• My IBM PS/2 8595-AKD missing power.

    From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 22 10:14:35 2022
    I have saved my old 8595 in my warm storage for over ten years. I took it out and tried to boot it. It started well but after few checkpoints power went off. I tried to start it again but it didn´t boot at all and power was off. I guess that either
    power unit or power switch is broken. Is there any fuses to check and replace in power unit or mainboard?

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Sun May 22 12:23:28 2022
    https://ardent-tool.com/85_95/Op_Panel.html#Test_Switch ?

    On 5/22/2022 12:14, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I have saved my old 8595 in my warm storage for over ten years. I took it out and tried to boot it. It started well but after few checkpoints power went off. I tried to start it again but it didn´t boot at all and power was off. I guess that either
    power unit or power switch is broken. Is there any fuses to check and replace in power unit or mainboard?

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  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 11:59:25 2023
    perjantai 6. tammikuuta 2023 klo 21.49.43 UTC+2 Pertti Helander kirjoitti:
    sunnuntai 22. toukokuuta 2022 klo 20.23.30 UTC+3 Louis Ohland kirjADoitti:
    https://ardent-tool.com/85_95/Op_Panel.html#Test_Switch ?
    On 5/22/2022 12:14, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I have saved my old 8595 in my warm storage for over ten years. I took it out and tried to boot it. It started well but after few checkpoints power went off. I tried to start it again but it didn´t boot at all and power was off. I guess that
    either power unit or power switch is broken. Is there any fuses to check and replace in power unit or mainboard?
    I tested the power switch by removing bezel , pulling out card and closed circuit pins 1 and 4 but no power on. So is the power unit broken or where else I can start to look at? My PS/2 is Type 8595-AKD, cpu board is 61G2343 486DX2 33/66, 16 MB Ram,
    XGA2, original SoudBlaster MCA, 2,88 FDD, 2 scsi HD + 2 scsi cdrom drive and Windows 95 OS. I like to start using it and learn more about MCA systems. I have somewhere an original OS/2 Warp box and like to install it to my 8595 if I can make it working.
    If not must I sell it as whole or by parts and that´s a pity. I had ten years ago two 8580 towers, one working and another for spare parts but I was moving to another apartment so I gave them recycled and saved only this 8595 and some MCA cards.

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  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 11:49:42 2023
    sunnuntai 22. toukokuuta 2022 klo 20.23.30 UTC+3 Louis Ohland kirjADoitti:
    https://ardent-tool.com/85_95/Op_Panel.html#Test_Switch ?
    On 5/22/2022 12:14, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I have saved my old 8595 in my warm storage for over ten years. I took it out and tried to boot it. It started well but after few checkpoints power went off. I tried to start it again but it didn´t boot at all and power was off. I guess that either
    power unit or power switch is broken. Is there any fuses to check and replace in power unit or mainboard?

    I tested the power switch by removing bezel , pulling out card and closed circuit pins 1 and 4 but no power on. So is the power unit broken or where else I can start to look at? My PS/2 is Type 8595-AKD, cpu board is 61G2343 486DX2 33/66, 16 MB Ram, XGA2,
    original SoudBlaster MCA, 2,88 FDD, 2 scsi HD + 2 scsi cdrom drive and Windows 95 OS. I like to start using it and learn more about MCA systems. I have somewhere an original OS/2 Warp box and like to install it to my 8595 if I can make it working. If
    not must I sell it as whole or by parts and that´s a pity. I had ten years ago two 8580 towers, one working and another for spare parts but I was moving to another apartment so I gave them recycled and saved only this 8595 and some MCA cards.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Fri Jan 6 15:31:54 2023
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Checking_Voltages

    "On all other power supplies, short pin 1 to pin 2 and read the voltages
    on the other pins. If the voltages are correct, and the power supply fan
    runs, the power supply is OK."

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Planar_PSU_Pinout

    1 Power ON/OFF OFF: +5 V, ON: Shorted to GND

    Pertti Helander wrote:
    sunnuntai 22. toukokuuta 2022 klo 20.23.30 UTC+3 Louis Ohland kirjADoitti:
    https://ardent-tool.com/85_95/Op_Panel.html#Test_Switch ?
    On 5/22/2022 12:14, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I have saved my old 8595 in my warm storage for over ten years. I took it out and tried to boot it. It started well but after few checkpoints power went off. I tried to start it again but it didn´t boot at all and power was off. I guess that either
    power unit or power switch is broken. Is there any fuses to check and replace in power unit or mainboard?

    I tested the power switch by removing bezel , pulling out card and closed circuit pins 1 and 4 but no power on. So is the power unit broken or where else I can start to look at? My PS/2 is Type 8595-AKD, cpu board is 61G2343 486DX2 33/66, 16 MB Ram,
    XGA2, original SoudBlaster MCA, 2,88 FDD, 2 scsi HD + 2 scsi cdrom drive and Windows 95 OS. I like to start using it and learn more about MCA systems. I have somewhere an original OS/2 Warp box and like to install it to my 8595 if I can make it working.
    If not must I sell it as whole or by parts and that´s a pity. I had ten years ago two 8580 towers, one working and another for spare parts but I was moving to another apartment so I gave them recycled and saved only this 8595 and some MCA cards.


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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Fri Jan 6 15:56:08 2023
    I suggested shorting 1,2 on the PSU's connector to totally eliminate
    issues on the op-panel PCB.

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Checking_Voltages

    "On all other power supplies, short pin 1 to pin 2 and read the voltages
    on the other pins. If the voltages are correct, and the power supply fan runs, the power supply is OK."

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Planar_PSU_Pinout

         1     Power ON/OFF     OFF: +5 V, ON: Shorted to GND

    Pertti Helander wrote:
    sunnuntai 22. toukokuuta 2022 klo 20.23.30 UTC+3 Louis Ohland
    kirjADoitti:
    https://ardent-tool.com/85_95/Op_Panel.html#Test_Switch ?
    On 5/22/2022 12:14, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I have saved my old 8595 in my warm storage for over ten years. I
    took it out and tried to boot it. It started well but after few
    checkpoints power went off. I tried to start it again but it didn´t
    boot at all and power was off. I guess that either power unit or
    power switch is broken. Is there any fuses to check and replace in
    power unit or mainboard?

    I tested the power switch by removing bezel , pulling out card and
    closed circuit pins 1 and 4 but no power on. So is the power unit
    broken or where else I can start to look at? My PS/2 is Type 8595-AKD,
    cpu board is 61G2343 486DX2 33/66, 16 MB Ram, XGA2, original
    SoudBlaster MCA, 2,88 FDD, 2 scsi HD + 2 scsi cdrom drive and Windows
    95 OS. I like to start using it and learn more about MCA  systems. I
    have somewhere an original OS/2 Warp box and like to install it to my
    8595 if I can make it working. If not must I sell it as whole or by
    parts and that´s a pity. I had ten years ago two 8580 towers, one
    working and another for spare parts but I was moving to another
    apartment so I gave them recycled and saved only this 8595 and some
    MCA cards.


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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Fri Jan 6 23:20:43 2023
    Yep, too many variables - the PSU itself, planar, op panel cable, op
    panel assy.

    So let's test the parts one by one, starting with the PSU:

    Unplug the line cord, disconnect all disk drive Molex connectors, and
    swing the PSU out (or remove it completely for better access). Then
    short pins 1 and 2 on the PSU planar connector with a piece of wire and
    plug the line cord back in. The PSU should start. If it does, verify all
    DC voltages and the Power Good signal. If it doesn't power on, the PSU
    is faulty.

    Based on the described behavior, it may be just bad caps. Be careful if
    you are gonna recap the PSU - the caps may hold a charge for quite some
    time! There were quite a few different PSU models used in these
    machines, and many of them are quite complex with multi-board
    construction... this isn't a cheapo klone PSU.

    On 06.01.2023 22:56, Louis Ohland wrote:
    I suggested shorting 1,2 on the PSU's connector to totally eliminate
    issues on the op-panel PCB.

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  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 8 03:56:26 2023
    lauantai 7. tammikuuta 2023 klo 0.20.46 UTC+2 [email protected] kirjoitti:
    Yep, too many variables - the PSU itself, planar, op panel cable, op
    panel assy.

    So let's test the parts one by one, starting with the PSU:

    Unplug the line cord, disconnect all disk drive Molex connectors, and
    swing the PSU out (or remove it completely for better access). Then
    short pins 1 and 2 on the PSU planar connector with a piece of wire and
    plug the line cord back in. The PSU should start. If it does, verify all
    DC voltages and the Power Good signal. If it doesn't power on, the PSU
    is faulty.

    Based on the described behavior, it may be just bad caps. Be careful if
    you are gonna recap the PSU - the caps may hold a charge for quite some time! There were quite a few different PSU models used in these
    machines, and many of them are quite complex with multi-board construction... this isn't a cheapo klone PSU.
    On 06.01.2023 22:56, Louis Ohland wrote:
    I suggested shorting 1,2 on the PSU's connector to totally eliminate issues on the op-panel PCB.
    I shortened line power cord on pins 1-2 with piece of wire but no power on. I checked with multimeter all pin values,
    pins 20-21 was 5V, but all others were 0-0,1V so I guess PSU is broken. When I after ten years in storage first time started my 8595 it powers on with some checkpoint displays but it after few second went power off and never startet again. PSU is Schrack
    model EPO71119-E, input 200-20V 4.0A output 329W.
    Is it difficult to check and repair or renew? Or must I look for spare part CPU?

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Sun Jan 8 13:43:30 2023
    On 08.01.2023 12:56, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I shortened line power cord on pins 1-2 with piece of wire but no power on. I checked with multimeter all pin values,
    pins 20-21 was 5V, but all others were 0-0,1V so I guess PSU is broken. When I after ten years in storage first time started my 8595 it powers on with some checkpoint displays but it after few second went power off and never startet again. PSU is
    Schrack model EPO71119-E, input 200-20V 4.0A output 329W.
    Is it difficult to check and repair or renew? Or must I look for spare part CPU?

    Pertti, That doesn't make much sense.

    By power cord you mean the connector that connects the PSU to the planar
    I assume? If the PSU doesn't power on, there can't be any other voltages
    than the pin 1 pull up voltage of ~5 V.

    Are you sure you had the connector oriented correctly? It seems to me
    that you were shorting out pins 20-21 (nothing when OFF, +5 V when ON)
    and measuring pins 1-2 (PS-ON, which is floating at ~5 V when OFF, and
    must be pulled down to turn the rest of the PSU ON).

    Make sure you are working with the correct pins and try the procedure again.

    I don't think I ever encountered a Schrack PSU in a Model 95. No clue
    about it's internal construction. Is it really a single range 200-220 V
    unit?

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Sun Jan 8 08:24:47 2023
    Schrack model EPO71119-E This is a new manufacturer to me. No reason to
    hope for schematics, IBM was far ahead with power supply standards. All
    special sauce stuff.

    I never pulled a 329w apart, but my expectation is it has at least two PCBs.

    My SWAG is the crowbar circuit is thrown? But, even so, once a short is removed, the PSU should come up. So if you pulled all molex cables on
    the front, tipped out the PSU (or removed it from the case), then
    shorted 1-2, any external short should be removed.

    Have you removed the PSU and looked into it? Anything loose, that
    shouldn't be in there?

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/95A_PSU_Exposed.html

    Out of desperation, you might open up the PSU, czech for foreign bodies, dust/grime build-up, any shorting between the case and PCB (unlikely), smoked/cracked components.

    Don't toss the PSU, even in death it serves. Perhaps someone on that
    side of the pond could probulate it.

    There MAY be a 95 PSU over in the UK.

    335 W (FRU 92F0051 / PN 92F1596 / SMP-332AB) in all 8595 machines and
    later "small" Server 85 (those with 486SX and 8-bit planar SCSI).

    400 W (FRU 92F0267 / PN 71G4602 / SMP-400BP) was introduced for the
    Server 95A. The 9595-xLx and -xMx however use the 335W since they are
    souped up 8595 only. The bigger PSU can be identified by the LED and test-button at the top left corner, when looking at the installed PSU.
    The "bigger" Server 85 (486DX2 and F/W planar SCSI) have this one as
    well as the 3511 expansion unit.

    Delta "SMP"
    AcBel? "API"

    Note: The dual serial / dual parallel port planars for the 95A systems
    and the 9585-X/K/N planars use PTC resistors to protect the planar from excessive current. The single serial / single parallel port planars for
    95 systems lack these devices. So yes, the 400W can be used in a 8595 or
    9595, but watch your power draw. Personally, I can't see how you could
    load a 95 up unless you use huge old fashioned drives and a bunch of
    Type 5 cards. Whatever. Just be careful out there...

    Pertti Helander wrote:
    I shortened line power cord on pins 1-2 with piece of wire but no power on. I checked with multimeter all pin values,
    pins 20-21 was 5V, but all others were 0-0,1V so I guess PSU is broken. When I after ten years in storage first time started my 8595 it powers on with some checkpoint displays but it after few second went power off and never startet again. PSU is
    Schrack model EPO71119-E, input 200-20V 4.0A output 329W.
    Is it difficult to check and repair or renew? Or must I look for spare part CPU?

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Sun Jan 8 08:28:01 2023
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Planar_PSU_Pinout

    Notice the "Key" above Pin 3.

    I've never shorted 1-2, so this is news to me....

    Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    On 08.01.2023 12:56, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I shortened line power cord on pins 1-2 with piece of wire but no
    power on. I checked with multimeter all pin values,
    pins 20-21 was 5V, but all others were 0-0,1V so I guess PSU is
    broken. When I after ten years in storage first time started my 8595
    it powers on with some checkpoint displays but it after few second
    went power off and never startet again. PSU is Schrack model
    EPO71119-E, input 200-20V 4.0A output 329W.
    Is it difficult to check and repair or renew? Or must I look for spare
    part CPU?

    Pertti, That doesn't make much sense.

    By power cord you mean the connector that connects the PSU to the planar
    I assume? If the PSU doesn't power on, there can't be any other voltages
    than the pin 1 pull up voltage of ~5 V.

    Are you sure you had the connector oriented correctly? It seems to me
    that you were shorting out pins 20-21 (nothing when OFF, +5 V when ON)
    and measuring pins 1-2 (PS-ON, which is floating at ~5 V when OFF, and
    must be pulled down to turn the rest of the PSU ON).

    Make sure you are working with the correct pins and try the procedure
    again.

    I don't think I ever encountered a Schrack PSU in a Model 95. No clue
    about it's internal construction. Is it really a single range 200-220 V
    unit?

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  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 8 10:57:00 2023
    sunnuntai 8. tammikuuta 2023 klo 16.28.03 UTC+2 Louis Ohland kirjoitti:
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Planar_PSU_Pinout

    Notice the "Key" above Pin 3.

    I've never shorted 1-2, so this is news to me....
    Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    On 08.01.2023 12:56, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I shortened line power cord on pins 1-2 with piece of wire but no
    power on. I checked with multimeter all pin values,
    pins 20-21 was 5V, but all others were 0-0,1V so I guess PSU is
    broken. When I after ten years in storage first time started my 8595
    it powers on with some checkpoint displays but it after few second
    went power off and never startet again. PSU is Schrack model
    EPO71119-E, input 200-20V 4.0A output 329W.
    Is it difficult to check and repair or renew? Or must I look for spare
    part CPU?

    Pertti, That doesn't make much sense.

    By power cord you mean the connector that connects the PSU to the planar
    I assume? If the PSU doesn't power on, there can't be any other voltages than the pin 1 pull up voltage of ~5 V.

    Are you sure you had the connector oriented correctly? It seems to me
    that you were shorting out pins 20-21 (nothing when OFF, +5 V when ON)
    and measuring pins 1-2 (PS-ON, which is floating at ~5 V when OFF, and must be pulled down to turn the rest of the PSU ON).

    Make sure you are working with the correct pins and try the procedure again.

    I don't think I ever encountered a Schrack PSU in a Model 95. No clue about it's internal construction. Is it really a single range 200-220 V unit?
    I was at opposite end of PSU connector, didn´t notice the mark there. When I closed PSU connector pins 1-2 with wire PSU fan starts.
    But when I checked with multimeter PSU connectors all pins there was 0 V with ground row pins and +- 5V or+-12V pins.
    Between pins 1-2 there was 0 V not +5 V. Is this OK?

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Sun Jan 8 20:18:40 2023
    On 08.01.2023 19:57, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I was at opposite end of PSU connector, didn´t notice the mark there. When I closed PSU connector pins 1-2 with wire PSU fan starts.
    But when I checked with multimeter PSU connectors all pins there was 0 V with ground row pins and +- 5V or+-12V pins.
    Between pins 1-2 there was 0 V not +5 V. Is this OK?

    The voltage between 1 and 2 should be close to 5 V when the PSU is in
    stand-by. Since you have to tie it low (to ground) to power the unit on,
    0 V is correct when the PSU is running.

    Here is how to measure the other voltages and what the expected ranges are: https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Primary_PSU_Voltages

    Also, Power Good (pin 16) should be at logic high (close to 5 V) if
    everything is ok.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Sun Jan 8 18:41:14 2023
    95 XP Op Panel - Hidden Remote IPL Switch (SW1)

    What's the switch SW1 for on the op panel PCB?

    Tom says:
    The SW1 switch is normally hidden behind the Op Panel Bezel.
    Contrary to what has been said about it not having any function in the
    Model 95, based on its wiring and some testing I have determined that it enables/disables the "Remote Power-ON" feature.
    This allows the system unit to be turned on and off from an external
    source - via the J4 pin header on the planar board. For this to work the
    hidden SW1 switch must be pressed down, and then it's possible to power
    the system on by grounding pin 2 of J4, and power it off again by
    removing this connection. The system will power down only if the main
    power switch (SW2) remained in the OFF position.
    The J4 connection would be realized using an externally powered
    electronic switch - relay, semiconductor etc. The control signal could
    be then supplied from a device connected to a telephone line or some
    other source.

    Ed. Now we know its real name - Remote Initial Program Load (IPL) Switch (source).

    Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    On 08.01.2023 19:57, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I was at opposite end of PSU connector, didn´t notice the mark there.
    When I closed PSU connector pins 1-2 with wire PSU fan starts.
    But when I checked with multimeter PSU connectors all pins there was 0
    V  with ground row pins and +- 5V or+-12V pins.
    Between pins 1-2 there was 0 V not +5 V.  Is this OK?

    The voltage between 1 and 2 should be close to 5 V when the PSU is in stand-by. Since you have to tie it low (to ground) to power the unit on,
    0 V is correct when the PSU is running.

    Here is how to measure the other voltages and what the expected ranges are: https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Primary_PSU_Voltages

    Also, Power Good (pin 16) should be at logic high (close to 5 V) if everything is ok.


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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Sun Jan 8 18:56:43 2023
    My intention is findting another weg to turn on a 95. The remote power
    -MIGHT- allow us to bypass SW2 -ASSUMING- there is a problem with the op
    panel, the ribbon connector, or the planar itself.

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    95 XP Op Panel - Hidden Remote IPL Switch (SW1)

    What's the switch SW1 for on the op panel PCB?

    Tom says:
    The SW1 switch is normally hidden behind the Op Panel Bezel.
    Contrary to what has been said about it not having any function in the
    Model 95, based on its wiring and some testing I have determined that it enables/disables the "Remote Power-ON" feature.
    This allows the system unit to be turned on and off from an
    external source - via the J4 pin header on the planar board. For this to
    work the hidden SW1 switch must be pressed down, and then it's possible
    to power the system on by grounding pin 2 of J4, and power it off again
    by removing this connection. The system will power down only if the main
    power switch (SW2) remained in the OFF position.
    The J4 connection would be realized using an externally powered
    electronic switch - relay, semiconductor etc. The control signal could
    be then supplied from a device connected to a telephone line or some
    other source.

    Ed. Now we know its real name - Remote Initial Program Load (IPL)
    Switch (source).

    Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    On 08.01.2023 19:57, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I was at opposite end of PSU connector, didn´t notice the mark
    there. When I closed PSU connector pins 1-2 with wire PSU fan starts.
    But when I checked with multimeter PSU connectors all pins there
    was 0 V with ground row pins and +- 5V or+-12V pins.
    Between pins 1-2 there was 0 V not +5 V. Is this OK?

    The voltage between 1 and 2 should be close to 5 V when the PSU is
    in stand-by. Since you have to tie it low (to ground) to power the unit
    on, 0 V is correct when the PSU is running.

    Here is how to measure the other voltages and what the expected
    ranges are:
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Primary_PSU_Voltages

    Also, Power Good (pin 16) should be at logic high (close to 5 V) if everything is ok.



    Louis Ohland wrote:
    95 XP Op Panel - Hidden Remote IPL Switch (SW1)

    What's the switch SW1 for on the op panel PCB?

    Tom says:
       The SW1 switch is normally hidden behind the Op Panel Bezel.
    Contrary to what has been said about it not having any function in the
    Model 95, based on its wiring and some testing I have determined that it enables/disables the "Remote Power-ON" feature.
       This allows the system unit to be turned on and off from an external source - via the J4 pin header on the planar board. For this to work the hidden SW1 switch must be pressed down, and then it's possible to power
    the system on by grounding pin 2 of J4, and power it off again by
    removing this connection. The system will power down only if the main
    power switch (SW2) remained in the OFF position.
       The J4 connection would be realized using an externally powered electronic switch - relay, semiconductor etc. The control signal could
    be then supplied from a device connected to a telephone line or some
    other source.

    Ed. Now we know its real name - Remote Initial Program Load (IPL) Switch (source).

    Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    On 08.01.2023 19:57, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I was at opposite end of PSU connector, didn´t notice the mark there.
    When I closed PSU connector pins 1-2 with wire PSU fan starts.
    But when I checked with multimeter PSU connectors all pins there was
    0 V  with ground row pins and +- 5V or+-12V pins.
    Between pins 1-2 there was 0 V not +5 V.  Is this OK?

    The voltage between 1 and 2 should be close to 5 V when the PSU is in
    stand-by. Since you have to tie it low (to ground) to power the unit
    on, 0 V is correct when the PSU is running.

    Here is how to measure the other voltages and what the expected ranges
    are:
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Primary_PSU_Voltages

    Also, Power Good (pin 16) should be at logic high (close to 5 V) if
    everything is ok.


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  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 07:01:20 2023
    maanantai 9. tammikuuta 2023 klo 2.56.46 UTC+2 Louis Ohland kirjoitti:
    My intention is findting another weg to turn on a 95. The remote power -MIGHT- allow us to bypass SW2 -ASSUMING- there is a problem with the op panel, the ribbon connector, or the planar itself.

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    95 XP Op Panel - Hidden Remote IPL Switch (SW1)

    What's the switch SW1 for on the op panel PCB?

    Tom says:
    The SW1 switch is normally hidden behind the Op Panel Bezel.
    Contrary to what has been said about it not having any function in the
    Model 95, based on its wiring and some testing I have determined that it enables/disables the "Remote Power-ON" feature.
    This allows the system unit to be turned on and off from an
    external source - via the J4 pin header on the planar board. For this to work the hidden SW1 switch must be pressed down, and then it's possible
    to power the system on by grounding pin 2 of J4, and power it off again
    by removing this connection. The system will power down only if the main power switch (SW2) remained in the OFF position.
    The J4 connection would be realized using an externally powered
    electronic switch - relay, semiconductor etc. The control signal could
    be then supplied from a device connected to a telephone line or some
    other source.

    Ed. Now we know its real name - Remote Initial Program Load (IPL)
    Switch (source).

    Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    On 08.01.2023 19:57, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I was at opposite end of PSU connector, didn´t notice the mark
    there. When I closed PSU connector pins 1-2 with wire PSU fan starts.
    But when I checked with multimeter PSU connectors all pins there
    was 0 V with ground row pins and +- 5V or+-12V pins.
    Between pins 1-2 there was 0 V not +5 V. Is this OK?

    The voltage between 1 and 2 should be close to 5 V when the PSU is
    in stand-by. Since you have to tie it low (to ground) to power the unit
    on, 0 V is correct when the PSU is running.

    Here is how to measure the other voltages and what the expected
    ranges are:
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Primary_PSU_Voltages

    Also, Power Good (pin 16) should be at logic high (close to 5 V) if everything is ok.



    Louis Ohland wrote:
    95 XP Op Panel - Hidden Remote IPL Switch (SW1)

    What's the switch SW1 for on the op panel PCB?

    Tom says:
    The SW1 switch is normally hidden behind the Op Panel Bezel.
    Contrary to what has been said about it not having any function in the Model 95, based on its wiring and some testing I have determined that it enables/disables the "Remote Power-ON" feature.
    This allows the system unit to be turned on and off from an external source - via the J4 pin header on the planar board. For this to work the hidden SW1 switch must be pressed down, and then it's possible to power the system on by grounding pin 2 of J4, and power it off again by
    removing this connection. The system will power down only if the main power switch (SW2) remained in the OFF position.
    The J4 connection would be realized using an externally powered electronic switch - relay, semiconductor etc. The control signal could
    be then supplied from a device connected to a telephone line or some
    other source.

    Ed. Now we know its real name - Remote Initial Program Load (IPL) Switch (source).

    Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    On 08.01.2023 19:57, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I was at opposite end of PSU connector, didn´t notice the mark there. >>> When I closed PSU connector pins 1-2 with wire PSU fan starts.
    But when I checked with multimeter PSU connectors all pins there was
    0 V with ground row pins and +- 5V or+-12V pins.
    Between pins 1-2 there was 0 V not +5 V. Is this OK?

    The voltage between 1 and 2 should be close to 5 V when the PSU is in
    stand-by. Since you have to tie it low (to ground) to power the unit
    on, 0 V is correct when the PSU is running.

    Here is how to measure the other voltages and what the expected ranges
    are:
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#Primary_PSU_Voltages

    Also, Power Good (pin 16) should be at logic high (close to 5 V) if
    everything is ok.

    I checked again PSU with multimeter and PSU line cabel connected. Between PSU pin 1-2 it was 5 V.
    Line cabel connected between PSU pins 5-3,5-4,5-7 and 5-16 were 0,1-0,2V each so is PSU broken. Is there any fuses inside PSU?
    Is it possible and safe to open it and check? And I find it difficult to switch back PSU socket to planar socket.
    PSU socket is lose and moves horizontal and vertical and can´t see how it hits to planar socket. And PSU can also be moved horizantally within hinges.

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Mon Jan 9 16:27:24 2023
    On 09.01.2023 16:01, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I checked again PSU with multimeter and PSU line cabel connected. Between PSU pin 1-2 it was 5 V.

    That's correct for a stand-by mode.

    Line cabel connected between PSU pins 5-3,5-4,5-7 and 5-16 were 0,1-0,2V each so is PSU broken.

    This was with 1-2 shorted right? The weak 5 V level on pin 1 must be
    tied to ground (0 V, pin 2) to start the rest of the PSU. Otherwise
    there is no voltage on the other rails.

    If you still get 0 on the other pin pairs, the PSU is indeed bad.

    Is there any fuses inside PSU?

    There is usually at least one traditional fuse - on the primary side of
    the unit. Though, if this fuse is open, there is most likely some other
    fault in the PSU. An over-current condition (short) external to the PSU
    will not cause the fuse to blow.

    Is it possible and safe to open it and check?

    Leave the PSU unplugged for a day before opening it. And even then be
    careful when poking inside the unit - the caps can hold a significant
    charge for quite some time (there are usually bleed resistors to
    discharge the caps, but never rely on that).

    And I find it difficult to switch back PSU socket to planar socket.

    There is always some insertion friction, but if it doesn't feel right,
    you should inspect what's going.

    PSU socket is lose and moves horizontal and vertical and can´t see how it hits to planar socket.

    That's normal. The plug on the PSU side is floating to compensate for manufacturing/assembly tolerances. The used connector is self-aligning.

    And PSU can also be moved horizantally within hinges.

    That's also normal. Though, there should be a grounding strap on the
    front hinge, limiting the movement significantly (not sure if all
    machines have this).

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Mon Jan 9 09:41:25 2023
    Fuses? Maybe. We await your discoveries. I gave away my last 8595 maybe
    last year to Kevin.

    Disconnect AC cord. Don't stick your tongue on capacitor leads.

    The PSU 21 pin connector has to be floppy in order to allow for
    misalignment of the PSU. The pins that the PSU pivots on allow front and
    back movement.

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/95A_PSU_Exposed.html#Remove_AMP_Socket
    BUT... if the PSU 21 pin connector is not hooked into the "catch" it
    will be damn hard to align.

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#PSU_Horizontal
    Trying to Plug PSU Onto Planar Plug when case is Horizontal (from SuperVinx)

    Someone gave me an 9585-ONG, formerly owned by a bank. The PSU was easy
    to remove, but it was hard to reseat the power connectors between the
    PSU and the planar while the system was horizontal. I've found that the
    9585 must be in the vertical position, all the way to the right on the
    mounting pins, in order to seat with minimal effort.

    Again, there are NO schematics on any IBM PSU for a PS/2. We await your discoveries. Really...

    Pertti Helander wrote:
    Is there any fuses inside PSU?
    Is it possible and safe to open it and check? And I find it difficult to switch back PSU socket to planar socket.
    PSU socket is lose and moves horizontal and vertical and can´t see how it hits to planar socket. And PSU can also be moved horizantally within hinges.

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  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 14:48:56 2023
    maanantai 9. tammikuuta 2023 klo 17.41.25 UTC+2 Louis Ohland kirjoitti:
    Fuses? Maybe. We await your discoveries. I gave away my last 8595 maybe
    last year to Kevin.

    Disconnect AC cord. Don't stick your tongue on capacitor leads.

    The PSU 21 pin connector has to be floppy in order to allow for
    misalignment of the PSU. The pins that the PSU pivots on allow front and back movement.

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/95A_PSU_Exposed.html#Remove_AMP_Socket BUT... if the PSU 21 pin connector is not hooked into the "catch" it
    will be damn hard to align.

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#PSU_Horizontal
    Trying to Plug PSU Onto Planar Plug when case is Horizontal (from SuperVinx)

    Someone gave me an 9585-ONG, formerly owned by a bank. The PSU was easy
    to remove, but it was hard to reseat the power connectors between the
    PSU and the planar while the system was horizontal. I've found that the
    9585 must be in the vertical position, all the way to the right on the mounting pins, in order to seat with minimal effort.

    Again, there are NO schematics on any IBM PSU for a PS/2. We await your discoveries. Really...
    Pertti Helander wrote:
    Is there any fuses inside PSU?
    Is it possible and safe to open it and check? And I find it difficult to switch back PSU socket to planar socket.
    PSU socket is lose and moves horizontal and vertical and can´t see how it hits to planar socket. And PSU can also be moved horizantally within hinges.
    I didn´t knew that pins 1-2 must be shorted before measuring other pin voltages. I short pins 1-2 and PSU fan starts. I start to measure voltages and between pins 5-3 it was 5 V but between 5-4 heard some klick and power went down. I guess fuse was
    burnt, I must open PSU and find where fuses locate and renew burnt fuse. Must check size, current A and find a shop that sells these in Finland,

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Tue Jan 10 00:32:07 2023
    On 09.01.2023 23:48, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I didn´t knew that pins 1-2 must be shorted before measuring other pin voltages. I short pins 1-2 and PSU fan starts. I start to measure voltages and between pins 5-3 it was 5 V but between 5-4 heard some klick and power went down. I guess fuse was
    burnt, I must open PSU and find where fuses locate and renew burnt fuse. Must check size, current A and find a shop that sells these in Finland,

    The click you heard might have been a relay. Did the PSU make a similar
    sound when you powered it on?

    This may be the same problem you were having before when the machine
    shut down randomly. Disconnect the PSU, give it a minute and try
    restarting it using the same method as before. If it powers on, just
    leave it running, not touching anything and see if it shuts down on its
    own again.

    Even a dead short on one of the voltage rails (touching DMM probes or
    whatever) should not cause the the internal fuse to blow. An
    over-current protection (OCP) should kick in and shut down the unit.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Mon Jan 9 20:54:56 2023
    I have seen an 8570 with missing slot covers, interior caked with dust
    and grime, still chugging along...

    If you open the PSU, look for dirt / dust / grease, you can use a Qtip
    and alcohol, and / or compressed air to remove the grunge. Though odd,
    the internal heatsinks and / or components may be coated. The "clicking"
    might be thermal self-protect. Maybe.

    Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    On 09.01.2023 23:48, Pertti Helander wrote:
    I didn´t knew that pins 1-2 must be shorted before measuring other pin
    voltages. I short pins 1-2 and PSU fan starts. I start to measure
    voltages and between pins 5-3 it was 5 V but between 5-4 heard some
    klick and power went down. I guess fuse was burnt, I must open PSU and
    find where fuses locate and renew burnt fuse. Must check size, current
    A and find a shop that sells these in Finland,

    The click you heard might have been a relay. Did the PSU make a similar
    sound when you powered it on?

    This may be the same problem you were having before when the machine
    shut down randomly. Disconnect the PSU, give it a minute and try
    restarting it using the same method as before. If it powers on, just
    leave it running, not touching anything and see if it shuts down on its
    own again.

    Even a dead short on one of the voltage rails (touching DMM probes or whatever) should not cause the the internal fuse to blow. An
    over-current protection (OCP) should kick in and shut down the unit.

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Tue Jan 10 13:13:08 2023
    On 10.01.2023 3:54, Louis Ohland wrote:
    If you open the PSU, look for dirt / dust / grease, you can use a Qtip
    and alcohol, and / or compressed air to remove the grunge. Though odd,
    the internal heatsinks and / or components may be coated. The "clicking" might be thermal self-protect. Maybe.

    I really doubt thermal protection would act this quickly, especially
    without a load. But I agree that dust and grime can cause thermal and
    other issues if you give it enough time.

    If you are gonna de-dust the thing, watch for any broken-off pieces.

    But based on the observed behavior, I'd be looking for bad electrolytic
    caps first and foremost (bulged package, leaked electrolyte,
    shrunken/broken sleeve indicating heat exposure). Even if the caps look
    ok, they may still be bad. You would have to measure the capacity and
    ESR to know for sure. Or shotgun it and replace them all. But let's not
    get ahead of ourselves...

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  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 04:46:59 2023
    tiistai 10. tammikuuta 2023 klo 14.13.12 UTC+2 [email protected] kirjoitti:
    On 10.01.2023 3:54, Louis Ohland wrote:
    If you open the PSU, look for dirt / dust / grease, you can use a Qtip
    and alcohol, and / or compressed air to remove the grunge. Though odd,
    the internal heatsinks and / or components may be coated. The "clicking" might be thermal self-protect. Maybe.
    I really doubt thermal protection would act this quickly, especially
    without a load. But I agree that dust and grime can cause thermal and
    other issues if you give it enough time.

    If you are gonna de-dust the thing, watch for any broken-off pieces.

    But based on the observed behavior, I'd be looking for bad electrolytic
    caps first and foremost (bulged package, leaked electrolyte,
    shrunken/broken sleeve indicating heat exposure). Even if the caps look
    ok, they may still be bad. You would have to measure the capacity and
    ESR to know for sure. Or shotgun it and replace them all. But let's not
    get ahead of ourselves...
    Thomas was right, it´s a relay that turned PSU off, not a fuse. I put power cord on, closed pins 1-2 and PSU cooler starts. I measured
    pins 5-3, was +5 V, pins 5-7 was -12 V, pins 5-1 was +5 V and when I measured pins 5-4 I got +12 V but power went off. Like Thomas I guess that at the first time after 10 years when I booted my 8595 it starts displaying few checkpoints and went power off.
    Any guesses what caused a relay to go off?

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  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 04:15:54 2023
    tiistai 10. tammikuuta 2023 klo 14.13.12 UTC+2 [email protected] kirjoitti:
    On 10.01.2023 3:54, Louis Ohland wrote:
    If you open the PSU, look for dirt / dust / grease, you can use a Qtip
    and alcohol, and / or compressed air to remove the grunge. Though odd,
    the internal heatsinks and / or components may be coated. The "clicking" might be thermal self-protect. Maybe.
    I really doubt thermal protection would act this quickly, especially
    without a load. But I agree that dust and grime can cause thermal and
    other issues if you give it enough time.

    If you are gonna de-dust the thing, watch for any broken-off pieces.

    But based on the observed behavior, I'd be looking for bad electrolytic
    caps first and foremost (bulged package, leaked electrolyte,
    shrunken/broken sleeve indicating heat exposure). Even if the caps look
    ok, they may still be bad. You would have to measure the capacity and
    ESR to know for sure. Or shotgun it and replace them all. But let's not
    get ahead of ourselves...

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  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 05:41:15 2023
    tiistai 10. tammikuuta 2023 klo 14.13.12 UTC+2 [email protected] kirjoitti:
    The click you heard might have been a relay. Did the PSU make a similar
    sound when you powered it on?
    This may be the same problem you were having before when the machine
    shut down randomly. Disconnect the PSU, give it a minute and try
    restarting it using the same method as before. If it powers on, just
    leave it running, not touching anything and see if it shuts down on its
    own again.
    Even a dead short on one of the voltage rails (touching DMM probes or whatever) should not cause the the internal fuse to blow. An
    over-current protection (OCP) should kick in and shut down the unit.
    Thomas was right, it´s a relay that turned PSU off, not a fuse. I put power cord on, closed pins 1-2 and PSU cooler starts. I measured
    pins 5-3, was +5 V, pins 5-7 was -12 V, pins 5-16 was +5 V and when I measured pins 5-4 I got +12 V but power went off. Like Thomas I guess that at the first time after 10 years when I booted my 8595 it starts displaying few checkpoints and went power
    off. Any guesses what caused a relay to go off?

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Tue Jan 10 14:34:20 2023
    On 10.01.2023 13:46, Pertti Helander wrote:
    Thomas was right, it´s a relay that turned PSU off, not a fuse. I put power cord on, closed pins 1-2 and PSU cooler starts. I measured
    pins 5-3, was +5 V, pins 5-7 was -12 V, pins 5-1 was +5 V and when I measured pins 5-4 I got +12 V but power went off. Like Thomas I guess that at the first time after 10 years when I booted my 8595 it starts displaying few checkpoints and went power
    off. Any guesses what caused a relay to go off?

    So the voltages are ok when the PSU runs, but it shuts down randomly on
    its own...

    First, make sure your "jump start" wire has a good connection to
    eliminate that variable. If it still shuts down, even when you are not touching/probing the unit, it must be something internal to the PSU.

    It may be just a bad connection (cold solder joint) - try tapping on the
    unit and see if it has any effect. Or, as Louis pointed out if the unit
    is really dusty/dirty, that might cause problems too.

    But it's more likely that some component is failing. If you feel
    confident about poking inside the PSU, leave it unplugged for a while,
    then open it and do a visual inspection (you can send us photos, so we
    can see what you are dealing with and maybe we will spot something you
    have missed).

    The prime suspect is the electrolytic capacitors - see my previous post. "BBISHOPPCM" had a similar problem with his Model 95, and a complete
    recap did the trick: https://youtu.be/YNFUtuqxN8Q
    But I can't guarantee that doing this will work in your case. The
    problem can be somewhere else - even the pesky relay itself could be faulty.

    I hate to say this, but switch-mode power supplies can be really tricky
    to diagnose and fix - even for an engineer. Especially the more complex
    designs - like the ones used in the Model 85 and 95. Unfortunately, I
    have never come across a Schrack unit, so I can't give you any details
    about its internal construction or what the common faults might be.

    If you don't wanna risk making things even worse or hurting yourself,
    just bring it to somebody for a repair (if you have that option) or buy
    a new one.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Tue Jan 10 08:41:27 2023
    There is a RETAIN tip concerning AC power cords that have taken a "set"
    at the female end. How old are these AC cables? Are they fully seated
    into the 95 PSU? Did you try another AC power cord?

    Pertti Helander wrote:
    tiistai 10. tammikuuta 2023 klo 14.13.12 UTC+2 [email protected] kirjoitti:
    The click you heard might have been a relay. Did the PSU make a similar
    sound when you powered it on?
    This may be the same problem you were having before when the machine
    shut down randomly. Disconnect the PSU, give it a minute and try
    restarting it using the same method as before. If it powers on, just
    leave it running, not touching anything and see if it shuts down on its
    own again.
    Even a dead short on one of the voltage rails (touching DMM probes or
    whatever) should not cause the the internal fuse to blow. An
    over-current protection (OCP) should kick in and shut down the unit.
    Thomas was right, it´s a relay that turned PSU off, not a fuse. I put power cord on, closed pins 1-2 and PSU cooler starts. I measured
    pins 5-3, was +5 V, pins 5-7 was -12 V, pins 5-16 was +5 V and when I measured pins 5-4 I got +12 V but power went off. Like Thomas I guess that at the first time after 10 years when I booted my 8595 it starts displaying few checkpoints and went power
    off. Any guesses what caused a relay to go off?


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  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 06:37:08 2023
    tiistai 10. tammikuuta 2023 klo 15.35.53 UTC+2 [email protected] kirjoitti:
    On 10.01.2023 13:46, Pertti Helander wrote:
    Thomas was right, it´s a relay that turned PSU off, not a fuse. I put power cord on, closed pins 1-2 and PSU cooler starts. I measured
    pins 5-3, was +5 V, pins 5-7 was -12 V, pins 5-1 was +5 V and when I measured pins 5-4 I got +12 V but power went off. Like Thomas I guess that at the first time after 10 years when I booted my 8595 it starts displaying few checkpoints and went power
    off. Any guesses what caused a relay to go off?

    So the voltages are ok when the PSU runs, but it shuts down randomly on
    its own...

    First, make sure your "jump start" wire has a good connection to
    eliminate that variable. If it still shuts down, even when you are not touching/probing the unit, it must be something internal to the PSU.

    It may be just a bad connection (cold solder joint) - try tapping on the unit and see if it has any effect. Or, as Louis pointed out if the unit
    is really dusty/dirty, that might cause problems too.

    But it's more likely that some component is failing. If you feel
    confident about poking inside the PSU, leave it unplugged for a while,
    then open it and do a visual inspection (you can send us photos, so we
    can see what you are dealing with and maybe we will spot something you
    have missed).

    The prime suspect is the electrolytic capacitors - see my previous post. "BBISHOPPCM" had a similar problem with his Model 95, and a complete
    recap did the trick: https://youtu.be/YNFUtuqxN8Q
    But I can't guarantee that doing this will work in your case. The
    problem can be somewhere else - even the pesky relay itself could be faulty.

    I hate to say this, but switch-mode power supplies can be really tricky
    to diagnose and fix - even for an engineer. Especially the more complex designs - like the ones used in the Model 85 and 95. Unfortunately, I
    have never come across a Schrack unit, so I can't give you any details
    about its internal construction or what the common faults might be.

    If you don't wanna risk making things even worse or hurting yourself,
    just bring it to somebody for a repair (if you have that option) or buy
    a new one.
    Where can I find this "jump start" wire? I looked this youty.be video and
    it seems to be difficult to repair PSU, I have no knowledge to do it and don´t
    know any person either. Is somewhere used working 8595 PSUs for sale?

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Tue Jan 10 18:54:37 2023
    On 10.01.2023 18:50, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    Eh, they show up on ebay from time to time, but the price is usually
    through the roof. See here:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/125557732059

    Not exactly a bargain but definitely better than the other one. And it's
    the 400 W Delta:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/134275119285

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Pertti Helander on Tue Jan 10 18:50:29 2023
    On 10.01.2023 15:37, Pertti Helander wrote:
    Where can I find this "jump start" wire?

    That's the wire you have used to short pins 1 and 2 to start the PSU :).

    I looked this youty.be video and it seems to be difficult to repair
    PSU, I have no knowledge to do it and don´t know any person either.

    Yeah, these units are quite complex. BBISHOPPCM has a "top of the line"
    400 W Delta PSU, your 330 W Schrack may be somewhat simpler, but it
    ain't gonna be a regular "clone" PSU either.

    Is somewhere used working 8595 PSUs for sale?

    Eh, they show up on ebay from time to time, but the price is usually
    through the roof. See here:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/125557732059

    Your best bet is to post here in the newsgroup or the CSIPH Facebook
    group (don't forget to include your location).

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 19:29:21 2023
  • From Pertti Helander@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 12:30:52 2023
    tiistai 10. tammikuuta 2023 klo 20.29.24 UTC+2 [email protected] kirjoitti:
    The same power supply, different fault: https://forum.electronicwerkstatt.de/phpBB/Ersatzteile_Reparatur_Drucker_Kopierer/drucker_sonstige_schrack_schaltnetzteil_unbekanntes_bauteil_blitzt-t126628f48_bs0.html
    Thats the quite same model PSU I have, mine is EP071119-E 329W, P/N 33F5512, FRU P/N 15F6636.
    This Schrack PSU in youtube had many broken components. My PSU keeps running with jump start wire on but measuring some pins or drive power connectors the relay stops the power. If I managed to mount PSU to planar connector and close it I´m going to
    boot my 8595 and see what it does.
    I asked to join me in this CSIPH Facebook group. Those CPUs on eBay are in USA and quite expensive with shipment and like to have one to buy from Europe

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 08:22:26 2023
    UNDETERMINED PROBLEM (SYSTEM DEAD)

    Symptom:
    Personal Computer System will not power up or powers down
    immediately after being turned on. The cooling fan may start
    to turn, and/or the power-good light may flicker then turn
    off. The power supply will not stay on long enough to allow
    voltage measurements.

    Problem Determination:
    -Systems with auto-switching power supplies should be plugged
    directly into a wall receptacle, not into a power strip or
    surge protector.
    -Systems with switchable power supplies (115v/220v) must be set
    to the correct voltage setting.
    -The following switches may be checked with meter to verify
    correct operation:
    * Power switches that connect to the system board
    * C-2 security (Cover Lock and Tamper-Evident) switches
    | (these two switches and related cables must be connected
    | and operating correctly before the system will power on)

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 08:25:33 2023
    Not a direct match, but a possumbility, none the less.

    INTERMITTENT AND VERY DIFFICULT TO DIAGNOSE SYSTEM PROBLEMS,
    MAY BE CAUSED BY LINE CORDS WHICH ARE NOT FULLY SEATED, OR
    ARE TOO LOOSE TO MAKE A TIGHT CONNECTION.

    WHEN TROUBLESHOOTING INTERMITTENT POST ERRORS, OR ANY UNUSUAL,
    SYSTEM PROBLEMS, (FOR EXAMPLE; SYSTEM PERFORMS POWER-ON RESET
    UNEXPECTEDLY DURING OPERATION) CHECK THE LINE CORD FOR PROPER
    SEATING. SLIGHT FORMING OF THE MALE CONTACTS IN THE SYSTEM
    UNIT POWER SUPPLY CONNECTOR MAY CORRECT THE PROBLEM.
    REPLACING THE LINE CORD MAY BE NECESSARY IN SOME CASES.
    BOTH ENDS OF THE LINE CORD SHOULD BE CHECKED.

    SLIGHT VARIATIONS, DUE TO MANUFACTURING TOLERANCES, MAY EXIST
    BETWEEN LINE CORDS FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES.

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