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  • What are considered vintage these days?

    From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 13 00:40:39 2019
    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)
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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Nov 13 19:53:37 2019
    On 2019-11-13 06:40:39 +0000, Ant said:

    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    Depends on who you ask and how you define the word.

    According to EveryMac.com, "Vintage" is for models released between
    1984 to 1998. <https://everymac.com/systems/apple/index-apple-specs-applespec.html#apple_mac_specs_vintage>


    According to Apple, "vintage" is defined as ...

    "products�are those that have not been manufactured
    for more than 5 and less than 7 years ago."

    Older than that they become termed "obsolete". <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624>

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Nov 13 03:46:00 2019
    In article <[email protected]>, Ant <[email protected]> wrote:

    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

    nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624>

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Nov 14 01:44:57 2019
    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, Ant <[email protected]> wrote:

    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

    nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624>

    Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops? :/
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  • From Stephen Cole@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu Nov 14 09:50:57 2019
    XPost: uk.comp.vintage

    Ant <[email protected]> wrote:
    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?


    Different people will have different definitions of “vintage”. For me, it’s
    vintage if it can’t comfortably run current (or near-current) versions of essential software, which I think applies to PowerBooks and original
    MacBooks. Those machines can certainly still serve as useful daily
    computers, though, as long as era-specific software is used and certain compromises are accepted.

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  • From Al Kossow@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Nov 14 08:06:08 2019
    On 11/14/19 7:32 AM, nospam wrote:

    the only definition that matters is apple's.


    (removed uk.comp.vintage)



    CHARTER:

    The newsgroup comp.sys.mac.vintage is intended for all discussions regarding the use and maintenance of Apple Macintosh computers capable of running Mac OS systems 1.0 through 9.2.2, as well as any computers identified by Apple as either vintage (discontinued between 5-7 years ago) or obsolete (discontinued more than seven years ago). Since some of these latter computers that can run OS X may still be new enough to warrant discussion on the main Macintosh newsgroups, it is up to the discretion of the poster to choose the appropriate newsgroup. For all other Old World computers running OS 9 or any older OS, all discussions are on-topic for comp.sys.mac.vintage.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Nov 14 10:32:40 2019
    XPost: uk.comp.vintage

    In article <[email protected]>, Stephen Cole <[email protected]> wrote:

    Different people will have different definitions of �vintage�.

    the only definition that matters is apple's.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu Nov 14 17:31:27 2019
    On 2019-11-14, Ant <[email protected]> wrote:
    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, Ant
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

    nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624>

    Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops? :/

    It might have something to do with the fact that they typically sit on
    top of a desk or table while being used. :/

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Nov 14 13:09:35 2019
    XPost: uk.comp.vintage

    In article <[email protected]>, Huge
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Different people will have different definitions of 3vintage2.

    the only definition that matters is apple's.

    Umm, no. The only definition that matters is the market's.

    nope. apple makes and supports the products, so they get to decide when
    it's vintage or obsolete. nobody else.

    same for any other product manufacturer.

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  • From Huge@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Nov 14 17:38:13 2019
    XPost: uk.comp.vintage

    On 2019-11-14, nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, Stephen Cole
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Different people will have different definitions of ³vintage².

    the only definition that matters is apple's.

    Umm, no. The only definition that matters is the market's.


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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Nov 14 14:29:54 2019
    XPost: uk.comp.vintage

    In article <[email protected]>, Huge
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Different people will have different definitions of 3vintage2.

    the only definition that matters is apple's.

    Umm, no. The only definition that matters is the market's.

    nope. apple makes and supports the products, so they get to decide when it's vintage or obsolete. nobody else.

    Oh, I see. You're making your own definitions for words up as you
    go along. "Obsolete", sure. But "vintage"? Nope.

    i'm not the one making up definitions. that would be *you*.

    apple is the *only* entity who decides whether *their* products are
    currently supported, vintage or obsolete. nobody else.

    the same applies to every other manufacturer for their own product
    lines.

    simple concept, really.

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  • From Huge@21:1/5 to nospam on Thu Nov 14 19:20:58 2019
    XPost: uk.comp.vintage

    On 2019-11-14, nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, Huge
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Different people will have different definitions of 3vintage2.

    the only definition that matters is apple's.

    Umm, no. The only definition that matters is the market's.

    nope. apple makes and supports the products, so they get to decide when
    it's vintage or obsolete. nobody else.

    Oh, I see. You're making your own definitions for words up as you
    go along. "Obsolete", sure. But "vintage"? Nope.

    *plonk*

    (In fact, I'm not sure why you aren't in the "ostentatiously
    anonymous twats" section of my killfile already.)


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  • From Stephen Harker@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Nov 15 18:56:52 2019
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> writes:

    On 2019-11-14, Ant <[email protected]> wrote:
    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, Ant
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

    nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624>

    Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops? :/

    It might have something to do with the fact that they typically sit on
    top of a desk or table while being used. :/

    That is why they are desktops. However, they are not Macs.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Stephen Harker on Fri Nov 15 15:30:45 2019
    On 2019-11-15, Stephen Harker <[email protected]> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <[email protected]> writes:

    On 2019-11-14, Ant <[email protected]> wrote:
    nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, Ant
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now? >>>
    nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624>

    Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops? :/

    It might have something to do with the fact that they typically sit on
    top of a desk or table while being used. :/

    That is why they are desktops. However, they are not Macs.

    While that's a good point, the obvious answer is that Apple doesn't
    actually consider them to be Macs, and that they show up in that list
    on that page simply because they are Apple computers that are now obsolete.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Nov 15 10:39:29 2019
    In article <[email protected]>, Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:

    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now? >>>
    nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624>

    Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops? >>> :/

    It might have something to do with the fact that they typically sit on
    top of a desk or table while being used. :/

    That is why they are desktops. However, they are not Macs.

    While that's a good point, the obvious answer is that Apple doesn't
    actually consider them to be Macs, and that they show up in that list
    on that page simply because they are Apple computers that are now obsolete.

    it's not worth having an entirely separate section for only 3 models.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Nov 15 18:39:46 2019
    On 2019-11-15, nospam <[email protected]d> wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, Jolly Roger
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

    nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624>

    Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac
    desktops? :/

    It might have something to do with the fact that they typically
    sit on top of a desk or table while being used. :/

    That is why they are desktops. However, they are not Macs.

    While that's a good point, the obvious answer is that Apple doesn't
    actually consider them to be Macs, and that they show up in that list
    on that page simply because they are Apple computers that are now
    obsolete.

    it's not worth having an entirely separate section for only 3 models.

    You'd think this would be obvious. Then again, it's "Ant" who is
    complaining. So perhaps not. :/

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  • From Stephen Harker@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Nov 16 06:19:29 2019
    nospam <[email protected]d> writes:

    In article <[email protected]>, Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote:

    Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

    nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624>

    Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops?
    :/

    It might have something to do with the fact that they typically sit on
    top of a desk or table while being used. :/

    That is why they are desktops. However, they are not Macs.

    While that's a good point, the obvious answer is that Apple doesn't
    actually consider them to be Macs, and that they show up in that list
    on that page simply because they are Apple computers that are now obsolete.

    it's not worth having an entirely separate section for only 3 models.

    While the likely answer, there are actually at least Apple I, Apple ][,
    Apple ][+, Apple //e, Apple //c, Apple //GS, Apple III and Apple
    IIIPlus. Those are the models I recall from the time and may not be
    complete.

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