That might put a damper on the viability of csa2/cea2/csa2p.
That's a polite way of putting it.
I think this could kill the csa2 groups. This sucks. For me at least,
Google Groups was how I found CSA2 in the first place, and I imagine
that is the same for many. So now new-commers won't even be able to
find it?
"Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view and search for historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google Groups."
That might put a damper on the viability of csa2/cea2/csa2p.
In article <[email protected]>,
fadden <[email protected]> wrote:
"Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups (at
groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to Usenet
groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view and search for >> historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google Groups." >>
That might put a damper on the viability of csa2/cea2/csa2p.
That's so typical Google - killing services at a whim.
Maybe it's a chance. Let the (nerdy) world know that csa2 exists and how
to connect to it. (from either old or new devices)
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 7:10:32 PM UTC-8, Your Name wrote:
Google Groups has always been an extremely crap way to read Usenet, as>
well as a source of tons of tolling morons. Anyone with sense gets a>
Usenet provider service (there are free ones) and a proper newsreader>
app.
The problem isn't that people who want to read comp.sys.apple2 won't be
able to. The problem is that people who have no idea what
comp.sys.apple2 is will no longer have a zero-barrier way to access it.
They need to find an app and a feed provider, which creates a barrier
to access that many people won't cross simply because it's inconvenient.
Google Groups made it possible to post a simple URL and say,
"comp.sys.apple2 is here, you can read and post easily". I agree that
it's not a great way to access Usenet, but it's really convenient.
Maybe an artice on some popular forum "All About comp.sys.apple2 and How to Participate for Free"
Server Settings and check "Always request authentication whenconnecting to this server". Then restart the app and hit "refresh" in
I will continue to post on USENET.
https://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1&id=302149
and elsewhere ...
In article <[email protected]>,
mmphosis <[email protected]> wrote:
I will continue to post on USENET.
https://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1&id=302149
and elsewhere ...
I'm just pointing out clearly that macgui.com lets anyone read comp.sys.apple2 (and some other groups) using a web-browser at: https://macgui.com/usenet/ and it says by creating an account
there, you can post as well (I've not done this though). This might
be a reasonable fit for apple 2 folks using google groups.
Kent
In article <[email protected]>,
mmphosis <[email protected]> wrote:
I will continue to post on USENET.
https://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1&id=302149
and elsewhere ...
I'm just pointing out clearly that macgui.com lets anyone read comp.sys.apple2 (and some other groups) using a web-browser at: https://macgui.com/usenet/ and it says by creating an account
there, you can post as well (I've not done this though). This might
be a reasonable fit for apple 2 folks using google groups.
Kent
On 12/15/2023 3:31 PM, TRS-90 wrote:
Maybe an artice on some popular forum "All About comp.sys.apple2 and How to Participate for Free"
Well, let's see if this works.
I signed up for a free account at Eternal September (https://www.eternal-september.org/),
downloaded the free Mozilla Thunderbird (https://www.thunderbird.net/), and configured it
to talk to ES. It took a bit of poking around to get Thunderbird to ask for a
login and password, but I got there.
(Hit "alt" to make the menu bar visible, then Tools -> Account Settings -> Server Settings
and check "Always request authentication when connecting to this server". Then restart
the app and hit "refresh" in the newsgroup subscription window, which you get to by
right-clicking on the server entry and selecting "Subscribe...".)
If all goes well, this message will be posted on comp.sys.apple2.
I'm of an opposite mind with regard to web based message boards. II'm just pointing out clearly that macgui.com lets anyone read
comp.sys.apple2 (and some other groups) using a web-browser at:
https://macgui.com/usenet/ and it says by creating an account
there, you can post as well (I've not done this though). This might
be a reasonable fit for apple 2 folks using google groups.
Yes, could be. I'm just wondering if the people of CSA2 care enough
about preserving and continuing the very good place that it is...
Honestly, I think it might be one of the last places on Usenet still
viable. I know the C64 pages are all spam. I would be willing to
spend the time to learn and write about how to make CSA2 accessible
to the newly interested, but really what is the audience size? Are
there twenty of us users here? Frankly, I don't imagine that new
audiences will take the time to do (for example) what I have done and
build a IIgs machine to get here. I think the ease of reddit and
others via web browser is the new form of communication. I don't like
it, but that is what it seems to be. The ending of access from Google
Groups is likely the death bell unless someone or someones basically
start advertising CSA2 and how to join. And that is very unfortunate,
because both CSA2 groups really have a lot to offer that isn't on the
www.
"Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev'" wrote:
I will never use FarceBook (sic.) as long as they disrespect people by
profiting off other people's data. (Not saying Google is any better.)
m.
Farcebook. That's a pretty good one. I'm actually happy to learn that
I'm not the only one who feels that Farcebook is absolute crap.
On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 7:06:53 PM UTC-5, fadden wrote:
"Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups (at
groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to
Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view and
search for historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on
Google Groups."
That might put a damper on the viability of csa2/cea2/csa2p.
Certainly seems like the end of an era doesn't it? Like when all the roundtables and discussion groups closed down on the various online services. I'll admit that I've been tired of wading through all the
spam to see new messages lately, so I'm not surprised that Google is
finally killing the newsgroups. Hopefully AtariAge will pick up the
slack and be a centralized location for Apple II discussion, but I might
be a bit biased there. :)
"Michael 'AppleWin Debugger Dev'" wrote:
I will never use FarceBook (sic.) as long as they disrespect people by
profiting off other people's data. (Not saying Google is any better.)
m.
Farcebook. That's a pretty good one. I'm actually happy to learn that
I'm not the only one who feels that Farcebook is absolute crap.
On Sat, 16 Dec 2023, Kent Dickey wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
mmphosis <[email protected]> wrote:
I will continue to post on USENET.
https://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1&id=302149
and elsewhere ...
I'm just pointing out clearly that macgui.com lets anyone read
comp.sys.apple2 (and some other groups) using a web-browser at:
https://macgui.com/usenet/ and it says by creating an account
there, you can post as well (I've not done this though). This might
be a reasonable fit for apple 2 folks using google groups.
Kent
It's my Plan B for when Eternal September hacks up a hairball.
-uso.
"Steve Nickolas" wrote:
That is, if Nutari doesn't decide they're going to rejig it into a
specific to tooting their own horn and get rid of all the non-Atari
stuff. (I'm fully expecting that to happen *eventually*)...
I'm with you on that one.
May I ask what system you used to post? Here on my IIgs your post
included a bunch of stuff about MIME conversions, and it made me curious about how others might be connecting.
Steve Nickolas <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2023, Kent Dickey wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
mmphosis <[email protected]> wrote:
I will continue to post on USENET.
https://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1&id=302149
and elsewhere ...
I'm just pointing out clearly that macgui.com lets anyone read
comp.sys.apple2 (and some other groups) using a web-browser at:
https://macgui.com/usenet/ and it says by creating an account
there, you can post as well (I've not done this though). This might
be a reasonable fit for apple 2 folks using google groups.
Kent
It's my Plan B for when Eternal September hacks up a hairball.
-uso.
You'll need a Plan C in that event, because Mac GUI uses Eternal-September for NNTP access.
:-0
On 2023-12-15 00:41:31 +0000, TRS-90 said:
That might put a damper on the viability of csa2/cea2/csa2p.
That's a polite way of putting it.
I think this could kill the csa2 groups. This sucks. For me at least,
Google Groups was how I found CSA2 in the first place, and I imagine
that is the same for many. So now new-commers won't even be able to
find it?
Google Groups has always been an extremely crap way to read Usenet, as
well as a source of tons of tolling morons. Anyone with sense gets a
Usenet provider service (there are free ones) and a proper newsreader
app.
I would probably be okay with web based message boards if they could
write them to work like earlier systems like usenet and BBS boards.
Having unread messages clearly marked and easily accessed. "Offline"
reading would also be wonderful. Being able to grab all new messages at
once and read and reply at my leisure and then upload the replies either >immediately or in a bunch at once.
I would probably be okay with web based message boards if they could
write them to work like earlier systems like usenet and BBS boards.
Having unread messages clearly marked and easily accessed. "Offline"
reading would also be wonderful. Being able to grab all new messages at
once and read and reply at my leisure and then upload the replies either >immediately or in a bunch at once.
If RSS feeds are available on a given site, you can use those in a feed reader to track topics with new posts.
I will continue to post on USENET.
https://macgui.com/usenet/?group=1&id=302149
and elsewhere ...
Forums
https://forums.atariage.com/forum/158-apple-ii-computers/ * thanks to "I am Rob"
https://www.applefritter.com/forum/84 https://68kmla.org/bb/index.php?forums/apple-i-lisa.27/ https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?forums/early-apple-i-etc.32/ https://old.reddit.com/r/apple2/
In Print!
https://juiced.gs/
Podcasts
https://rcrpodcast.com/
https://www.open-apple.net/
https://monsterfeet.com/1mhz/
Community
https://joinmastodon.org/servers * for example: https://techtoots.com/tags/appleii
https://apple2.gs/communities.php
https://a2central.com/resources/community/
Other
https://www.kansasfest.org/
http://www.textfiles.com/apple/
http://www.textfiles.com/apple/THELAMP/
https://www.apl2bits.net/
https://apple2online.com/
http://www.woz.org/
Any others?
fadden wrote:Groups (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups,
"Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google
That might put a damper on the viability ofcsa2/cea2/csa2p.
fadden wrote:Groups (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups,
"Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google
That might put a damper on the viability of csa2/cea2/csa2p.
I personally baulk at contributing apple 2 information to a site with Atari in the domain name. That just seems misplaced.
On 2023-12-18 3:21 p.m., Scott Alfter wrote:
If RSS feeds are available on a given site, you can use those in a feed
reader to track topics with new posts.
I vaguely remember trying RSS feeds when they first came into being but
I know I didn't continue using them. Probably because they didn't work
the way I would like.
I'm pretty sure the Facebook groups, which were quite active when I was
using them, will not have RSS feeds.
mmphosis <[email protected]> wrote:
I do however highly recommend the A2 Infinitum Slack space http://apple2.gs/slack
There are channels to follow and chronological content and searching and threads (which don’t get used enough) - but it is possible to keep up and catch up.
There’s a bestof channel which in theory gets cross posts into interesting threads so if you wanted to see what you’ve missed up until now you could start there.
Andrew Roughan <[email protected]d> wrote:
mmphosis <[email protected]> wrote:
I do however highly recommend the A2 Infinitum Slack space
http://apple2.gs/slack
There are channels to follow and chronological content and
searching and threads (which don’t get used enough) - but it is
possible to keep up and catch up. There’s a bestof channel which in
theory gets cross posts into interesting threads so if you wanted
to see what you’ve missed up until now you could start there.
I thought that this may stir some interest in the Slack space, but it
does not appear to have enticed anyone. Which is perplexing when I
tried to give it a great wrap.
Andrew Roughan <[email protected]d> wrote:
mmphosis <[email protected]> wrote:
I do however highly recommend the A2 Infinitum Slack space
http://apple2.gs/slack
There are channels to follow and chronological content and searching and
threads (which don’t get used enough) - but it is possible to keep up and >> catch up.
There’s a bestof channel which in theory gets cross posts into interesting >> threads so if you wanted to see what you’ve missed up until now you could >> start there.
I thought that this may stir some interest in the Slack space, but it does not appear to have enticed anyone. Which is perplexing when I tried to give it a great wrap.
Andrew Roughan <[email protected]d> wrote:
mmphosis <[email protected]> wrote:
I do however highly recommend the A2 Infinitum Slack space
http://apple2.gs/slack
There are channels to follow and chronological content and searching and >>> threads (which don’t get used enough) - but it is possible to keep up and >>> catch up.
There’s a bestof channel which in theory gets cross posts into >interesting
threads so if you wanted to see what you’ve missed up until now you could >>> start there.
I thought that this may stir some interest in the Slack space, but it does >> not appear to have enticed anyone. Which is perplexing when I tried to give >> it a great wrap.
I went to the site. No HTTPS certificate, for one thing. Tried to sign
up and got an error: "Error:Error: certificate has expired". Sounds
like the same problem in two forms.
In article <[email protected]>, Jerry Penner <[email protected]> wrote:
Andrew Roughan <[email protected]d> writes:
Andrew Roughan <[email protected]d> wrote:interesting
mmphosis <[email protected]> wrote:
I do however highly recommend the A2 Infinitum Slack space
http://apple2.gs/slack
There are channels to follow and chronological content and searching and >>>> threads (which don’t get used enough) - but it is possible to keep up and
catch up.
There’s a bestof channel which in theory gets cross posts into
threads so if you wanted to see what you’ve missed up until now you could
start there.
I thought that this may stir some interest in the Slack space, but it does >>> not appear to have enticed anyone. Which is perplexing when I tried to give >>> it a great wrap.
I went to the site. No HTTPS certificate, for one thing. Tried to sign
up and got an error: "Error:Error: certificate has expired". Sounds
like the same problem in two forms.
No certificate errors here (must've been upgraded), but demanding an email address right off the bat is a turn-off.
Andrew Roughan <[email protected]d> wrote:
mmphosis <[email protected]> wrote:
I do however highly recommend the A2 Infinitum Slack space
http://apple2.gs/slack
There are channels to follow and chronological content and searching and
threads (which don’t get used enough) - but it is possible to keep up and >> catch up.
There’s a bestof channel which in theory gets cross posts into interesting >> threads so if you wanted to see what you’ve missed up until now you could >> start there.
I thought that this may stir some interest in the Slack space, but it does >not appear to have enticed anyone. Which is perplexing when I tried to give >it a great wrap.
Regards
Andrew
I went to the site. No HTTPS certificate, for one thing. Tried
to sign up and got an error: "Error:Error: certificate has
expired". Sounds like the same problem in two forms.
No certificate errors here (must've been upgraded), but demanding
an email address right off the bat is a turn-off.
I get the same error message trying with 4 different browsers. I've
been trying to access slack for over a month.
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 17:35:03 -0000 (UTC)
You're Kidding <[email protected]> wrote:
I went to the site. No HTTPS certificate, for one thing. Tried
to sign up and got an error: "Error:Error: certificate has
expired". Sounds like the same problem in two forms.
No certificate errors here (must've been upgraded), but demanding
an email address right off the bat is a turn-off.
I get the same error message trying with 4 different browsers. I've
been trying to access slack for over a month.
At http://apple2.gs:3000/invite I get:
Error:Error: certificate has expired
The the first error is an error, so I'm not sure what the real error
is. Haha
The http://apple2.gs/slack site has now been fixed by Dagen Brock.
Try to join again.
Kent
In article <20231230122350.1f7ee9cc@smilodon-gracilis>,
Bill Chatfield <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 17:35:03 -0000 (UTC)
You're Kidding <[email protected]> wrote:
I went to the site. No HTTPS certificate, for one thing. Tried
to sign up and got an error: "Error:Error: certificate has
expired". Sounds like the same problem in two forms.
No certificate errors here (must've been upgraded), but demanding
an email address right off the bat is a turn-off.
I get the same error message trying with 4 different browsers. I've
been trying to access slack for over a month.
At http://apple2.gs:3000/invite I get:
Error:Error: certificate has expired
The the first error is an error, so I'm not sure what the real error
is. Haha
The http://apple2.gs/slack site has now been fixed by Dagen Brock. Try
to join again.
"Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups ...
That's so typical Google - killing services at a whim.
Most Internet Service Providers
killed off their free Usenet access years ago
(as well as free email and website space), and yet
continue to charge more and more money for less and less services.
The burning of the library of Alexandria is NOTHING compared to all the knowledge lost
when Yahoo groups, Delphi Forums, GEnie roundtables ... shut down
with no consideration for archiving.
Jeff Jonas wrote:
The burning of the library of Alexandria is NOTHING compared to all the
knowledge lost
when Yahoo groups, Delphi Forums, GEnie roundtables ... shut down
with no consideration for archiving.
Thus destruction, the fate of all things.
My problem with slack is they dropped support for older OSX versions.
I do however highly recommend the A2 Infinitum Slack space
http://apple2.gs/slack
Now I can only access slack via my iPhone but not my Macs. It is not
much fun using the iPhone so I have stopped using slack. There must be
a better discussion platform.
It is not about the OSX version, but about the latest web browser that
can work on that OSX. What version of OSX are you using? I am using
FireFox on 10.13, and both are already outdated.
With Firefox 115, users on macOS 10.12 (Sierra), macOS 10.13
(High Sierra) and macOS 10.14 (Mojave) will automatically be
moved to the Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR).
Linux dual boots quite happily on an intel Mac. I have it on a 2009 Mini, and there Firefox is supported. Slow, but supported. On a 2012 mini ($100 used) Linux is quite spritely. I use the Xfce version as supposedly it's easier on the graphics.
It may come down to that option in the end.
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