• Re: Biden failures - Trump, Musk and God bring stranded astronauts home

    From Matt Singer@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 20 19:38:41 2025
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    On 19 Mar 2025, J Carlson <[email protected]> posted some news:vrfd7i$1mf1a$[email protected]:

    On 3/19/2025 11:49 AM, Bi-valve Mollusk wrote:
    On 3/19/2025 1:50 PM, Kualinar wrote:
    First, let me correct that title.

    Le 2025-03-19 à 12:48, a425couple a écrit :
    On 3/18/25 22:18, Space Frontier wrote:
    Biden DEI clowns couldn't do it.
    Biden had NOTHING to do with that problem. It was a problem with the
    Dragon capsule.

    The Trump administration and Musk also had UTTERLY nothing to do
    with their return.

    Musk had nothing to do with it?

    Correct: the mission to bring back the astronauts would have gone
    forward on *exactly* the same schedule even if Musk had dropped dead
    of a heart attack a year ago. Musk did not move up or in any way
    affect the mission. Fuck off, asshole.

    That's untrue. They got stuck because the Boeing CST-100 had "technical issues" and the DEI Boeing queers couldn't figure out how to fix the
    problems to get them home.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 20 15:12:51 2025
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    Bi-valve Mollusk wrote:

    the mission to bring back the astronauts would have gone
    forward on *exactly* the same schedule even if Musk had dropped dead
    of a heart attack a year ago.

    That doesn't make it correct to say that Musk had "UTTERLY nothing" to
    do with it, dipshit.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to chrisv on Thu Mar 20 15:24:18 2025
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    chrisv wrote:

    J Carlson, _not_ Bi-valve Mollusk, wrote:

    the mission to bring back the astronauts would have gone
    forward on *exactly* the same schedule even if Musk had dropped dead
    of a heart attack a year ago.

    That doesn't make it correct to say that Musk had "UTTERLY nothing" to
    do with it, dipshit.

    Correction, the dipshit is J Carlson.

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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to chrisv on Thu Mar 20 16:33:47 2025
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    On 3/20/2025 4:24 PM, chrisv wrote:
    chrisv wrote:

    J Carlson, _not_ Bi-valve Mollusk, wrote:

    the mission to bring back the astronauts would have gone
    forward on *exactly* the same schedule even if Musk had dropped dead
    of a heart attack a year ago.

    That doesn't make it correct to say that Musk had "UTTERLY nothing" to
    do with it, dipshit.

    Correction, the dipshit is J Carlson.

    Correction, the dipshit is Jon Ball, aka J Carlson, and about 130 other
    nyms.

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  • From Gronk@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 20 23:36:29 2025
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    https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2024/08/
    Month: August 2024

    NASA astronaut Nick Hague and Roscosmos
    cosmonaut Aleksandr Gorbunov will launch no
    earlier than Tuesday, Sept. 24, on the
    agency’s SpaceX Crew-9 mission to the
    International Space Station. NASA astronauts
    Zena Cardman and Stephanie Wilson, previously
    announced as crewmates, are eligible for
    reassignment on a future mission.

    The updated crew complement follows NASA’s
    decision to return the agency’s Boeing Crew
    Flight Test uncrewed and launch Crew-9 with
    two unoccupied seats.


    https://spaceflightnow.com/2024/08/30/nasa-bumps-two-astronauts-from-spacex-flight-to-make-room-for-starliner-crew/


    https://www.space.com/space-exploration/international-space-station/why-nasas-starliner-astronauts-spent-9-months-in-space-on-a-10-day-mission-a-timeline

    Aug 30: NASA cuts 2 from Crew-9 mission to
    make room for Starliner astronauts

    Dec. 17: NASA announces that Butch and Suni
    are staying up until March 2025 Crew-9 could
    not come home until its replacement, SpaceX's
    Crew-10 mission, made it to the ISS. Crew-10
    was supposed to launch in February, but SpaceX
    encountered delays with that mission's Crew
    Dragon, a new capsule that had not yet flown.
    On Dec. 17, NASA announced that those delays
    had pushed Crew-10's launch — and, therefore,
    Crew-9's return to Earth — until late March at
    the earliest.

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  • From Rudy Disappears@21:1/5 to gronk on Fri Mar 21 09:59:43 2025
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    In <vritst$sukg$[email protected]> gronk wrote:


    https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2024/08/
    Month: August 2024

    NASA astronaut Nick Hague and Roscosmos
    cosmonaut Aleksandr Gorbunov will launch no
    earlier than Tuesday, Sept. 24, on the
    agency’s SpaceX Crew-9 mission to the
    International Space Station. NASA astronauts
    Zena Cardman and Stephanie Wilson, previously
    announced as crewmates, are eligible for
    reassignment on a future mission.

    The updated crew complement follows NASA’s
    decision to return the agency’s Boeing Crew
    Flight Test uncrewed and launch Crew-9 with
    two unoccupied seats.


    https://spaceflightnow.com/2024/08/30/nasa-bumps-two-astronauts-from-spacex-flight-to-make-room-for-starliner-crew/


    https://www.space.com/space-exploration/international-space-station/why-nasas-starliner-astronauts-spent-9-months-in-space-on-a-10-day-mission-a-timeline

    Aug 30: NASA cuts 2 from Crew-9 mission to
    make room for Starliner astronauts

    Dec. 17: NASA announces that Butch and Suni
    are staying up until March 2025 Crew-9 could
    not come home until its replacement, SpaceX's
    Crew-10 mission, made it to the ISS. Crew-10
    was supposed to launch in February, but SpaceX
    encountered delays with that mission's Crew
    Dragon, a new capsule that had not yet flown.
    On Dec. 17, NASA announced that those delays
    had pushed Crew-10's launch — and, therefore,
    Crew-9's return to Earth — until late March at
    the earliest.

    That's called misleadin' and lyin' around these here parts.

    Watchdog panel's annual NASA safety report reveals new Boeing Starliner issue, questions viable future
    https://phys.org/news/2025-02-watchdog-panel-annual-nasa-safety.html

    The annual watchdog report tasked to gauge NASA safety commended the agency's handling of last year's beleaguered Boeing Starliner mission, but revealed yet another issue found during the flight and questioned NASA's needs for the spacecraft in the
    future.

    The Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel (ASAP), which was formed in 1968, released its assessment of NASA mission safety from 2024, paying specific attention to human risk, especially on the International Space Station and from both Commercial Crew Program
    providers SpaceX and Boeing.

    The headliner was Boeing's first crewed flight of its long-delayed CST-100 Starliner spacecraft, which suffered helium leaks and thruster failures on its propulsion system on its way up to the ISS. That led to a months-long saga that ultimately saw
    Starliner leave its two NASA astronauts behind on the station because of the risk of flying them home.

    The ASAP report commended NASA's call to favor astronaut safety, but as an observer during the sundry meetings leading up to the decision, it warned NASA needs to better define who is in charge.

    "The agency presumed risk, demanding proof that the mission was safe rather than assuming safety and forcing dissenters to prove otherwise," the report stated.

    It noted that NASA leadership had directed a post-mission review of the mission, but before that was completed, the ASAP report raised at least one red flag amid the public-private partnership that drives the Commercial Crew Program.

    "It is already evident this case illustrates the pressing need for clear roles and responsibilities for service providers with respect to risk," it stated.

    The report pointed out "ambiguity in the interrelationship between an initial Boeing-directed Mission Management Team (MMT) meeting, where data were assessed, and a subsequent NASA-led Commercial Crew Program Control Board that sought further analysis."

    It also stated that it was unclear how a decision was made to waive a failure tolerance requirement on some of the thrusters without flight or qualification data to justify the decision.

    "These examples illustrate the panel's concern that, absent role clarity, risk management choices could unintentionally devolve to contractors, whose interests may not fully align with NASA's," the report warned.

    Members of ASAP had actually asked NASA about that potential conflict before the Starliner ever launched, and the report said ASAP had "received assurance that risk management authorities and responsibilities were well understood."

    The ASAP report, though, stated NASA's investigative team is likely to find there was room for improvement.

    "Regardless, the panel urges NASA to establish clear contractual and programmatic direction regarding roles and responsibilities" within the Commercial Crew Program including the structure of commercial partners' management teams "for anomaly resolution,
    particularly when addressing significant in-flight anomalies that could affect crew safety," the report stated.

    It also revealed that in addition to the thruster and leak issues on the propulsion module driving the decision to fly home without astronauts, Starliner had a new issue as it made its way back to Earth.

    "Overall, Starliner performed well across all major systems in the undock, deorbit, and landing sequences; however, an additional mono propellant thruster failure was discovered in the crew module—distinct from the failures in the service module
    experienced during orbit," the report stated. "Had the crew been aboard, this would have significantly increased the risk during reentry, confirming the wisdom of the decision."

    As far as Starliner's path to certification, the ASAP report said it would continue to monitor several unresolved issues with the thrusters and seek information on how NASA and Boeing plan to get the spacecraft certified.

    "While the thruster issues have received considerable attention, the panel has previously noted other Starliner issues that require resolution prior to certification," it stated

    That includes a battery redesign and work to strengthen the landing airbag apparatus.

    "Beyond these technical matters, schedule and budget pose substantial challenges to Starliner certification," the report added.

    With the ISS slated to be decommissioned after 2030, Boeing only has a contract to fly six rotational crew missions, and the earliest it would be able to fly one would be late this year, and then only if certified.

    "Until the Starliner certification plan is well understood, it remains unclear as to whether a second provider will be available prior to the end of the ISS's operational life," the report stated. "While NASA could potentially realize a benefit from
    having a reliable second provider, NASA should regularly review its risk-benefit analysis to ensure the overall risks of its plans remain acceptable."

    Meanwhile, SpaceX, which had its Crew Dragon spacecraft certified after a successful crewed test flight in 2020, has already flown up nine operational crew rotation flights to the ISS with a 10th on tap as soon as March.

    That mission, Crew-10, is actually the one being waited on by the two Starliner astronauts that were left behind on the station. NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams became part of the Crew-9 mission when that Crew Dragon arrived last
    September with only two instead of the normal four passengers, meaning Wilmore and Williams had a ride home.

    The flight home, though, is not slated to happen until the Crew-10 arrival, allowing for a short turnover period between crews at the station. While delays to SpaceX's new and fifth Crew Dragon capsule have already delayed the Crew-10 launch from a
    planned February liftoff to now no earlier than late March, it's possible SpaceX will shift plans and fly Crew-10 up on one of its existing Crew Dragon spacecraft instead.

    President Trump confirmed he had asked SpaceX founder Elon Musk to get the Starliner astronauts home as soon as possible, but how and by what timeline that might occur has yet to be announced.

    In the end, Williams and Wilmore will have spent potentially more than eight months on board the station for a mission that was originally targeting as little as an eight-day stay.

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