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  • Seagate plans 50TB spinning rust by 2026

    From Mark Perkins@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Nov 8 10:45:33 2019
    On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:15:04 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    https://techreport.com/news/3466913/seagate-50tb-hard-drive-roadmap/

    Nice. I like it. Bigger is (usually) better. If nothing else, it pushes
    prices down on the next smaller size.

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  • From Percival P. Cassidy@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 8 11:15:04 2019
    https://techreport.com/news/3466913/seagate-50tb-hard-drive-roadmap/

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  • From Yousuf Khan@21:1/5 to Percival P. Cassidy on Sun Nov 17 02:43:25 2019
    On 11/8/2019 11:15 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
    https://techreport.com/news/3466913/seagate-50tb-hard-drive-roadmap/

    It seems rather optimistic that there will still be hard drives by then.
    I can recall six years out from the end of floppy disks that it was
    already pretty obvious that they were going to be gone soon. I get the
    same feeling with HDD's.

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  • From Roger Blake@21:1/5 to Yousuf Khan on Sun Nov 17 16:53:15 2019
    On 2019-11-17, Yousuf Khan <[email protected]> wrote:
    It seems rather optimistic that there will still be hard drives by then.
    I can recall six years out from the end of floppy disks that it was
    already pretty obvious that they were going to be gone soon. I get the
    same feeling with HDD's.

    How much will a 50TB SSD cost versus Seagate's 50TB HDD?

    Spinning drives will be around until the cost of SSD storage
    reaches parity with them.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Roger Blake on Sun Nov 17 14:31:18 2019
    Roger Blake <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 2019-11-17, Yousuf Khan <[email protected]> wrote:
    It seems rather optimistic that there will still be hard drives by then.
    I can recall six years out from the end of floppy disks that it was
    already pretty obvious that they were going to be gone soon. I get the
    same feeling with HDD's.

    How much will a 50TB SSD cost versus Seagate's 50TB HDD?

    Spinning drives will be around until the cost of SSD storage
    reaches parity with them.

    Ditto. Huge sized SSDs are still too expensive. :(
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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Roger Blake on Mon Nov 18 18:06:13 2019
    On 11/17/2019 10:53 AM, Roger Blake wrote:
    On 2019-11-17, Yousuf Khan <[email protected]> wrote:
    It seems rather optimistic that there will still be hard drives by then.
    I can recall six years out from the end of floppy disks that it was
    already pretty obvious that they were going to be gone soon. I get the
    same feeling with HDD's.

    How much will a 50TB SSD cost versus Seagate's 50TB HDD?

    Spinning drives will be around until the cost of SSD storage
    reaches parity with them.

    Samsung 4 TB SSD: $450
    https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-SATA-Internal-Gray/dp/B07L3CLM2B/

    Seagate 12 TB HD: $313

    https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-IronWolf-12TB-Internal-Drive/dp/B075XPBD5B/

    So it looks like HD's are 23% of the current price of an SSD. That is a
    big difference to make up.

    Lynn

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Nov 18 19:48:15 2019
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 11/17/2019 10:53 AM, Roger Blake wrote:
    On 2019-11-17, Yousuf Khan <[email protected]> wrote:
    It seems rather optimistic that there will still be hard drives by then. >> I can recall six years out from the end of floppy disks that it was
    already pretty obvious that they were going to be gone soon. I get the
    same feeling with HDD's.

    How much will a 50TB SSD cost versus Seagate's 50TB HDD?

    Spinning drives will be around until the cost of SSD storage
    reaches parity with them.

    Samsung 4 TB SSD: $450
    https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-SATA-Internal-Gray/dp/B07L3CLM2B/

    Seagate 12 TB HD: $313

    https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-IronWolf-12TB-Internal-Drive/dp/B075XPBD5B/

    So it looks like HD's are 23% of the current price of an SSD. That is a
    big difference to make up.

    Yup. I wonder when huge SSDs will be similar and cheaper to their HDDs.
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  • From Mark Perkins@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Nov 18 23:28:50 2019
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:48:15 -0600, [email protected] (Ant) wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 11/17/2019 10:53 AM, Roger Blake wrote:
    On 2019-11-17, Yousuf Khan <[email protected]> wrote:
    It seems rather optimistic that there will still be hard drives by then. >> >> I can recall six years out from the end of floppy disks that it was
    already pretty obvious that they were going to be gone soon. I get the
    same feeling with HDD's.

    How much will a 50TB SSD cost versus Seagate's 50TB HDD?

    Spinning drives will be around until the cost of SSD storage
    reaches parity with them.

    Samsung 4 TB SSD: $450
    https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-SATA-Internal-Gray/dp/B07L3CLM2B/

    Seagate 12 TB HD: $313

    https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-IronWolf-12TB-Internal-Drive/dp/B075XPBD5B/

    So it looks like HD's are 23% of the current price of an SSD. That is a
    big difference to make up.

    Yup. I wonder when huge SSDs will be similar and cheaper to their HDDs.

    At least you said 'when' and not 'if'. Over the past few years, SSD prices
    have been falling steadily, and sometimes in big chunks, so it's probably
    just a matter of time. It's hard to guess when that will be, so I'll play
    it safe and say 'less than two years'. BICBW

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Mark Perkins on Tue Nov 19 23:23:52 2019
    Mark Perkins <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:48:15 -0600, [email protected] (Ant) wrote:

    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 11/17/2019 10:53 AM, Roger Blake wrote:
    On 2019-11-17, Yousuf Khan <[email protected]> wrote:
    It seems rather optimistic that there will still be hard drives by then.
    I can recall six years out from the end of floppy disks that it was
    already pretty obvious that they were going to be gone soon. I get the >> >> same feeling with HDD's.

    How much will a 50TB SSD cost versus Seagate's 50TB HDD?

    Spinning drives will be around until the cost of SSD storage
    reaches parity with them.

    Samsung 4 TB SSD: $450
    https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-SATA-Internal-Gray/dp/B07L3CLM2B/

    Seagate 12 TB HD: $313

    https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-IronWolf-12TB-Internal-Drive/dp/B075XPBD5B/

    So it looks like HD's are 23% of the current price of an SSD. That is a >> big difference to make up.

    Yup. I wonder when huge SSDs will be similar and cheaper to their HDDs.

    At least you said 'when' and not 'if'. Over the past few years, SSD prices have been falling steadily, and sometimes in big chunks, so it's probably just a matter of time. It's hard to guess when that will be, so I'll play
    it safe and say 'less than two years'. BICBW

    That's not too bad. :)
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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Nov 20 22:13:10 2019
    Ant <[email protected]> wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:

    So it looks like HD's are 23% of the current price of an SSD. That is a
    big difference to make up.

    Yup. I wonder when huge SSDs will be similar and cheaper to their HDDs.

    I would be more interested if they focused on better reliability
    compared to HDDs instead of trying to match for size. It was that
    aspect which excited me about the future of SSDs when they started
    to arrive.

    With hindsight I now see that the business incentive is far in the
    favour of making bigger/faster drives to encourage people to upgrade,
    rather than longer-term reliable drives which would discourage upgrading/replacement.

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to Computer Nerd Kev on Thu Nov 21 15:06:10 2019
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 22:13:10 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]d
    (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

    With hindsight I now see that the business incentive is far in the
    favour of making bigger/faster drives to encourage people to upgrade,
    rather than longer-term reliable drives which would discourage >upgrading/replacement.

    You need to replace your failed hindsight. Most people upgrade because
    they need more storage space within a limited number of drive bays, so
    larger capacity drives at a reasonable price is what they will buy.

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  • From Mark Perkins@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Nov 21 16:40:06 2019
    On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:06:10 -0600, [email protected] wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 22:13:10 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]d
    (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

    With hindsight I now see that the business incentive is far in the
    favour of making bigger/faster drives to encourage people to upgrade, >>rather than longer-term reliable drives which would discourage >>upgrading/replacement.

    You need to replace your failed hindsight. Most people upgrade because
    they need more storage space within a limited number of drive bays, so
    larger capacity drives at a reasonable price is what they will buy.

    Thank you. That is exactly the situation I've been in for a couple of
    decades now.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Mark Perkins on Sat Nov 23 06:17:41 2019
    Mark Perkins <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:06:10 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 22:13:10 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]d
    (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

    With hindsight I now see that the business incentive is far in the
    favour of making bigger/faster drives to encourage people to upgrade, >>>rather than longer-term reliable drives which would discourage >>>upgrading/replacement.

    You need to replace your failed hindsight. Most people upgrade because
    they need more storage space within a limited number of drive bays, so >>larger capacity drives at a reasonable price is what they will buy.

    Thank you. That is exactly the situation I've been in for a couple of
    decades now.

    And I'm in another situation, and thereby in a market which the
    manufacturers are not trying very hard to serve at all. Given the
    variety of applications that HDD/SSDs may be put to, I suspect that
    there are plenty who, like me, would appreciate drives designed with
    a focus on improved reliability over storage space.

    But I haven't got any figures for that, so I won't argue about it any
    more, or at least against vague statements about the intentions of
    "most people".

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