• Re: Illegal Immigration: A Massive Net Drain on U.S. Taxpayers

    From pothead@21:1/5 to John Smyth on Sat Mar 15 16:56:35 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, talk.politics.guns XPost: misc.immigration.usa

    On 2025-03-15, John Smyth <[email protected]> wrote:
    No kidding.

    'Illegal Immigration: A Massive Net Drain on U.S. Taxpayers'

    <https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/illegal-immigration-massive-net-drain-u-s-taxpayers/>

    'he economic reality is clear: illegal immigration is not a net benefit
    to the United States. It is a burden that taxpayers, law enforcement, hospitals, and victims of crime are forced to bear—one that could be eliminated by enforcing immigration laws and prioritizing the well-being
    of legal residents and citizens.

    Studies from organizations such as the Center for Immigration Studies
    (CIS) have determined that illegal immigration creates a net fiscal
    drain, with the cost of public services far exceeding any contributions.
    A Manhattan Institute study estimates that the surge of illegal
    immigrants between 2021 and 2026 will cost taxpayers $1.15 trillion over
    the lifetime of these new illegal immigrants—a figure larger than the entire U.S. defense budget and nearly equal to the cost of Social
    Security in 2023. With numbers this staggering, the financial strain of illegal immigration is impossible to ignore. And even worse, these costs continue to rise as more resources are allocated to support illegal immigrants, further straining public budgets.

    Advocates often point to the taxes illegal immigrants pay—such as the
    $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022, according to
    the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. However, this figure
    fails to account for the broader economic reality: most illegal
    immigrants do not pay federal or state income taxes, do not contribute
    to Social Security or Medicare, and impose far greater costs on public services than they contribute in tax revenue.

    Even the argument that illegal immigrants boost GDP falls apart under scrutiny. The Center for Migration Studies at New York University claims
    that legalizing the undocumented population would contribute $1.2
    trillion to the U.S. economy—an implicit acknowledgment that illegal immigrants, as they currently exist, are not meaningfully contributing. Unlike legal residents, many do not file tax returns and work off the
    books, meaning they bypass payroll taxes entirely. While illegal
    immigrants do pay sales taxes, excise taxes (on goods like gasoline and cigarettes), and property taxes (directly as homeowners or indirectly
    through rent), these payments would still be made if the jobs were held
    by U.S. citizens or legal immigrants. There is no unique economic
    benefit to having illegal workers in these roles.

    Moreover, much of the spending attributed to illegal immigrants is done
    with money they receive from government programs, creating an illusion
    of economic benefit. This cycle—where taxpayer money funds welfare
    programs that then enable illegal immigrants to spend in the economy—is presented by Democrats as an economic boost. In reality, it’s a redistribution of taxpayer dollars, not genuine economic growth.

    Hospitals are legally required to provide emergency care to all
    patients, regardless of immigration status. As a result, illegal
    immigrants frequently receive medical treatment without the ability—or obligation—to pay, leaving hospitals and taxpayers to absorb the costs. This unpaid medical debt strains healthcare systems, raises costs for
    insured patients, and has even contributed to hospital closures in areas
    with high concentrations of illegal immigration. Some states, such as California, have gone further by allocating taxpayer funds to provide
    free healthcare to illegal immigrants, adding to the financial burden.

    Beyond healthcare, illegal immigrants also consume a wide range of
    public services funded by taxpayers. Public schools are required to
    educate the children of illegal immigrants, costing billions annually.
    While illegal immigrants may not qualify for Social Security or
    Medicare, many of their U.S.-born children receive benefits through
    Medicaid, CHIP, food stamps (SNAP), Temporary Assistance for Needy
    Families (TANF), and housing assistance. Additionally, some states grant illegal immigrants in-state tuition, driver’s licenses, and direct financial aid. States with large illegal immigrant populations—such as California, Texas, Florida, and New York—bear the heaviest costs, particularly in education and welfare programs.

    Contrary to claims that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes, the data
    is often skewed by underreporting. Many jurisdictions, particularly
    sanctuary cities, do not record immigration status when reporting
    crimes, and some outright refuse to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement. Even if illegal immigrants committed crimes at a lower rate
    than citizens, they still add to the overall crime rate. Crimes
    committed by illegal immigrants would not be occurring if those
    individuals were not in the country to begin with. The costs of investigating, prosecuting, and incarcerating illegal immigrants are
    borne by taxpayers. Additionally, victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants suffer losses—both financial and personal—that could have
    been avoided entirely.

    Illegal immigrants who drive often do so without valid licenses or
    insurance. When they cause accidents, the financial burden falls on the victims and their insurance providers. This results in higher premiums
    for law-abiding citizens, increasing costs across the board. Traffic violations and unpaid fines further contribute to municipal losses, as
    many illegal immigrants either evade enforcement or lack the means to
    pay.

    Any path to citizenship or economic benefits for illegal immigrants only incentivizes more illegal immigration. Democrats actively support the
    very programs driving illegal migration while simultaneously calling for increases in the minimum wage and the legalization of illegal
    immigrants. What they fail to acknowledge is that stopping illegal immigration would naturally cause wages in those fields to rise, making
    those jobs more attractive to legal residents and native-born workers,
    who would then contribute more to GDP.

    At the same time, Democrats constantly push for higher statutory minimum wages while advocating for increased illegal immigration. This
    contradiction undermines their own policies—if illegal immigration were halted, wages at the lower end of the labor market would rise
    organically as businesses adjusted to a legal workforce. No government-mandated minimum would be necessary.

    When weighing any contribution to GDP, the real cost of illegal immigration—public benefits, healthcare, law enforcement, and lost tax revenue—must also be considered. The net effect is a drain, not a gain'

    This is simply common sense.


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  • From John Smyth@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 15 12:33:05 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, talk.politics.guns XPost: misc.immigration.usa

    No kidding.

    'Illegal Immigration: A Massive Net Drain on U.S. Taxpayers'

    <https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/illegal-immigration-massive-net-drain-u-s-taxpayers/>

    'he economic reality is clear: illegal immigration is not a net benefit
    to the United States. It is a burden that taxpayers, law enforcement, hospitals, and victims of crime are forced to bear—one that could be eliminated by enforcing immigration laws and prioritizing the well-being
    of legal residents and citizens.

    Studies from organizations such as the Center for Immigration Studies
    (CIS) have determined that illegal immigration creates a net fiscal
    drain, with the cost of public services far exceeding any contributions.
    A Manhattan Institute study estimates that the surge of illegal
    immigrants between 2021 and 2026 will cost taxpayers $1.15 trillion over
    the lifetime of these new illegal immigrants—a figure larger than the
    entire U.S. defense budget and nearly equal to the cost of Social
    Security in 2023. With numbers this staggering, the financial strain of
    illegal immigration is impossible to ignore. And even worse, these costs continue to rise as more resources are allocated to support illegal
    immigrants, further straining public budgets.

    Advocates often point to the taxes illegal immigrants pay—such as the
    $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022, according to
    the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. However, this figure
    fails to account for the broader economic reality: most illegal
    immigrants do not pay federal or state income taxes, do not contribute
    to Social Security or Medicare, and impose far greater costs on public
    services than they contribute in tax revenue.

    Even the argument that illegal immigrants boost GDP falls apart under
    scrutiny. The Center for Migration Studies at New York University claims
    that legalizing the undocumented population would contribute $1.2
    trillion to the U.S. economy—an implicit acknowledgment that illegal immigrants, as they currently exist, are not meaningfully contributing.
    Unlike legal residents, many do not file tax returns and work off the
    books, meaning they bypass payroll taxes entirely. While illegal
    immigrants do pay sales taxes, excise taxes (on goods like gasoline and cigarettes), and property taxes (directly as homeowners or indirectly
    through rent), these payments would still be made if the jobs were held
    by U.S. citizens or legal immigrants. There is no unique economic
    benefit to having illegal workers in these roles.

    Moreover, much of the spending attributed to illegal immigrants is done
    with money they receive from government programs, creating an illusion
    of economic benefit. This cycle—where taxpayer money funds welfare
    programs that then enable illegal immigrants to spend in the economy—is presented by Democrats as an economic boost. In reality, it’s a redistribution of taxpayer dollars, not genuine economic growth.

    Hospitals are legally required to provide emergency care to all
    patients, regardless of immigration status. As a result, illegal
    immigrants frequently receive medical treatment without the ability—or obligation—to pay, leaving hospitals and taxpayers to absorb the costs.
    This unpaid medical debt strains healthcare systems, raises costs for
    insured patients, and has even contributed to hospital closures in areas
    with high concentrations of illegal immigration. Some states, such as California, have gone further by allocating taxpayer funds to provide
    free healthcare to illegal immigrants, adding to the financial burden.

    Beyond healthcare, illegal immigrants also consume a wide range of
    public services funded by taxpayers. Public schools are required to
    educate the children of illegal immigrants, costing billions annually.
    While illegal immigrants may not qualify for Social Security or
    Medicare, many of their U.S.-born children receive benefits through
    Medicaid, CHIP, food stamps (SNAP), Temporary Assistance for Needy
    Families (TANF), and housing assistance. Additionally, some states grant illegal immigrants in-state tuition, driver’s licenses, and direct
    financial aid. States with large illegal immigrant populations—such as California, Texas, Florida, and New York—bear the heaviest costs, particularly in education and welfare programs.

    Contrary to claims that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes, the data
    is often skewed by underreporting. Many jurisdictions, particularly
    sanctuary cities, do not record immigration status when reporting
    crimes, and some outright refuse to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement. Even if illegal immigrants committed crimes at a lower rate
    than citizens, they still add to the overall crime rate. Crimes
    committed by illegal immigrants would not be occurring if those
    individuals were not in the country to begin with. The costs of
    investigating, prosecuting, and incarcerating illegal immigrants are
    borne by taxpayers. Additionally, victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants suffer losses—both financial and personal—that could have
    been avoided entirely.

    Illegal immigrants who drive often do so without valid licenses or
    insurance. When they cause accidents, the financial burden falls on the
    victims and their insurance providers. This results in higher premiums
    for law-abiding citizens, increasing costs across the board. Traffic
    violations and unpaid fines further contribute to municipal losses, as
    many illegal immigrants either evade enforcement or lack the means to
    pay.

    Any path to citizenship or economic benefits for illegal immigrants only incentivizes more illegal immigration. Democrats actively support the
    very programs driving illegal migration while simultaneously calling for increases in the minimum wage and the legalization of illegal
    immigrants. What they fail to acknowledge is that stopping illegal
    immigration would naturally cause wages in those fields to rise, making
    those jobs more attractive to legal residents and native-born workers,
    who would then contribute more to GDP.

    At the same time, Democrats constantly push for higher statutory minimum
    wages while advocating for increased illegal immigration. This
    contradiction undermines their own policies—if illegal immigration were halted, wages at the lower end of the labor market would rise
    organically as businesses adjusted to a legal workforce. No
    government-mandated minimum would be necessary.

    When weighing any contribution to GDP, the real cost of illegal immigration—public benefits, healthcare, law enforcement, and lost tax revenue—must also be considered. The net effect is a drain, not a gain'

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Mar 16 14:09:51 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, talk.politics.guns XPost: misc.immigration.usa

    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:vr4bg3$3tmat$[email protected]:

    On 2025-03-15, John Smyth <[email protected]> wrote:
    No kidding.

    'Illegal Immigration: A Massive Net Drain on U.S. Taxpayers'

    <https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/illegal-immigration-massive-n >>et-drain-u-s-taxpayers/>

    'he economic reality is clear: illegal immigration is not a net
    benefit to the United States. It is a burden that taxpayers, law
    enforcement, hospitals, and victims of crime are forced to bear—one
    that could be eliminated by enforcing immigration laws and
    prioritizing the well-being of legal residents and citizens.

    Studies from organizations such as the Center for Immigration Studies
    (CIS) have determined that illegal immigration creates a net fiscal
    drain, with the cost of public services far exceeding any
    contributions. A Manhattan Institute study estimates that the surge
    of illegal immigrants between 2021 and 2026 will cost taxpayers $1.15
    trillion over the lifetime of these new illegal immigrants—a figure
    larger than the entire U.S. defense budget and nearly equal to the
    cost of Social Security in 2023. With numbers this staggering, the
    financial strain of illegal immigration is impossible to ignore. And
    even worse, these costs continue to rise as more resources are
    allocated to support illegal immigrants, further straining public
    budgets.

    Advocates often point to the taxes illegal immigrants pay—such as
    the $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022,
    according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. However,
    this figure fails to account for the broader economic reality: most
    illegal immigrants do not pay federal or state income taxes, do not
    contribute to Social Security or Medicare, and impose far greater
    costs on public services than they contribute in tax revenue.

    Even the argument that illegal immigrants boost GDP falls apart under
    scrutiny. The Center for Migration Studies at New York University
    claims that legalizing the undocumented population would contribute
    $1.2 trillion to the U.S. economy—an implicit acknowledgment that
    illegal immigrants, as they currently exist, are not meaningfully
    contributing. Unlike legal residents, many do not file tax returns
    and work off the books, meaning they bypass payroll taxes entirely.
    While illegal immigrants do pay sales taxes, excise taxes (on goods
    like gasoline and cigarettes), and property taxes (directly as
    homeowners or indirectly through rent), these payments would still be
    made if the jobs were held by U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.
    There is no unique economic benefit to having illegal workers in
    these roles.

    Moreover, much of the spending attributed to illegal immigrants is
    done with money they receive from government programs, creating an
    illusion of economic benefit. This cycle—where taxpayer money funds
    welfare programs that then enable illegal immigrants to spend in the
    economy—is presented by Democrats as an economic boost. In reality,
    it’s a redistribution of taxpayer dollars, not genuine economic
    growth.

    Hospitals are legally required to provide emergency care to all
    patients, regardless of immigration status. As a result, illegal
    immigrants frequently receive medical treatment without the
    ability—or obligation—to pay, leaving hospitals and taxpayers to
    absorb the costs. This unpaid medical debt strains healthcare
    systems, raises costs for insured patients, and has even contributed
    to hospital closures in areas with high concentrations of illegal
    immigration. Some states, such as California, have gone further by
    allocating taxpayer funds to provide free healthcare to illegal
    immigrants, adding to the financial burden.

    Beyond healthcare, illegal immigrants also consume a wide range of
    public services funded by taxpayers. Public schools are required to
    educate the children of illegal immigrants, costing billions
    annually. While illegal immigrants may not qualify for Social
    Security or Medicare, many of their U.S.-born children receive
    benefits through Medicaid, CHIP, food stamps (SNAP), Temporary
    Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), and housing assistance.
    Additionally, some states grant illegal immigrants in-state tuition,
    driver’s licenses, and direct financial aid. States with large
    illegal immigrant populations—such as California, Texas, Florida,
    and New York—bear the heaviest costs, particularly in education and
    welfare programs.

    Contrary to claims that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes, the
    data is often skewed by underreporting. Many jurisdictions,
    particularly sanctuary cities, do not record immigration status when
    reporting crimes, and some outright refuse to cooperate with federal
    immigration enforcement. Even if illegal immigrants committed crimes
    at a lower rate than citizens, they still add to the overall crime
    rate. Crimes committed by illegal immigrants would not be occurring
    if those individuals were not in the country to begin with. The costs
    of investigating, prosecuting, and incarcerating illegal immigrants
    are borne by taxpayers. Additionally, victims of crimes committed by
    illegal immigrants suffer losses—both financial and personal—that
    could have been avoided entirely.

    Illegal immigrants who drive often do so without valid licenses or
    insurance. When they cause accidents, the financial burden falls on
    the victims and their insurance providers. This results in higher
    premiums for law-abiding citizens, increasing costs across the board.
    Traffic violations and unpaid fines further contribute to municipal
    losses, as many illegal immigrants either evade enforcement or lack
    the means to pay.

    Any path to citizenship or economic benefits for illegal immigrants
    only incentivizes more illegal immigration. Democrats actively
    support the very programs driving illegal migration while
    simultaneously calling for increases in the minimum wage and the
    legalization of illegal immigrants. What they fail to acknowledge is
    that stopping illegal immigration would naturally cause wages in
    those fields to rise, making those jobs more attractive to legal
    residents and native-born workers, who would then contribute more to
    GDP.

    At the same time, Democrats constantly push for higher statutory
    minimum wages while advocating for increased illegal immigration.
    This contradiction undermines their own policies—if illegal
    immigration were halted, wages at the lower end of the labor market
    would rise organically as businesses adjusted to a legal workforce.
    No government-mandated minimum would be necessary.

    When weighing any contribution to GDP, the real cost of illegal
    immigration—public benefits, healthcare, law enforcement, and lost
    tax revenue—must also be considered. The net effect is a drain, not
    a gain'

    This is simply common sense.




    Indeed, just look how the economy
    has boomed since Trump took office.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Sun Mar 16 20:34:47 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, talk.politics.guns XPost: misc.immigration.usa

    On 2025-03-16, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:vr4bg3$3tmat$[email protected]:

    On 2025-03-15, John Smyth <[email protected]> wrote:
    No kidding.

    'Illegal Immigration: A Massive Denon 300fNet Drain on U.S. Taxpayers'

    <https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/illegal-immigration-massive-n >>>et-drain-u-s-taxpayers/>

    'he economic reality is clear: illegal immigration is not a net
    benefit to the United States. It is a burden that taxpayers, law
    enforcement, hospitals, and victims of crime are forced to bear—one
    that could be eliminated by enforcing immigration laws and
    prioritizing the well-being of legal residents and citizens.

    Studies from organizations such as the Center for Immigration Studies
    (CIS) have determined that illegal immigration creates a net fiscal
    drain, with the cost of public services far exceeding any
    contributions. A Manhattan Institute study estimates that the surge
    of illegal immigrants between 2021 and 2026 will cost taxpayers $1.15
    trillion over the lifetime of these new illegal immigrants—a figure
    larger than the entire U.S. defense budget and nearly equal to the
    cost of Social Security in 2023. With numbers this staggering, the
    financial strain of illegal immigration is impossible to ignore. And
    even worse, these costs continue to rise as more resources are
    allocated to support illegal immigrants, further straining public
    budgets.

    Advocates often point to the taxes illegal immigrants pay—such as
    the $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022,
    according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. However,
    this figure fails to account for the broader economic reality: most
    illegal immigrants do not pay federal or state income taxes, do not
    contribute to Social Security or Medicare, and impose far greater
    costs on public services than they contribute in tax revenue.

    Even the argument that illegal immigrants boost GDP falls apart under
    scrutiny. The Center for Migration Studies at New York University
    claims that legalizing the undocumented population would contribute
    $1.2 trillion to the U.S. economy—an implicit acknowledgment that
    illegal immigrants, as they currently exist, are not meaningfully
    contributing. Unlike legal residents, many do not file tax returns
    and work off the books, meaning they bypass payroll taxes entirely.
    While illegal immigrants do pay sales taxes, excise taxes (on goods
    like gasoline and cigarettes), and property taxes (directly as
    homeowners or indirectly through rent), these payments would still be
    made if the jobs were held by U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.
    There is no unique economic benefit to having illegal workers in
    these roles.

    Moreover, much of the spending attributed to illegal immigrants is
    done with money they receive from government programs, creating an
    illusion of economic benefit. This cycle—where taxpayer money funds
    welfare programs that then enable illegal immigrants to spend in the
    economy—is presented by Democrats as an economic boost. In reality,
    it’s a redistribution of taxpayer dollars, not genuine economic
    growth.

    Hospitals are legally required to provide emergency care to all
    patients, regardless of immigration status. As a result, illegal
    immigrants frequently receive medical treatment without the
    ability—or obligation—to pay, leaving hospitals and taxpayers to
    absorb the costs. This unpaid medical debt strains healthcare
    systems, raises costs for insured patients, and has even contributed
    to hospital closures in areas with high concentrations of illegal
    immigration. Some states, such as California, have gone further by
    allocating taxpayer funds to provide free healthcare to illegal
    immigrants, adding to the financial burden.

    Beyond healthcare, illegal immigrants also consume a wide range of
    public services funded by taxpayers. Public schools are required to
    educate the children of illegal immigrants, costing billions
    annually. While illegal immigrants may not qualify for Social
    Security or Medicare, many of their U.S.-born children receive
    benefits through Medicaid, CHIP, food stamps (SNAP), Temporary
    Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), and housing assistance.
    Additionally, some states grant illegal immigrants in-state tuition,
    driver’s licenses, and direct financial aid. States with large
    illegal immigrant populations—such as California, Texas, Florida,
    and New York—bear the heaviest costs, particularly in education and
    welfare programs.

    Contrary to claims that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes, the
    data is often skewed by underreporting. Many jurisdictions,
    particularly sanctuary cities, do not record immigration status when
    reporting crimes, and some outright refuse to cooperate with federal
    immigration enforcement. Even if illegal immigrants committed crimes
    at a lower rate than citizens, they still add to the overall crime
    rate. Crimes committed by illegal immigrants would not be occurring
    if those individuals were not in the country to begin with. The costs
    of investigating, prosecuting, and incarcerating illegal immigrants
    are borne by taxpayers. Additionally, victims of crimes committed by
    illegal immigrants suffer losses—both financial and personal—that
    could have been avoided entirely.

    Illegal immigrants who drive often do so without valid licenses or
    insurance. When they cause accidents, the financial burden falls on
    the victims and their insurance providers. This results in higher
    premiums for law-abiding citizens, increasing costs across the board.
    Traffic violations and unpaid fines further contribute to municipal
    losses, as many illegal immigrants either evade enforcement or lack
    the means to pay.

    Any path to citizenship or economic benefits for illegal immigrants
    only incentivizes more illegal immigration. Democrats actively
    support the very programs driving illegal migration while
    simultaneously calling for increases in the minimum wage and the
    legalization of illegal immigrants. What they fail to acknowledge is
    that stopping illegal immigration would naturally cause wages in
    those fields to rise, making those jobs more attractive to legal
    residents and native-born workers, who would then contribute more to
    GDP.

    At the same time, Democrats constantly push for higher statutory
    minimum wages while advocating for increased illegal immigration.
    This contradiction undermines their own policies—if illegal
    immigration were halted, wages at the lower end of the labor market
    would rise organically as businesses adjusted to a legal workforce.
    No government-mandated minimum would be necessary.

    When weighing any contribution to GDP, the real cost of illegal
    immigration—public benefits, healthcare, law enforcement, and lost
    tax revenue—must also be considered. The net effect is a drain, not
    a gain'

    This is simply common sense.




    Indeed, just look how the economy
    has boomed since Trump took office.


    Try reading the article.
    Try asking the citizens of sanctuary cities how they feel about footing
    the bill for the illegals.
    Try asking the vets or other legal citizens of the US who are living on the streets
    due to being mentally or down on their luck how they feel about illegal migrants
    getting free cell phones, clothes, 4 star hotel rooms, free medical care etc.

    Common sense = come to this country legally, get properly vetted and you will be welcome
    here.
    Just as it always has been.


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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 16 15:05:52 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, talk.politics.guns XPost: misc.immigration.usa

    In article <vr7cl7$2d8f4$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...

    On 2025-03-16, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:vr4bg3$3tmat$[email protected]:

    On 2025-03-15, John Smyth <[email protected]> wrote:
    No kidding.

    'Illegal Immigration: A Massive Denon 300fNet Drain on U.S. Taxpayers' >>> >>><https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/illegal-immigration-massive-n >>>et-drain-u-s-taxpayers/>

    'he economic reality is clear: illegal immigration is not a net
    benefit to the United States. It is a burden that taxpayers, law
    enforcement, hospitals, and victims of crime are forced to bear?one
    that could be eliminated by enforcing immigration laws and
    prioritizing the well-being of legal residents and citizens.

    Studies from organizations such as the Center for Immigration Studies
    (CIS) have determined that illegal immigration creates a net fiscal
    drain, with the cost of public services far exceeding any
    contributions. A Manhattan Institute study estimates that the surge
    of illegal immigrants between 2021 and 2026 will cost taxpayers $1.15
    trillion over the lifetime of these new illegal immigrants?a figure
    larger than the entire U.S. defense budget and nearly equal to the
    cost of Social Security in 2023. With numbers this staggering, the
    financial strain of illegal immigration is impossible to ignore. And
    even worse, these costs continue to rise as more resources are
    allocated to support illegal immigrants, further straining public
    budgets.

    Advocates often point to the taxes illegal immigrants pay?such as
    the $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022,
    according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. However,
    this figure fails to account for the broader economic reality: most
    illegal immigrants do not pay federal or state income taxes, do not
    contribute to Social Security or Medicare, and impose far greater
    costs on public services than they contribute in tax revenue.

    Even the argument that illegal immigrants boost GDP falls apart under
    scrutiny. The Center for Migration Studies at New York University
    claims that legalizing the undocumented population would contribute
    $1.2 trillion to the U.S. economy?an implicit acknowledgment that
    illegal immigrants, as they currently exist, are not meaningfully
    contributing. Unlike legal residents, many do not file tax returns
    and work off the books, meaning they bypass payroll taxes entirely.
    While illegal immigrants do pay sales taxes, excise taxes (on goods
    like gasoline and cigarettes), and property taxes (directly as
    homeowners or indirectly through rent), these payments would still be
    made if the jobs were held by U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.
    There is no unique economic benefit to having illegal workers in
    these roles.

    Moreover, much of the spending attributed to illegal immigrants is
    done with money they receive from government programs, creating an
    illusion of economic benefit. This cycle?where taxpayer money funds
    welfare programs that then enable illegal immigrants to spend in the
    economy?is presented by Democrats as an economic boost. In reality,
    it?s a redistribution of taxpayer dollars, not genuine economic
    growth.

    Hospitals are legally required to provide emergency care to all
    patients, regardless of immigration status. As a result, illegal
    immigrants frequently receive medical treatment without the
    ability?or obligation?to pay, leaving hospitals and taxpayers to
    absorb the costs. This unpaid medical debt strains healthcare
    systems, raises costs for insured patients, and has even contributed
    to hospital closures in areas with high concentrations of illegal
    immigration. Some states, such as California, have gone further by
    allocating taxpayer funds to provide free healthcare to illegal
    immigrants, adding to the financial burden.

    Beyond healthcare, illegal immigrants also consume a wide range of
    public services funded by taxpayers. Public schools are required to
    educate the children of illegal immigrants, costing billions
    annually. While illegal immigrants may not qualify for Social
    Security or Medicare, many of their U.S.-born children receive
    benefits through Medicaid, CHIP, food stamps (SNAP), Temporary
    Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), and housing assistance.
    Additionally, some states grant illegal immigrants in-state tuition,
    driver?s licenses, and direct financial aid. States with large
    illegal immigrant populations?such as California, Texas, Florida,
    and New York?bear the heaviest costs, particularly in education and
    welfare programs.

    Contrary to claims that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes, the
    data is often skewed by underreporting. Many jurisdictions,
    particularly sanctuary cities, do not record immigration status when
    reporting crimes, and some outright refuse to cooperate with federal
    immigration enforcement. Even if illegal immigrants committed crimes
    at a lower rate than citizens, they still add to the overall crime
    rate. Crimes committed by illegal immigrants would not be occurring
    if those individuals were not in the country to begin with. The costs
    of investigating, prosecuting, and incarcerating illegal immigrants
    are borne by taxpayers. Additionally, victims of crimes committed by
    illegal immigrants suffer losses?both financial and personal?that
    could have been avoided entirely.

    Illegal immigrants who drive often do so without valid licenses or
    insurance. When they cause accidents, the financial burden falls on
    the victims and their insurance providers. This results in higher
    premiums for law-abiding citizens, increasing costs across the board.
    Traffic violations and unpaid fines further contribute to municipal
    losses, as many illegal immigrants either evade enforcement or lack
    the means to pay.

    Any path to citizenship or economic benefits for illegal immigrants
    only incentivizes more illegal immigration. Democrats actively
    support the very programs driving illegal migration while
    simultaneously calling for increases in the minimum wage and the
    legalization of illegal immigrants. What they fail to acknowledge is
    that stopping illegal immigration would naturally cause wages in
    those fields to rise, making those jobs more attractive to legal
    residents and native-born workers, who would then contribute more to
    GDP.

    At the same time, Democrats constantly push for higher statutory
    minimum wages while advocating for increased illegal immigration.
    This contradiction undermines their own policies?if illegal
    immigration were halted, wages at the lower end of the labor market
    would rise organically as businesses adjusted to a legal workforce.
    No government-mandated minimum would be necessary.

    When weighing any contribution to GDP, the real cost of illegal
    immigration?public benefits, healthcare, law enforcement, and lost
    tax revenue?must also be considered. The net effect is a drain, not
    a gain'

    This is simply common sense.




    Indeed, just look how the economy
    has boomed since Trump took office.


    Try reading the article.
    Try asking the citizens of sanctuary cities how they feel about footing
    the bill for the illegals.
    Try asking the vets or other legal citizens of the US who are living on the streets
    due to being mentally or down on their luck how they feel about illegal migrants
    getting free cell phones, clothes, 4 star hotel rooms, free medical care etc.

    Common sense = come to this country legally, get properly vetted and you will be welcome
    here.
    Just as it always has been.

    Tell it to the people raped and killed by fence jumpers that had been
    deported once before.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Sun Mar 16 21:41:38 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, talk.politics.guns XPost: misc.immigration.usa

    On 2025-03-16, Skeeter <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <vr7cl7$2d8f4$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...

    On 2025-03-16, Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
    pothead <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:vr4bg3$3tmat$[email protected]:

    On 2025-03-15, John Smyth <[email protected]> wrote:
    No kidding.

    'Illegal Immigration: A Massive Denon 300fNet Drain on U.S. Taxpayers' >> >>>
    <https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/illegal-immigration-massive-n >> >>>et-drain-u-s-taxpayers/>

    'he economic reality is clear: illegal immigration is not a net
    benefit to the United States. It is a burden that taxpayers, law
    enforcement, hospitals, and victims of crime are forced to bear?one
    that could be eliminated by enforcing immigration laws and
    prioritizing the well-being of legal residents and citizens.

    Studies from organizations such as the Center for Immigration Studies
    (CIS) have determined that illegal immigration creates a net fiscal
    drain, with the cost of public services far exceeding any
    contributions. A Manhattan Institute study estimates that the surge
    of illegal immigrants between 2021 and 2026 will cost taxpayers $1.15
    trillion over the lifetime of these new illegal immigrants?a figure
    larger than the entire U.S. defense budget and nearly equal to the
    cost of Social Security in 2023. With numbers this staggering, the
    financial strain of illegal immigration is impossible to ignore. And
    even worse, these costs continue to rise as more resources are
    allocated to support illegal immigrants, further straining public
    budgets.

    Advocates often point to the taxes illegal immigrants pay?such as
    the $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022,
    according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. However,
    this figure fails to account for the broader economic reality: most
    illegal immigrants do not pay federal or state income taxes, do not
    contribute to Social Security or Medicare, and impose far greater
    costs on public services than they contribute in tax revenue.

    Even the argument that illegal immigrants boost GDP falls apart under
    scrutiny. The Center for Migration Studies at New York University
    claims that legalizing the undocumented population would contribute
    $1.2 trillion to the U.S. economy?an implicit acknowledgment that
    illegal immigrants, as they currently exist, are not meaningfully
    contributing. Unlike legal residents, many do not file tax returns
    and work off the books, meaning they bypass payroll taxes entirely.
    While illegal immigrants do pay sales taxes, excise taxes (on goods
    like gasoline and cigarettes), and property taxes (directly as
    homeowners or indirectly through rent), these payments would still be
    made if the jobs were held by U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.
    There is no unique economic benefit to having illegal workers in
    these roles.

    Moreover, much of the spending attributed to illegal immigrants is
    done with money they receive from government programs, creating an
    illusion of economic benefit. This cycle?where taxpayer money funds
    welfare programs that then enable illegal immigrants to spend in the
    economy?is presented by Democrats as an economic boost. In reality,
    it?s a redistribution of taxpayer dollars, not genuine economic
    growth.

    Hospitals are legally required to provide emergency care to all
    patients, regardless of immigration status. As a result, illegal
    immigrants frequently receive medical treatment without the
    ability?or obligation?to pay, leaving hospitals and taxpayers to
    absorb the costs. This unpaid medical debt strains healthcare
    systems, raises costs for insured patients, and has even contributed
    to hospital closures in areas with high concentrations of illegal
    immigration. Some states, such as California, have gone further by
    allocating taxpayer funds to provide free healthcare to illegal
    immigrants, adding to the financial burden.

    Beyond healthcare, illegal immigrants also consume a wide range of
    public services funded by taxpayers. Public schools are required to
    educate the children of illegal immigrants, costing billions
    annually. While illegal immigrants may not qualify for Social
    Security or Medicare, many of their U.S.-born children receive
    benefits through Medicaid, CHIP, food stamps (SNAP), Temporary
    Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), and housing assistance.
    Additionally, some states grant illegal immigrants in-state tuition,
    driver?s licenses, and direct financial aid. States with large
    illegal immigrant populations?such as California, Texas, Florida,
    and New York?bear the heaviest costs, particularly in education and
    welfare programs.

    Contrary to claims that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes, the
    data is often skewed by underreporting. Many jurisdictions,
    particularly sanctuary cities, do not record immigration status when
    reporting crimes, and some outright refuse to cooperate with federal
    immigration enforcement. Even if illegal immigrants committed crimes
    at a lower rate than citizens, they still add to the overall crime
    rate. Crimes committed by illegal immigrants would not be occurring
    if those individuals were not in the country to begin with. The costs
    of investigating, prosecuting, and incarcerating illegal immigrants
    are borne by taxpayers. Additionally, victims of crimes committed by
    illegal immigrants suffer losses?both financial and personal?that
    could have been avoided entirely.

    Illegal immigrants who drive often do so without valid licenses or
    insurance. When they cause accidents, the financial burden falls on
    the victims and their insurance providers. This results in higher
    premiums for law-abiding citizens, increasing costs across the board.
    Traffic violations and unpaid fines further contribute to municipal
    losses, as many illegal immigrants either evade enforcement or lack
    the means to pay.

    Any path to citizenship or economic benefits for illegal immigrants
    only incentivizes more illegal immigration. Democrats actively
    support the very programs driving illegal migration while
    simultaneously calling for increases in the minimum wage and the
    legalization of illegal immigrants. What they fail to acknowledge is
    that stopping illegal immigration would naturally cause wages in
    those fields to rise, making those jobs more attractive to legal
    residents and native-born workers, who would then contribute more to
    GDP.

    At the same time, Democrats constantly push for higher statutory
    minimum wages while advocating for increased illegal immigration.
    This contradiction undermines their own policies?if illegal
    immigration were halted, wages at the lower end of the labor market
    would rise organically as businesses adjusted to a legal workforce.
    No government-mandated minimum would be necessary.

    When weighing any contribution to GDP, the real cost of illegal
    immigration?public benefits, healthcare, law enforcement, and lost
    tax revenue?must also be considered. The net effect is a drain, not
    a gain'

    This is simply common sense.




    Indeed, just look how the economy
    has boomed since Trump took office.


    Try reading the article.
    Try asking the citizens of sanctuary cities how they feel about footing
    the bill for the illegals.
    Try asking the vets or other legal citizens of the US who are living on the streets
    due to being mentally or down on their luck how they feel about illegal migrants
    getting free cell phones, clothes, 4 star hotel rooms, free medical care etc.

    Common sense = come to this country legally, get properly vetted and you will be welcome
    here.
    Just as it always has been.

    Tell it to the people raped and killed by fence jumpers that had been deported once before.

    Yes.
    And totally preventable unlike like home grown crime which is mostly not.

    The democrats will not even acknowledge these victims as shown by their refusing
    to stand during Trump's speech.

    THey are evil people and they proved it.

    --
    pothead
    Filter Free For A While.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Mar 16 17:14:16 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, talk.politics.guns XPost: misc.immigration.usa

    pothead wrote:
    Try asking the citizens of sanctuary cities how they feel about footing
    the bill for the illegals.

    We do not.

    Try asking the vets or other legal citizens of the US who are living on the streets

    We extend such aid as possible to all indigent without asking
    their immigration status.

    <https://sanjosespotlight.com/santa-clara-county-veterans-still-need-housing/>

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Mar 16 17:15:44 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.republicans, talk.politics.guns XPost: misc.immigration.usa

    pothead wrote:
    Yes.
    And totally preventable unlike like home grown crime which is mostly not.

    The democrats will not even acknowledge these victims as shown by their refusing
    to stand during Trump's speech.

    THey are evil people and they proved it.

    How many 'fence jumpers' are evil people?

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