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  • Is Microsoft Trying To Revive ReFS?

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 27 22:20:00 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Seems Microsoft is bringing back the option for ordinary Windows users
    to format volumes as ReFS <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/new-advanced-filesystem-format-option-found-in-windows-11-preview-build-refs-supports-up-to-35-petabytes>.

    This filesystem made its first appearance years ago, but then
    Microsoft began removing the option for using it from various non-“Enterprise” versions of Windows where it had been introduced.

    NTFS is certainly showing its age. But it’s not clear that ReFS is
    really enough to take Windows forward. It seems a bit lacklustre
    compared to the options that have long been available on Linux, for
    example.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Mar 27 22:26:38 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:20:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <[email protected]d> wrote in <vs4iug$186dc$[email protected]>:

    Seems Microsoft is bringing back the option for ordinary Windows users
    to format volumes as ReFS <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/new-advanced-filesystem-
    format-option-found-in-windows-11-preview-build-refs-supports-up-to-35- petabytes>.

    This filesystem made its first appearance years ago, but then Microsoft
    began removing the option for using it from various non-“Enterprise” versions of Windows where it had been introduced.

    NTFS is certainly showing its age. But it’s not clear that ReFS is
    really enough to take Windows forward. It seems a bit lacklustre
    compared to the options that have long been available on Linux, for
    example.

    I reported on ReFS a month or two ago, when I tried it with my (then)
    new Windows 11 Pro Workstation virtual host.

    It wasn't resizable. I wrote it off as a primitive toy, and reformated
    the partition with NTFS.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Mar 27 20:25:31 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Thu, 3/27/2025 6:26 PM, vallor wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:20:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote in <vs4iug$186dc$[email protected]>:

    Seems Microsoft is bringing back the option for ordinary Windows users
    to format volumes as ReFS
    <https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/new-advanced-filesystem-
    format-option-found-in-windows-11-preview-build-refs-supports-up-to-35- petabytes>.

    This filesystem made its first appearance years ago, but then Microsoft
    began removing the option for using it from various non-“Enterprise”
    versions of Windows where it had been introduced.

    NTFS is certainly showing its age. But it’s not clear that ReFS is
    really enough to take Windows forward. It seems a bit lacklustre
    compared to the options that have long been available on Linux, for
    example.

    I reported on ReFS a month or two ago, when I tried it with my (then)
    new Windows 11 Pro Workstation virtual host.

    It wasn't resizable. I wrote it off as a primitive toy, and reformated
    the partition with NTFS.


    It's got a lotta versions, but I bet not much has changed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReFS

    3.14: Default version formatted by Windows 11 (build 26047 and newer).[23]

    And yeah, I just bought a 35 petabyte hard drive yesterday.
    What a coincidence :-)

    Paul

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Mar 28 20:00:19 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 28/03/2025 11:25 am, Paul wrote:

    <Snip>

    It's got a lotta versions, but I bet not much has changed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReFS

    3.14: Default version formatted by Windows 11 (build 26047 and newer).[23]

    And yeah, I just bought a 35 petabyte hard drive yesterday.
    What a coincidence :-)

    Paul

    "petabyte"!! 35,000,000,000,000,000!! WOW!!

    Is this on a personal Computer/Laptop or on a Server??

    In either case ..... WOW!!
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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Mar 28 10:40:28 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:20:00 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:


    NTFS is certainly showing its age. But it’s not clear that ReFS is
    really enough to take Windows forward.


    Whatever the case, it will be another proprietary format that GNU/Linux
    cannot (easily) access.

    IIRC, it tooks many years befor GNU/Linux was able to correctly access
    and write NTFS files.

    I still would not trust the Linux kernel module for writing NTFS even
    though it is regarded to be stable and free from error.

    In the not-so-rare times that I must interchange files between Winblows
    and GNU/Linux I will use either VFAT or EXFAT format.



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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Fri Mar 28 09:31:05 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 3/28/2025 6:40 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 22:20:00 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:


    NTFS is certainly showing its age. But it’s not clear that ReFS is
    really enough to take Windows forward.


    Whatever the case, it will be another proprietary format that GNU/Linux cannot (easily) access.

    IIRC, it tooks many years befor GNU/Linux was able to correctly access
    and write NTFS files.

    I still would not trust the Linux kernel module for writing NTFS even
    though it is regarded to be stable and free from error.

    In the not-so-rare times that I must interchange files between Winblows
    and GNU/Linux I will use either VFAT or EXFAT format.

    Paragon is offering a Linux driver for ReFS.
    Even though the ReFS has no public spec for it.

    I whipped up a quick test.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/bNfxLZpS/Re-FS-On-W11-Insider.gif

    I don't think anything has changed.

    Partition shrink is not offered (in Windows File Explorer).

    Paul

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Mar 28 21:23:00 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 20:25:31 -0400, Paul wrote:

    And yeah, I just bought a 35 petabyte hard drive yesterday.
    What a coincidence :-)

    In Linux, we can have volumes spanning multiple physical drives, using technologies like LVM (not to be confused with LLVM).

    Not sure that Windows has anything like LVM, though.

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