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So I live in Boston MA and suffer from AFIB so I am on blood thinners,
Plavix and Xarelto.
This means when I get a cut or nose bleed it can sometimes be difficult
to stop due to my blood not clotting due to the blood thinners.

So this afternoon out of the blue I started bleeding from my nose. I've
had this before and was taught how to stop the bleeding with pressure and
a spray I have.
This time was different as there was a LOT of blood and nothing was
working.
So my wife took me to the local ER before I bled out.

I could not believe what I saw.
It was like a fucking third world nation.
No place to sit because migrants with seemingly endless numbers of kids
were taking up all of the seats.
And then they were yapping away in Spanish, I think, but none of them
actually looked sick to me.

So fortunately triage worked and I was taken in quickly, blood soaked
towel and all. I was treated and the doctor was able to cauterize the
wound and stop the bleeding.

So once I calmed down I asked the nurse wtf was going on with the waiting
room and people seemingly not needing ER type care?
She gave me this look and unloaded on me.

Turns out, while I had to prove insurance, ID cards, coverage, deductible
and such, the majority of the people in the ER waiting room did not.

And the final blow was when I learned that these people use the ER as
their PC for sniffles and so forth !!!

So WTF is going on with this country?

You tell me.

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Sgt. Joe Friday wrote:

Be thankful you don't live in the welfare state California.

That's rich, coming from a white bread Christian asshole living in a red welfare state.


What Republicans Don�t Want To Say: Blue States Are the Ones Bailing Out Red States

By Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and Stephen Henriques
February 14, 2025 6:30 AM EST

Sonnenfeld, who has informally advised five U.S. presidents, is a Lester
Crown Professor of Leadership Practice and President of the Yale Chief Executive Leadership Institute. Henriques is a senior fellow at the Yale
Chief Executive Leadership Institute.

The red state denial of fiscal responsibility is manifest today as misguided voices champion the economic virtues of red states. For instance, President Donald Trump and the GOP have threatened to block disaster relief for Californian wildfires, to obstruct the return of federal relief for state and local tax payments, and to roll back the massive industrial investments from Biden-era legislation. Now, as GOP leaders in both chambers advance their budget proposals, Republicans are pursuing other politically punitive budget measures before the March 14 debt funding deadline.

However, blue states would do well to remember that it is they who are
picking up the bill for red states. Before Republicans start criticizing Democrats about their dependence on federal dollars, a quick review of the facts may be warranted. For instance, while federal dollars to New York represented 38% of its state budget in 2022, Texas received the same proportion, and Florida received even more (40%). Similarly, much attention from the GOP is given to Medicaid funding in blue states such as Illinois,
but they conveniently ignore the fact that Texas, Florida, Georgia,
Louisiana, and West Virginia, among other red states, see a greater share of the cost of their traditional Medicaid programs covered by the federal government.

A recent Wall Street Journal editorial called blue states the �wards of Washington� by questionably only looking at federal spending to blue states, ignoring the flow of federal funds to red states and oddly forgetting to analyze the other half the national income statement, matching expenses with revenues�that is tax revenues collected.

We have compiled a first-of-its-kind comprehensive five-year assessment of state-by-state inflows and outflows of federal funds and found the balance of contributions and receipts is not even close, red states are still propped up by blue states. After our researchers analyzed federal expenditures,
including the Biden era infrastructure initiatives, Medicare/Medicaid,
military spending, government contracts, standard grants, etc., against
federal revenues across all 50 states, it is clear that blue states are
funding red states.

From 2018 to 2022, individuals and organizations from blue states contributed nearly 60% of all federal tax receipts but only received 53% of all federal contributions to states in the form of either direct payments, grants, contracts, or wages. Meanwhile, red states were only responsible for 40% of federal tax receipts but received 47% of all federal contributions to states.
A 7% differential that in effect equates to a more than $1 trillion transfer payment from blue states to red states, amounting to $4,300 per capita, compared to the instance where their respective fair shares were paid.

In dollar terms, while federal contributions to blue states amounted to $11.6 trillion compared to $10.3 trillion across red states�or $71,500 and $67,000 per capita, respectively�federal receipts from blue states amounted to $10.7 trillion compared to $7.3 trillion from red states�or $58,500 and $45,000 per capita, respectively. Among the top 20 states realizing the greatest net flow of funds, calculated as federal contributions to states (inflows) less
federal tax receipts from states (outflows), 14 were red states, while 13 of the bottom 20 states are blue states. Headliners of the top 20 include West Virginia, Mississippi, Kentucky, and Alabama. Leading the bottom 20 are
states such as California, Washington, Massachusetts, and New York, all critical hubs of business, investment, and innovation.

Digging deeper into the component parts of federal contribution, red and blue states received similar dollar amounts in direct payments on a nominal ($6.9 trillion) and per capita ($42,900) basis, much of which come in the form of payments from Social Security, Medicare, and public assistance programs, such as the earned income and child tax credits. The red and blue states also receive similar amounts for military and non-military wages (excluding the
U.S. Post Office, which is self-funded) on a nominal ($650 billion) and per capita ($4,900) basis.

Another major geographic injustice favoring red states is the transfer of military muscle south. Despite Department of Defense investments into key military contractors in many blue states, such as Virginia, Maryland, and Connecticut, red states, such as Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina, have overwhelmingly benefited from military base expansion and relocations because of the Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) process established by Congress.

Since the BRAC Commission first began their reviews in 1988, the proportion
of bases located in red-state-dominate regions (i.e., Southeast, Southwest) increased by 6 percentage points compared to a decrease of 7 percentage
points in blue-state-dominate regions (i.e., Northeast, Mid-Atlantic)

The negative economic impact of such shifts has cast a shadow over many
cities and regions for decades. For example, the closure of the Philadelphia Naval Station resulted in an estimated loss of 35,000 jobs; a +25% increase
to regional unemployment; a $1.2B in loss of wage and non-wage income; a
$2.1B loss in gross regional product; and a loss of $37M in state tax
revenues

Finally, blue states did receive more in COVID-19 relief funds, but red
states have disproportionately benefited from Biden�s signature legislation�IRA, CHIPS, IIJA�by as much as fivefold.

It should be acknowledged that blue states do come out ahead on a few fronts. For instance, blue states receive more funding from grants on a nominal ($2.3 trillion in blue states vs. $1.7 trillion in red) and per capita ($13,200 vs. 12,300) basis, much of which fund Medicaid; Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children; Child Care and Development Block Grants. They also receive more financial assistance for the construction, maintenance and operations of state highways and ground transportation.

Plus, blue states receive more in federal contracts on a nominal ($1.6
trillion in blue states vs. $1.1 trillion in red) and per capita ($10,500 and $6,650) basis, the majority of which support the procurement of critical materials, supplies, and equipment for the Department of Defense; the medical and scientific research coordinated by the Department of Health and Human Services; and the well-being and health of America�s veterans through the Department of Veterans Affairs. However, these blue state advantages are overshadowed by the total picture above.

As Congress prepares for the budget and debt debate showdown next month, they must deal with the current facts and not historic fantasies.


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Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jul 2, 2025 at 7:02:13 PM MST, ""Sgt. Joe Friday"" wrote <[email protected]>:

Itamar Lichtman wrote:

So I live in Boston MA and suffer from AFIB so I am on blood
thinners, Plavix and Xarelto.
This means when I get a cut or nose bleed it can sometimes be
difficult to stop due to my blood not clotting due to the blood
thinners.

So this afternoon out of the blue I started bleeding from my nose.
I've had this before and was taught how to stop the bleeding with
pressure and a spray I have.
This time was different as there was a LOT of blood and nothing was
working.
So my wife took me to the local ER before I bled out.

I could not believe what I saw.
It was like a fucking third world nation.
No place to sit because migrants with seemingly endless numbers of
kids were taking up all of the seats.
And then they were yapping away in Spanish, I think, but none of them
actually looked sick to me.

So fortunately triage worked and I was taken in quickly, blood soaked
towel and all. I was treated and the doctor was able to cauterize the
wound and stop the bleeding.

So once I calmed down I asked the nurse wtf was going on with the
waiting room and people seemingly not needing ER type care?
She gave me this look and unloaded on me.

Turns out, while I had to prove insurance, ID cards, coverage,
deductible and such, the majority of the people in the ER waiting
room did not.

And the final blow was when I learned that these people use the ER as
their PC for sniffles and so forth !!!

So WTF is going on with this country?

You tell me.

Be thankful you don't live in the welfare state California.
Our schools, medical facilities, homeless shelters and streets are
flooded with these parasites and as soon as I retire from the PD I'm
outta here.
My wife is a teacher and she tells me everyday about students enrolling
in the school who cannot speak English and require special ed. And
while this has always been the case, the current numbers are far larger
than in the past and the multitude of various different native
languages is great and makes it even more difficult to assist these
students.

I'm sick of this shit and so are many others here in CA.
I pay 1000's into health insurance each year and even though I rarely
make claims, when I or my wife do it's always the same run around with
the insurance company trying to deny claims.
Yet people who climbed across the fence get it all for free, at least
in CA.
This is disgusting.
The system here in the US is not designed to handle millions of illegal
border jumpers that Biden welcomed into the country.

Wow. There's a lot to unpack in this stew of resentment, misinformation, and outright dehumanization. Let's start with the language: calling human beings "parasites" is not just vile -- it's the kind of rhetoric used to justify cruelty, neglect, and worse. If you're that comfortable dehumanizing kids and families trying to survive, you might want to take a long look in the mirror before ranting about "what's disgusting."

Some "people" DESERVE to be dehumanized.

You complain about California being a "welfare state" while ignoring that it's
also the fifth largest economy in the world -- in no small part because of immigrant labor and a diverse population. The state subsidizes many of the red
states that love to bash it while cashing the federal checks its economy helps
fund.

Myth.

Now about those kids your wife teaches: she's helping children who are multilingual and navigating a foreign culture and system. That's not a burden

Yes it is. They should be deported.

-- that's a remarkable opportunity to build global citizens. If you think it's
"disgusting" that a public school is serving all children regardless of background or language, maybe public service isn't the right career path for either of you.

You whine about paying into health insurance and not getting good coverage -- welcome to the private, profit-driven system conservatives have fought to protect for decades. Liberals have been the ones trying to fix it, expand coverage, regulate insurance companies,

The profits of insurance companies are regulated. Also, why is it that United Healthcare stock has skyrocketed since the enactment of Obamacare?

and make healthcare a human right.

I have the right to make you work for me for FREE! YAY!

And as for the tired "Biden welcomed millions of illegals" nonsense: no, he didn't.

You're right: his HANDLERS did.

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On 02 Jul 2025, "Trump's bitch" <[email protected]> posted some news:1044p60$3uops$[email protected]:

Sgt. Joe Friday wrote:

Be thankful you don't live in the welfare state California.

That's rich, coming to a white bread Christian asshole like me.

Kill yourself so someone else can eat.

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Itamar Lichtman wrote:

And then they were yapping away in Spanish, I think, but none of them >actually looked sick to me.

Welcome to Donald Trump's America.

They're all Trump's people. They've been ordered to keep white people
away.

More proof that the US for profit health care system is fucking shit.

You should save us all money and down a full bottle of Xarelto then cut
your wrists! It's cheaper.

Next time show up with your gun and get their attention that way.

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Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jul 2, 2025 at 11:02:30 PM MST, "Anonymous" wrote <10456dm$2lde4$[email protected]>:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jul 2, 2025 at 7:02:13 PM MST, ""Sgt. Joe Friday"" wrote
<[email protected]>:

Itamar Lichtman wrote:

So I live in Boston MA and suffer from AFIB so I am on blood
thinners, Plavix and Xarelto.
This means when I get a cut or nose bleed it can sometimes be
difficult to stop due to my blood not clotting due to the blood
thinners.

So this afternoon out of the blue I started bleeding from my nose.
I've had this before and was taught how to stop the bleeding with
pressure and a spray I have.
This time was different as there was a LOT of blood and nothing was
working.
So my wife took me to the local ER before I bled out.

I could not believe what I saw.
It was like a fucking third world nation.
No place to sit because migrants with seemingly endless numbers of
kids were taking up all of the seats.
And then they were yapping away in Spanish, I think, but none of them >>>>> actually looked sick to me.

So fortunately triage worked and I was taken in quickly, blood soaked >>>>> towel and all. I was treated and the doctor was able to cauterize the >>>>> wound and stop the bleeding.

So once I calmed down I asked the nurse wtf was going on with the
waiting room and people seemingly not needing ER type care?
She gave me this look and unloaded on me.

Turns out, while I had to prove insurance, ID cards, coverage,
deductible and such, the majority of the people in the ER waiting
room did not.

And the final blow was when I learned that these people use the ER as >>>>> their PC for sniffles and so forth !!!

So WTF is going on with this country?

You tell me.

Be thankful you don't live in the welfare state California.
Our schools, medical facilities, homeless shelters and streets are
flooded with these parasites and as soon as I retire from the PD I'm
outta here.
My wife is a teacher and she tells me everyday about students enrolling >>>> in the school who cannot speak English and require special ed. And
while this has always been the case, the current numbers are far larger >>>> than in the past and the multitude of various different native
languages is great and makes it even more difficult to assist these
students.

I'm sick of this shit and so are many others here in CA.
I pay 1000's into health insurance each year and even though I rarely
make claims, when I or my wife do it's always the same run around with >>>> the insurance company trying to deny claims.
Yet people who climbed across the fence get it all for free, at least
in CA.
This is disgusting.
The system here in the US is not designed to handle millions of illegal >>>> border jumpers that Biden welcomed into the country.

Wow. There's a lot to unpack in this stew of resentment, misinformation, and
outright dehumanization. Let's start with the language: calling human beings
"parasites" is not just vile -- it's the kind of rhetoric used to justify >>> cruelty, neglect, and worse. If you're that comfortable dehumanizing kids and
families trying to survive, you might want to take a long look in the mirror
before ranting about "what's disgusting."

Some "people" DESERVE to be dehumanized.

Racists such as yourself are as close as I can think of.

"Racism" is an anti-concept.

You complain about California being a "welfare state" while ignoring that it's
also the fifth largest economy in the world -- in no small part because of >>> immigrant labor and a diverse population. The state subsidizes many of the red
states that love to bash it while cashing the federal checks its economy helps
fund.

Myth.

Nope.

California's economy:
"California is now the 4th largest economy in the world" - CA Governor's office (Apr 23, 2025) https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/04/23/california-is-now-the-4th-largest-economy-in-the-world

"California's economy ranks fifth internationally" - Public Policy Institute of California
https://www.ppic.org/publication/californias-economy

"If the state were considered separately, it would rank as the fifth largest economy in the world" - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California

Immigrant labor and tax contributions:
"California's undocumented residents contribute nearly $8.5 billion in taxes" - ITEP (Oct 2024)
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024

"Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes
in 2022" - ITEP
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024

Federal funding and donor state status:
"California residents and businesses contribute $83 billion more than the state receives in federal spending" - California Budget Center (Mar 2025) https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/is-california-a-donor-state-heres-how-much-it-pays-to-the-feds-vs-what-it-gets-back

"Californians pay Trump's bills... contributes nearly $700 billion to the federal government" - CA Governor's press office (Jun 2025) https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/06/06/californians-pay-trumps-bills

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/502321-no-blue-states-do-not-bailout-red-states/

Now about those kids your wife teaches: she's helping children who are
multilingual and navigating a foreign culture and system. That's not a burden

Yes it is.

Source?

Who has to pay the extra taxes for those programs?

They should be deported.

Your opinion is tied to your ignorance.

You should be deported.

-- that's a remarkable opportunity to build global citizens. If you think it's
"disgusting" that a public school is serving all children regardless of
background or language, maybe public service isn't the right career path for
either of you.

You whine about paying into health insurance and not getting good coverage --
welcome to the private, profit-driven system conservatives have fought to >>> protect for decades. Liberals have been the ones trying to fix it, expand >>> coverage, regulate insurance companies,

The profits of insurance companies are regulated. Also, why is it that United
Healthcare stock has skyrocketed since the enactment of Obamacare?

You're not wrong that insurance company profits are technically "regulated" in
the sense that Obamacare (the ACA) introduced medical loss ratio (MLR) rules requiring insurers to spend at least 80-85% of premiums on actual care. But that doesn't mean the system isn't still highly profitable for them.

UnitedHealth and others have thrived since the ACA largely because they adapted by:
* shifting heavily into Medicare Advantage and Medicaid managed care, both of which are taxpayer-funded programs where they skim administrative fees and cherry-pick healthier patients.
* consolidating and buying up pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs), urgent care chains, and other verticals, letting them control more of the healthcare dollar.

Also worth pointing out: the basic model of Obamacare - using private insurers, requiring people to buy coverage, and subsidizing low-income customers - came straight from the very conservative Heritage Foundation in the 1980s and was first implemented in Massachusetts under Republican Governor
Mitt Romney. It was designed as a market-friendly alternative to single-payer.
Liberals supported it as a compromise to expand coverage, but many still argue
for stronger reforms like a public option or even Medicare for All to break the grip of profit-driven care.

So yes, UnitedHealth's stock is booming - it's proof of how entrenched private
insurers are and why real reform is needed.

Sources: https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/explaining-health-care-reform-medical-loss-ratio-mlr/
https://www.statnews.com/2023/04/25/medicare-advantage-unitedhealthcare-profits/
https://www.healthaffairs.org/content/forefront/vertical-integration-health-care-insurers-own-everything
https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/forefront.20120214.019901

Obamacare is a failure.

and make healthcare a human right.

I have the right to make you work for me for FREE! YAY!

That's not how rights work. Declaring healthcare a human right doesn't mean you can drag a doctor into your house and demand they treat you for free

Yeah, you just paper over with various layers of scams and cost-shifting.

any
more than your right to a lawyer means attorneys are enslaved. It means the system is structured so that everyone has access to care without being bankrupted.

Doctors and nurses still get paid under every universal healthcare system in the developed world -- and often earn more competitive salaries because they aren't buried under the overhead of billing insurance companies or chasing debt from patients who can't pay.

Every other wealthy democracy has figured this out. The U.S. is the outlier, paying more per person than anyone else while leaving tens of millions uninsured or underinsured.

Sources:
https://www.oecd.org/health/health-data.htm https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2020/jan/us-health-care-global-perspective-2019

There are ways to fix the medical system while making it for-profit again.

And as for the tired "Biden welcomed millions of illegals" nonsense: no, he >>> didn't.

You're right: his HANDLERS did.

"Handlers"? That's a meaningless talking point. Biden was the president, and

He didn't even know he was president. LOL!

he made policy decisions in consultation with his cabinet and advisors -- like
every president before him. If you're talking about immigration, the reality is illegal border crossings increased sharply under Trump (2020 hit historic highs) and continued under Biden largely because of post-COVID global migration spikes, political instability in Latin America, and labor demand in the U.S.

Biden actually kept many Trump-era border policies in place (like Title 42 until courts forced changes) and increased deportations and removals in some categories. If you're serious about immigration reform, that's a bipartisan failure going back decades.

Sources: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/us-border-2023-migration-challenges https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/12/us/politics/biden-border-immigration.html

Brandon's handlers kept the border open by refusing to deport illegal aliens, and intentionally violating the law on Temporary Protected Status, which is to be used ONLY on an individual case-by-case basis.

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On 2025-07-04, Anonymous <[email protected]> wrote:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jul 2, 2025 at 11:02:30 PM MST, "Anonymous" wrote
<10456dm$2lde4$[email protected]>:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jul 2, 2025 at 7:02:13 PM MST, ""Sgt. Joe Friday"" wrote
<[email protected]>:

Itamar Lichtman wrote:

So I live in Boston MA and suffer from AFIB so I am on blood
thinners, Plavix and Xarelto.
This means when I get a cut or nose bleed it can sometimes be
difficult to stop due to my blood not clotting due to the blood
thinners.

So this afternoon out of the blue I started bleeding from my nose. >>>>>> I've had this before and was taught how to stop the bleeding with
pressure and a spray I have.
This time was different as there was a LOT of blood and nothing was >>>>>> working.
So my wife took me to the local ER before I bled out.

I could not believe what I saw.
It was like a fucking third world nation.
No place to sit because migrants with seemingly endless numbers of >>>>>> kids were taking up all of the seats.
And then they were yapping away in Spanish, I think, but none of them >>>>>> actually looked sick to me.

So fortunately triage worked and I was taken in quickly, blood soaked >>>>>> towel and all. I was treated and the doctor was able to cauterize the >>>>>> wound and stop the bleeding.

So once I calmed down I asked the nurse wtf was going on with the
waiting room and people seemingly not needing ER type care?
She gave me this look and unloaded on me.

Turns out, while I had to prove insurance, ID cards, coverage,
deductible and such, the majority of the people in the ER waiting
room did not.

And the final blow was when I learned that these people use the ER as >>>>>> their PC for sniffles and so forth !!!

So WTF is going on with this country?

You tell me.

Be thankful you don't live in the welfare state California.
Our schools, medical facilities, homeless shelters and streets are
flooded with these parasites and as soon as I retire from the PD I'm >>>>> outta here.
My wife is a teacher and she tells me everyday about students enrolling >>>>> in the school who cannot speak English and require special ed. And
while this has always been the case, the current numbers are far larger >>>>> than in the past and the multitude of various different native
languages is great and makes it even more difficult to assist these
students.

I'm sick of this shit and so are many others here in CA.
I pay 1000's into health insurance each year and even though I rarely >>>>> make claims, when I or my wife do it's always the same run around with >>>>> the insurance company trying to deny claims.
Yet people who climbed across the fence get it all for free, at least >>>>> in CA.
This is disgusting.
The system here in the US is not designed to handle millions of illegal >>>>> border jumpers that Biden welcomed into the country.

Wow. There's a lot to unpack in this stew of resentment, misinformation, and
outright dehumanization. Let's start with the language: calling human beings
"parasites" is not just vile -- it's the kind of rhetoric used to justify >>>> cruelty, neglect, and worse. If you're that comfortable dehumanizing kids and
families trying to survive, you might want to take a long look in the mirror
before ranting about "what's disgusting."

Some "people" DESERVE to be dehumanized.

Racists such as yourself are as close as I can think of.

"Racism" is an anti-concept.

Yep.
It's one of snit's tricks to derail a discussion.
Snit = Brock McNuggets BTW.
He believes everyone but himself is a racist.
Facts scare snit.

You complain about California being a "welfare state" while ignoring that it's
also the fifth largest economy in the world -- in no small part because of >>>> immigrant labor and a diverse population. The state subsidizes many of the red
states that love to bash it while cashing the federal checks its economy helps
fund.

Myth.

Nope.

California's economy:
"California is now the 4th largest economy in the world" - CA Governor's
office (Apr 23, 2025)
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/04/23/california-is-now-the-4th-largest-economy-in-the-world


"California's economy ranks fifth internationally" - Public Policy Institute >> of California
https://www.ppic.org/publication/californias-economy

"If the state were considered separately, it would rank as the fifth largest >> economy in the world" - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California

Immigrant labor and tax contributions:
"California's undocumented residents contribute nearly $8.5 billion in taxes"
- ITEP (Oct 2024)
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024

"Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes
in 2022" - ITEP
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024

Federal funding and donor state status:
"California residents and businesses contribute $83 billion more than the
state receives in federal spending" - California Budget Center (Mar 2025)
https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/is-california-a-donor-state-heres-how-much-it-pays-to-the-feds-vs-what-it-gets-back


"Californians pay Trump's bills... contributes nearly $700 billion to the
federal government" - CA Governor's press office (Jun 2025)
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/06/06/californians-pay-trumps-bills

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/502321-no-blue-states-do-not-bailout-red-states/

Yes.
That's another left wing propaganda statement.
It fits in with Republicans are going to take away Medicaid, Medicare, SS and so forth.
The democrats have been using these same lies for decades.
And backed by the left wing media they have gotten away with it.
No more though as the people have woken up and do not trust the media.

Now about those kids your wife teaches: she's helping children who are >>>> multilingual and navigating a foreign culture and system. That's not a burden

Yes it is.

Source?

Who has to pay the extra taxes for those programs?

Certainly not snit Brock McNuggets = Michael Glasser of Prescott Arizona because
he lives on government SNAP, welfare etc and does not pay taxes.
Snit is a parasite.

They should be deported.

Your opinion is tied to your ignorance.

You should be deported.

He should be prosecuted for fraud and forced to work in order to
pay back all the money he has grifted off the government.

And with the new Trump BBB it actually may come to pass.
Even a moron like snit can dig a ditch.

-- that's a remarkable opportunity to build global citizens. If you think it's
"disgusting" that a public school is serving all children regardless of >>>> background or language, maybe public service isn't the right career path for
either of you.

You whine about paying into health insurance and not getting good coverage --
welcome to the private, profit-driven system conservatives have fought to >>>> protect for decades. Liberals have been the ones trying to fix it, expand >>>> coverage, regulate insurance companies,

The profits of insurance companies are regulated. Also, why is it that United
Healthcare stock has skyrocketed since the enactment of Obamacare?

You're not wrong that insurance company profits are technically "regulated" in
the sense that Obamacare (the ACA) introduced medical loss ratio (MLR) rules >> requiring insurers to spend at least 80-85% of premiums on actual care. But >> that doesn't mean the system isn't still highly profitable for them.

UnitedHealth and others have thrived since the ACA largely because they
adapted by:
* shifting heavily into Medicare Advantage and Medicaid managed care, both of
which are taxpayer-funded programs where they skim administrative fees and >> cherry-pick healthier patients.
* consolidating and buying up pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs), urgent care >> chains, and other verticals, letting them control more of the healthcare
dollar.

Also worth pointing out: the basic model of Obamacare - using private
insurers, requiring people to buy coverage, and subsidizing low-income
customers - came straight from the very conservative Heritage Foundation in >> the 1980s and was first implemented in Massachusetts under Republican Governor
Mitt Romney. It was designed as a market-friendly alternative to single-payer.
Liberals supported it as a compromise to expand coverage, but many still argue
for stronger reforms like a public option or even Medicare for All to break >> the grip of profit-driven care.

So yes, UnitedHealth's stock is booming - it's proof of how entrenched private
insurers are and why real reform is needed.

Sources:
https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/explaining-health-care-reform-medical-loss-ratio-mlr/
https://www.statnews.com/2023/04/25/medicare-advantage-unitedhealthcare-profits/
https://www.healthaffairs.org/content/forefront/vertical-integration-health-care-insurers-own-everything
https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/forefront.20120214.019901

Obamacare is a failure.

Depending upon the state you live in, yea it's a disaster.
Snit doesn't have to deal with it though as he is firmly attached to
the Medicaid teet.
He's a hypochondriac with a dozen or so imagined diseases yet he can troll
24x7 and post 1000's of messages per month.

and make healthcare a human right.

I have the right to make you work for me for FREE! YAY!

That's not how rights work. Declaring healthcare a human right doesn't mean >> you can drag a doctor into your house and demand they treat you for free

Yeah, you just paper over with various layers of scams and cost-shifting.

Welcome to the world of the left.
They have been scamming for decades and now that it's coming to an end notice how the DNC is whining that they are out of money.
Interesting yes?

any
more than your right to a lawyer means attorneys are enslaved. It means the >> system is structured so that everyone has access to care without being
bankrupted.

Doctors and nurses still get paid under every universal healthcare system in >> the developed world -- and often earn more competitive salaries because they >> aren't buried under the overhead of billing insurance companies or chasing >> debt from patients who can't pay.

Every other wealthy democracy has figured this out. The U.S. is the outlier, >> paying more per person than anyone else while leaving tens of millions
uninsured or underinsured.

Sources:
https://www.oecd.org/health/health-data.htm
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2020/jan/us-health-care-global-perspective-2019

There are ways to fix the medical system while making it for-profit again.

The healthcare system in US is borked for sure.
It needs to be redesigned from the bottom up.
Same with the immigration system.

And as for the tired "Biden welcomed millions of illegals" nonsense: no, he
didn't.

You're right: his HANDLERS did.

"Handlers"? That's a meaningless talking point. Biden was the president, and

He didn't even know he was president. LOL!

Biden was a calcified corpse who couldn't find his way out of his own closet. He was the classic Manchurian candidate and his far left wing handlers used him to attempt to destroy capitalism and thus the USA.
And they came darn close!

he made policy decisions in consultation with his cabinet and advisors -- like
every president before him. If you're talking about immigration, the reality >> is illegal border crossings increased sharply under Trump (2020 hit historic >> highs) and continued under Biden largely because of post-COVID global
migration spikes, political instability in Latin America, and labor demand in
the U.S.

Biden actually kept many Trump-era border policies in place (like Title 42 >> until courts forced changes) and increased deportations and removals in some >> categories. If you're serious about immigration reform, that's a bipartisan >> failure going back decades.

Sources:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/us-border-2023-migration-challenges >> https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/12/us/politics/biden-border-immigration.html

Brandon's handlers kept the border open by refusing to deport illegal aliens, and intentionally violating the law on Temporary Protected Status, which is to
be used ONLY on an individual case-by-case basis.

Treason is the word of the day.
Not Biden, but Mayorkas and Biden's handlers.

String them up.

ACW removed from xposts

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"No Kings" Protests.....
Brought to you by the party who anointed
Kamala to be their candidate w/o a single vote....

Let *that* sink in.

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Anonymous wrote:

You should be deported.

All rightists should be deported, or executed in their beds.


When there is a democrat president again there will be mass culls of
rightists, all traces will be wiped out.

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Anonymous wrote:

Some "people" DESERVE to be dehumanized.

Which is why killing the rightist followers of Trump is justified.

They are subhuman and have no rights.

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On 03 Jul 2025, Brock McNuggets <[email protected]> posted some news:68669b6e$1$4125$[email protected]:

On Jul 2, 2025 at 11:02:30 PM MST, "Anonymous" wrote
<10456dm$2lde4$[email protected]>:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Jul 2, 2025 at 7:02:13 PM MST, ""Sgt. Joe Friday"" wrote
<[email protected]>:

Itamar Lichtman wrote:

So I live in Boston MA and suffer from AFIB so I am on blood
thinners, Plavix and Xarelto.
This means when I get a cut or nose bleed it can sometimes be
difficult to stop due to my blood not clotting due to the blood
thinners.

So this afternoon out of the blue I started bleeding from my nose.
I've had this before and was taught how to stop the bleeding with
pressure and a spray I have.
This time was different as there was a LOT of blood and nothing
was working.
So my wife took me to the local ER before I bled out.

I could not believe what I saw.
It was like a fucking third world nation.
No place to sit because migrants with seemingly endless numbers of
kids were taking up all of the seats.
And then they were yapping away in Spanish, I think, but none of
them actually looked sick to me.

So fortunately triage worked and I was taken in quickly, blood
soaked towel and all. I was treated and the doctor was able to
cauterize the wound and stop the bleeding.

So once I calmed down I asked the nurse wtf was going on with the
waiting room and people seemingly not needing ER type care?
She gave me this look and unloaded on me.

Turns out, while I had to prove insurance, ID cards, coverage,
deductible and such, the majority of the people in the ER waiting
room did not.

And the final blow was when I learned that these people use the ER
as their PC for sniffles and so forth !!!

So WTF is going on with this country?

You tell me.

Be thankful you don't live in the welfare state California.
Our schools, medical facilities, homeless shelters and streets are
flooded with these parasites and as soon as I retire from the PD
I'm outta here.
My wife is a teacher and she tells me everyday about students
enrolling in the school who cannot speak English and require
special ed. And while this has always been the case, the current
numbers are far larger than in the past and the multitude of
various different native languages is great and makes it even more
difficult to assist these students.

I'm sick of this shit and so are many others here in CA.
I pay 1000's into health insurance each year and even though I
rarely make claims, when I or my wife do it's always the same run
around with the insurance company trying to deny claims.
Yet people who climbed across the fence get it all for free, at
least in CA.
This is disgusting.
The system here in the US is not designed to handle millions of
illegal border jumpers that Biden welcomed into the country.

Wow. There's a lot to unpack in this stew of resentment,
misinformation, and outright dehumanization. Let's start with the
language: calling human beings "parasites" is not just vile -- it's
the kind of rhetoric used to justify cruelty, neglect, and worse. If
you're that comfortable dehumanizing kids and families trying to
survive, you might want to take a long look in the mirror before
ranting about "what's disgusting."

Some "people" DESERVE to be dehumanized.

Racists such as yourself are as close as I can think of.

You complain about California being a "welfare state" while ignoring
that it's also the fifth largest economy in the world -- in no small
part because of immigrant labor and a diverse population. The state
subsidizes many of the red states that love to bash it while cashing
the federal checks its economy helps fund.

Myth.

Nope.

California's economy:
"California is now the 4th largest economy in the world" - CA
Governor's office (Apr 23, 2025) https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/04/23/california-is-now-the-4th-largest-eco nomy-in-the-world

Doesn't matter what their economy is if they can't pay their bills.

"California’s total long-term debt, between the state and local
governments, has quietly surged to over half a trillion dollars, making it
the most indebted state in the nation. The state’s debt problem is largely due to rapid growth in unfunded liabilities for pension and health care retirement benefits already promised to public workers."

https://reason.org/commentary/californias-state-and-local-government-debt- is-over-500-billion/

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On 2025-07-04, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:

RonB <[email protected]> wrote:

This is the kind of insanity the idiot Left is reduced to these days. Any >>disagreement with their stupid agenda and you're a "hater," not worthy of >>life — something akin to sub-human cattle or "goyim" — as the Israelis refer
to the others like the Gazans.

With people like you who collect used laptops to put Mint on, but
can't read a peanut butter ingredient list for years, being on the
right, I dare say we should vote against what you believe.

The system was never intended to handle 12,000 migrants per day like
what happened under Joe Biden.

<https://nypost.com/2023/12/06/news/12000-migrants-cross-southern-border-in-a-single-day-tuesday-highest-total-ever-sources/>

As for people in the US supporting terrorist organizations like Hamas and so forth, these people
are at best useful idiots.

LBGTQ+ for Gaza?

You can't be serious.
A person like you Joel and your boyfriend wouldn't last a day in that
part of the world before you got tossed off of the roof of the tallest structure.
Do me a favor if you will, take snit along with you.
Make sure he talks a lot.
ROTFLMAO



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pothead

36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the *Snit (AKA Michael Glasser)*, this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004 <https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>

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On 2025-07-04, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:

pothead <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2025-07-04, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:

RonB <[email protected]> wrote:

This is the kind of insanity the idiot Left is reduced to these days. Any >>>>disagreement with their stupid agenda and you're a "hater," not worthy of >>>>life — something akin to sub-human cattle or "goyim" — as the Israelis refer
to the others like the Gazans.

With people like you who collect used laptops to put Mint on, but
can't read a peanut butter ingredient list for years, being on the
right, I dare say we should vote against what you believe.

The system was never intended to handle 12,000 migrants per day like
what happened under Joe Biden.

<https://nypost.com/2023/12/06/news/12000-migrants-cross-southern-border-in-a-single-day-tuesday-highest-total-ever-sources/>

As for people in the US supporting terrorist organizations like Hamas and so forth, these people
are at best useful idiots.

LBGTQ+ for Gaza?

You can't be serious.
A person like you Joel and your boyfriend wouldn't last a day in that
part of the world before you got tossed off of the roof of the tallest structure.
Do me a favor if you will, take snit along with you.
Make sure he talks a lot.
ROTFLMAO

Blah blah blah. You righttards come up with the most cockamamie
excuses for your hell-bound idiocy, I don't care what would happen to
me in Gaza because I'm more worried about both U.S. parties arming
Kikeland, to go to war with peasants, when it was kikes who started
the conflict. Or did you think 10/7 just came out of nowhere? I
thought you were so informed, heh, you're a fucktard.

Ahh, so you are an antisemite, Jew hater.
Does snit know this?
He's forever trying to accuse me of being one but I'm not.
Hey, he's your friend, not mine, so you might want to clue him in.

As for Middle East wars, they have been going on for centuries and will probably never be settled until the world comes to an end.
Hey, since you claim to be Jesus Christ, could you share that date
with the rest of us?

As for cockamamie excuses, it's a fact that radical Islam has no place for homosexuals, alcohol, etc. And radical Islam is in charge over there at the moment.
Sure, some offshoots of Islam tolerate homosexuality, transgenderism and such just
as some sects of Christianity accept the same.

I do not judge.
At some point you will meet your maker and then you can deal with that on your own.
For now, my advice is to not be a useful idiot and support terrorist organizations like
Hamas.
Oh and remember that the current regime was approved and elected by some 80% of the people
so they have only themselves to blame.

P.S. If you decide to take snit along on your trip to Gaza, I offer to pay his airfare.






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36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the *Snit (AKA Michael Glasser)*, this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004 <https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>

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On Fri, 04 Jul 2025 16:23:51 -0400, Joel <[email protected]> wrote in <[email protected]>:

pothead <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2025-07-04, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:

RonB <[email protected]> wrote:

This is the kind of insanity the idiot Left is reduced to these days. >>>>Any disagreement with their stupid agenda and you're a "hater," not >>>>worthy of life — something akin to sub-human cattle or "goyim" — as >>>>the Israelis refer to the others like the Gazans.

With people like you who collect used laptops to put Mint on, but
can't read a peanut butter ingredient list for years, being on the
right, I dare say we should vote against what you believe.

The system was never intended to handle 12,000 migrants per day like
what happened under Joe Biden.

<https://nypost.com/2023/12/06/news/12000-migrants-cross-southern-border- in-a-single-day-tuesday-highest-total-ever-sources/>

As for people in the US supporting terrorist organizations like Hamas
and so forth, these people are at best useful idiots.

LBGTQ+ for Gaza?

You can't be serious.
A person like you Joel and your boyfriend wouldn't last a day in that
part of the world before you got tossed off of the roof of the tallest >>structure.
Do me a favor if you will, take snit along with you.
Make sure he talks a lot.
ROTFLMAO

Blah blah blah. You righttards come up with the most cockamamie excuses
for your hell-bound idiocy, I don't care what would happen to me in Gaza because I'm more worried about both U.S. parties arming Kikeland, to go
to war with peasants, when it was kikes who started the conflict. Or
did you think 10/7 just came out of nowhere? I thought you were so
informed, heh, you're a fucktard.

I'm calling you out again, Joel. Using an ethnic slur to describe
Israel implies that criticism of the Israeli government is, somehow, "antisemitic". The ethnic slur is *uncalled for*.

Smart people know they aren't the same, and plenty of U.S. Jews are
disgusted with where zionism has gone.

And this has fsck-all to do with Linux in the first place.

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