Not only do I disable *all* security features in my kernel and
in *all* of my software, but I boot into my system and run everything
as the root user.
(Ha, ha! I can hear those distro toadies already howling.)
But what's even worse, from a networking point of view, for
all of my DNS lookups I directly query the top-level root
servers:
ftp://ftp.internic.net/domain/named.root
Thanks to pdnsd this is easy to accomplish (plus adding a
persistent lookup cache as well):
https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/net-dns/pdnsd
Now don't you wish that YOUR distro could do all this for
you ('cause you certainly can't do it for yourself)?
No security. Root user. No systemd. No Wayland. Root
server lookups.
It's the way personal computing is supposed to be.
I am sure it is.
But I don't do 'personal computing'
I do stuff that enables me to use a complicated machine as simply and securely as possible.
Not only do I disable *all* security features in my kernel and
in *all* of my software, but I boot into my system and run everything
as the root user.
(Ha, ha! I can hear those distro toadies already howling.)
But what's even worse, from a networking point of view, for
all of my DNS lookups I directly query the top-level root
servers:
ftp://ftp.internic.net/domain/named.root
Thanks to pdnsd this is easy to accomplish (plus adding a
persistent lookup cache as well):
https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/net-dns/pdnsd
Now don't you wish that YOUR distro could do all this for
you ('cause you certainly can't do it for yourself)?
No security. Root user. No systemd. No Wayland. Root
server lookups.
It's the way personal computing is supposed to be.
On 2025-08-05, jroot <[email protected]> wrote:
...
Adios "jroot."
On 8/6/25 3:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Doing pretty much the same here, Chromium as root too.
/usr/bin/chromium-browser --no-sandbox
For DNS lookup I use google:
raspberrypi: ~ # cat /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 8.8.4.4
At least google does not block rt.com like my local provider does.
I know Chromium remembers and likely forwards everything, so for spy work I use postal pigeons and micro SDcards...
I got fed up with sea-ape or whatever it was as it started to do strange things on some websites.
raspberrypi: ~ # whoami
root
System DEEE? ? nope
One raspi I have has now has an uptime over 500 days:
raspberrypi: ~ # ssh -Y 192.168.178.95
[email protected]'s password:
Linux raspi95 4.19.75-v7l+ #1270 SMP Tue Sep 24 18:51:41 BST 2019 armv7l
The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Wed Jan 1 11:27:40 2025 from 192.168.178.100
-bash-5.0# uptime
09:17:34 up 508 days, 22:30, 19 users, load average: 0.96, 0.92, 0.81
-bash-5.0# uname -a
Linux raspi95 4.19.75-v7l+ #1270 SMP Tue Sep 24 18:51:41 BST 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux
3 raspis on 24/7 on a UPS
The 500 days one runs 6 security cameras 24/7, some mike, plays background audio 24/7.. has a fan.
No WiFi, metal housing.
Reliab!e
The one I am posting from now with my own Usenet Newsreader
raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux
Same, Pi4 8GB, metal housing, no WiFi.
One even older Raspberry Pi runs a server plus some more security stuff, sensors logging radiation and gas levels..
raspberrypi: ~ # ssh -Y 192.168.178.73
[email protected]'s password:
Linux raspi73 3.6.11+ #371 PREEMPT Thu Feb 7 16:31:35 GMT 2013 armv6l
Last login: Wed Aug 6 09:13:08 2025 from 192.168.178.95
Not bad, 12 years on 24/7!
PCs I have those too, mainly because one has a satellite card and because those have a CD / DVD / M-Disc reader.
https://panteltje.online/index1.html
The raspberries drive some interesting hardware too, measure humity, air pressure, all logged of course, plane traffic (dump1090), ship traffic (AIS)
All root of course
Linux everywhere, still doing some coding ..
Wonder what people use all that bloat for...
Reading adds?
Larry found his potential GF, heh.
Doing pretty much the same here, Chromium as root too.
/usr/bin/chromium-browser --no-sandbox
Not only do I disable *all* security features in my kernel and
in *all* of my software, but I boot into my system and run everything
as the root user.
On Wed, 06 Aug 2025 07:46:22 GMT, Jan Panteltje <[email protected]d>
wrote in <106v18s$38d7c$[email protected]>:
Doing pretty much the same here, Chromium as root too.
/usr/bin/chromium-browser --no-sandbox
Two things come to mind:
1) A small, suspicious (security paranoid) part of me thinks
you and Farley are posting about these practices to encourage
others to drop their shields, making it easier to attack their machines.
2) The rest of me thinks y'all are crazy or generally trolling.
I never use
sudo command1
sudo command2
sudo command3
sudo command4
like you see in those how-to guides. I just su then do all the commands
as root.
All these years, from my first Linux distro SLS (Softlanding Linux System) in 1992
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softlanding_Linux_System
I have been root and never ever had a problem.
jroot wrote:
Not only do I disable *all* security features in my kernel and
in *all* of my software, but I boot into my system and run everything
as the root user.
I never use
sudo command1
sudo command2
sudo command3
sudo command4
like you see in those how-to guides. I just su then do all the commands
as root.
On 2025-08-06, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2025 18:36:14 +0000, jroot wrote:
Now don't you wish that YOUR distro could do all this for you ('cause
you certainly can't do it for yourself)?
Linux Mint has about 3 billion more users than Gentoo. Gentoo sux!
Why does it have to be one or the other? Choice is good.
On 8/8/25 2:04 AM, RonB wrote:
On 2025-08-08, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote:
There simply is no reason for anyone to ever use any other distro than
Mint. Choice for choice's sake is meaningless.
The "reason" is simply that they want to use something else. Choice for
choice's sake is otherwise known as freedom. It's the main reason I
like and use Linux. You've chosen Linux Mint, good for you. Others
choose otherwise, good for them. I have little patience when it comes
to control freaks trying to make decisions for others.
There's nothing wrong with Mint. It's an example of why GNU/Linux
really is sleek, because they recreated Winblows with Linux,
essentially, congratulations for that indeed. I am more advanced,
though, and need something more hardcore.
On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 02:09:25 -0400, "Joel W. Crump" <[email protected]> wrote in <qwglQ.454910$[email protected]>:
On 8/8/25 2:04 AM, RonB wrote:
On 2025-08-08, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote:
There simply is no reason for anyone to ever use any other distro
than Mint. Choice for choice's sake is meaningless.
The "reason" is simply that they want to use something else. Choice
for choice's sake is otherwise known as freedom. It's the main reason
I like and use Linux. You've chosen Linux Mint, good for you. Others
choose otherwise, good for them. I have little patience when it comes
to control freaks trying to make decisions for others.
There's nothing wrong with Mint. It's an example of why GNU/Linux
really is sleek, because they recreated Winblows with Linux,
essentially, congratulations for that indeed. I am more advanced,
though, and need something more hardcore.
Y'all have to recognize that "alty" is a humorist, and a rather good
one.
They had comp.os.linux.misc tied in knots trying to figure out what he
meant by "converting his hard drives to SSDs". One of the old-timers
even complimented them on their escapade.
If the colm denizens didn't figure it out then, they should have figured
it out when they were talking about improving their sister's sleeping arrangements by raising her mattress off the floor with wooden
pallettes.
On 8 Aug 2025 06:32:32 GMT, vallor wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 02:09:25 -0400, "Joel W. Crump"
<[email protected]>
wrote in <qwglQ.454910$[email protected]>:
On 8/8/25 2:04 AM, RonB wrote:
On 2025-08-08, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote:
There simply is no reason for anyone to ever use any other distro
than Mint. Choice for choice's sake is meaningless.
The "reason" is simply that they want to use something else. Choice
for choice's sake is otherwise known as freedom. It's the main reason
I like and use Linux. You've chosen Linux Mint, good for you. Others
choose otherwise, good for them. I have little patience when it comes
to control freaks trying to make decisions for others.
There's nothing wrong with Mint. It's an example of why GNU/Linux
really is sleek, because they recreated Winblows with Linux,
essentially, congratulations for that indeed. I am more advanced,
though, and need something more hardcore.
Y'all have to recognize that "alty" is a humorist, and a rather good
one.
They had comp.os.linux.misc tied in knots trying to figure out what he
meant by "converting his hard drives to SSDs". One of the old-timers
even complimented them on their escapade.
If the colm denizens didn't figure it out then, they should have
figured it out when they were talking about improving their sister's
sleeping arrangements by raising her mattress off the floor with wooden
pallettes.
Have you ever seen a mattress resting on a wood pallet? It's ingenious.
First off, it allows air circulation under the mattress that even a box spring frame doesn't allow.
Secondly, it elevates the mattress to avoid insects, roaches, bugs,
spiders, etc... of all sorts.
Tertiary, it allows for gobs of new storage space inside the little
wooden cubicles.
You can find one on the side of the road, in a ditch, behind a dumpster, laying against the outside of a wall of a business and all sorts of
places and they are completely free. When it starts to creak, crack,
and get generally old, you can simply burn it and find a brand new one.
There actually is no discernible drawback. Others can criticize me for
many things, I'm sure, but being thrifty and resourceful isn't one of
them.
My dad was (is) "frugal". To heat our home, we used a wood
stove insert in the fireplace, and burned free wooden pallets.
A good place to find them is behind glass companies.
My dad was (is) "frugal". To heat our home, we used a wood stove insert
in the fireplace, and burned free wooden pallets.
We (Dad and us kids) would go to the glass company and fill the pickup
full of pallets. Then when we got home,
we schlepped them all into the backyard, where we pulled them apart and
sawed them up for firewood.
At first, we used to pull the nails out, but then Dad decided that it
was easier to just burn them with the nails, leaving them in the ashes. Shovelling the ashes into a bag for disposal meant a heavy bag, but it
wasn't too much of a chore.
(We banged the nails flat when we pulled the pallets apart,
of course. We weren't Philistines.)
Dad built a table for his Skilsaw(tm), which worked great,
and nobody lost a finger.
I just arranged the pallet and mattress for my little impoverished,
raggedy, waif-like niece, not my sister. She was grateful to not just be laying right on the mattress laying on the floor.
On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 05:32:02 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
On 2025-08-06, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2025 18:36:14 +0000, jroot wrote:
Now don't you wish that YOUR distro could do all this for you ('cause
you certainly can't do it for yourself)?
Linux Mint has about 3 billion more users than Gentoo. Gentoo sux!
Why does it have to be one or the other? Choice is good.
There simply is no reason for anyone to ever use any other distro than
Mint. Choice for choice's sake is meaningless.
Actually, if you're a fan of Wayland, there is one reason not to use
Mint.
Maybe you're not a fan of Cinnamon, there is a second reason.
Maybe you don't want anything produced by the faggots at GNOME, there is another.
Perhaps you like your distribution rolling, there is yet
another.
Maybe you don't want Ubuntu to be the source of your packages,
yet another.
I think CtrlAltDel simply doesn't get that not everyone prefers the Winblows-like thing, Mint attempts to be the distro that you can
literally throw anything at but I can get the same look of Cinnamon with Fedora or Debian, and worry about app availability in a more advanced
way.
On Fri, 08 Aug 2025 09:28:46 +0000, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I just arranged the pallet and mattress for my little impoverished,Will you paying for the medical bills after she is hospitalized for
raggedy, waif-like niece, not my sister. She was grateful to not just
be laying right on the mattress laying on the floor.
acute methyl bromide poisoning?
What would you do, if the next release of Mint fails to in-place
upgrade?
Good answer but still the wrong answer, the installer USB media hung
when I tried to do that. They want you to stay with the build you
initially install, for a while.
On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 07:14:20 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote
in <107484b$3152n$[email protected]>:
On 8 Aug 2025 06:32:32 GMT, vallor wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 02:09:25 -0400, "Joel W. Crump"
<[email protected]>
wrote in <qwglQ.454910$[email protected]>:
On 8/8/25 2:04 AM, RonB wrote:
On 2025-08-08, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote:
There simply is no reason for anyone to ever use any other distro
than Mint. Choice for choice's sake is meaningless.
The "reason" is simply that they want to use something else. Choice
for choice's sake is otherwise known as freedom. It's the main reason >>>>> I like and use Linux. You've chosen Linux Mint, good for you. Others >>>>> choose otherwise, good for them. I have little patience when it comes >>>>> to control freaks trying to make decisions for others.
There's nothing wrong with Mint. It's an example of why GNU/Linux
really is sleek, because they recreated Winblows with Linux,
essentially, congratulations for that indeed. I am more advanced,
though, and need something more hardcore.
Y'all have to recognize that "alty" is a humorist, and a rather good
one.
They had comp.os.linux.misc tied in knots trying to figure out what he
meant by "converting his hard drives to SSDs". One of the old-timers
even complimented them on their escapade.
If the colm denizens didn't figure it out then, they should have
figured it out when they were talking about improving their sister's
sleeping arrangements by raising her mattress off the floor with wooden
pallettes.
Have you ever seen a mattress resting on a wood pallet? It's ingenious.
First off, it allows air circulation under the mattress that even a box
spring frame doesn't allow.
Secondly, it elevates the mattress to avoid insects, roaches, bugs,
spiders, etc... of all sorts.
Tertiary, it allows for gobs of new storage space inside the little
wooden cubicles.
You can find one on the side of the road, in a ditch, behind a dumpster,
laying against the outside of a wall of a business and all sorts of
places and they are completely free. When it starts to creak, crack,
and get generally old, you can simply burn it and find a brand new one.
There actually is no discernible drawback. Others can criticize me for
many things, I'm sure, but being thrifty and resourceful isn't one of
them.
A good place to find them is behind glass companies.
My dad was (is) "frugal". To heat our home, we used a wood
stove insert in the fireplace, and burned free wooden pallets.
We (Dad and us kids) would go to the glass company
and fill the pickup full of pallets. Then when we got home,
we schlepped them all into the backyard, where we pulled them
apart and sawed them up for firewood.
At first, we used to pull the nails out, but then Dad decided
that it was easier to just burn them with the nails, leaving
them in the ashes. Shovelling the ashes into a bag for disposal
meant a heavy bag, but it wasn't too much of a chore.
(We banged the nails flat when we pulled the pallets apart,
of course. We weren't Philistines.)
Dad built a table for his Skilsaw(tm), which worked great,
and nobody lost a finger.
On 2025-08-08, vallor <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 07:14:20 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote >> in <107484b$3152n$[email protected]>:
On 8 Aug 2025 06:32:32 GMT, vallor wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 02:09:25 -0400, "Joel W. Crump"
<[email protected]>
wrote in <qwglQ.454910$[email protected]>:
On 8/8/25 2:04 AM, RonB wrote:
On 2025-08-08, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote:
There simply is no reason for anyone to ever use any other distro >>>>>>> than Mint. Choice for choice's sake is meaningless.
The "reason" is simply that they want to use something else. Choice >>>>>> for choice's sake is otherwise known as freedom. It's the main reason >>>>>> I like and use Linux. You've chosen Linux Mint, good for you. Others >>>>>> choose otherwise, good for them. I have little patience when it comes >>>>>> to control freaks trying to make decisions for others.
There's nothing wrong with Mint. It's an example of why GNU/Linux
really is sleek, because they recreated Winblows with Linux,
essentially, congratulations for that indeed. I am more advanced,
though, and need something more hardcore.
Y'all have to recognize that "alty" is a humorist, and a rather good
one.
They had comp.os.linux.misc tied in knots trying to figure out what he >>>> meant by "converting his hard drives to SSDs". One of the old-timers
even complimented them on their escapade.
If the colm denizens didn't figure it out then, they should have
figured it out when they were talking about improving their sister's
sleeping arrangements by raising her mattress off the floor with wooden >>>> pallettes.
Have you ever seen a mattress resting on a wood pallet? It's ingenious.
First off, it allows air circulation under the mattress that even a box
spring frame doesn't allow.
Secondly, it elevates the mattress to avoid insects, roaches, bugs,
spiders, etc... of all sorts.
Tertiary, it allows for gobs of new storage space inside the little
wooden cubicles.
You can find one on the side of the road, in a ditch, behind a dumpster, >>> laying against the outside of a wall of a business and all sorts of
places and they are completely free. When it starts to creak, crack,
and get generally old, you can simply burn it and find a brand new one.
There actually is no discernible drawback. Others can criticize me for
many things, I'm sure, but being thrifty and resourceful isn't one of
them.
A good place to find them is behind glass companies.
My dad was (is) "frugal". To heat our home, we used a wood
stove insert in the fireplace, and burned free wooden pallets.
We (Dad and us kids) would go to the glass company
and fill the pickup full of pallets. Then when we got home,
we schlepped them all into the backyard, where we pulled them
apart and sawed them up for firewood.
At first, we used to pull the nails out, but then Dad decided
that it was easier to just burn them with the nails, leaving
them in the ashes. Shovelling the ashes into a bag for disposal
meant a heavy bag, but it wasn't too much of a chore.
(We banged the nails flat when we pulled the pallets apart,
of course. We weren't Philistines.)
Dad built a table for his Skilsaw(tm), which worked great,
and nobody lost a finger.
Cool story!
Growing up in NYC, my elementary school still used coal to heat the school. >Of course we kids were fascinated when the coal trucks would deliver the coal >and it was so much fun to watch it going down these ramps into the boiler room.
In fact, the house my parents purchased in 1961 had coal furnaces in the basement.
Part of the agreement was for my parents to replace the system with oil fired >furnaces. Still growing up as a kid I saw the huge divots in the basement floor
where the coal stoves were and of course we had a section of the basement >cordoned off as a separate room and it was called the coal bin.
Those were good times, at least for me.
That is so ridiculous. I am nearly constantly copying and moving files
as well as mounting various drives and partitions.
If I had to preface
each command with that silly "sudo" is would give me writer's cramp.
Occasionally, however, I must boot into a "Live Linux" USB to do maintenance.
With these live distros one must operate as a non-root user
and I usually
must enter every command twice -- the second time is because I forgot to preface with "sudo."
Running as a non-root user is the most ridiculous thing imaginable.
Allow me to provide you with what may be an astonishing revelation for
you. It could revolutionize the way you interact with your computer. If
you find this fascinating and utilize it, please come back here and thank
me for giving you this:
https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
There simply is no reason for anyone to ever use any other distro than
Mint.
Le 08-08-2025, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> a écrit :
There simply is no reason for anyone to ever use any other distro than
Mint.
You shouldn't be too proud about your limitations.
On Thu, 07 Aug 2025 08:00:44 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
All these years, from my first Linux distro SLS (Softlanding Linux System) in 1992
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softlanding_Linux_System
I have been root and never ever had a problem.
Of course. Running as root is the only sensible option.
These security weirdos, if one were to ask them to explain,
in explicit technical detail, how a personal workstation
running root could ever be comprised, they could not ever
answer.
That's because they are technically stupid. They understand
nothing. All that they can do is parrot, or ape, the standard
line.
Heck. I can train a monkey to shine my shoes
but I sure as fuck would not want that monkey to administer my
GNU/Linux machines.
As an example, I can mention Berkeley Packet Filter (BPF)
and those security buffoons wouldn't know what the fuck I am talking
about.
Yet BPF is a major security hole
and a LOT of mitigations are built around it
-- but, for a personal workstation BPF is
totally superfluous and can be easily eliminated.
Other examples abound.
-- but, for a personal workstation BPF is
totally superfluous and can be easily eliminated.
I'm not sure you know what you are talking about.
On 8/9/25 6:56 AM, vallor wrote:
On 09 Aug 2025 10:09:38 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <[email protected]> wrote >> in <68971e62$0$10602$[email protected]>:
Le 08-08-2025, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> a écrit :
There simply is no reason for anyone to ever use any other distro than >>>> Mint.
You shouldn't be too proud about your limitations.
I don't think he's limited,
I think he just likes Mint...and hyperbole.
Meanwhile, Joel is talking about how he feels he's outgrown Mint and
needs something "hardcore"
-- well, Fedora is he-man Linux, but he can have it.
I got tired of all the bending over backwards for Fedora when I was
running it, and finally jumped ship to a distro that I didn't have
to fiddle with, leaving me free to use my computer without
worrying about the distro. That distro is Mint. (YMMV.)
On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 08:29:46 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Actually, if you're a fan of Wayland, there is one reason not to use
Mint.
I use Mint 22.1 Cinnamon, their latest and greatest offering, and don't
use Wayland. What are you talking about?
Maybe you're not a fan of Cinnamon, there is a second reason.
Don't use Cinnamon then. Out of the box, Mint also offers MATE and Xfce.
Of course, there is no restraint on any DE you wish to use. What are you talking about?
On 2025-08-08, Joel W. Crump <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/8/25 5:01 PM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 16:42:24 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
What would you do, if the next release of Mint fails to in-place
upgrade?
What? I'd just do a fresh install, restore programs, plop in /home, and
continue on my merry way. Total time to achieve these actions = 15
minutes.
Good answer but still the wrong answer, the installer USB media hung
when I tried to do that. They want you to stay with the build you
initially install, for a while. Kind of like M$. Kind of like, if you
download the Winblows clone of Linux, that's what you'd get. Heh.
Oh well. I never had any issues upgrading Linux Mint. Sorry you had
troubles.
I got tired of all the bending over backwards for Fedora when I was
running it, and finally jumped ship to a distro that I didn't have to
fiddle with, leaving me free to use my computer without worrying about
the distro. That distro is Mint. (YMMV.)
It's just a matter of feeling "at home" with the system, ultimately.
Mint works. Nothing is really at fault with it. It just doesn't have
the "feel" of Debian or Fedora, of being truly in the driver's seat.
Yes, I lived in Amsterdam, Netherlands, we had coal heating in
elementary school,
and we lived on the third floor of an apartment and had a big coal
heater in the living room,
and coal storage in a box on the balcony.,
I think you're right about Mint's polish, it's unique in distros I know
of in really making everything accessible to the user, while still being
a cohesive, functional environment. I'll never think negatively about
it, because I know how it is getting started with Linux, it's
challenging, but Mint really helps people to learn.
On 09 Aug 2025 12:43:17 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
-- but, for a personal workstation BPF is
totally superfluous and can be easily eliminated.
I'm not sure you know what you are talking about.
But I *am* sure that you *don't* know what you are talking
about.
You waste time arguing with a supreme GNU/Linux master
(that's me)
Nope, you're wrong, I knew what I was doing, Mint is just not as ideal
as you think. But it's good that it exists, to be sure.
Maybe I'm jaded but I have Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Q4OS, and Raspberry Pi OS dedicated boxes as well as Fedora, OpenSUSE, Kali, and
Ubuntu WSL instance.
I tried to fully reinstall with the new version, and the installer media
just hung, as if it wanted me to just stay with the slightly older
version (which is fair, as it was still supported for a good while)
No. I don't make mistakes with computers.
Think about it. The installer loading could scan my SSD and see I
already had the previous release installed. Which was still supported
for a good while. They don't want me to delete it, replace it with the
new release, and go through downloading all the updates and apps from
their servers.
Do you have a more plausible explanation for the installer hanging?
The media was fine, everything should have worked, there was nothing
that would've indicated otherwise whatsoever.
My explanation is the only one that seems to make any sense.
Why did another distro's installer boot, then, why'd only Mint's hang
like that, when it just happened to be loading on a system that had the previous release installed? It's called putting two and two together.
On 9 Aug 2025 19:52:35 GMT, rbowman wrote:
Maybe I'm jaded but I have Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Q4OS, and
Raspberry Pi OS dedicated boxes as well as Fedora, OpenSUSE, Kali, and
Ubuntu WSL instance.
You should try your best to trim all of these different OS's down to
just Mint. Put Mint on all the boxes and then modify and customize Mint
to suit your needs for everything.
On 8/9/25 6:39 PM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 08:19:23 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
Nope, you're wrong, I knew what I was doing, Mint is just not as ideal
as you think. But it's good that it exists, to be sure.
Okay, that's what you say but, it isn't so. Mint doesn't, hasn't, and
likely never will lock a user to a specific release and not allow them
to upgrade or downgrade.
The idea that Mint decides when it will allow a user to perform a
fresh/ new install, after some predetermined and secret time period, is
ridiculous.
You made a mistake of some sort.
No. I don't make mistakes with computers.
Well, OK, there was a time before when I was in poor shape mentally, and
made an error that I regretted, but it has nothing to do with this
situation. I knew what I was doing with the Mint installer, my theory
isn't *proven* but it's the only explanation that makes any sense.
It does make sense that they'd not want people to waste their resources.
I didn't really need to replace the installation I already had, it was still supported. I just wanted to be able to say I was running the
latest release. Since that wasn't an option, I left Mint behind.
But I'll still give them money once in a while, to support Cinnamon and
their work in drawing in new Linux users.
You're no more qualified to assert that than I am to assert my theory.
On 9 Aug 2025 19:52:35 GMT, rbowman wrote:
Maybe I'm jaded but I have Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Q4OS, and
Raspberry Pi OS dedicated boxes as well as Fedora, OpenSUSE, Kali, and
Ubuntu WSL instance.
You should try your best to trim all of these different OS's down to just Mint. Put Mint on all the boxes and then modify and customize Mint to
suit your needs for everything.
Make Mint all it can be. Supercharge it; make it perfect.
On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 22:35:54 -0000 (UTC), CtrlAltDel wrote:
On 9 Aug 2025 19:52:35 GMT, rbowman wrote:
Maybe I'm jaded but I have Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Q4OS, and
Raspberry Pi OS dedicated boxes as well as Fedora, OpenSUSE, Kali, and
Ubuntu WSL instance.
You should try your best to trim all of these different OS's down to
just Mint. Put Mint on all the boxes and then modify and customize Mint
to suit your needs for everything.
What fun is that? Diversity, my man! Unlike human diversity I find Linux distros to more or less be all the same.
It would have been a complete reinstall, though, not an upgrade in the
usual sense. They were basically saying I was being OCD about having
the latest release, when I didn't need it, in my theory.
On 8/10/25 4:20 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
You're no more qualified to assert that than I am to assert my theory.
No one, nowhere, at anytime, or anyplace, has ever released a Linux
distro to the public and then prevented the public from using it
because they didn't want potential users to install it because they
wanted to make them keep using the old release.
You are a nutball.
And yet you haven't given any plausible alternative theory for what
happened.
I know how to install, though, I just can't do it by magic, if the live-session installer doesn't load, I can't just wave my hand and make
it work, that's the problem.
On 8/10/25 4:20 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
You're no more qualified to assert that than I am to assert my theory.
No one, nowhere, at anytime, or anyplace, has ever released a Linux distro >> to the public and then prevented the public from using it because they
didn't want potential users to install it because they wanted to make them >> keep using the old release.
You are a nutball.
And yet you haven't given any plausible alternative theory for what
happened.
Le 09-08-2025, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 9 Aug 2025 19:52:35 GMT, rbowman wrote:
Maybe I'm jaded but I have Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Q4OS, and
Raspberry Pi OS dedicated boxes as well as Fedora, OpenSUSE, Kali, and
Ubuntu WSL instance.
You should try your best to trim all of these different OS's down to just
Mint. Put Mint on all the boxes and then modify and customize Mint to
suit your needs for everything.
Make Mint all it can be. Supercharge it; make it perfect.
You should first try to learn what an OS is, how it works, what
different OS bring and then you'll be able to understand why you speak nonsense.
Your request is impossible. Some OS have opposite purposes which can't
be combine without transforming them into unmaintainable huge fat OS.
On 8/10/25 6:27 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I know how to install, though, I just can't do it by magic, if the
live-session installer doesn't load, I can't just wave my hand and make
it work, that's the problem.
The install failed, for whatever reason, and you immediately reason out
some elaborate supposition about Mint punishing you and only you,
personally, you for not using the previous release long enough.
Can you sense how derisory this seems to everyone but you? Have you read
my .sig file?
I understand that it's a weird story, yeah, it was weird at the time it happened, too, but it did happen nonetheless.
Le 10-08-2025, Joel W. Crump <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 8/10/25 6:27 AM, CtrlAltDel wrote:
I know how to install, though, I just can't do it by magic, if the
live-session installer doesn't load, I can't just wave my hand and make >>>> it work, that's the problem.
The install failed, for whatever reason, and you immediately reason out
some elaborate supposition about Mint punishing you and only you,
personally, you for not using the previous release long enough.
Can you sense how derisory this seems to everyone but you? Have you read >>> my .sig file?
I understand that it's a weird story, yeah, it was weird at the time it
happened, too, but it did happen nonetheless.
More than twenty five years ago, I wasn't able to install Red Hat.
Slackware worked fine, but Red Hat didn't. Red Hat installed everything beyond my back. It looked cool to do things effortlessly, but unlike slackware which was difficult to install: it just didn't work.
Everything looked fine until the reboot after the install process: it
just didn't start. I never believed Red Hat was after me: I assumed Red
Hat was shit and stayed with Slackware.
He's a limited lunatic monomaniac focused about Mint, but he's got two
points here:
I understand that it's a weird story, yeah, it was weird at the time it happened, too, but it did happen nonetheless.
It's not that it *targeted* me, or some shit, no, it's that it scanned
my SSD and saw what was already on it, the previous release.
I'm not here to play games.
If there's some other explanation for the installer hanging like it did,
I'm all ears, but till now, you haven't delivered that.
Nope. I made a USB media the proper way. It hung. End of story.
What the fuck? Lol.
'K.
It's hard to remember the exact details of what was blocking the
in-place upgrade,
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 05:25:15 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:
It's hard to remember the exact details of what was blocking the
in-place upgrade,
I thought it was a fresh install? You've been saying that over and over again. Now it's an upgrade? Maybe you just didn't have any idea what was really going on and that's probably why your install failed.
Snit is a decent guy.
Joel has switched from Windows to Linux back to Windows back to Linux
again like a half a dozen times.
You might want to look at Joel's last Windows experience where he was convinced that Microsoft somehow sabotaged his system so he was unable
to use it.
He also assembled his hardware incorrectly and ended up with a brand new brick.
Joel, a bestie of snit BTW, is a kook.
On 8/10/25 10:33 PM, vallor wrote:
Snit is a decent guy.
You're new here, aren't you?
No, man, I just see through the bullying of Snit by various people. He doesn't do anything so terrible. He's a friend.
Dude, take a breath. I tried to do an in-place upgrade *first*. It was
when that didn't work, that I then tried to do a full reinstall. When neither worked, I left Mint behind. But I will still support them financially when I am inclined to, they are the source of Cinnamon, my favorite DE, and they help people discover that there's a world outside Winblows and macOS.
On 2025-08-11, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 05:25:15 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:Joel has switched from Windows to Linux back to Windows back to Linux again like
It's hard to remember the exact details of what was blocking the
in-place upgrade,
I thought it was a fresh install? You've been saying that over and over
again. Now it's an upgrade? Maybe you just didn't have any idea what was
really going on and that's probably why your install failed.
a half a dozen times.
Joel W. Crump seems to be the type that can't quite acknowledge reality
for fear that it will make him lose an apparent cherished, yet incorrect, talking point.
On 8/11/25 12:45 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-08-10 4:40 p.m., CtrlAltDel wrote:
Joel W. Crump seems to be the type that can't quite acknowledge reality
for fear that it will make him lose an apparent cherished, yet incorrect, >>> talking point.
Joel allows himself to be fucked in the ass by a guy who believes
himself to be a woman yet thinks that he has a girlfriend.
You are correct, sir.
She's all woman.
On 2025-08-11, Joel W. Crump <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/11/25 12:45 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:Oy vey.
On 2025-08-10 4:40 p.m., CtrlAltDel wrote:
Joel W. Crump seems to be the type that can't quite acknowledge reality >>>> for fear that it will make him lose an apparent cherished, yet incorrect, >>>> talking point.
Joel allows himself to be fucked in the ass by a guy who believes
himself to be a woman yet thinks that he has a girlfriend.
You are correct, sir.
She's all woman.
On 8/11/25 12:45 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-08-10 4:40 p.m., CtrlAltDel wrote:
Joel W. Crump seems to be the type that can't quite acknowledge
reality for fear that it will make him lose an apparent cherished, yet
incorrect,
talking point.
Joel allows himself to be fucked in the ass by a guy who believes
himself to be a woman yet thinks that he has a girlfriend.
You are correct, sir.
She's all woman.
On 2025-08-10 9:27 p.m., pothead wrote:
On 2025-08-11, CtrlAltDel <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 05:25:15 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:Joel has switched from Windows to Linux back to Windows back to Linux
It's hard to remember the exact details of what was blocking the
in-place upgrade,
I thought it was a fresh install? You've been saying that over and
over again. Now it's an upgrade? Maybe you just didn't have any idea
what was really going on and that's probably why your install failed.
again like a half a dozen times.
It's a Pisces thing. We're indecisive.
On 8/11/25 2:59 AM, RonB wrote:
On 2025-08-11, Joel W. Crump <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/10/25 10:33 PM, vallor wrote:
Snit is a decent guy.
You're new here, aren't you?
No, man, I just see through the bullying of Snit by various people.
He doesn't do anything so terrible. He's a friend.
He's a troll. Period.
I accept that most reject him, he's never been nasty to me, though.
On 2025-08-10, Joel W. Crump <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/10/25 4:19 AM, RonB wrote:
If I say the installer hung,
I mean it hung. It's obvious why.
What's the "obvious" reason? I can assure you that the Linux Mint team
prefers that Linux Mint be upgraded.
It would have been a complete reinstall, though, not an upgrade in the
usual sense. They were basically saying I was being OCD about having
the latest release, when I didn't need it, in my theory.
Okay. It really doesn't matter, it sounds like you are enjoying Fedora.
I just upgraded another computer from Linux Mint 20.3 to 21.0 then 21.3 tonight (I guess, technically, last night). Went well.
Joel allows himself to be fucked in the ass by a guy who believes
himself to be a woman yet thinks that he has a girlfriend.
You are correct, sir.
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