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  • Re: MS-DOS 7.1

    From Felicia@21:1/5 to Daniel Hamilton on Fri Dec 24 14:40:41 2021
    On Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 2:16:46 PM UTC-7, Daniel Hamilton wrote:

    All this "MS-DOS 7.1" is, is a copy of the DOS supplied with either
    Windows 95 OSR2, Windows 98, or Windows 98 Second Edition. This person
    took the COMMAND.COM and butchered it with a hex editor to make it say MS-DOS 7.1.

    I just want to say that "MS-DOS 7.1", regardless of how it was created, is actually a great version of DOS to use if you're making a DOS system for any reason. Among other things, it features tab completion which is very useful.

    Following richud's instructions (https://www.richud.com/wiki/Ubuntu_Create_Floppy_Image) I was able to edit the DOS 7.1 disk01.img and remove SETUP.BAT and references to it in AUTOEXEC.BAT which makes it very useful for creating utility disks (for
    example for BIOS updates on old systems).

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Felicia on Fri Dec 24 16:45:38 2021
    On 12/24/21 3:40 PM, Felicia wrote:
    I just want to say that "MS-DOS 7.1", regardless of how it was created,
    is actually a great version of DOS to use if you're making a DOS system
    for any reason. Among other things, it features tab completion which
    is very useful.

    I've found that MS-DOS 7.1 (from Windows 95 / 98) to be problematic for
    some things that I want to do. As such I've tended to revert to MS-DOS
    6.22 or other DOS. This usually presents itself with non-Microsoft
    products, particularly network related, e.g. Novell NetWare (server).



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    Grant. . . .
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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Fri Dec 24 17:42:17 2021
    On 12/24/21 5:36 PM, Louis Ohland wrote:
    PC-DOS 7.1?

    I didn't try IBM's PC-DOS 7.1. I should.

    As I type this reply I'm struggling to remember where PC-DOS 2000 lands
    in the PC-DOS version numbers. I'm focusing on PC-DOS 2000 because I
    believe I have a physical copy of it somewhere in my collection.

    I've usually ended up using MS-DOS 6.22 or Novell DOS that comes with
    the NetWare, depending on version. NetWare 5.x tends to come with
    Novell DOS.



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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Fri Dec 24 18:36:52 2021
    PC-DOS 7.1?

    On 12/24/2021 17:45, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/24/21 3:40 PM, Felicia wrote:
    I just want to say that "MS-DOS 7.1", regardless of how it was
    created, is actually a great version of DOS to use if you're making a
    DOS system for any reason.  Among other things, it features tab
    completion which is very useful.

    I've found that MS-DOS 7.1 (from Windows 95 / 98) to be problematic for
    some things that I want to do.  As such I've tended to revert to MS-DOS
    6.22 or other DOS.  This usually presents itself with non-Microsoft products, particularly network related, e.g. Novell NetWare (server).




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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Fri Dec 24 19:16:52 2021
    PC DOS 7.1 was never released as such, but it was part of a toolkit to
    install some sort of networking?

    There was a way to extract the good stuff, but that's above my pay
    grade. At one time, Tim Clarke was looking into it.

    On 12/24/2021 18:42, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/24/21 5:36 PM, Louis Ohland wrote:
    PC-DOS 7.1?

    I didn't try IBM's PC-DOS 7.1.  I should.

    As I type this reply I'm struggling to remember where PC-DOS 2000 lands
    in the PC-DOS version numbers.  I'm focusing on PC-DOS 2000 because I believe I have a physical copy of it somewhere in my collection.

    I've usually ended up using MS-DOS 6.22 or Novell DOS that comes with
    the NetWare, depending on version.  NetWare 5.x tends to come with
    Novell DOS.




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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Fri Dec 24 18:51:19 2021
    On 12/24/21 6:16 PM, Louis Ohland wrote:
    PC DOS 7.1 was never released as such, but it was part of a toolkit to install some sort of networking?

    Odd.

    Maybe I'm thinking of retail boxes of PC-DOS 7.0.

    There was a way to extract the good stuff, but that's above my pay
    grade. At one time, Tim Clarke was looking into it.

    You should be able to copy IBMBIO.SYS, IBMDOS.SYS, and COMMAND.COM off
    of any bootable disk. -- I think that's the file names, if I'm
    remembering correctly.



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    Grant. . . .
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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Fri Dec 24 19:17:56 2021
    PC DOS 2000 was superseded by PC DOS 7.1

    On 12/24/2021 19:16, Louis Ohland wrote:
    PC DOS 7.1 was never released as such, but it was part of a toolkit to install some sort of networking?

    There was a way to extract the good stuff, but that's above my pay
    grade. At one time, Tim Clarke was looking into it.

    On 12/24/2021 18:42, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/24/21 5:36 PM, Louis Ohland wrote:
    PC-DOS 7.1?

    I didn't try IBM's PC-DOS 7.1.  I should.

    As I type this reply I'm struggling to remember where PC-DOS 2000
    lands in the PC-DOS version numbers.  I'm focusing on PC-DOS 2000
    because I believe I have a physical copy of it somewhere in my
    collection.

    I've usually ended up using MS-DOS 6.22 or Novell DOS that comes with
    the NetWare, depending on version.  NetWare 5.x tends to come with
    Novell DOS.





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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Fri Dec 24 19:24:32 2021
    On 12/24/21 6:51 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Ya.  I thought something like that had happened.

    I see boxed copies of PC-DOS 7(.0) on eBay.

    However, 7.0 != 7.1.

    I can see how IBM might have updated 7.0 to 7.1 for use in things.
    There might even be a patch for 7.0 to bring it up to 7.1 if you know
    where to look.



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    Grant. . . .
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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Sat Dec 25 08:51:54 2021
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_DOS#PC_DOS_7.1

    "PC DOS 7

    PC DOS 7 was released in April 1995 and was the last release of DOS
    before IBM software development (other than the development IBM
    ViaVoice) moved to Austin. The REXX programming language was added, as
    well as support for a new floppy disk format, XDF, which extended a
    standard 1.44 MB floppy disk to 1.86 MB. SuperStor disk compression
    technology was replaced with Stac Electronics' STACKER. An algebraic
    command line calculator and a utility program to load device drivers
    from the command line were added. PC DOS 7 also included many
    optimizations to increase performance and reduce memory usage.[16]

    PC DOS 2000

    The most recent retail release was PC DOS 2000 – released from Austin in
    1998 – which found its niche in the embedded software market and
    elsewhere. PC DOS 2000 is a slipstream of 7.0 with Y2K and other fixes
    applied. To applications, PC DOS 2000 reports itself as "IBM PC DOS
    7.00, revision 1", in contrast to the original PC DOS 7, which reported
    itself as "IBM PC DOS 7.00, revision 0".[nb 1]

    Hitachi used PC DOS 2000 in their legacy Drive Fitness Test (4.15) and
    Hitachi Feature Tool (2.15) until 2009.[17] ThinkPad products had a copy
    of the latest version of PC DOS in their Rescue and Recovery partition.[18]

    PC DOS 7.1

    PC DOS 7.1 added support for Logical Block Addressing (LBA) and FAT32 partitions.[nb 1] Various builds from 1999 up to 2003 were not released
    in retail, but used in products such as the IBM ServerGuide Scripting Toolkit.[19] A build of this version of DOS appeared in Norton Ghost
    from Symantec.[20] Version 7.1 indicates support for FAT32 also in
    MS-DOS.[16]

    Most builds of this version of DOS are limited to the kernel files
    IBMBIO.COM, IBMDOS.COM, and COMMAND.COM. The updated programs FDISK32
    and FORMAT32 allow one to prepare FAT32 disks. Additional utilities are
    taken from PC DOS 2000, where needed. "

    On 12/25/2021 08:48, Louis Ohland wrote:
    Never seen a patch.

    On 12/24/2021 20:24, Grant Taylor wrote:
    There might even be a patch for 7.0 to bring it up to 7.1 if you know
    where to look.


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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sat Dec 25 08:48:28 2021
    Never seen a patch.

    On 12/24/2021 20:24, Grant Taylor wrote:
    There might even be a patch for 7.0 to bring it up to 7.1 if you know
    where to look.

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