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  • Anyone Know of Search Superior to Google?

    From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 12 19:03:20 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc

    I have tried the alternatives to Google search but they all
    come up with inferior results.

    In spite of its evil, grubbing nature, Google search results
    remain the best.

    Why, tell me why, cannot anyone else do better?


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  • From Chris Narkiewicz@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Thu Jun 12 20:08:53 2025
    Farley Flud <[email protected]> writes:
    I have tried the alternatives to Google search but they all
    come up with inferior results.

    Kagi is doing well, but it's paid. Google is serving me mostly GPT slop
    and adverts. I don't use Google for several years now as I simply cannot
    find anything useful.

    Search is splitting now into 2:
    1) free, serving you adverts
    2) paid

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  • From CtrlAltDel@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Thu Jun 12 20:10:54 2025
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 19:03:20 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

    I have tried the alternatives to Google search but they all come up with inferior results.

    In spite of its evil, grubbing nature, Google search results remain the
    best.

    Why, tell me why, cannot anyone else do better?

    Because your type refuse to give the other ones a fair shake and don't
    give them enough traffic for their algorithms to mature. Search engines
    like Brave can't just magically index pages when assholes like you don't
    give them keywords to stack or link analysis to analyze.

    Basically, it's your fault and people like you who are to blame. Even
    when a crusty droid like you visits a dork/nerd site based off a search,
    the obscure and stupid sites you visit are so dated and inconsequential
    that they have very few links into them from other sites.

    Forget about a search engine gaining any usable function from the amount
    of comments, likes, or shares a page receives when Farly Flud visits it
    because you likely have no friends, no social life other than Usenet, and
    don't have the required social skills needed to acquire friends and you
    don't visit those types of sites.

    The sites you may visit are most likely extremely outdated too, which
    doesn't help at all. Add in that probably only 10 people may visit the
    bizarre tech related sites you visit, in a year, and they have 1990's
    layouts and loading speeds, the search engines just give the fuck up.\

    It's you and people like you that cause the problems. Do better.


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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Joel on Thu Jun 12 23:56:21 2025
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 15:20:40 -0400, Joel wrote:

    % <[email protected]> wrote:
    Farley Flud wrote:

    I have tried the alternatives to Google search but they all come up
    with inferior results.

    In spite of its evil, grubbing nature, Google search results remain
    the best.

    Why, tell me why, cannot anyone else do better?

    edge


    That would be Bing, not the browser itself.

    https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources

    I believe them when they say they use other sources but in my experience
    the DuckDuckGo results look a lot like Bing. I use Brave which has
    switched to its own search engine. It has improved quite a bit but at
    times I do go to Google for a second opinion.

    A problem I have with all of them is getting past recent events. For
    example I was looking for a reference to an accident that killed a family
    of five maybe 15 years ago. The road in question has had a lot of fatal accidents so good luck getting past the last three or four years.

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  • From pH@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Fri Jun 13 05:15:51 2025
    On 2025-06-12, Farley Flud <[email protected]> wrote:
    I have tried the alternatives to Google search but they all
    come up with inferior results.

    In spite of its evil, grubbing nature, Google search results
    remain the best.

    Why, tell me why, cannot anyone else do better?



    Well, they are the 600 pound gorilla for a reason, I guess.

    But that said, I often use "yandex" (yandex.com) since it seems to find a
    lot of things that are often not-findable with gurgle.

    I typically use those two, yandex and google, sometimes startpage.

    pH

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jun 19 20:39:04 2025
    On Jun 12, 2025 at 3:14:41 PM EDT, "%" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Yahoo - A long-standing search engine that also provides news, email,
    and other services.

    Long-standing indeed. I have been using Yahoo since before Google existed.
    In fact, I have never used Google.

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to Matthew Camilleri on Fri Jun 20 11:42:52 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:20:21 +0200, Matthew Camilleri wrote:

    If anyone has the time to develop one, servers/power to crawl and storage space to store the indexed things, it can be done.

    Or, you can use SearXNG. It's a meta search engine so it pulls results from Google and others if you tell it to, like Bing.


    I've been trying some other sites and I have experienced another surprise.

    Google, unless I enter very specific search terms, does not list
    my personal web site. However, Bing and DuckDuckGo do list my web
    site even with much less specific terms, albeit on the second or third page.

    My personal web site is only about 2 years old and it should have been
    already well crawled by all the search engines. But Google's algorithms, AFAIK, are based on a ranking that depends on inter-site linking.
    IOW, the more that other sites link to a given web site the higher a
    listing it gets.

    I don't care too much about page ranking, but I do expect that the
    somewhat arcane information that my web site provides will be found
    if certain search results are requested, and with Google so far it
    is not.



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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Fri Jun 20 19:52:20 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 11:42:52 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

    I don't care too much about page ranking, but I do expect that the
    somewhat arcane information that my web site provides will be found if certain search results are requested, and with Google so far it is not.

    Are you familiar with SEO?

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Jun 20 20:40:18 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 20 Jun 2025 19:52:20 GMT, rbowman wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 11:42:52 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

    I don't care too much about page ranking, but I do expect that the
    somewhat arcane information that my web site provides will be found if
    certain search results are requested, and with Google so far it is not.

    Are you familiar with SEO?


    Non sequitur.

    To deal with Google's algorithm I would have to establish a series
    of dummy web pages that linked to my web page, and I understand that
    is what many sites actually do.

    But that is not the purpose of web search. A search for content "X"
    should return all web sites that deal with content "X" and not just
    the few that may have attained widespread linking.

    Apparently Google does not do this, although it seems that Bing
    and DuckDuckGo do (although this needs much more study).

    It all reduces to the basic conundrum: How are other sites going
    to ever link to my site if they can't even find it in the first
    place?

    There may also be another factor. Most independent web sites
    today are not actually "independent." Rather they are hosted
    by WordPress, GitHub, and other organizations that are directly
    linked to Google. In contrast, I finance my own site and I am
    not "owned" by anyone. Thus, in Google's eyes I may just be
    insignificant dust in the wind.

    But Google is still the main portal for search and may be
    forever. People will always converge on the perceived "winner"
    and ignore all else.



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  • From CtrlAltDel@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Sat Jun 21 09:28:16 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 20:40:18 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
    in Google's eyes I may just be insignificant dust in the wind.

    But Google is still the main portal for search and may be forever.
    People will always converge on the perceived "winner"
    and ignore all else.

    Or, just maybe, not that many people do web searches for an enema flush by Farley Flud, therefore your site is just not that important to Google.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 4 19:20:39 2025
    Le 12-06-2025, % <[email protected]> a écrit :
    Farley Flud wrote:
    I have tried the alternatives to Google search but they all
    come up with inferior results.

    In spite of its evil, grubbing nature, Google search results
    remain the best.

    Why, tell me why, cannot anyone else do better?


    [.../SNIP/...]
    Qwant - A European search engine that emphasizes user privacy and does
    not track searches.

    As a French, I obviously tried it, of course, but it's by far the worse
    of every search engine I ever tried. Half of the answers are just
    irrelevant. When I looked for videos to discover some songs, half of the answers were unrelated videos. Maybe it's better since the last time I
    tried it but I strongly doubt it.

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