On Tuesday, March 11, 1997 at 4:00:00 AM UTC-4, George Heuer wrote:

I am in a delima which should I buy?

George J. Heuer

this is so fucking surreal to look at! I was born in 2001, so this happened before I was even born

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On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 10:51:55 -0700 (PDT), [email protected]
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 11, 1997 at 4:00:00 AM UTC-4, George Heuer wrote:

I am in a delima which should I buy?


George J. Heuer

this is so fucking surreal to look at! I was born in 2001, so this happened before I was even born

To most here, it is probably surreal that someone your age is posting
to newsgroups.

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On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 22:24:04 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
<[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 10:51:55 -0700 (PDT), [email protected]
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 11, 1997 at 4:00:00 AM UTC-4, George Heuer wrote:

I am in a delima which should I buy?

this is so fucking surreal to look at! I was born in 2001, so this happened before I was even born

To most here, it is probably surreal that someone your age is posting
to newsgroups.

But welcome. The more the merrier, I say.

Now, an answer nobody really cares about to the original 21 year old
question that time forgot...

Daggerfall (1996) has a huge open world, one of the largest in any
game (Minecraft's is bigger). It was a more traditional CRPG, with an
emphasis on character building rather than button-mashing. At the
time, its tech was quite impressive; full-screen first-person,
textured worlds, characters, etc. It's usage-based skill system was -
although not completely original to the system - still quite radical
to most gamers. But these advantages came with cost. That open world
was big, but empty and what content there was to be found was recycled
over and over again. It totally broke immersion and fun. And while the
game systems - combat, questing, etc - themselves were rather solid
the underlying code was not; Daggerfall was ridiculously buggy, so
much so that the game was published with cheat codes (in the readme, I
think) to help you bypass the portions of the game which did not work.

Diablo (1998) was by far the more solid product: visually far more
impressive, good gameplay and relatively free of bugs. But it was a
far less impressive game in scope; a double handful of levels
(although, interestingly, each procedurally designed for improved replayability) and its gameplay was far less strategic. It leaned far
more to action game than role-playing. But it was well done,
addicitive and, oh, it had multiplayer

So which one to play? That's a tough call. Generally, I like
Daggerfall's approach more: the gameplay is more the sort of game I
enjoy. Diablo was too frenetic for my taste. On the other hand,
Daggerfall isn't really that much fun, even before you take into
account all the bugs. Diablo is in that regard a much more polished
product.

In the end, I guess I would have to vote for Diablo; even though it
suited me less, it's the game I actually finished, after all (I never
got that far in Daggerfall; it's huge-but-dull world wore me down even
before the bugs did). But if I had a option, I'd wait a year until
System Shock 2 (1999) came out ;-)

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Rin Stowleigh <[email protected]> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 10:51:55 -0700 (PDT), [email protected]
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 11, 1997 at 4:00:00 AM UTC-4, George Heuer wrote:

I am in a delima which should I buy?


George J. Heuer

this is so fucking surreal to look at! I was born in 2001, so this happened before I was even born

To most here, it is probably surreal that someone your age is posting
to newsgroups.

Mostly it's surreal that someone that age can spell and use punctuation.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote:

In the end, I guess I would have to vote for Diablo; even though it
suited me less, it's the game I actually finished, after all (I never
got that far in Daggerfall; it's huge-but-dull world wore me down even
before the bugs did). But if I had a option, I'd wait a year until
System Shock 2 (1999) came out ;-)

Plenty of other good RPGs from 1998 to choose from, so no need to wait. Personally I was playing Might and Magic VI, but there was also Baldur's
Gate and Fallout 2. Admittedly Fallout 2 was buggy at release, but not Daggerfall buggy.

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On Friday, March 28, 1997 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Todd Howard wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:25:57 GMT, [email protected] (Magnus Itland) wrote:

[email protected] (JWT001) wrote:

If you like RPG's, buy daggerfall. If you like actiony show off your >>computer games, buy diablo.
Buy daggerfall then. Its gooooodddd.

I also think Daggerfall is very good, but looking around on this
very newsgroup it seems fair to say that some people dislike it
strongly. I think Daggerfall is a "love or hate" game.
Also I would recommend Daggerfall for grown-ups, but not for kids.
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[email protected] Yes! The one and only Magnus Itland.
The first signs of mental breakdown can be subtle,
such as for instance a slightly altered signature.

I am very much a grownup, and I have liked many RPG's such as U7 and
the Might and Magic games, but I really hated Daggerfall. The crappy graphics, repetitive town scenes, pointless quests, etc. made it no
fun at all for me. I don't normally like action games like Doom, but
I found Diablo very enjoyable for quite a while even though it is more action than true RPG. I am now off Diablo until there is some kind of sequel or expansion pack, but it was VERY fun while it lasted.

Hold off to the end of the year and buy REDGUARD, the new ELDER SCROLLS ADVENTURES game <G>.

Go back to the chess club

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On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 10:02:39 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:

On Friday, March 28, 1997 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Todd Howard wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:25:57 GMT, [email protected] (Magnus Itland) wrote:

[email protected] (JWT001) wrote:

If you like RPG's, buy daggerfall. If you like actiony show off your >>computer games, buy diablo.
Buy daggerfall then. Its gooooodddd.

I also think Daggerfall is very good, but looking around on this
very newsgroup it seems fair to say that some people dislike it >strongly. I think Daggerfall is a "love or hate" game.
Also I would recommend Daggerfall for grown-ups, but not for kids.
--
[email protected] Yes! The one and only Magnus Itland.
The first signs of mental breakdown can be subtle,
such as for instance a slightly altered signature.

I am very much a grownup, and I have liked many RPG's such as U7 and
the Might and Magic games, but I really hated Daggerfall. The crappy graphics, repetitive town scenes, pointless quests, etc. made it no
fun at all for me. I don't normally like action games like Doom, but
I found Diablo very enjoyable for quite a while even though it is more action than true RPG. I am now off Diablo until there is some kind of sequel or expansion pack, but it was VERY fun while it lasted.

Hold off to the end of the year and buy REDGUARD, the new ELDER SCROLLS ADVENTURES game <G>.

Go back to the chess club

You.

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On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 7:29:19 AM UTC-7, Ross Ridge wrote:

Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote:

In the end, I guess I would have to vote for Diablo; even though it
suited me less, it's the game I actually finished, after all (I never
got that far in Daggerfall; it's huge-but-dull world wore me down even >before the bugs did). But if I had a option, I'd wait a year until
System Shock 2 (1999) came out ;-)

Plenty of other good RPGs from 1998 to choose from, so no need to wait. Personally I was playing Might and Magic VI, but there was also Baldur's
Gate and Fallout 2. Admittedly Fallout 2 was buggy at release, but not Daggerfall buggy.

Fallout 2 has been pretty well fan supported, and I doubt I'd even call it buggy anymore if you load up the fan fixes. I don't think there's anything like that for Daggerfall. I see there are mods for it, but I don't see any bugfix mods, and the mods I'
m looking at look pretty minor.

Daggerfall & Diablo... I liked both, I liked Daggerfall more, I don't think I ever finished it, if it is even a game with a finish. I did finish Diablo, but not *really* finished it, as you can play it harder and find more stuff, etc. (unless I'm
thinking of D2?)

No reason you couldn't play both at this point, I'm sure they're both pretty cheap, Diablo may even have been free at some point. I think Daggerfall wouldn't hold up as well.

- Justisaur

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Justisaur <[email protected]> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 7:29:19 AM UTC-7, Ross Ridge wrote:

Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> wrote:

In the end, I guess I would have to vote for Diablo; even though it
suited me less, it's the game I actually finished, after all (I never
got that far in Daggerfall; it's huge-but-dull world wore me down even
before the bugs did). But if I had a option, I'd wait a year until
System Shock 2 (1999) came out ;-)

Plenty of other good RPGs from 1998 to choose from, so no need to wait.
Personally I was playing Might and Magic VI, but there was also Baldur's
Gate and Fallout 2. Admittedly Fallout 2 was buggy at release, but not
Daggerfall buggy.

Fallout 2 has been pretty well fan supported, and I doubt I'd even call it buggy anymore if you load up the fan fixes. I don't think there's anything like that for Daggerfall. I see there are mods for it, but I don't see any bugfix mods, and the mods I'

m looking at look pretty minor.

Daggerfall & Diablo... I liked both, I liked Daggerfall more, I don't think I ever finished it, if it is even a game with a finish. I did finish Diablo, but not *really* finished it, as you can play it harder and find more stuff, etc. (unless I'm

thinking of D2?)

It is a game with a finish, all of Bethesda's games are.

You don't have to finish, and in Daggerfall it was possible to make it impossible to finish (you got a letter telling you to meet someone at a
certain date - miss the meeting and the main quest stopped dead. It's
not like it was "be here in 5 minutes though, it gave you something like
6 weeks of game time to get there, so you could easily walk there from
anywhere in the game on time if you didn't screw up.)

I loved that you could pick your difficulty in essence, adding up to 5 advantages and disadvantages that affected how you got exp.
Give yourself too much benefit and you level really slowly.

I used to use an editor to actually lock out a bunch more things, I
think I used 5 advantages and 15-20 disadvantages (it no longer affected
the exp since the calc was done in game at creation, not later, I did it
for role play reasons.
IE a character that for reasons of personal foible would only use items
that were gold, red or black (clothing, armor or weapons) - which meant
you could only use dwarven, admantium, ebony and daedric items - you HAD
to pick the intro option that gave you an ebony dagger or you were
fucked, since you wouldn't see dwarven stuff for some time and the intro dungeon had an imp in it that could only be hit by steel or better,
barehand would do nothing.)
So I locked out materials, locked out shields, locked out armor classes
(some classes couldn't use heavy armor - not got penalties, literally
could not equip it, and so on.)

No game before or since had the depth.

No reason you couldn't play both at this point, I'm sure they're both pretty cheap, Diablo may even have been free at some point. I think Daggerfall wouldn't hold up as well.

Neither do.

Diablo is of course pre-widescreen and pretty low res and had an
annoyance removed from later games - there was absolutely zero mana regeneration in the game, you could only get mana back from potions.
Trying to play Diablo again after playing Diablo2 was painful.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:09:18 -0500, Xocyll <[email protected]> wrote:

Diablo is of course pre-widescreen and pretty low res and had an
annoyance removed from later games - there was absolutely zero mana >regeneration in the game, you could only get mana back from potions.
Trying to play Diablo again after playing Diablo2 was painful.

Xocyll

Diablo has an HD mod which works fine.

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On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 08:46:09 -0500, Xocyll <[email protected]> wrote:

This is obviously something that came years, or decades even, after I
last tried playing it (which was not too long after Diablo2 came out.)

Xocyll

My only point is that Diablo's low resolution should not deter someone
from trying it now as that can be changed with the HD mod.

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Mike S. <[email protected]> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:09:18 -0500, Xocyll <[email protected]> wrote:

Diablo is of course pre-widescreen and pretty low res and had an
annoyance removed from later games - there was absolutely zero mana >>regeneration in the game, you could only get mana back from potions.
Trying to play Diablo again after playing Diablo2 was painful.

Xocyll

Diablo has an HD mod which works fine.

This is obviously something that came years, or decades even, after I
last tried playing it (which was not too long after Diablo2 came out.)

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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Justisaur <[email protected]> wrote:

Fallout 2 has been pretty well fan supported, and I doubt I'd even call
it buggy anymore if you load up the fan fixes. I don't think there's >anything like that for Daggerfall. I see there are mods for it, but I
don't see any bugfix mods, and the mods I'm looking at look pretty
minor.

Even just with the official patches Fallout 2 should be fine these days.
I played the GOG.com version to completion a few years ago.

--
l/ // Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU
[oo][oo] [email protected]
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db //

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On Friday, March 28, 1997 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Todd Howard wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:25:57 GMT, [email protected] (Magnus Itland) wrote:

[email protected] (JWT001) wrote:

If you like RPG's, buy daggerfall. If you like actiony show off your >>computer games, buy diablo.
Buy daggerfall then. Its gooooodddd.

I also think Daggerfall is very good, but looking around on this
very newsgroup it seems fair to say that some people dislike it
strongly. I think Daggerfall is a "love or hate" game.
Also I would recommend Daggerfall for grown-ups, but not for kids.
--
[email protected] Yes! The one and only Magnus Itland.
The first signs of mental breakdown can be subtle,
such as for instance a slightly altered signature.

I am very much a grownup, and I have liked many RPG's such as U7 and
the Might and Magic games, but I really hated Daggerfall. The crappy graphics, repetitive town scenes, pointless quests, etc. made it no
fun at all for me. I don't normally like action games like Doom, but
I found Diablo very enjoyable for quite a while even though it is more action than true RPG. I am now off Diablo until there is some kind of sequel or expansion pack, but it was VERY fun while it lasted.

Hold off to the end of the year and buy REDGUARD, the new ELDER SCROLLS ADVENTURES game <G>.

I'm holding out for Starfield

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måndag 28 augusti 2023 kl. 00:39:19 UTC+2 skrev Stephen W:

On Friday, March 28, 1997 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Todd Howard wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:25:57 GMT, [email protected] (Magnus Itland) wrote:

[email protected] (JWT001) wrote:

If you like RPG's, buy daggerfall. If you like actiony show off your >>computer games, buy diablo.
Buy daggerfall then. Its gooooodddd.

I also think Daggerfall is very good, but looking around on this
very newsgroup it seems fair to say that some people dislike it >strongly. I think Daggerfall is a "love or hate" game.
Also I would recommend Daggerfall for grown-ups, but not for kids.
--
[email protected] Yes! The one and only Magnus Itland.
The first signs of mental breakdown can be subtle,
such as for instance a slightly altered signature.

I am very much a grownup, and I have liked many RPG's such as U7 and
the Might and Magic games, but I really hated Daggerfall. The crappy graphics, repetitive town scenes, pointless quests, etc. made it no
fun at all for me. I don't normally like action games like Doom, but
I found Diablo very enjoyable for quite a while even though it is more action than true RPG. I am now off Diablo until there is some kind of sequel or expansion pack, but it was VERY fun while it lasted.

Hold off to the end of the year and buy REDGUARD, the new ELDER SCROLLS ADVENTURES game <G>.

I'm holding out for Starfield

lmao this thread is over 20 years old people still writing lmaooo

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Julian <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 5:41:26 PM UTC-6, Kyonshi wrote:

On 9/3/2023 1:59 PM, Harry Classon wrote:

måndag 28 augusti 2023 kl. 00:39:19 UTC+2 skrev Stephen W:

I'm holding out for Starfield

lmao this thread is over 20 years old people still writing lmaooo

and why shouldn't they?

Because Daggerfall is non-existent. All you're going to do is make
people wish they could play it, and wishes are unholy.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files

--
Clotho, Lachesis, Atropos -- the only sysadmins that matter

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Spalls Hurgenson <[email protected]> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 16:35:25 -0000 (UTC), "Mark P. Nelson" ><[email protected]> wrote:

Julian <[email protected]> wrote in >>news:[email protected]:

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 5:41:26 PM UTC-6, Kyonshi wrote:

On 9/3/2023 1:59 PM, Harry Classon wrote:

måndag 28 augusti 2023 kl. 00:39:19 UTC+2 skrev Stephen W:

lmao this thread is over 20 years old people still writing lmaooo

and why shouldn't they?

Because Daggerfall is non-existent. All you're going to do is make
people wish they could play it, and wishes are unholy.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files

I dunno how Daggerfall is 'non-existent'. It still exists, and is
still playable.

Even if you don't have your original CD (or was it floppy disks? I
can't remember offhand), you still have plenty of options:

It was cd. And I still have my boxed Daggerfall, complete with all my
notes about soul bonuses and negatives, vampire clans etc.

There's the original, still for sale. >https://www.gog.com/en/game/the_elder_scrolls_chapter_ii_daggerfall
There's the Unity-engine remake >https://www.gog.com/en/game/daggerfall_unity_gog_cut
There's "Daggerblivion", a mod for Elder Scrolls Oblivion >https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/11549503-daggerblivion-development/
And let's not forget the massive "Beyond Skyrim" which has the "Illiac
Bay" mod in development
https://beyondskyrim.org/iliac-bay

In short, there's lot of Daggerfall still to play, and will be more in
the future.

It's on Steam too.

That said, I think there are a lot of better games to play than
"Daggerfall", regardless of which version you choose. Its procedural
world was just too large and lacked character; a clear case of
Bethesda choosing quantity over quality. Fortunately, they learned
their lesson in later games (and then promptly forgot it again with >"Starfield" ;-)

But if you want to play Daggerfall, there are a lot of options
available to you these days, so have at it.

Oh to have Daggerfall in a modern engine like the one used for Black
Desert Online.

Xocyll

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