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  • Last stupid Apple II newbie questions for 2024 ...

    From Sebastian@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 26 18:21:30 2024
    ... at least on here. Seriously, I appreciate you opening this post and
    reading it.

    A few words beforehand:
    I'm a (retro) Macintosh guy. Born in 1981. First Mac in 1991. But too
    young to have experienced the Apple II days. Never got around to using
    one. But it's never to late, eh? This is the holiday season and with free
    time at my hands, I want to go for that Apple II experience! Couple of questions:

    1.) Emulation
    Where I live original Apple II hardware is scarce & expensive. Not much of
    a fan of software emulation, but I saw there were several emulators out
    there. What about actual hardware emulation? Are there "faithful" Apple
    II(e) reincarnations in FPGA, nicely boxed and ready-to-use? Or let me
    rephrase that - what's a beginner's best way to experience the Apple II
    today? Mainly interested in the Apple II(e) stuff, somewhat less in the
    IIGS.

    2.) Info sources
    Are there "fanpage websites" (for lack of a better word)? Some place that
    gives beginners like me an overview? I learned about the models like the
    ][ or the IIe on Wiki but I wonder where to find specific hands-on info on
    e.g. top 5 word processors or whether or not a Gopher client for the Apple
    II exists. Or how to access Usenet on an Apple II. Stuff of that kind,
    that exceeds historical info or tech specs. I could name a page in the
    vintage Mac universe that I deem a good example, but I don't want to dump
    URLs here.

    3.) What's the thing with OSes? The Apple II apparently had a variety of different OSes from what I read? Like Apple DOS, ProDOS and even some kind
    of CP/M. What's generally advisable to look into? What is the most sophisticated, how do they differ and is any still in development maybe?

    4.) Any good sources from where software can be obtained? Again, coming
    from the Macintosh scene, we have the Mac Garden which gives downloads
    with screenshots and a description. Very neat. Anything comparable
    available for the Apple II family?


    If possible, please provide links to written info. I much prefer them over videos. Thank you everybody for your help, I really appreciate all helpful answers! :-)

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  • From D Finnigan@21:1/5 to Sebastian on Thu Dec 26 17:43:34 2024
    Sebastian wrote:

    1.) Emulation

    I'll leave this one to others.



    2.) Info sources
    Are there "fanpage websites" (for lack of a better word)? Some place that gives beginners like me an overview?

    For Apple IIgs, try https://whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za

    The Apple II FAQs are a really good source. I read these over loads of times
    in my early Apple II days. Take a look here: https://gswv.apple2.org.za/a2zine/faqs/A2FAQs2CONTENT.html



    3.) What's the thing with OSes? The Apple II apparently had a variety of different OSes from what I read? Like Apple DOS, ProDOS and even some kind
    of CP/M. What's generally advisable to look into? What is the most sophisticated, how do they differ and is any still in development maybe?

    Read the Apple II FAQs on this topic here: https://gswv.apple2.org.za/a2zine/faqs/Csa2DOSMM.html



    4.) Any good sources from where software can be obtained?

    I'll leave this one to others.

    --
    ]DF$
    The New Apple II User's Guide:
    https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

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  • From Steve Nickolas@21:1/5 to Sebastian on Thu Dec 26 12:54:16 2024
    On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Sebastian wrote:

    A few words beforehand:
    I'm a (retro) Macintosh guy. Born in 1981. First Mac in 1991. But too
    young to have experienced the Apple II days. Never got around to using
    one. But it's never to late, eh?

    I was born in 1980, so I'm not that much older than you but I was right in
    the thick of it.

    3.) What's the thing with OSes? The Apple II apparently had a variety of different OSes from what I read? Like Apple DOS, ProDOS and even some kind
    of CP/M. What's generally advisable to look into? What is the most sophisticated, how do they differ and is any still in development maybe?

    Most Apple ][ software used bespoke OSes. DOS 3.3 wasn't uncommon either
    and ProDOS was used for more serious stuff later on.

    A couple of us have converted software to ProDOS, because ProDOS will work
    with arbitrary drives, where DOS 3.3 and bespoke OSes only work with
    drives that resemble the original 5.25" floppy drive. (For example,
    ProDOS on a hard drive partition or a 1.44 MB floppy on a Macintosh LC
    with an emulator card, a configuration I myself use.)

    -uso.

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  • From mmphosis@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 26 20:35:58 2024
    There is no such thing as a stupid question.

    I'll drop off an Apple II plus if you are nearby.

    1.) Emulation

    KEGS

    https://kegs.sourceforge.net/

    Mac: Virtual II

    https://www.virtualii.com/

    Wine: AppleWin

    and so many more emulators.

    2.) Info sources

    https://macgui.com/usenet/

    https://www.applefritter.com/tracker

    https://old.reddit.com/r/apple2/

    and so many more websites.

    3.) What's the thing with OSes?

    The beauty of the 8-bit era was a lack of OSes. Boot up instantly to a
    prompt.
    Apple DOS, USCD Pascal, ProDOS, CP/M are simple file systems with ways to launch programs.

    4.) Any good sources from where software can be obtained?

    https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_apple

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  • From Lifepillar@21:1/5 to Sebastian on Fri Dec 27 11:36:09 2024
    On 2024-12-26, Sebastian <[email protected]> wrote:
    4.) Any good sources from where software can be obtained?

    Beside everything that's already been mentioned, you may also take
    a look at this repository:

    https://github.com/lifepillar/homebrew-appleii

    Even if you're not on macOS, many tools there are cross-platform. Just
    look inside the Formula folder for command-line programs, and Casks for
    GUI apps. Each .rb script contains a URL to the corresponding project.

    Enjoy,
    Life.

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  • From Steve Nickolas@21:1/5 to Sebastian on Fri Dec 27 12:44:47 2024
    On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, Sebastian wrote:

    (quoting me)

    I was born in 1980, so I'm not that much older than you but I was right in >> the thick of it.

    Yes, but probably in the U.S.? Look, we here in Central Europe lagged years behind you, with the exception of the UK, perhaps. When the masses took to computers, it was the Commodore 64 they picked. Can't blame them, Apple did a lousy marketing job over here. (and would continue to do so, way into the 2000's ...)

    Yeah, US. The C64 was more popular, but the ][ (more precisely the //e)
    was what the schools had.

    Plus side...the 65SC02 of the //e and the 6510 of the C64 are close
    relatives.

    -uso.

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  • From Oliver Schmidt@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 20:21:10 2024
    Hi,

    (I envision everybody typing their answers on an Apple II with
    a black & green monitor ... :-) )

    On an 8bit Apple II (aka non IIgs) that pretty much requires https://github.com/bobbimanners/emailler (and a http://a2retrosystems.com).

    Or you use the Apple II "only" Terminal. Either serial or via Ethernet.

    Regards,
    Oliver

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  • From phigan@21:1/5 to Sebastian on Sat Dec 28 22:55:10 2024
    On 2024-12-26, Sebastian <[email protected]> wrote:
    e.g. top 5 word processors or whether or not a Gopher client for the Apple
    II exists. Or how to access Usenet on an Apple II. Stuff of that kind,

    Personally, I use text web (lynx/links), usenet (slrn), gopher, and irc
    on my BBS from various old computers. It's the Public Electronic
    Networked Information System. The clients are in the 'doors' section. I
    have 'vi' set as the editor, but I can change it to something easier. penisys.online:6502. You can use ProTerm or Agate or whatever term.

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