Le 22-03-2025, Lester Thorpe <[email protected]> a écrit :
Great. Another display of your stupidity. Let's have fun. I'm rarely
using Gimp and didn't tried the version 3.0.0 yet so, I have nothing to
say about it. I don't know if I find it better or worse than before. I
only know you display unrelated lack of knowledge which is a good and
easy point to bash another of your messages.

Mind you: I have version 3.0.0-1 installed so don't start with your
distro lackey statement believing I can't install anything my distro
wouldn't fit necessary. To test it, I just need to launch it. But I
don't need to use it now, so, I won't launch it now.

Who has the fucking time to fiddle with themes?

You. You do nothing good with your time, so fiddling with themes would
be something you could do when waiting for your kernel's compilation to
fail.

But virtually all criticisms of the GIMP are directed to the
UI as if the UI is somehow highly significant.

In fact, it is. The only way to dismiss the UI would be to use only the terminal. But as you are unable to use a terminal, the UI is critical,
even for you. If you can't realize it, it shows only you don't know what
you do. It proves, once again, that when you despise something, it's not because you have technical arguments, but because it would become
mandatory for you to learn something new.

A true image pro wouldn't even notice the UI

Of course it's plain wrong. Your lack of knowledge is just showing. Once
again. If you write in black ink on black background, you won't be able
to read what's written. So, having a big contrast is very important. If
you have only a menu with thousand of entries, you'll be unable to find
the entry you are looking for. So, when you are on a GUI, the UI is
critical. And as you are always using a GUI, your inability to
understand it shows only your inability to understand anything you are criticizing. As always, you show a big mouth with a lack of brain.

but the hordes of dilettantes certainly do.

Nonsense. At least, it's more inspired than your habitual "idiot"
limited insult.

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Outwardly, the only difference is that the UI is now based in
GTK3 and hence it is themeable. Who has the fucking time to
fiddle with themes?

But virtually all criticisms of the GIMP are directed to the
UI as if the UI is somehow highly significant.

A true image pro wouldn't even notice the UI but the hordes
of dilettantes certainly do.



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Lester Thorpe wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

Outwardly, the only difference is that the UI is now based in
GTK3 and hence it is themeable. Who has the fucking time to
fiddle with themes?

Me. Takes time to find a good dark theme.

But virtually all criticisms of the GIMP are directed to the
UI as if the UI is somehow highly significant.

A true image pro wouldn't even notice the UI but the hordes
of dilettantes certainly do.

I see that both Debian Sid and Arch got it around March 17.

That'll teach the DOGE bros:

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On 2025-03-22 09:16, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Outwardly, the only difference is that the UI is now based in
GTK3 and hence it is themeable. Who has the fucking time to
fiddle with themes?

But virtually all criticisms of the GIMP are directed to the
UI as if the UI is somehow highly significant.

A true image pro wouldn't even notice the UI but the hordes
of dilettantes certainly do.

I wasn't aware that one had to be a "true image pro" to use GIMP. Good
to know.

Guess that means I'll have to stop. I'm not now, nor have I ever been, a
"true image pro." That must be why I hate the dark theme that's been the
UI default for some time. I find it distracting. First thing I do when installing on a new computer is restore it to the lighter "System"
theme. Sacrilege.

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare
planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

Very useful when describing the plan to those entrusted with carrying it
out. But now I have to give all that up, because GIMP is only for "true
image pros."

TJ

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On 2025-03-24 10:17, TJ wrote:

On 2025-03-22 09:16, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Outwardly, the only difference is that the UI is now based in
GTK3 and hence it is themeable.  Who has the fucking time to
fiddle with themes?

But virtually all criticisms of the GIMP are directed to the
UI as if the UI is somehow highly significant.

A true image pro wouldn't even notice the UI but the hordes
of dilettantes certainly do.

I wasn't aware that one had to be a "true image pro" to use GIMP. Good
to know.

Guess that means I'll have to stop. I'm not now, nor have I ever been, a "true image pro." That must be why I hate the dark theme that's been the
UI default for some time. I find it distracting. First thing I do when installing on a new computer is restore it to the lighter "System"
theme. Sacrilege.

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

Very useful when describing the plan to those entrusted with carrying it
out. But now I have to give all that up, because GIMP is only for "true
image pros."

I imagine that the tone of what's written above is sarcastic, but if you
aren't already aware, Larry "Lester Thorpe Diego Garcia Fabian Russell" Pietraskiewicz is a laughing stock. Stéphane Carpentier seems to come to Usenet strictly to make fun of him and his poor ideas.

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CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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On 2025-03-24 10:53, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2025-03-24 10:17, TJ wrote:

On 2025-03-22 09:16, Lester Thorpe wrote:

Outwardly, the only difference is that the UI is now based in
GTK3 and hence it is themeable.  Who has the fucking time to
fiddle with themes?

But virtually all criticisms of the GIMP are directed to the
UI as if the UI is somehow highly significant.

A true image pro wouldn't even notice the UI but the hordes
of dilettantes certainly do.

I wasn't aware that one had to be a "true image pro" to use GIMP. Good
to know.

Guess that means I'll have to stop. I'm not now, nor have I ever been,
a "true image pro." That must be why I hate the dark theme that's been
the UI default for some time. I find it distracting. First thing I do
when installing on a new computer is restore it to the lighter
"System" theme. Sacrilege.

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare
planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

Very useful when describing the plan to those entrusted with carrying
it out. But now I have to give all that up, because GIMP is only for
"true image pros."

I imagine that the tone of what's written above is sarcastic, but if you aren't already aware, Larry "Lester Thorpe Diego Garcia Fabian Russell" Pietraskiewicz is a laughing stock. Stéphane Carpentier seems to come to Usenet strictly to make fun of him and his poor ideas.

My part was indeed sarcasm, but I must be losing my edge if there was
doubt about that. I used to be much better at it. Maybe I wasn't annoyed
quite enough yet.

As for Lester, I know nothing of him, other than the ridiculously
elitist message that started this thread. I don't usually frequent this
group, but I failed to notice it was the only one in the followup field
when I replied to the message on comp.os.linux.misc.

TJ

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 10:17:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

You would probably be better served with GIS (Geographic Information System) software such as GRASS GIS for Linux:

https://grass.osgeo.org/download/linux/

GIMP is for basic image manipulation on plain old raster image formats. Attempting to shoehorn such a program into GIS analysis is just asking
for problems.


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On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 10:17:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

A true image pro wouldn't even notice the UI but the hordes
of dilettantes certainly do.

I wasn't aware that one had to be a "true image pro" to use GIMP. Good
to know.

Guess that means I'll have to stop. I'm not now, nor have I ever been, a "true image pro."

Based on your logical abilities it can be ascertained that you are not
a "pro" in anything.

The above statement merely indicates that an "image pro" would not
notice or be overly concerned about the GIMP UI. It in no way even
suggests that one must a "pro" in order to use GIMP.

However, as with all capable software, the GIMP is better wielded
by image pros. Witness the billions of junk spreadsheets that are
created by the hordes of untrained Calc/Excel users. It is the same
with the GIMP.

Now get back into your harness and plow those fields. Maybe one day
your master will be able to afford a tractor.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!



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On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 16:45:12 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 10:17:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare
planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

You would probably be better served with GIS (Geographic Information
System)
software such as GRASS GIS for Linux:

https://grass.osgeo.org/download/linux/

GIMP is for basic image manipulation on plain old raster image formats.

QGIS is cross platform and would seem like a better match.

Attempting to shoehorn such a program into GIS analysis is just asking
for problems.

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On 2025-03-24 12:45, Farley Flud wrote:

On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 10:17:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare
planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

You would probably be better served with GIS (Geographic Information System) software such as GRASS GIS for Linux:

https://grass.osgeo.org/download/linux/

GIMP is for basic image manipulation on plain old raster image formats. Attempting to shoehorn such a program into GIS analysis is just asking
for problems.

I'll look into it, but at a glance it looks like it's far more elaborate
and feature-packed than I really need for my purposes. I've been using
The GIMP for this since 2006, so I pretty much know how to make it work
for me.

Assuming, of course, that GIMP 3.0 hasn't been changed so radically that
the UI is completely new. Even so, I don't expect my distro's stable
release to move away from 2.10 for a little while yet, so I should be
good for this year's cropping plans.

TJ

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On 2025-03-24 13:06, Farley Flud wrote:

Now get back into your harness and plow those fields. Maybe one day
your master will be able to afford a tractor.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

How mature of you.

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 13:45:14 -0400, TJ wrote:

How mature of you.

Oh, you're just saying that because it's true.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!




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On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 18:46:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

He did the Richard Nixon "I'm leaving and you won't have me to kick
around any more" thing but, apparently, he forgot where the exit was.
He's been in my killfile for a long, long time.

He must have gotten lonely over on that abandoned news group.

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On 3/24/2025 10:17 AM, TJ wrote:

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

Where do you plant the wacky tobaccy?

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 12:06:09 -0700, John Ames <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 17:06:44 +0000
Farley Flud <[email protected]> wrote:

Witness the billions of junk spreadsheets that are created by the
hordes of untrained Calc/Excel users. It is the same with the GIMP.

Now get back into your harness and plow those fields. Maybe one day
your master will be able to afford a tractor.

It's always a Special Occasion when the c.o.l.a. troglodytes cross-post
to c.o.l.m. *Sterling* rhetoric, as usual o_O

Feeb is the exception that proves the rule.

I was cross-posting my compilation reports for Linux, but got flack
from someone in colm. So, no more of that!

Speaking of which...stand by for news!

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On 3/24/25 12:45 PM, Farley Flud wrote:

On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 10:17:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare
planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

You would probably be better served with GIS (Geographic Information System) software such as GRASS GIS for Linux:

https://grass.osgeo.org/download/linux/

Generally agree ... GIMP is good for what it's good for
but the poster seems to need a GIS of some kind. GRASS
or QGIS are probably his best, and cheapest, move.

GIMP is for basic image manipulation on plain old raster image formats. Attempting to shoehorn such a program into GIS analysis is just asking
for problems.

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On 2025-03-25 03:37, RonB wrote:

On 2025-03-24, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:

On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 18:46:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

He did the Richard Nixon "I'm leaving and you won't have me to kick
around any more" thing but, apparently, he forgot where the exit was.
He's been in my killfile for a long, long time.

He must have gotten lonely over on that abandoned news group.

I was hoping he would entertain himself by responding to his own posts.

I would bet that he did, at first. He probably got discouraged at how
much of an ass the person he was arguing with was.

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CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 10:17:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

Let me suggest looking at Inkscape. That does vector drawing, which is resolution-independent, and is easier to modify.

I recently did something similar to what you’ve been doing (except a bit simpler), drawing a diagram of a car accident I was in for an insurance
claim. The satellite photo was in a background layer, and I added various annotation layers on top, including lines with different colours and dash styles indicating the paths of the vehicles etc. Inkscape has some nice
design functions to let me get text blocks neatly aligned and distributed
etc.

And it’s all nondestructive. Which means I can change things (e.g. the
sizes and rotations of objects) without losing any image quality.

I use GIMP, too, when appropriate. The thing with Free software is, it doesn’t cost you any extra to learn more than one tool.

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On 2025-03-31 6:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 10:17:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare
planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

Let me suggest looking at Inkscape. That does vector drawing, which is resolution-independent, and is easier to modify.

I recently did something similar to what you’ve been doing (except a bit simpler), drawing a diagram of a car accident I was in for an insurance claim. The satellite photo was in a background layer, and I added various annotation layers on top, including lines with different colours and dash styles indicating the paths of the vehicles etc. Inkscape has some nice design functions to let me get text blocks neatly aligned and distributed etc.

And it’s all nondestructive. Which means I can change things (e.g. the sizes and rotations of objects) without losing any image quality.

I use GIMP, too, when appropriate. The thing with Free software is, it doesn’t cost you any extra to learn more than one tool.

That last sentence should be quoted by everyone for eternity.

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CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 10:17:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare
planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

Let me suggest looking at Inkscape. That does vector drawing, which is resolution-independent, and is easier to modify.

https://logovector.co.uk/blogs/news/how-to-create-a-vector-file-in-gimp?srsltid=AfmBOoqFUPTNtHjYJw6KSUgxfetIIrAO_qHSeOozCeeyfRCHQo2EZt4j

GIMP(GNU Image Manipulation Program) is a widely used open-source raster
graphics software. While it's not specifically designed for vector
graphics, it does offer some basic vector capabilities. In this blog post,
we'll discuss the nature of vector files, explore GIMP's vector features,
and provide a guide on creating a vector logo in GIMP.

I recently did something similar to what you’ve been doing (except a bit simpler), drawing a diagram of a car accident I was in for an insurance claim. The satellite photo was in a background layer, and I added various annotation layers on top, including lines with different colours and dash styles indicating the paths of the vehicles etc. Inkscape has some nice design functions to let me get text blocks neatly aligned and distributed etc.

And it’s all nondestructive. Which means I can change things (e.g. the sizes and rotations of objects) without losing any image quality.

I use GIMP, too, when appropriate. The thing with Free software is, it doesn’t cost you any extra to learn more than one tool.

If one is willing to learn.

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O love, could thou and I with fate conspire
To grasp this sorry scheme of things entire,
Might we not smash it to bits
And mould it closer to our hearts' desire?
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TJ <[email protected]ss> wrote at 17:32 this Monday (GMT):

On 2025-03-24 12:45, Farley Flud wrote:

On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 10:17:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

I'm a farmer, and I've been mistakenly using GIMP for years to prepare
planning maps that show what I want to plant where on my diversified
farm. They use a satellite photo as a base, with color-coded fields
drawn on it as overlaying layers, labeled with the size in acres.

You would probably be better served with GIS (Geographic Information System) >> software such as GRASS GIS for Linux:

https://grass.osgeo.org/download/linux/

GIMP is for basic image manipulation on plain old raster image formats.
Attempting to shoehorn such a program into GIS analysis is just asking
for problems.

I'll look into it, but at a glance it looks like it's far more elaborate
and feature-packed than I really need for my purposes. I've been using
The GIMP for this since 2006, so I pretty much know how to make it work
for me.

Assuming, of course, that GIMP 3.0 hasn't been changed so radically that
the UI is completely new. Even so, I don't expect my distro's stable
release to move away from 2.10 for a little while yet, so I should be
good for this year's cropping plans.

TJ

If it's Debian, then you won't have to worry about GIMP 3.0 for at least another year!

I still enjoy Debian, but the outdatded pages is a bit annoying
sometimes.
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Joel <[email protected]> wrote at 22:14 this Wednesday (GMT):

candycanearter07 <[email protected]>
wrote:

TJ <[email protected]ss> wrote at 17:32 this Monday (GMT):

Assuming, of course, that GIMP 3.0 hasn't been changed so radically that >>> the UI is completely new. Even so, I don't expect my distro's stable
release to move away from 2.10 for a little while yet, so I should be
good for this year's cropping plans.

If it's Debian, then you won't have to worry about GIMP 3.0 for at least >>another year!

I still enjoy Debian, but the outdatded pages is a bit annoying
sometimes.

https://i.imgur.com/6EYxO3X.png

Just use the AppImage of 3.x.

Fair enough. I don't use GIMP often enough to go out of my way for 3.x,
tho
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On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 15:40:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

If it's Debian, then you won't have to worry about GIMP 3.0 for at least another year!

I have it already. Arrived in my last monthly update (along with Inkscape 1.4).

(Debian Unstable, of course.)

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