01:54, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    Intercepting a fax is more difficult, but not impossible. But the
    skill it takes to intercept an email is generally beyond that of the
    average criminal anyway; it's not REALLY a threat unless you are
    facing off against state-actors or the payoff is in the hundreds of
    millions of dollars range (in which case, you're not going to be
    depending on just the security of a fax or email to seal the deal
    anyway).

    One of the advantages of faxes is they have much less of a digital
    footprint than e-mails so you don't have copies of them lying about (at
    least with older faxes) on different servers that can end up in a data
    breach. That advantage has really disappeared though with how easy it is
    now set-up end-to-end secure communications.

    The state actors part does play a role as when we where abroad we worked
    on the premise, due to the countries we tended to deal with, that if you
    use the hotel phone it's been listened to and any meetings likewise.

    Some of the reluctance does seem to stem from paper secure, e-mail
    insecure though. So recently my better half had to print a document out,
    sign and scan it and then e-mail it back. What's the point in that?

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Jul 14 23:14:37 2024
    JAB <[email protected]> writes:

    Some of the reluctance does seem to stem from paper secure, e-mail
    insecure though. So recently my better half had to print a document
    out, sign and scan it and then e-mail it back. What's the point in
    that?

    I actually got a cheapo printer/scanner/copier a few years back since
    both me and my wife happened to have a need to do just that, dealing
    with some bureaucracy.

    I believe here in Finland it's because of laws that govern the public
    sector and what they can accept and what the current interpretation of
    those laws is. Companies aren't under such regulation and here often use digital signature services backed with strong authentication.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Mon Jul 15 14:29:02 2024
    On 14/07/2024 21:14, Anssi Saari wrote:
    JAB <[email protected]> writes:

    Some of the reluctance does seem to stem from paper secure, e-mail
    insecure though. So recently my better half had to print a document
    out, sign and scan it and then e-mail it back. What's the point in
    that?

    I actually got a cheapo printer/scanner/copier a few years back since
    both me and my wife happened to have a need to do just that, dealing
    with some bureaucracy.

    I believe here in Finland it's because of laws that govern the public
    sector and what they can accept and what the current interpretation of
    those laws is. Companies aren't under such regulation and here often use digital signature services backed with strong authentication.

    Personally I think a lot of it comes down to those that make the rules
    just don't really understand how security is achieved. I remember going
    through an exchange with World of Tanks customer support to get a GDPR
    request processed. They insisted that I could only do that if I linked
    my phone number. Trying to explain to them that if I control the
    credentials that are used to link my mobile phone the it adds nothing to security somewhat fell on deaf ears.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Jul 15 07:48:45 2024
    On 7/15/2024 6:29 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 14/07/2024 21:14, Anssi Saari wrote:
    JAB <[email protected]> writes:

    Some of the reluctance does seem to stem from paper secure, e-mail
    insecure though. So recently my better half had to print a document
    out, sign and scan it and then e-mail it back. What's the point in
    that?

    I actually got a cheapo printer/scanner/copier a few years back since
    both me and my wife happened to have a need to do just that, dealing
    with some bureaucracy.

    I believe here in Finland it's because of laws that govern the public
    sector and what they can accept and what the current interpretation of
    those laws is. Companies aren't under such regulation and here often use
    digital signature services backed with strong authentication.

    Personally I think a lot of it comes down to those that make the rules
    just don't really understand how security is achieved. I remember going through an exchange with World of Tanks customer support to get a GDPR request processed. They insisted that I could only do that if I linked
    my phone number. Trying to explain to them that if I control the
    credentials that are used to link my mobile phone the it adds nothing to security somewhat fell on deaf ears.

    Probably because the linkage wasn't for security for you but for control
    for them.

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  • From Zersterer@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Jul 15 13:27:18 2024
    XPost: talk.bizarre, alt.slack

    JAB wrote:
    On 14/07/2024 21:14, Anssi Saari wrote:
    JAB <[email protected]> writes:

    Some of the reluctance does seem to stem from paper secure, e-mail
    insecure though. So recently my better half had to print a document
    out, sign and scan it and then e-mail it back. What's the point in
    that?

    I actually got a cheapo printer/scanner/copier a few years back since
    both me and my wife happened to have a need to do just that, dealing
    with some bureaucracy.

    I believe here in Finland it's because of laws that govern the public
    sector and what they can accept and what the current interpretation of
    those laws is. Companies aren't under such regulation and here often use
    digital signature services backed with strong authentication.

    Personally I think a lot of it comes down to those that make the rules
    just don't really understand how security is achieved. I remember going through an exchange with World of Tanks customer support to get a GDPR request processed. They insisted that I could only do that if I linked
    my phone number. Trying to explain to them that if I control the
    credentials that are used to link my mobile phone the it adds nothing to security somewhat fell on deaf ears.

    Or perhaps they have a sense of security that is merely skewed and an
    ego the size of a brick wall. The Geek Squad used to have an attitude
    like that.

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  • From Zersterer@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Mon Jul 15 13:29:18 2024
    XPost: alt.slack, talk.bizarre

    Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/15/2024 6:29 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 14/07/2024 21:14, Anssi Saari wrote:
    JAB <[email protected]> writes:

    Some of the reluctance does seem to stem from paper secure, e-mail
    insecure though. So recently my better half had to print a document
    out, sign and scan it and then e-mail it back. What's the point in
    that?

    I actually got a cheapo printer/scanner/copier a few years back since
    both me and my wife happened to have a need to do just that, dealing
    with some bureaucracy.

    I believe here in Finland it's because of laws that govern the public
    sector and what they can accept and what the current interpretation of
    those laws is. Companies aren't under such regulation and here often use >>> digital signature services backed with strong authentication.

    Personally I think a lot of it comes down to those that make the rules
    just don't really understand how security is achieved. I remember
    going through an exchange with World of Tanks customer support to get
    a GDPR request processed. They insisted that I could only do that if I
    linked my phone number. Trying to explain to them that if I control
    the credentials that are used to link my mobile phone the it adds
    nothing to security somewhat fell on deaf ears.

    Probably because the linkage wasn't for security for you but for control
    for them.

    Still, after the AT&T fiasco in 2022, reported one week ago in 2024, big mainstream companies should have some sense of user's security.

    If not they will be eaten alive when they fuck up.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sun Jul 21 11:10:35 2024
    On 15/07/2024 15:48, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

    Personally I think a lot of it comes down to those that make the rules
    just don't really understand how security is achieved. I remember
    going through an exchange with World of Tanks customer support to get
    a GDPR request processed. They insisted that I could only do that if I
    linked my phone number. Trying to explain to them that if I control
    the credentials that are used to link my mobile phone the it adds
    nothing to security somewhat fell on deaf ears.

    Probably because the linkage wasn't for security for you but for control
    for them.

    Yeh, in the back of my mind there was that part that said I wouldn't
    trust them with my mobile number whether by accident or intentional.

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