Hello!

When doing some research about FreeBSD, I noticed that Sovereign Tech
Agency is funding various projects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Tech_Agency
This is a company operated by Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs
and Climate Action.

systemd is also funded by them, so I hope systemd haters will now have
more reasons to hate.

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Le 19-07-2025, Marco Moock <[email protected]> a écrit :

Hello!

When doing some research about FreeBSD, I noticed that Sovereign Tech
Agency is funding various projects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Tech_Agency
This is a company operated by Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs
and Climate Action.

systemd is also funded by them, so I hope systemd haters will now have
more reasons to hate.

From your email address, it looks like you are German so I'm surprised
by your message. The Europe must understand that US are not friendly to
us, Europe needs to be independent. With Trump, it should be more
obvious than ever. I know some Canadian here is waiting for Trump to
invade Canada to become part of the USA, but it's just because he's a
lost soul.

Europe, including Germany, should avoid Microsoft at all cost, so
financing Linux instead of Microsoft should be mandatory.

I don't argue about systemd against losers like FR/FF/DG/whatever
because they are just features of the past and I'm looking for the
future. I agree, there are some issues with systemd but there are no
real alternatives and a lot of great things come with systemd.

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On 19 Jul 2025 13:00:37 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

The Europe must understand that US are not friendly to
us, Europe needs to be independent.

Did you go for a swim in the Seine Sewer (a.k.a. River)
after it recently opened:

https://www.reuters.com/world/paris-opens-river-seine-public-swimming-first-time-since-1923-2025-07-05/


I happen to reside in Detroit, Michigan, USA, which is perhaps
the worst city in the world (which, incidentally, was founded
by the French in 1701).

But the streets of Detroit do not stink of piss as do the streets
of Paris.

ObLinux:

Systemd is fascist just like its German creator Lennart Poettering.



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Le 19-07-2025, Farley Flud <[email protected]> a écrit :

On 19 Jul 2025 13:00:37 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

The Europe must understand that US are not friendly to
us, Europe needs to be independent.

Did you go for a swim in the Seine Sewer

No. And I don't plan to.

(a.k.a. River)

Yes, I know what is the Seine. I don't need a illiterate moron to teach
me Paris' geography.

after it recently opened:

https://www.reuters.com/world/paris-opens-river-seine-public-swimming-first-time-since-1923-2025-07-05/

Let say that if a lot of bad things can be said about Anne HIDALGO, at
least, she swam in it. Unlike Jacques CHIRAC and Emmanuel MACRON who
had/have mouths far bigger than their brains.

But I have other things to do than going swimming in it. I know why.

I happen to reside in Detroit,

Yes, I know, I liked the way someone called you "Detroit's finest".

Michigan, USA, which is perhaps the worst city in the world

I can believe that the place in which you are living is the worst place
on earth. I can even see the relation.

(which, incidentally, was founded by the French in 1701).

The French weren't, and still aren't, responsible for your mediocrity.

But the streets of Detroit do not stink of piss as do the streets
of Paris.

I'm not that sure about that. For what you said about your basement
alone, it probably stinks more than all of the Parisian streets
combined.

Systemd is fascist just like its German creator Lennart Poettering.

Good, you can speak about Linux for one sentence in your idiotic
message. Of course, like everything you say, this sentence means
nothing, but it's a good start.

For your information, systemd is just a program (well a bunch of
programs if you want). So unlike your belief, it has no political view.
That's a little bit difficult for you to understand, but I can't say I'm surprised. One day, you'll have to know chatgpt, grok and the like
aren't sentient beings. Maybe one day some programs will have political
views but they're not yet available. Far from it.

And unlike the fascist part you don't understand either, you should use
nazi (you can't understand the difference between fascist and nazi but
it would be too dificult to explain to you, it would be more appropriate
(not more real mind you), because fascist was an Italian movement and
nazi was a German movement. So if you want to put names to
nationalities, you should try to use them correctly.

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W dniu 19.07.2025 o 10:01, Marco Moock pisze:

Hello!

When doing some research about FreeBSD, I noticed that Sovereign Tech
Agency is funding various projects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Tech_Agency
This is a company operated by Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs
and Climate Action.

systemd is also funded by them, so I hope systemd haters will now have
more reasons to hate.

I wonder what Jon "Maddog" Hall, which in every admission to Linux
Magazine PL, says that free and open software is written by volunteers
in their free time. This is a perfect example of such volunteers paid by governments. However, large corporations are equally beneficial for
Linux users.

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On 19 Jul 2025 13:00:37 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

The Europe must understand that US are not friendly to
us, Europe needs to be independent.

Did you go for a swim in the Seine Sewer (a.k.a. River)
after it recently opened:

https://www.reuters.com/world/paris-opens-river-seine-public-swimming-first-time-since-1923-2025-07-05/

I happen to reside in Detroit, Michigan, USA, which is perhaps
the worst city in the world (which, incidentally, was founded
by the French in 1701).

But the streets of Detroit do not stink of piss as do the streets
of Paris.

ObLinux:

Systemd is fascist just like its German creator Lennart Poettering.

When Linux Torvalds stops working on the kernel we may get other programming languages than C in the kernel..
google.com/search?q=Linus+Torvalds+take+on+other+programming+languages+in+the+kernel
Where is the end?
An OPERATING system is an interface between the hardware and user programs / applications.

More new kids are born too lazy to learn C, not interested in the hardware, turn to Python, what not..
https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

As to 'facist', That Mafia guy now destroying the US, what's his name... Trump? I mean the one who had that picture of him having sex with a pig send to that guy who
was killed by an agent in jail.
Trump, genocide committing YouWitz monster.

Some government help for Linux is a good thing.
Linux is in many more places than you may know, from all sort of stuff for control of things to space!
my old 3D Samsung TV was running open source Linux.
The Samsung new one did not recognize my old hard-disc with what was it Reiserfs?
So I had to copy to a new hard-disc with some Microsoft filesystem,
Seems they sold out to Microsoft, and that Samsung leader was jailed, his father who ran that company before him was wiser.
When I bought that small eeePC many years ago it came with Linux, after that the next versions were grabbed by Microsoft.
I find it interesting that that old one still works, and the only reason you cannot really browse the web with it is the web browser that is outdated!
Is the ONLY reason to upgrade web browsers???

But it is not only systemd, I had written lot of multi language multi-channel audio software for the Old Linux distro I used.
Then they moved to alsa..
And then there is X11..

It may seem fun, normally people just 'upgrade' and expect developers to keep in sync with the ever more changes in the kernel and libs.
Not so bad perhaps if you have, as developer only one program to maintain.
But a general nuisance, libraries are maintained and screwed up, things stop working.
I solved it for stuff important for me just by using the old libs: in one case when the 'maintainer' of one lib removed middle and right mouse button function
(libforms), contacted the developer, not sure he fixed it, using the old libs, renamed those to libzorms. :-)
Saves work.
It is a free world.
Maybe I will write my own Unix like system, but more interesting things at hand..
Soon Europe will be independent of the US and have its own nukes and V4 will free the world ;-)

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 15:48:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

But it is not only systemd, I had written lot of multi language multi-channel audio software for the Old Linux distro I used.
Then they moved to alsa..

I will assume that your software used the "old" OSS, or Open
Sound System.

Alsa includes an OSS emulation layer so that your software should
still be viable:

<https://docs.kernel.org/sound/designs/oss-emulation.html>

Also, the original OSS is still available via 4Front Technolopgies:

<http://developer.opensound.com/>

Of course, the fascist systemd would like to eliminate all possibilities
of using such software.



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Le 19-07-2025, Farley Flud <[email protected]> a écrit :

Of course, the fascist systemd would like to eliminate all possibilities
of using such software.

Once again you managed to show your lack of knowledge in only one short sentence.

First, as it looks like you don't know what you are speaking about:
systemd is a software. So it has no political goal. It's not fascist
because it just can't be. And it has no will, no goal or no whatever
you'd like it to want: it just doesn't want anything. It has only one
purpose: to start processes and follow them.

I know: for the following part, it shouldn't be its purpose. But as
nothing else provides it and as it starts every process it's at the best
place to do it. I'm not expecting you to understand that, but I have to
do it to show I know some real issues about systemd. I mean by that
systemd is not perfect, I know it, but there is nothing as good
available today. The day something better will be available, every
distro will switch to it, but it just doesn't exist yet.

Second, its creators (mostly Lennart but others followed him because
they are more competent than you) provided a lot of possibilities for
sysvinit scripts to still run with systemd. I know, you can't understand
that neither. But it shows, once again, that you know nothing about
things you are complaining.

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On 19 Jul 2025 13:00:37 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

The Europe must understand that US are not friendly to us, Europe
needs to be independent.

That applies to much of the rest of the world, as well (greetings to 🇪🇺 from 🇳🇿).

There is this principle called “digital sovereignty”, which means that we don’t get randomly stuffed about by internal political decisions made as a result of the infighting between factions in the USA.

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:01:56 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

systemd is also funded by them, so I hope systemd haters will now have
more reasons to hate.

At least Germany is a democracy, unlike the USA.

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 03:16:45 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 10:01:56 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

systemd is also funded by them, so I hope systemd haters will now have
more reasons to hate.

At least Germany is a democracy, unlike the USA.

Thanks, I needed a laugh. As long as die Brandmauer is used to marginalize
the AfD they're a long way from democracy. At least in the US the two
wings of the same oligarchy just laugh at the Libertarians and don't try
to ban them.

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On 20.07.2025 05:10 Uhr rbowman wrote:

At least in the US the two wings of the same oligarchy just laugh at
the Libertarians and don't try to ban them.

I would love to see a libertarian party in the US and Germany, but the
AfD turned away from that viewpoint and almost all libertarian people
left it.

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On 19 Jul 2025 21:45:54 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 19-07-2025, Farley Flud <[email protected]> a écrit :

Of course, the fascist systemd would like to eliminate all possibilities
of using such software.

Once again you managed to show your lack of knowledge in only one short sentence.

YOU are the ignoramus.

Check out Poetterings own words on the "mission" of systemd:

"Our objectives:
1) Turning Linux from a bag of bits into a competitive General Purpose Operating System.
2) Building the Internet's Next Generation OS
3) Unifying pointless differences between distributions"

<http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf>

This is FASCISM. It is a USURPATION of developmental freedom.

Systemd shall be, declares that pathetic clown Poettering,
the one-and-only way of Linux.

I say: "Fuck you!"

That abominable asshole should be "eliminated."

its creators (mostly Lennart but others followed him because
they are more competent than you)

How are those "competent" people coming along with Bus1?

<https://github.com/bus1/bus1>

Bus1 is the attempt of systemd to actually become an inextricable
part of the Linux kernel. But after 10 years those INCOMPETENT
ASSHOLES haven't made much progress

The only progress they have made is fooling idiots like you
into believing that systemd is a worthy project.

The reality is that systemd is useless junk.





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On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 11:32:46 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

On 20.07.2025 05:10 Uhr rbowman wrote:

At least in the US the two wings of the same oligarchy just laugh at
the Libertarians and don't try to ban them.

I would love to see a libertarian party in the US and Germany, but the
AfD turned away from that viewpoint and almost all libertarian people
left it.

There is a Libertarian Party in the US. Typically it gets about 3% of the
vote in local and state elections, less than 1% in presidential elections except in 2016 when Johnson got 3.3% I sometimes vote for the Libertarian
but it's a 'none of the above' selection. The ones I've talked to IRL
start off okay but veer off into nuttiness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_Oliver

The LP in this state maintained radio silence about him. The one thing the party has going for it is ballot access in many states. That's the first
line of defense for the duopoly; first you have to jump through many restrictive hoops to get on the ballot in each state.

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