• Pope Leo XIV says family is 'between a man and a woman' and asserts the

    From P. Coonan@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 20 03:32:00 2025
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    Pope Leo XIV says family is �between a man and a woman� and asserts the
    dignity of the unborn

    World May 16, 2025 12:22 PM EDT
    VATICAN CITY (AP) � Pope Leo XIV affirmed Friday that the family is
    founded on the �stable union between a man and a woman,� and that the
    unborn and elderly enjoy dignity as God�s creatures, articulating clear Catholic teaching on marriage and abortion at the start of his
    pontificate.

    Leo, the first American pope, also called for reviving multilateral
    diplomacy and promoting dialogue between religions in the search for
    peace, in his first meeting with the Vatican diplomatic corps. The
    audience was private, but the Vatican released Leo�s prepared text and
    that of the dean of the diplomatic corps.

    The encounter is one of the protocol requirements after a conclave,
    allowing a new pope to greet representatives of world governments ahead
    of his formal installation Mass this Sunday. The Holy See is a sovereign
    state under international law, has diplomatic relations with over 180
    countries and enjoys observer status at the United Nations.

    Leo, a member of the Augustinian religious order, has emphasized peace
    as a priority of his pontificate, from the first words he uttered on the
    loggia of St. Peter�s Basilica after his May 8 election, �Peace be with
    you all.�

    In his remarks, he said the search for peace was one of the pillars of
    the papacy. He insisted that peace isn�t just the absence of conflict
    but a �gift� that requires work, from an end to the production of
    weapons to choosing words carefully.

    �For words too, not only weapons, can wound and even kill.�

    He said it was up to governments to build peaceful societies �above all
    by investing in the family, founded upon the stable union between a man
    and a woman.�

    �In addition, no one is exempted from striving to ensure respect for the dignity of every person, especially the most frail and vulnerable, from
    the unborn to the elderly, from the sick to the unemployed, citizens and immigrants alike,� he said.

    Pope Francis strongly reaffirmed core Catholic teaching opposing
    abortion and euthanasia, saying they were evidence of today�s �throwaway culture.� But he also made reaching out to LGBTQ+ Catholics a hallmark, insisting they are welcome in the church. He never changed church
    doctrine defining marriage as a union between man and woman and
    homosexual acts as �intrinsically disordered.�

    As the then-head of the Augustinian order, the Rev. Robert Prevost in
    2012 criticized the �homosexual lifestyle� and the role of mass media in promoting acceptance of same-sex relationships that conflicted with
    Catholic doctrine. A decade later, during Francis� pontificate, he
    acknowledged Francis� call for a more inclusive church, and said he
    didn�t want people excluded just on the basis of their lifestyle.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-leo-xiv-says-family-is-between-a- man-and-a-woman-and-asserts-the-dignity-of-the-unborn

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  • From QQuack@21:1/5 to useapen on Tue May 20 11:16:02 2025
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    In <[email protected]> useapen wrote:

    Pope Leo XIV says family is ‘between a man and a woman’ and asserts the dignity of the unborn

    World May 16, 2025 12:22 PM EDT
    VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Leo XIV affirmed Friday that the family is
    founded on the “stable union between a man and a woman,” and that the unborn and elderly enjoy dignity as God’s creatures, articulating clear Catholic teaching on marriage and abortion at the start of his
    pontificate.

    Good for him.

    Leo, the first American pope, also called for reviving multilateral
    diplomacy and promoting dialogue between religions in the search for
    peace, in his first meeting with the Vatican diplomatic corps. The
    audience was private, but the Vatican released Leo’s prepared text and
    that of the dean of the diplomatic corps.

    The encounter is one of the protocol requirements after a conclave,
    allowing a new pope to greet representatives of world governments ahead
    of his formal installation Mass this Sunday. The Holy See is a sovereign state under international law, has diplomatic relations with over 180 countries and enjoys observer status at the United Nations.

    Leo, a member of the Augustinian religious order, has emphasized peace
    as a priority of his pontificate, from the first words he uttered on the loggia of St. Peter’s Basilica after his May 8 election, “Peace be with you all.”

    In his remarks, he said the search for peace was one of the pillars of
    the papacy. He insisted that peace isn’t just the absence of conflict
    but a “gift” that requires work, from an end to the production of
    weapons to choosing words carefully.

    “For words too, not only weapons, can wound and even kill.”

    He said it was up to governments to build peaceful societies “above all
    by investing in the family, founded upon the stable union between a man
    and a woman.“

    “In addition, no one is exempted from striving to ensure respect for the dignity of every person, especially the most frail and vulnerable, from
    the unborn to the elderly, from the sick to the unemployed, citizens and immigrants alike,” he said.

    Pope Francis strongly reaffirmed core Catholic teaching opposing
    abortion and euthanasia, saying they were evidence of today’s “throwaway culture.” But he also made reaching out to LGBTQ+ Catholics a hallmark, insisting they are welcome in the church. He never changed church
    doctrine defining marriage as a union between man and woman and
    homosexual acts as “intrinsically disordered.”

    This guy was a DEI idiot. No wonder he got his plug pulled so fast.

    As the then-head of the Augustinian order, the Rev. Robert Prevost in
    2012 criticized the “homosexual lifestyle” and the role of mass media in promoting acceptance of same-sex relationships that conflicted with
    Catholic doctrine. A decade later, during Francis’ pontificate, he acknowledged Francis’ call for a more inclusive church, and said he didn’t want people excluded just on the basis of their lifestyle.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-leo-xiv-says-family-is-between-a- man-and-a-woman-and-asserts-the-dignity-of-the-unborn

    It's time to repeal gay marriage anyway.

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  • From None@21:1/5 to Joel on Tue May 20 22:03:13 2025
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    On May 20, 2025, Joel wrote (Message-ID:<[email protected]>):


    QQuack <[email protected]> wrote:

    It's time to repeal gay marriage anyway.

    You say that like it's that simple, or reasonable, you're a nut. Any
    two people should be allowed to marry, period. It encourages
    commitment and monogamy, it gives rights and privileges that are
    warranted if we're to give them to opposite-sex couples, fair is fair.
    Don't pretend that there's some interest in restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples, that's homophobia, stupidity, discredited. Don't
    mark yourself as a loser.

    You chose to define yourself as an ungodly person.

    Gods Word is opposed to the effeminate man, as well as the homosexual man or woman. And as such, those people are defiling the creatures that God designed and created, and created to reproduce after its own kind.

    Homosexuals reproduce “0” after its own kind. Clue?

    Joel W. Crump

    Amendment XIV Section 1.

    [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

    Define

    ’Needed Abortions"

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  • From None@21:1/5 to Joel on Wed May 21 11:18:14 2025
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    On May 21, 2025, Joel wrote (Message-ID:<[email protected]>):

    None <[email protected]> wrote:
    On May 20, 2025, Joel wrote (Message-ID:<[email protected]>):
    QQuack <[email protected]> wrote:

    It's time to repeal gay marriage anyway.

    You say that like it's that simple, or reasonable, you're a nut. Any
    two people should be allowed to marry, period. It encourages
    commitment and monogamy, it gives rights and privileges that are warranted if we're to give them to opposite-sex couples, fair is fair. Don't pretend that there's some interest in restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples, that's homophobia, stupidity, discredited. Don't mark yourself as a loser.

    You chose to define yourself as an ungodly person.

    Gods Word is opposed to the effeminate man, as well as the homosexual man or
    woman. And as such, those people are defiling the creatures that God designed
    and created, and created to reproduce after its own kind.

    Homosexuals reproduce “0” after its own kind. Clue?

    You say "God's word" but yet that's merely a misnomer for "the Bible",
    i.e. the apostle Paul, not Yahweh, not Christ. "Clue"?

    It is not a misnomer in the slightest. While the hands that wrote the scriptures were the hands of men, the words thereof were given by the Spirit
    of God, who repeated what the Heavenly Father spoke, directly to man. Even Yeshau / Jesus the Messiah/ Christ said that repeatedly. He who is the Son of the Most High God


    Amendment XIV Section 1.

    [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process
    of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection
    of the laws.

    Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying
    needed abortions, e.g. TX.

    Define

    ’Needed Abortions"

    Well, you see there I wrote "e.g. TX [the U.S. state of Texas]", that
    would refer to the case of Kate Cox, who had to travel out of Texas to
    get her needed abortion. You apparently would've had her to suffer
    further, it was a repugnant situation thanks to the officials in
    Texas, treating her body like state property. That's where liability
    comes in, you see.

    No, I do not see. Just what was her “Need” to have an abortion? You did
    not mention that, and just what was her ’suffering’ that you claim?

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  • From Tucson@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 21 20:03:42 2025
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    On 21 May 2025, Joel <[email protected]> posted some news:[email protected]:

    None <[email protected]> wrote:
    On May 21, 2025, Joel wrote >>(Message-ID:<[email protected]>):
    None <[email protected]> wrote:
    On May 20, 2025, Joel wrote
    (Message-ID:<[email protected]>):
    QQuack <[email protected]> wrote:

    It's time to repeal gay marriage anyway.

    You say that like it's that simple, or reasonable, you're a nut.
    Any two people should be allowed to marry, period. It encourages
    commitment and monogamy, it gives rights and privileges that are
    warranted if we're to give them to opposite-sex couples, fair is
    fair. Don't pretend that there's some interest in restricting
    marriage to opposite-sex couples, that's homophobia, stupidity,
    discredited. Don't mark yourself as a loser.

    You chose to define yourself as an ungodly person.

    Gods Word is opposed to the effeminate man, as well as the
    homosexual man or woman. And as such, those people are defiling
    the creatures that God designed
    and created, and created to reproduce after its own kind.

    Homosexuals reproduce “0” after its own kind. Clue?

    You say "God's word" but yet that's merely a misnomer for "the
    Bible", i.e. the apostle Paul, not Yahweh, not Christ. "Clue"?

    It is not a misnomer in the slightest. While the hands that wrote the >>scriptures were the hands of men, the words thereof were given by the >>Spirit of God, who repeated what the Heavenly Father spoke, directly
    to man. Even Yeshau / Jesus the Messiah/ Christ said that repeatedly.
    He who is the Son of the Most High God


    God allowed Paul to err, for some reason. I'm not stuck on that error
    2000 years later. I'm aware of the egalitarian ideal, that reflects
    what Jesus really taught. He did say he hadn't come to end the Judaic
    law, it's true - that isn't an endorsement of it, though.

    Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, men don't lay with men, abomination. Why
    insult those for whom marriage actually has meaning? It most certainly
    doesn't for queers.

    Amendment XIV Section 1.

    [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
    the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
    nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
    property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person
    within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable
    for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

    Define

    ’Needed Abortions"

    Well, you see there I wrote "e.g. TX [the U.S. state of Texas]",
    that would refer to the case of Kate Cox, who had to travel out of
    Texas to get her needed abortion. You apparently would've had her to
    suffer further, it was a repugnant situation thanks to the officials
    in Texas, treating her body like state property. That's where
    liability comes in, you see.

    No, I do not see. Just what was her “Need” to have an abortion? >>You did not mention that, and just what was her ’suffering’ that
    you claim?


    She could have lost her fertility permanently, all to bear a child
    that was going to die shortly after birth anyway. These antiabortion
    retards need to get the first clue. Abortion is health care,
    *particularly* in a case like that. Hence Texas' liability for
    damages.

    Abortion is population control for blacks, hispanics and other unwanted
    ethnic groups. Include white whores who can't keep their legs closed.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to Tucson on Wed May 21 16:52:41 2025
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    Tucson wrote:
    On 21 May 2025, Joel <[email protected]> posted some news:[email protected]:

    None <[email protected]> wrote:
    On May 21, 2025, Joel wrote
    (Message-ID:<[email protected]>):
    None <[email protected]> wrote:
    On May 20, 2025, Joel wrote
    (Message-ID:<[email protected]>):
    QQuack <[email protected]> wrote:

    It's time to repeal gay marriage anyway.

    You say that like it's that simple, or reasonable, you're a nut.
    Any two people should be allowed to marry, period. It encourages
    commitment and monogamy, it gives rights and privileges that are
    warranted if we're to give them to opposite-sex couples, fair is
    fair. Don't pretend that there's some interest in restricting
    marriage to opposite-sex couples, that's homophobia, stupidity,
    discredited. Don't mark yourself as a loser.

    You chose to define yourself as an ungodly person.

    Gods Word is opposed to the effeminate man, as well as the
    homosexual man or woman. And as such, those people are defiling
    the creatures that God designed
    and created, and created to reproduce after its own kind.

    Homosexuals reproduce “0” after its own kind. Clue?

    You say "God's word" but yet that's merely a misnomer for "the
    Bible", i.e. the apostle Paul, not Yahweh, not Christ. "Clue"?

    It is not a misnomer in the slightest. While the hands that wrote the
    scriptures were the hands of men, the words thereof were given by the
    Spirit of God, who repeated what the Heavenly Father spoke, directly
    to man. Even Yeshau / Jesus the Messiah/ Christ said that repeatedly.
    He who is the Son of the Most High God


    God allowed Paul to err, for some reason. I'm not stuck on that error
    2000 years later. I'm aware of the egalitarian ideal, that reflects
    what Jesus really taught. He did say he hadn't come to end the Judaic
    law, it's true - that isn't an endorsement of it, though.

    Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, men don't lay with men, abomination. Why
    insult those for whom marriage actually has meaning? It most certainly doesn't for queers.

    Amendment XIV Section 1.

    [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
    the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
    nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
    property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person
    within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable
    for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

    Define

    ’Needed Abortions"

    Well, you see there I wrote "e.g. TX [the U.S. state of Texas]",
    that would refer to the case of Kate Cox, who had to travel out of
    Texas to get her needed abortion. You apparently would've had her to
    suffer further, it was a repugnant situation thanks to the officials
    in Texas, treating her body like state property. That's where
    liability comes in, you see.

    No, I do not see. Just what was her “Need” to have an abortion? >>> You did not mention that, and just what was her ’suffering’ that
    you claim?


    She could have lost her fertility permanently, all to bear a child
    that was going to die shortly after birth anyway. These antiabortion
    retards need to get the first clue. Abortion is health care,
    *particularly* in a case like that. Hence Texas' liability for
    damages.

    Abortion is population control for blacks, hispanics and other unwanted ethnic groups. Include white whores who can't keep their legs closed.


    https://postimg.cc/dDkGnspM

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  • From None@21:1/5 to Joel on Fri May 23 00:31:13 2025
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    On May 21, 2025, Joel wrote (Message-ID:<[email protected]>):

    None <[email protected]> wrote:
    On May 21, 2025, Joel wrote (Message-ID:<[email protected]>):
    None <[email protected]> wrote:
    On May 20, 2025, Joel wrote (Message-ID:<[email protected]>):
    QQuack <[email protected]> wrote:

    It's time to repeal gay marriage anyway.

    You say that like it's that simple, or reasonable, you're a nut. Any two people should be allowed to marry, period. It encourages commitment and monogamy, it gives rights and privileges that are warranted if we're to give them to opposite-sex couples, fair is fair.
    Don't pretend that there's some interest in restricting marriage to opposite-sex couples, that's homophobia, stupidity, discredited. Don't
    mark yourself as a loser.

    You chose to define yourself as an ungodly person.

    Gods Word is opposed to the effeminate man, as well as the homosexual man
    or
    woman. And as such, those people are defiling the creatures that God designed
    and created, and created to reproduce after its own kind.

    Homosexuals reproduce “0” after its own kind. Clue?

    You say "God's word" but yet that's merely a misnomer for "the Bible", i.e. the apostle Paul, not Yahweh, not Christ. "Clue"?

    It is not a misnomer in the slightest. While the hands that wrote the scriptures were the hands of men, the words thereof were given by the Spirit
    of God, who repeated what the Heavenly Father spoke, directly to man. Even Yeshau / Jesus the Messiah/ Christ said that repeatedly. He who is the Son of
    the Most High God

    God allowed Paul to err, for some reason. I'm not stuck on that error
    2000 years later. I'm aware of the egalitarian ideal, that reflects
    what Jesus really taught. He did say he hadn't come to end the Judaic
    law, it's true - that isn't an endorsement of it, though.

    Jesus cane to fulfill the caw covenant, all of it. Not to erase it but to
    give all men a better path.

    That said, I still don’t know what your idea was about Paul, are you
    speaking of him as he lived by the name of Saul, or when he was Calle Paul?


    Amendment XIV Section 1.

    [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any
    state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
    protection of the laws.

    Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

    Define

    ’Needed Abortions"

    Well, you see there I wrote "e.g. TX [the U.S. state of Texas]", that would refer to the case of Kate Cox, who had to travel out of Texas to get her needed abortion. You apparently would've had her to suffer further, it was a repugnant situation thanks to the officials in
    Texas, treating her body like state property. That's where liability comes in, you see.

    No, I do not see. Just what was her “Need” to have an abortion? You did not mention that, and just what was her ’suffering’ that you claim?

    She could have lost her fertility permanently, all to bear a child
    that was going to die shortly after birth anyway. These antiabortion
    retards need to get the first clue. Abortion is health care,
    *particularly* in a case like that. Hence Texas' liability for
    damages.

    I still do not see her need, How do you know the baby would die? And if
    bearing a child were to cause her to be infertile then any pregnancy would do the same thing. Show a link to the person you speak of so we can see.

    Also, the cards are those that fight for abortion rights for any
    circumstance. No one or at least very, very few denied an abortion to save
    the mother’s life, physically. So your point is irrational. Plus, what is
    the matter if each state can choose or make their own laws regulating it?

    Did you know that the original reason people fought for ‘free abortions’ was to reduce the black woman from having too many babies, and that the women behind that scheme were feminists? I am speaking of here in the USA.

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  • From Pick Jones@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 24 00:05:58 2025
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    Raping children is for all Christian religions.

    As with Trump, boys are favored.



    Southern Baptists Refused to Act on Abuse, Despite Secret List of Pastors

    Investigation: SBC Executive Committee staff saw advocates' cries for
    help
    as a distraction from evangelism and a legal liability, stonewalling
    their
    reports and resisting calls for reform.

    Armed with a secret list of more than 700 abusive pastors, Southern
    Baptist leaders chose to protect the denomination from lawsuits rather
    than protect the people in their churches from further abuse.

    Survivors, advocates, and some Southern Baptists themselves spent more
    than 15 years calling for ways to keep sexual predators from moving
    quietly from one flock to another. The men who controlled the Executive Committee (EC)-which runs day-to-day operations of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC)-knew the scope of the problem. But, working closely with
    their lawyers, they maligned the people who wanted to do something about
    abuse and repeatedly rejected pleas for help and reform.

    "Behind the curtain, the lawyers were advising to say nothing and do
    nothing, even when the callers were identifying predators still in SBC pulpits," according to a massive third-party investigative report
    released
    Sunday.

    The investigation centers responsibility on members of the EC staff and
    their attorneys and says the hundreds of elected EC trustees were largely
    kept in the dark. EC general counsel Augie Boto and longtime attorney Jim Guenther advised the past three EC presidents-Ronnie Floyd, Frank Page,
    and Morris Chapman-that taking action on abuse would pose a risk to SBC liability and polity, leading the presidents to challenge proposed abuse reforms.

    As renewed calls for action emerged with the #ChurchToo and #SBCToo
    movements, Boto referred to advocacy for abuse survivors as "a satanic
    scheme to completely distract us from evangelism."

    Survivors, in turn, described the soul-crushing effects of not only their abuse, but the stonewalling, insulting responses from leaders at the EC
    for 15-plus years.

    Christa Brown, a longtime advocate who experienced sexual abuse by her
    pastor at 16, said her "countless encounters with Baptist leaders" who
    shunned and disbelieved her "left a legacy of hate" and communicated "you
    are a creature void of any value-you don't matter." As a result, she
    said,
    instead of her faith providing solace, her faith has become
    "neurologically networked with a nightmare." She referred to it as "soul murder."

    Another victim, Debbie Vasquez, was repeatedly sexually assaulted by an
    SBC pastor starting at the age of 14. When one assault led to her
    pregnancy, she was forced to apologize in front of the church but
    forbidden to mention the father. The pastor went on to serve at another Southern Baptist church, and when Vasquez reached out to the EC, her
    entreaties were ignored and evaded for years until a Houston Chronicle investigation three years ago.

    Over the past 20 years, meanwhile, a string of SBC presidents failed to appropriately respond to abuse in their own churches and seminaries. In
    several instances, leaders sided with individuals and churches that had
    been credibly accused of abuse or cover-up. One former president-pastor
    Johnny Hunt-sexually assaulted another pastor's wife in 2010,
    investigators found. This Is the Southern Baptist Apocalypse
    Public Theology
    This Is the Southern Baptist Apocalypse
    The abuse investigation has uncovered more evil than even I imagined.
    Russell Moore

    At the annual meeting in Anaheim, California, next month, one year after
    they voted to launch the investigation, thousands of Southern Baptists
    will decide if they are ready to make the dramatic and costly changes the report recommends for the sake of survivors and church safety.

    "Amid my grief, anger, and disappointment over the grave sin and failures
    this report lays bare, I earnestly believe that Southern Baptists must
    resolve to change our culture and implement desperately needed reforms,"
    said SBC president Ed Litton in a statement to CT. "The time is now. We
    have so much to lament, but genuine grief requires a godly response."

    Guidepost Solutions, the third-party investigative firm, wants the 13.7-million-member denomination to create an online database of abusers,
    offer compensation for survivors, sharply limit non-disclosure
    agreements,
    and establish a new entity dedicated to responding to abuse. The
    directives in the 288-page report will sound familiar to survivors and advocates, who have been calling for those measures all along.

    "How many kids and congregants could have been spared horrific harm if
    only the Executive Committee had taken action back in 2006 when I first
    wrote to them, urging specific concrete steps? And how many survivors
    could have been spared the re-traumatizing hell of trying to report
    clergy
    sex abuse into a system that consistently turns its back?" asked Brown in
    a 2021 letter. "The SBC Executive Committee's longstanding resistance to
    abuse reforms has now yielded a whole new crop of clergy sex abuse
    victims
    and of survivors re-traumatized in their efforts to report."

    As they anticipated the release of the report, current interim EC
    president Willie McLaurin and EC chairman Rolland Slade quoted
    Ecclesiastes: "God will bring every act to judgment, including every
    hidden thing, whether good or evil" (12:14, CSB).

    The current leaders urged Southern Baptists to be receptive to the bad
    news.

    "This is a time and season to search out our shortcomings, a time to
    embrace the findings of the report," they wrote last week, "a time to
    rebuild the trust of Southern Baptists and a time to heal by meeting the challenges required with the necessary changes expected." Largest
    investigation in SBC history

    The report represents a $2 million undertaking, involving 330 interviews
    and five terabytes of documents collected over eight months. The EC also committed another $2 million toward legal costs around the
    investigation-making it a total investment of $4 million, funded by
    churches and conventions giving to the Cooperative Program.

    Advocate Rachael Denhollander, who advised the SBC task force that
    coordinated the investigation, tweeted that "the level of transparency is
    . unparalleled." It's the largest investigation in SBC history; it's
    already changed the makeup of the EC and stands to determine the
    trajectory of the 177-year-old denomination.

    The Guidepost inquiry included privileged legal communications on abuse
    over the past 20 years, a provision that led EC president Ronnie Floyd to resign in October and the law firm of Guenther, Jordan & Price to
    withdraw
    their services after 60 years. Southern Baptists Agree to Open Up to
    Abuse
    Investigation News
    Southern Baptists Agree to Open Up to Abuse Investigation
    Executive Committee decision comes after weeks of heated debate and
    division. Kate Shellnutt

    According to the report, the law firm actively advised the EC against
    taking responsibility for abuse. Guenther worked alongside Boto, an
    attorney who was involved in the EC from the 1990s to 2019, serving as a trustee, vice president, general counsel, and interim president. He was
    an
    ally of Paige Patterson during the Conservative Resurgence. (Last year,
    Boto was barred from holding any positions with Southern Baptist entities
    as a result of a legal settlement involving financial moves after
    Patterson was fired from an SBC seminary over mishandling a rape
    allegation.)

    Boto and Guenther turned every discussion of abuse to a discussion of protecting the EC from legal liability, making that the highest priority,
    the report said.

    "When abuse allegations were brought to the EC, including allegations
    that
    convicted sex offenders were still in ministry, EC leaders generally did
    not discuss this information outside of their inner circle, often did not respond to the survivor, and took no action to address these allegations
    so as to prevent ongoing abuse or such abuse in the future," the report
    said. "Almost always the internal focus was on protecting the SBC from
    legal liability and not on caring for survivors or creating any plan to
    prevent sexual abuse within SBC churches."

    The Southern Baptist Convention proudly says it's a group of autonomous churches. They join together for mission work, fellowship, and training,
    but the convention has no hierarchy. It doesn't ordain or appoint
    pastors,
    nor does it hold authority over the 47,000 churches that have chosen to
    affirm its faith statements and give to its Cooperative Program.

    That lack of oversight means that when something goes wrong at an SBC
    church or entity, the EC can claim it's not to blame; the churches are independent. The legal counsel argued that the more denominational
    leaders
    directed churches to deal with abuse, the more it would assume liability
    for mistakes and mishandling.

    Back in 2000, the report said, Patterson saw abuse prevention training as
    a way to defend against lawsuits, telling a pastor that churches that
    could document "some effort to educate those who worked among children as
    to how to watch for and respond to dangers" wouldn't have litigation
    against them move forward.

    As president at Southeastern and Southwestern seminaries, Patterson
    discouraged two women who shared rape allegations from reporting them. He
    was fired from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in 2018 over his response and has been sued, along with the seminary, by the female
    student
    from Southwestern.

    Patterson's associate Paul Pressler, an attorney and leader during the Conservative Resurgence, also faces litigation over claims that he used
    his power to abuse young boys, and the SBC itself is named in the suit. (Neither Patterson nor Pressler, a former executive VP of the SBC and
    former EC member, agreed to be interviewed for the investigation, though Patterson's lawyers submitted a two-page document.)

    Patterson and fellow former SBC president Jerry Vines have come under
    scrutiny for their previous support of Darrell Gilyard, a pastor with a
    string of sexual misconduct allegations dating back to the '90s. The
    report quotes an EC member who in an email said 44 women came to the two
    SBC leaders about Gilyard, "and in almost every instance, they were
    reportedly shamed for it and left feeling like they were not believed.
    From all published accounts, it seems Gilyard moved from church to church
    and left ruined lives in his wake."

    EC attorneys Guenther and Boto discussed the idea of a database of
    abusers
    as early as 2004, in response to Brown. The subject came up again in
    2007,
    after a motion at the annual meeting. The EC staff did not move forward
    with the idea at the time. Guenther wrote in an email that he worried
    "about a duty to warn a court might think was owed by the SBC."

    And yet, with the help of spokesman and vice president Roger "Sing"
    Oldham
    and an unnamed EC staff member, they did keep a list. At Boto's request,
    the report said, the staffer collected news clippings and tracked abusive pastors in a table with name, year, state, and denomination. The first
    version, in 2007, included 66 people arrested or sued over abuse. By
    2022,
    the list grew to include 703, with 409 believed to belong to
    SBC-affiliated churches.

    A watershed 2019 Houston Chronicle series, which spurred new attention
    around abuse response and prevention, uncovered 380 SBC-affiliated
    pastors
    accused of sexual abuse.

    Even as the secret list of abusive ministers grew, however, the EC
    leaders
    focused their criticism on survivors and advocates. They complained the survivors didn't understand the polity of the SBC and were out to get the denomination. Patterson called the advocacy group SNAP (Survivors Network
    of those Abused by Priests) "just as reprehensible as sex criminals." An
    EC member said Brown, who ran StopBaptistPredators.org, where she
    featured
    survivor stories and posted public reports on abusive ministers, was a
    "person of no integrity."

    Boto saw the Devil at work in their efforts. In an email obtained by
    Guidepost, he wrote:

    This whole thing should be seen for what it is. It is a satanic
    scheme
    to completely distract us from evangelism. It is not the gospel. It
    is
    not even a part of the gospel. It is a misdirection play. Yes,
    Christa
    Brown and Rachael Denhollander have succumbed to an availability
    heuristic because of their victimizations. They have gone to the SBC
    looking for sexual abuse, and of course, they found it. Their
    outcries
    have certainly caused an availability cascade. . But they are not to
    blame. This is the devil being temporarily successful.

    According to an unnamed EC staff member, "in nearly every instance in the
    past when victims have come to those in power in the SBC, they have been shunned, shamed, and vilified. At the EC, we have inherited a culture of rejecting those who question power or who accuse leaders."

    Key Southern Baptist leaders didn't just disbelieve and insult survivors, though. In some cases, they aligned themselves with convicted or
    confessed
    perpetrators and helped them personally.

    The report includes several examples:

    Mike Stone, the former chair of the EC and a candidate in the 2021
    race for SBC president, helped craft an apology for a pastor friend
    of
    his after the pastor was found to have been exchanging explicit text
    messages with a member of his congregation in 2019. Stone stated that
    he has "never and would never knowingly support a church retaining a
    pastor in sexual misconduct" and that he hadn't heard about the
    allegations against the pastor until asked about them during the
    Guidepost investigation. Augie Boto testified as a character witness
    for Nashville gymnastics coach Marc Schiefelbein who had been
    convicted in 2003 of molesting a 10-year-old girl. Jack Graham, SBC
    president from 2002 to 2004, didn't report a music minister who was
    fired in 1989 after Prestonwood Baptist Church learned he molested a
    child. The minister went on to another church and was convicted for
    his crimes at Prestonwood more than 20 years later. The church
    "categorically denies the way the report characterizes the incident
    33
    years ago," current executive pastor Mike Buster said in a statement.
    "Prestonwood has never protected or supported abusers, in 1989 or
    since." Steve Gaines, SBC president from 2016 to 2018, knew that a
    minister on staff at his church, Bellevue Baptist, had previously
    abused a child but didn't disclose it until it came up on a blog.

    The investigative report also found instances where EC leaders themselves crossed moral lines:

    Frank Page, the president of the EC, resigned suddenly in March 2018.
    An official statement said the resignation was due to a "morally
    inappropriate relationship." The EC did not investigate whether it
    was
    consensual, nor did they look into "if his conduct carried over into
    the workplace." Johnny Hunt, SBC president from 2008 to 2010, groped
    and kissed the wife of a younger pastor a month after his
    presidential
    term ended and told the couple to keep it secret.

    Hunt's sexual assault had not been previously reported. The woman and her husband, an SBC pastor, came forward during the investigation to share
    with Guidepost what happened. Hunt, former pastor of First Baptist Church Woodstock in Georgia, had been a senior VP at the SBC's North American
    Mission Board before resigning May 13. Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary has a chair position named in his honor.

    By the couple's account, they are 24 years younger than Hunt, who offered
    to assist them with their ministry. At one point he arranged a place for
    the woman to stay during a visit to Panama City Beach, where Hunt was
    spending his sabbatical. He then entered the condo unit where the woman
    was alone and sexually assaulted her, pulling down her clothes, pinning
    her on the couch, groping her, and kissing her.

    After the July 2010 incident, the couple met with Hunt at his church. He
    warned that if they said anything it would "negatively impact the over
    40,000 churches Dr. Hunt represented" and referred them to counselor Roy Blankenship of HopeQuest Ministry Group. Blankenship confirmed something happened between the wife and Hunt and told investigators Hunt should
    have
    been the one to stop it, but "it takes two to tango."

    In an interview with Guidepost, Hunt denied assaulting the woman and said
    he never even entered her condo. The Guidepost investigators found three additional witnesses to corroborate parts of the woman and her husband's account. They did not find Hunt's statements credible.

    Hunt has previously been associated with apologist Ravi Zacharias and was
    a special guest at the 2009 grand opening of the spa where Zacharias
    abused massage therapists. Last year, Hunt decried Zacharias's abuse, describing it as "sin . against so many innocent women." Messengers
    supported reforms

    Following the #MeToo movement, SBC survivors drew major attention from
    the
    news media.

    In 2018, Jules Woodson, who was sexually assaulted by her youth pastor,
    told The New York Times what it was like to see a church applaud him
    after
    he vaguely confessed to "a sexual incident." That same year, Megan Lively
    told The Washington Post how Paige Patterson had told her not to report
    her rape to police. In 2019, the Chronicle investigation profiled more survivors.

    As a result, Southern Baptists spoke out and took action. The messengers
    at the annual meetings adopted resolutions affirming women's dignity and condemning abuse. They voted to amend their bylaws to explicitly name
    abuse as grounds for dismissal from the SBC. They tasked a committee with making recommendations if a church was in violation. SBC President: We
    Failed to Heed Victims' Voices News
    SBC President: We Failed to Heed Victims' Voices
    At the recent Caring Well conference, J. D. Greear said the denomination mistakenly saw abuse claims as "attacks from adversaries instead of
    warnings from friends." Abby Perry in Grapevine, Texas

    In 2018, they also elected a president who made responding to abuse a
    central part of his agenda. Under J. D. Greear, the SBC introduced
    training around preventing and responding to abuse, the Caring Well
    Initiative, and held conferences to hear from survivors, experts, and
    pastors.

    But according to the Guidepost report, almost all of these efforts were
    met with criticism and resistance by certain EC leaders, who said that prioritizing the issue of abuse could lead to lawsuits.

    Sometimes, the divide was clear from the outside: Greear as SBC president referenced abuse 81 times during his address at the annual meeting, while
    Floyd as EC president didn't mention it as a priority in his Vision 2025
    plan.

    Behind the scenes, the Guidepost report shows, the EC legal counsel
    advised people to downplay the issue. They pressured the Ethics &
    Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC) not to refer to sexual abuse in the
    SBC as a crisis and avoid "inflammatory language" like saying the
    denomination had failed survivors. EC members tried to censor criticism
    of
    the SBC's handling of abuse and decried any efforts to allow survivors
    and
    abuse experts to speak at SBC events.

    "Guys, this is really not good at all," Floyd wrote in one email obtained
    by investigators. "We cannot have SBC entities placing people on
    platforms
    calling out the matters about how the SBC and some of its leaders and
    former leaders [sic]. All the work on unity is getting challenged."

    These intra-SBC clashes and threats became public a year ago in leaked
    letters and recordings capturing communication from former ERLC leaders
    Russell Moore (now a theologian in residence for CT) and Philip
    Bethancourt. The documents were a wakeup call to pastors, suggesting
    efforts by EC leaders to intimidate survivors and resist reform. They
    spurred demands for an investigation into the EC.

    "We were shocked," Grant Gaines, a Tennessee pastor who made the motion
    to
    investigate the EC, told CT last year. "We shouldn't have been. These survivors, their stories are out there." Southern Baptists Take Sides
    Ahead of Nashville Meeting News
    Southern Baptists Take Sides Ahead of Nashville Meeting
    A recent call to investigate the Executive Committee over abuse responses
    is the latest issue up for debate. Opposing factions in the SBC both say
    its future is at stake. Kate Shellnutt

    One story that has played out in the public eye is Jennifer Lyell's. She
    was abused by a seminary professor, but a March 2019 article in Baptist
    Press, which is run by the EC, characterized her abuse as an affair. At
    the time of publication, Lyell was a Lifeway executive and the
    highest-ranking woman in the SBC. The validity of her account was backed
    by Southern Seminary president Al Mohler.

    Lyell ended up leaving her job and suffering physical and mental distress
    as a result of the backlash as well as the months-long saga to get the
    story corrected and seek restitution.

    In a Twitter thread after the report release, Lyell described having to
    wait out the tensions between the EC, which controlled the correction to
    the article about her and was on alert at the time for how other SBC
    figures talked about abuse, and leaders at other entities, who stood by
    her story but could have faced retaliation for speaking up.

    She received an apology from the EC in February 2022 and an undisclosed settlement. EC trustees, Guidepost said, weren't aware that she had
    pursued defamation claims and had previously received a settlement in May
    2020 as well.

    Hannah Kate Williams also sued the EC for negligence in responding to
    abuse by her father, who was employed at SBC entities, as well as for
    alleged efforts to malign her as she went public with her case.

    EC attorneys criticized Greear for repeating the names of 10 churches
    that
    were reported in the Houston Chronicle investigation for employing
    abusive
    pastors and asking an EC subcommittee to look into them. Guenther said
    they were going to be sued for libel and worked to clear the churches'
    names. Boto called one to apologize.

    Months later, Boto opposed the creation of the credentials committee,
    which would look at whether a church has violated criteria around abuse
    or
    other issues that would make it "no longer in friendly cooperation" with
    the SBC. Southern Baptists Expel Two More Churches Over Abuse
    News
    Southern Baptists Expel Two More Churches Over Abuse
    Top leaders address divides in the denomination at the first in-person Executive Committee meeting in a year. Kate Shellnutt

    The credentials committee, which was reconfigured for this new purpose in
    2019, frustrated survivors too because it was confusing and inefficient, Guidepost said. It had no written guidelines, no training, and no
    full-time staff for support.

    Because of the limited scope it was authorized, based on SBC polity, it
    wasn't able to address churches' missteps in the past, nor could it do investigations to determine a pastor's guilt or innocence, just the
    church's response. As a result, it took an average of nine months to hear
    a decision-and some never heard back at all. Some submissions didn't make
    it through the clumsy website the committee required for challenging a
    church's membership.

    In the past three years, the committee processed 30 submissions and disfellowshipped just 3 churches over abuse. In each case, the offense
    was
    obvious and egregious: The church had knowingly employed a sex offender.
    The committee didn't make any public comment on the results of the other
    27 submissions tallied by the recent report. The Guidepost investigators
    found that five churches voluntarily resigned and another dissolved
    during
    the credential committee's review. New entity and other recommendations

    The task force that oversaw and released the EC investigation sees public lament as a first step in responding to the investigation. They've also
    asked that Southern Baptists vote to establish a new task force that can evaluate how to implement the recommended changes in accordance with
    Baptist polity.

    The report offers 30 pages of recommendations for the EC and the
    credentials committee, including:

    Creating a permanent entity to oversee sexual abuse response and
    prevention Launching an "offender information system," an online
    database churches can voluntarily participate in to report
    substantiated abuse or coverup Publishing a list of disfellowshipped
    churches and individuals whose ordinations or degrees were revoked
    Facilitating programs to assist survivors and provide compensation
    from SBC giving to cover medical and psychological help Issuing an
    apology to survivors and erecting a memorial, adding a Survivor
    Sunday
    to the SBC calendar Prohibiting nondisclosure agreements, except when
    requested by victims Requiring a code of conduct for entity
    employment
    or attending a seminary Hiring a chief compliance officer or ethics
    and compliance officer to EC staff

    "We must resolve to give of our time and resources to not only care well
    for survivors of sexual abuse, but to provide a culture of
    accountability,
    transparency, and safety as we move forward," the task force said in a statement released with the report.

    "We acknowledge that any act of repentance requires ongoing, deliberate, dedicated obedience and sacrifice. This is the calling of our Savior to
    unite as a body in following after him."

    Christa Brown, the abuse survivor and advocate, said in her submission to Guidepost that she had not held out hope for meaningful change, but still prayed that the report "may bring forth a small measure of justice."

    "The Southern Baptist Convention has a moral obligation to protect the
    lives, bodies and humanity of kids and congregants in its affiliated
    churches, to provide care and validation for ALL who have been sexually
    abused by Southern Baptist clergy," she wrote, "to ensure accountability
    for abusers and enablers, and to create systems that will ensure these
    inhumane and unconscionable travesties do not persist into future
    generations."

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