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    From fadden@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 7 08:59:22 2022
    I wanted to connect a couple of ~40-year-old SCSI-2 hard drives to my Windows machine, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to do that. Unfortunately the last PC I had with parallel SCSI went away some time ago.

    I've found many adapters for SATA and even ATAPI/IDE, but nothing for SCSI-2. Adaptec's internal cards worked until Win 7, but they stopped updating the drivers. https://ask.adaptec.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17425/~/what-adaptec-products-are-
    supported-in-windows-10

    There's a USB adapter, but it seems to be in same boat driver-wise (https://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-1856600-USBxchange-Kit/product-reviews/B000067OHN?reviewerType=all_reviews).

    This Classic Mac forum didn't leave me optimistic: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/does-anyone-have-a-suggestion-on-how-to-connect-scsi-external-drives-to-current-imacs-i-have-several-old-scsi-drives-that-i-used-with-my-power-macint.2309557/

    Any suggestions?

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to fadden on Tue Jun 7 18:05:48 2022
    fadden <[email protected]> wrote:
    I wanted to connect a couple of ~40-year-old SCSI-2 hard drives to my
    Windows machine, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to do that. Unfortunately the last PC I had with parallel SCSI went away some time
    ago.

    I've found many adapters for SATA and even ATAPI/IDE, but nothing for
    SCSI-2. Adaptec's internal cards worked until Win 7, but they stopped updating the drivers. https://ask.adaptec.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17425/~/what-adaptec-products-are-supported-in-windows-10

    They did? I bought an AVA-2902E a couple of years ago and got it working through a PCIe-to-PCI bridge card. I only think I tested it under Linux, though, where it worked like a champ (unlike some no-name SCSI card I had
    that didn't want to work with anything). I didn't test it under Win10
    because my computer spends probably 99%+ of its time under Linux.

    If you don't want to install Linux permanently, perhaps the course to take
    is to get a live-system DVD, such as this:

    https://bouncer.gentoo.org/fetch/root/all/releases/amd64/autobuilds/20220605T170549Z/livegui-amd64-20220605T170549Z.iso

    Install your SCSI card, boot from the disk image, and do what you need to
    do.

    IME, hardware tends to be supported under Linux much longer than it does
    under Windows. I have a scanner that still works with Linux that was last supported by Windows XP.

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  • From fadden@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Jun 7 14:09:36 2022
    On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 11:05:50 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    If you don't want to install Linux permanently, perhaps the course to take
    is to get a live-system DVD, such as this:

    I think you're right. I was hoping for a "plug this in and everything works" answer, but PCI card + Linux recovery will work as plan B. :-)

    IME, hardware tends to be supported under Linux much longer than it does under Windows. I have a scanner that still works with Linux that was last supported by Windows XP.

    Linux does a great job with old hardware, Microsoft does a great job with old software. Apple... no.

    I'm looking at an Adaptec 29160, which should fit in my 2014-era PC (it has at least one plain PCI slot). If I'd known parallel SCSI was getting abandoned this hard I'd have kept an old card. I've found some PCI-E cards, but not with 50-pin connectors.

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  • From Christopher G. Mason@21:1/5 to fadden on Tue Jun 7 17:22:15 2022
    On 6/7/2022 11:59 AM, fadden wrote:
    I wanted to connect a couple of ~40-year-old SCSI-2 hard drives to my Windows machine, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to do that. Unfortunately the last PC I had with parallel SCSI went away some time ago.


    Your options are limited. The Adaptec 29320LPE PCIe x1 card (reality is
    its a bridged PCI card) should work with the Windows 7 x64 drivers.

    See: <https://www.savagetaylor.com/2018/02/11/scsi-on-windows-10-adaptec-aha-2940-adaptec-29xx-ultra-or-aic-7870-adaptec-78xx/>

    There is also a LSI Logic LSI20320IE out there. Same deal, only has
    Vista x64 era drivers, but they likely work on 10.

    Both are going to need adapters since they don't have 50-pin narrow SCSI
    plugs on board. Ideally you should just go with a "bridge" machine at
    this point and run a dirt common PCI SCSI card like a AHA-29xx under
    Windows XP.

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  • From fadden@21:1/5 to Christopher G. Mason on Tue Jun 7 16:02:55 2022
    On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 2:22:30 PM UTC-7, Christopher G. Mason wrote:
    See: <https://www.savagetaylor.com/2018/02/11/scsi-on-windows-10-adaptec-aha-2940-adaptec-29xx-ultra-or-aic-7870-adaptec-78xx/>

    I found that page while searching around. The driver installation instructions were a little terrifying. Easier than buying a drive and installing Win7 on it though...

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to fadden on Thu Jun 9 16:49:58 2022
    fadden <[email protected]> wrote:
    I'm looking at an Adaptec 29160, which should fit in my 2014-era PC (it
    has at least one plain PCI slot). If I'd known parallel SCSI was getting abandoned this hard I'd have kept an old card. I've found some PCI-E
    cards, but not with 50-pin connectors.

    A low-profile PCI card can be slotted into one of these for use in a newer computer with only PCIe slots:

    https://amzn.to/3NBIbE7

    Fabrication (perhaps with a 3D printer?) of a bracket to hold both would be nice for a permanent installation, but I had mine installed just long enough
    to image my IIGS's hard drive. If the card already has a low-profile
    bracket, you might be able to more easily install it on a permanent basis.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to fadden on Fri Jun 10 15:01:09 2022
    fadden <[email protected]> wrote:
    There's a USB adapter, but it seems to be in same boat driver-wise (https://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-1856600-USBxchange-Kit/product-reviews/B000067OHN?reviewerType=all_reviews).

    A different USB SCSI adapter is discussed in this video I ran across a while back:

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=APn4IhaYAlc

    He was able to get it working with recent Windows and Mac OS versions
    without a huge amount of fuss.

    ISTR it only worked with one device at a time (no daisy chaining) and wasn't particularly quick, but it worked.

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  • From fadden@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 16 17:58:21 2022
    I got this to work today. Full write-up here: https://fadden.com/tech/old-hdd.html

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 18 04:03:36 2022
    The setup I use to connect and read from an old Mac-LC SCSI drive is;

    Older PC motherboard with both PCI and PCI-E slots
    Adaptec AHA-2940UW Pro SCSI controller (using its internal 50 pin connector) Windows 11 Pro (64 bit)
    June 2006 drivers from Adaptec (installed with digital signing enforcement
    off)
    MacDrive 10

    Works well

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