• Trump A Pedophile? Secret Account Reveals His Download Habits

    From Leroy N. Soetoro@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 4 02:58:22 2025
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    scandals Updated Aug. 13, 2024
    What the Jeffrey Epstein Documents Reveal About Donald Trump
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/epstein-documents-trump.html

    Speculation about which famous and powerful figures would be tarnished by
    the Jeffrey Epstein scandal heated up at the end of last year when a judge ordered that court documents from a years-old case related to the disgraced financier be made public. And while Epstein�s black book contained a
    staggering number of A-listers and high-society pals, perhaps the biggest question surrounding the court documents� unsealing was what they would
    reveal about Donald Trump.

    The hype escalated on the afternoon of January 3, 2024, when Mark Epstein
    said that three years before his brother died in jail while awaiting trial
    on sex-trafficking charges, he told him he knew secrets that could blow up
    the presidential election between Trump and Hillary Clinton.

    �Here�s a direct quote: �If I said what I know about both candidates,
    they�d have to cancel the election.� That�s what Jeffrey told me in 2016,�
    Mark Epstein told the New York Post.

    Wild stuff! But Mark Epstein said he didn�t know what information his
    brother was referring to. And while Trump and Bill Clinton (who have both denied any Epstein-related wrongdoing) were mentioned in both old court documents and those released in early 2024, there was no smoking gun.

    Yet questions about Trump�s ties to Epstein persist, as the convicted sex offender is now a conspiracy-theory fixture and more Epstein files could
    still be unsealed. Here�s a running list of the new revelations and what we have already learned about Trump�s relationship with Epstein.
    What do we know about Trump�s friendship with Epstein?

    Trump began palling around with Epstein in the late �80s, but the depth of their friendship is a subject of debate.

    Footage unearthed by NBC News in 2019 shows the two men joking around and ogling women during a party at Trump�s Mar-a-Lago resort in 1992.

    Trump and Epstein were also photographed together in 1992 and 1997. The now famous image below shows Trump and then-girlfriend Melania Knauss partying
    with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell at Mar-a-Lago on February 12, 2000.
    Trump, Knauss, Epstein, & Maxwell At Mar-A-Lago
    Photo: Davidoff Studios Photography/Getty Images

    In 2002, the mogul told New York, �I�ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific
    guy. He�s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt
    about it � Jeffrey enjoys his social life.�
    Did Trump ever fly on Epstein�s plane?

    Yes. Flight logs show Trump was on Epstein�s plane multiple times, though
    he has denied it.

    Trump flew on Epstein�s private jet at least seven times between 1993 and
    1997, according to flight logs made public during various court
    proceedings. As the Miami Herald reported in 2021, Trump was accompanied by
    his then-wife Marla Maples and two of his young children on some of these flights:

    The flights were all between Palm Beach and New York City airports,
    with the June 1994 flight stopping at Ronald Reagan Washington Washington National Airport between Palm Beach and New York.


    A woman named Marla, apparently Trump�s then-wife Marla Maples, is
    listed as joining him on the June 1994 flight, along with a Tiffany,
    apparently their then-infant daughter, and a nanny. Trump�s son Eric is
    listed as joining him on an August 1995 flight between Palm Beach and New
    York.

    Nevertheless, in a January 2024 Truth Social post, Trump claimed �I was
    never on Epstein�s Plane, or at his �stupid� Island.� There is no evidence
    that he ever visited Little Saint James, Epstein�s property in the U.S.
    Virgin Islands.

    Bizarrely, it seems Trump unwittingly used a plane formerly own Epstein
    during the 2024 campaign. The Miami Herald reported that the Trump campaign used a blue Gulfstream jet formerly owned by Epstein to travel to several campaign fundraisers after Trump�s private jet experienced mechanical
    problems on Friday, August 9, 2024:

    Trump, enroute on his own private plane to a campaign event in Bozeman, Montana last week, unexpectedly landed in Billings because of mechanical problems, a campaign spokeswoman said. He and part of his staff then flew
    on a small charter to Bozeman for a rally Friday night. The next day, he switched to another larger Gulfstream with a serial number that matches a
    plane once owned by Epstein, his former neighbor in Palm Beach, the
    campaign confirmed.


    �The campaign had no awareness that the charter plane had been owned by
    Mr. Epstein,� the spokeswoman said, adding that the charter was
    commissioned by a vendor that has often been used by the campaign. �We
    heard about the former owner through the media.�

    Epstein�s old plane is now owned by Threshold Aviation Group, an Ontario, California-based company that offers private charter service. The Herald
    noted that the plane used by the Trump campaign was not the infamous
    �Lolita Express�; Epstein replaced that plane around 2017 and it �has since been destroyed.� A Trump campaign official told the New York Times that it
    has used the private jet vendor for years, and will try to avoid using Epstein�s old plane in the future.
    What�s going on with Katie Johnson and the allegations against Trump?

    In 2016 a woman who went by the pseudonyms Katie Johnson and Jane Doe in
    legal filings accused Trump of raping her in 1994, when she was 13, during
    an orgy held at Epstein�s home in Manhattan. She accused Epstein of raping
    her as well.

    Three suits were filed over the same allegations; the first was dismissed
    for failure to properly state a claim, and the other two were voluntarily dismissed. The third case was withdrawn just days before the 2016 election,
    and the accuser canceled a press conference at the last minute. Her
    attorney, Lisa Bloom, said the woman had received death threats and, �She
    has decided she is too afraid to show her face � She is in terrible fear.�

    The circumstances around the case were bizarre, as Vox summarized at the
    time:

    It was the end of an incredibly strange case that featured an anonymous plaintiff who had refused almost all requests for interviews, two anonymous corroborating witnesses whom no one in the press had spoken to, and a
    couple of seriously shady characters � with an anti-Trump agenda and a
    penchant for drama � who had aggressively shopped the story around to media outlets for over a year.


    Those shady characters � a former reality-TV producer who calls himself
    Al Taylor and a Never Trump conservative activist named Steve Baer � had
    been mostly unsuccessful in getting the media to bite. There are a few very good reasons for that, which the Huffington Post�s Ryan Grim succinctly
    summed up: Taylor and Baer have been really sketchy about the whole thing,
    and since the accuser is anonymous, journalists can�t do anything to verify
    her claims. The only journalist who has actually interviewed Johnson, Emily Shugerman at Revelist, came away confused and even doubting whether Johnson really exists.

    Trump has been accused of sexual misconduct by more than 20 other women
    over the years; those women were not underage, and their allegations did
    not involve Epstein. In May 2023, a federal jury found Trump civilly liable
    for sexually abusing E. Jean Carroll in the mid-1990s and for defaming her
    when he denied her rape allegation in 2022. He was ordered to pay Carroll
    $5 million in damages and is currently appealing the verdict.
    When did Trump cut ties with Epstein?

    Trump has claimed that he and Epstein had a �falling out� years before the financier was first arrested in Palm Beach in 2005 after being accused of paying a 14-year-old girl for sex. (Though dozens of other underage girls accused Epstein of sexual abuse at the time, because of a 2008 plea deal,
    he served only 13 months in jail in a work-release program.)

    There are reports that a battle over a choice Palm Beach property ended the Trump-Epstein friendship, but it�s unclear what exactly came between the
    two. Days after Epstein was arrested on federal sex-trafficking charges in 2019, Trump downplayed their relationship while speaking to reporters in
    the Oval Office. He said he merely �knew him like everybody in Palm Beach
    knew him,� adding, �I had a falling out with him. I haven�t spoken to him
    in 15 years. I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you.�
    Why were more Epstein documents released this year?

    The newly unsealed documents are from Virginia Roberts Giuffre�s settled
    2015 defamation lawsuit against Epstein�s former girlfriend Ghislane
    Maxwell, who is currently serving a 20-year prison term for trafficking
    women and girls for Epstein to sexually abuse. Giuffre is one of dozens of women, some as young as 14, whom Epstein allegedly abused.

    Some documents were blacked out or sealed over privacy concerns when the
    suit was settled in 2017. But in December 2023, federal judge Loretta
    Preska ruled that most of the records would be made public since most of
    the names were already public. The first 40 exhibits, totaling 943 pages,
    were released on January 3, 2024. Another 17 documents were unsealed on
    January 8. Seven more documents were released on January 9. (Read about the other figures listed in the new Epstein documents here.)

    On January 3, 2024, Trump�s spokesperson Steven Cheung offered a terse statement on the newly released documents, telling Newsweek that any claims about Trump�s relationship with Epstein had already been �thoroughly
    debunked.�
    What did the January 3 batch say about Trump?

    In short: not much. His name was mentioned four times in a May 2016
    deposition of Johanna Sjoberg, one of Epstein�s alleged victims, who said
    she was around him from 2001 to 2006.

    Sjoberg said that while flying on one of Epstein�s planes, they made an unplanned stop in Atlantic City and went to �one of Trump�s casinos.� She recalled that when she relayed the pilot�s message that they would need to
    land in New Jersey, �Jeffrey said, �Great, we�ll call up Trump and we�ll go
    to� � I don�t recall the name of the casino, but � �we�ll go to the
    casino.��

    Later, Sjoberg said she never gave Trump a massage.
    What did the January 8 batch say about Trump?

    One of the 17 exhibits unsealed on January 8 contained references to Trump,
    but they were from emails an Epstein victim had sent to a journalist that
    she later recanted.

    In emails exchanged with then�New York Post journalist Maureen Callahan in October 2016, Sarah Ransome made a number of explosive allegations against famous men, saying her friend had had sex with Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew,
    and Richard Branson on multiple occasions. She also said she had videos of
    the encounters but could not share them without her friend�s permission.

    In one of the emails, summarized below by attorneys representing Alan Dershowitz, Ransome said her friend was one of �many girls� Trump had had
    sex with, claimed the friend regularly had sex with Trump at Epstein�s
    mansion, and shared other NSFW details about Trump�s sexual proclivities:

    Ransome�s email that includes the claims about Trump appears later in the document and is partially cut off:

    In the document, Dershowitz�s attorneys used the emails to portray Ransome
    as a liar, noting that she had made many outlandish claims to the
    journalist, such as saying she�d reached out to the Russians for help and
    was �approached, by Special Agents Forces Men sent directly by Hilary [sic] Clinton herself, in order to protect her presidential campaign.� For
    example:

    In her final email to Callahan, Ransome says she wants to �retract
    everything I have said to you and walk away from this.� Callahan never published a story related to her allegations.

    Ransome also told The New Yorker in 2019 that she never had any videos. In
    her 2021 memoir, Silenced No More, Ransome explained why:

    I also told her I had video evidence of public figures participating in Jeffrey and Ghislaine�s pedophile ring. I didn�t. I said I did because I
    was absolutely terrified that, once I went public with my story, Jeffrey
    and Ghislaine would find and kill me. I wanted to send them a message via
    the press: If you wage war on me, I will return fire by releasing my
    evidence. That would be my leverage, my way of protecting myself.

    As ABC News noted, while Ransome was involved in various lawsuits against Epstein, no evidence supporting these claims appears in publicly available court records:

    Ransome was deposed in 2017 as a witness in the Giuffre versus Maxwell litigation. No evidence supporting the allegations Ransome shared with the reporter was entered in the record of this case.


    The lawsuit Ransome filed in 2017 under the pseudonym �Jane Doe 43�
    against Epstein, Maxwell and other alleged co-conspirators was settled the following year.


    Neither Clinton, nor Trump, nor Branson was accused by Giuffre, or
    anyone else besides Ransome, of any wrongdoing in the course of Giuffre�s defamation lawsuit against Maxwell.

    Ransome gave a victim-impact statement in federal court at Maxwell�s
    sentencing that did not specifically mention Trump or anyone but Epstein
    and Maxwell.
    What did the January 9 batch say about Trump?

    Trump�s name appeared four times in a deposition of Giuffre taken on
    January 16, 2016. She said that while she�d heard Trump had been in
    Epstein�s home, she never saw him there herself, adding, �I don�t think
    Donald Trump participated in anything.�

    Trump�s name was also mentioned in passing later in the deposition when he
    was described as one of Epstein�s famous friends.

    Giuffre testified that she had been recruited into Epstein�s sex-
    trafficking ring by Maxwell, who approached her in 2000 when Giuffre was a 17-year-old spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago. Trump�s Florida resort comes up
    more than a dozen times in the newly released depositions, as Epstein and Maxwell are questioned about how they met Giuffre. But Giuffre has said she
    had no relationship with Trump beyond his being her employer.
    Will more Epstein documents be made public?

    The final batch of documents from Giuffre�s settled 2015 defamation lawsuit
    was released in January. But other Epstein-related court records could
    still be made public.

    On February 29, 2024, Florida governor Ron DeSantis signed legislation that paved the way for the release of grand-jury evidence and testimony from a
    2006 Florida investigation into Epstein�s abuse of underage girls. The law
    says grand-jury records, which are usually secret, can be made public under limited circumstances.

    The state�s initial investigation into Epstein�s sex ring has long been controversial, as New York�s Matt Stieb explained:

    The state�s response to the initial investigation of Epstein�s sex ring
    in Florida has long been controversial. After police produced substantial evidence that Epstein was procuring and abusing girls, the state attorney�s office for Palm Beach County kicked the responsibility to a grand jury
    rather than charging Epstein directly. The grand jury ultimately led to one felony count against Epstein for soliciting prostitution � with no mention
    that the alleged victims were teenagers. Palm Beach police chief Michael
    Reiter published a letter he sent to five alleged victims stating that he
    did not believe �justice has been sufficiently served.� Reiter then brought
    the case to the FBI � which ultimately led to federal charges against
    Epstein and more controversy: Somehow, the financier scored a sweetheart
    deal signed by federal prosecutor Alex Acosta, which allowed him to leave
    jail six days a week for 12 hours at a time. (In 2019, Acosta resigned from
    his position as secretary of Labor after facing criticism for his role in
    the deal.)

    Judge Luis Delgado ordered the records released on July 1, the day the new
    law went into effect. The 176-page transcript does not mention Trump or Mar-a-Lago. As the Washington Post reported, the �long sought-after records that show how prosecutors attempted to paint two young women who testified
    as criminals rather than victims of sexual abuse.�

    In recent weeks many old Epstein court documents that mention his
    relationship with Trump have been circulating on social media. As Julie K. Brown, the Miami Herald reporter whose 2018 investigative series helped
    revive the criminal case against Epstein, clarified on X, these records
    were released years ago. This was confirmed by the Washington Post�s fact checker. The only new document released in July 2024 is the 176-page
    Florida grand jury transcript, which contains no new information about
    Trump.

    False posts that claim prosecutors are �reconsidering bringing charges�
    against Trump �on child rape and molestation charges� have been circulating
    on Facebook recently. The story is attributed to the Associated Press, but
    on July 11 the AP said it never reported this.
    What has Trump said about the release of more Epstein documents?

    In a June 2, 2024, Fox & Friends interview, Trump was asked if he would declassify various federal files. He quickly answered �yes� when asked
    about documents on 9/11, the JFK assassination, and Epstein � but then backtracked on the sex trafficker.

    �I guess I would,� Trump said. �I think [Epstein] less so because you don�t know, you don�t want to affect people�s lives if it�s phony stuff in there, because it�s a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I
    would, or at least��

    Interviewer Rachel Campos-Duffy tried to get Trump back on topic, but he continued musing about the Epstein files.

    �Yeah, I don�t know about Epstein so much as I do the others. Certainly
    about the way he died,� Trump replied. �It�d be interesting to find out
    what happened there because that was a weird situation and the cameras
    didn�t happen to be working, etc., etc. But yeah, I�d go a long way toward
    that one.�
    What has Trump said about Epstein�s death?

    During an August 2023 interview, Tucker Carlson asked Trump if he believed Epstein had killed himself in jail. �I don�t know,� said Trump, who seemed
    more interested in bashing his former attorney general Bill Barr. After
    more prodding from Carlson, Trump said that he thought it was �possible� Epstein had been killed but that �I think he probably committed suicide.�

    �Life with beautiful homes, beautiful everything, and all of a sudden he�s incarcerated and not doing well,� Trump said. �A lot of people think he was killed. He knew a lot on a lot of people.� Carlson confirmed that he was
    among those who believe Epstein �was killed,� and Trump replied that �a
    case could be made either way.�

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  • From bill_wilson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 01:11:29 2025
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    A much less boring fact is that Trump likes
    the smell of a little boy's ass. He likes
    the smell of toddler boy's diapers, also.
    Very disturbing.

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  • From America First Legal@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 5 14:02:12 2025
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    Republican rep insists GOP senators are pro-pedophile
    Marjorie Taylor Greene accused three Senate Republicans of being pro- pedophile. Such rhetoric is insane, but its not irrelevant.
    April 6, 2022, 10:42 AM EDT

    By Steve Benen

    If Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene wanted to be a more respected and effective federal lawmaker, the Georgia Republican has some options. She could, for example, decline invitations to white nationalist events. The extremist congresswoman could also stop promoting Russian propaganda.

    Greene could even avoid accusing her colleagues of supporting pedophilia.

    But the GOP lawmaker apparently cant quite help herself, publishing a tweet
    on Monday night that accused three Republican senators Maines Susan
    Collins, Alaskas Lisa Murkowski, and Utahs Mitt Romney of being pro- pedophile. Greenes proof: The three senators had just voted for Judge
    Ketanji Brown Jacksons Supreme Court nomination.

    To the extent that reality has any meaning, the three senators hadnt just
    voted for Jackson it was a procedural vote, not a vote on the nominee
    herself but lets all agree for now that this wasnt the most important
    detail.

    And while its true that sometimes people publish messages to Twitter that
    they later regret, but this does not appear to be one of those instances: Greene appeared on a conservative television talk show yesterday and again
    said the three senators from her own party are pro-pedophile. For good
    measure, the Georgia Republican added in the same interview that Democrats
    are the party of pedophiles.

    Obviously, such rhetoric is insane. That does not, however, make it
    irrelevant.

    As part of the GOP effort to slander Jackson, Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee attacked the high court nominees record on sentencing
    in child pornography cases. The baseless smear was quickly and thoroughly discredited even National Review described the allegations as meritless to
    the point of demagoguery and responsible observers moved on.

    Irresponsible observers did not. On the contrary, Greene and others on the right have seized on this as part of a larger, hysterical effort. As a Washington Post analysis explained, The red scare is now the kid scare.

    At this point ... insinuations about Democrats embracing pedophilia or downplaying sex crimes victimizing children are not simply the political
    fringe making its way into the Capitol. Instead, pedophile or groomer a
    term used to describe people who try to prepare children for abuse has of
    late replaced socialist as a preferred, political pejorative. Long-standing potency of elevating fears about the safety of children has combined with specific political fights like the Jackson nomination and Floridas new legislation limiting instruction about non-heterosexual relationships to
    spur a new rhetorical focus.

    The same Post analysis added that talk of pedophiles and child porn is
    becoming pervasive across much of the right, with conservative media
    outlets and prominent voices such as Donald Trump Jr. pushing the same
    smear.

    Yes, American politics has taken yet another turn to the point that
    casually throwing around baseless accusations of supporting pedophilia is
    now a part of our discourse.

    Indeed, a sitting member of the United States House of Representatives a Republican in good standing, whos poised to be rewarded by her party next
    year assumed she could get away with accusing three senators from her own party of being pro-pedophile, without any meaningful pushback, because
    thats where the contemporary right is now.

    And so far, Greenes assumptions appear correct. House GOP leaders made no effort to denounce her slander yesterday, and Senate GOP leaders made no
    effort to defend Collins, Murkowski, or Romney.

    The partys thinking appears obvious: Perhaps if Republicans simply ignore
    the defamatory garbage, the underlying problem will go away. If only that
    were true.

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