• A quick search on _noticeable_ Linux improvements since 2014

    From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 2 12:23:44 2025
    Since 2014, the Linux kernel and its ecosystem have seen several notable improvements:

    "Rust Language Support: Initial support for the Rust programming
    language was added in Linux 6.1, released in December 2022, with further improvements in subsequent versions like Linux 6.2 and 6.3.

    Clang Compiler Support: Efforts to build the Linux kernel with Clang, an alternative compiler to GCC, were completed in 2017. The 4.15 release of
    the kernel included upstream patches to support building with Clang, and
    this support was backported to the 4.4, 4.9, and 4.14 stable branches.

    Scheduling Enhancements: The addition of the SCHED_DEADLINE scheduling
    policy in kernel version 3.14, released on March 30, 2014, provided
    real-time scheduling capabilities. In 2023, Peter Zijlstra proposed
    replacing the Completely Fair Scheduler (CFS) with an Earliest Eligible
    Virtual Deadline First (EEVDF) scheduler to improve real-time performance.

    Desktop Usability: Investments have been made to improve desktop Linux usability, making it more accessible and user-friendly. For example, the Electronics Corporation of Tamil Nadu (ELCOT) started recommending only
    Linux in June 2008, highlighting the growing adoption and usability of
    Linux on desktops[2].

    Linux on Supercomputers: By November 2017, all 500 of the world's top supercomputers were running Linux, showcasing its dominance in
    high-performance computing[2].

    Linux on Cloud and IoT: Microsoft announced Azure Sphere in April 2018,
    a Linux-based operating system for Internet of Things (IoT)
    applications, further expanding Linux's reach into cloud and IoT environments[2].

    Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) 2: In May 2019, Microsoft announced

    Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 (WSL 2), which includes a pre-installed
    Linux kernel, marking a significant integration of Linux into the
    Windows ecosystem[2].

    These improvements have collectively enhanced the performance, security,
    and usability of Linux across a wide range of devices and applications."

    It should be noted that Brave replaced noticeable with _notable_ because
    it too struggled to find anything that a user might actually notice.

    Meanwhile, I didn't mean to insult. It just happens that even the
    slightest form of criticism of Linux causes them to hyperventilate. Some
    could have said that no noticeable changes happened because it was
    already as good as it needed to be in 2014 or said that they've focused
    on optimizing the system. Instead, the know-it-all advocates have
    decided that insulting is the easier path. "The problem is between the
    keyboard and the screen," amirite?

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From Adison Vohn Caterson@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Sun Mar 2 18:44:02 2025
    On 2025-03-02, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    Since 2014, the Linux kernel and its ecosystem have seen several notable improvements:

    [SNIP]

    These improvements have collectively enhanced the performance, security,
    and usability of Linux across a wide range of devices and applications."

    It should be noted that Brave replaced noticeable with _notable_ because
    it too struggled to find anything that a user might actually notice.

    Meanwhile, I didn't mean to insult. It just happens that even the
    slightest form of criticism of Linux causes them to hyperventilate. Some could have said that no noticeable changes happened because it was
    already as good as it needed to be in 2014 or said that they've focused
    on optimizing the system. Instead, the know-it-all advocates have
    decided that insulting is the easier path. "The problem is between the keyboard and the screen," amirite?

    With openSUSE today, versus 5 years ago when I last tried it, I don't
    notice any difference. Using KDE. There's a Discover Software Center
    now.

    That's from a USER's perspective, of course.

    I care fuck all what the internet, toasters, run on ;)

    I still like this Linux distro though, and strongly advocate that people
    try it.... or not :)

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Adison Vohn Caterson on Sun Mar 2 21:23:20 2025
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 18:44:02 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

    With openSUSE today, versus 5 years ago when I last tried it, I don't
    notice any difference. Using KDE. There's a Discover Software Center
    now.

    I'm running the Fedora KDE spin and it has Discover. I very seldom use it running dnf or flatpak updates from Konsole. There is a updates available
    icon on the toolbar that I don't look at very often, just assuming there
    will be updates. dnf is a symlink to dnf5.

    Discover always seemed to take longer to come up and get the job done.

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  • From Adison Vohn Caterson@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Mar 2 22:43:24 2025
    On 2025-03-02, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 18:44:02 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

    With openSUSE today, versus 5 years ago when I last tried it, I don't
    notice any difference. Using KDE. There's a Discover Software Center
    now.

    I'm running the Fedora KDE spin and it has Discover. I very seldom use it running dnf or flatpak updates from Konsole. There is a updates available icon on the toolbar that I don't look at very often, just assuming there
    will be updates. dnf is a symlink to dnf5.

    Discover always seemed to take longer to come up and get the job done.

    I prefer also using Konsole zypper up,in commands... faster than YaST or PackageKit applet(update icon).

    I use Discover to see what's out there.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Adison Vohn Caterson on Sun Mar 2 23:04:03 2025
    On 2025-03-02, Adison Vohn Caterson <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 2025-03-02, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 18:44:02 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

    With openSUSE today, versus 5 years ago when I last tried it, I don't
    notice any difference. Using KDE. There's a Discover Software Center
    now.

    I'm running the Fedora KDE spin and it has Discover. I very seldom use it
    running dnf or flatpak updates from Konsole. There is a updates available
    icon on the toolbar that I don't look at very often, just assuming there
    will be updates. dnf is a symlink to dnf5.

    Discover always seemed to take longer to come up and get the job done.

    I prefer also using Konsole zypper up,in commands... faster than YaST or PackageKit applet(update icon).

    I use Discover to see what's out there.

    Interesting.
    I've never had much luck with OpenSuse or Fedora for that matter.
    I found Yast to be confusing, at least for me.
    With Fedora it seemed like I had to research getting things to work
    for me more than I should have to.
    For the longest time I've been using MXLinux and it's been fine.
    Recently I revisited linuxMint, this version Linux Mint 22.1 Cinnamon,
    and it's much improved. In fact I'm testing it now and at this point will
    move from MXLinux to linuxmint assuming I don't uncover any serious to me bugs. It's good to have choice.


    --
    Pothead
    Liberalism is a mental disease.
    "The Bidens’ Influence Peddling Timeline" https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to Adison Vohn Caterson on Sun Mar 2 21:04:26 2025
    On 2025-03-02 1:44 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
    On 2025-03-02, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    Since 2014, the Linux kernel and its ecosystem have seen several notable
    improvements:

    [SNIP]

    These improvements have collectively enhanced the performance, security,
    and usability of Linux across a wide range of devices and applications."

    It should be noted that Brave replaced noticeable with _notable_ because
    it too struggled to find anything that a user might actually notice.

    Meanwhile, I didn't mean to insult. It just happens that even the
    slightest form of criticism of Linux causes them to hyperventilate. Some
    could have said that no noticeable changes happened because it was
    already as good as it needed to be in 2014 or said that they've focused
    on optimizing the system. Instead, the know-it-all advocates have
    decided that insulting is the easier path. "The problem is between the
    keyboard and the screen," amirite?

    With openSUSE today, versus 5 years ago when I last tried it, I don't
    notice any difference. Using KDE. There's a Discover Software Center
    now.

    That's from a USER's perspective, of course.

    I care fuck all what the internet, toasters, run on ;)

    I still like this Linux distro though, and strongly advocate that people
    try it.... or not :)

    I never had trouble with openSUSE Tumbleweed, but I also didn't use it
    for an extended period of time. It was the first Linux distribution to
    properly support the MSI laptop I used to own. I know that its
    administrators are woke, but I wouldn't let it stop me from using it
    again if it still works as well as it used to. I'm not surprised that
    you too haven't noticed much of a change in five years.



    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to Adison Vohn Caterson on Sun Mar 2 21:20:46 2025
    On 2025-03-02 5:43 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
    On 2025-03-02, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 18:44:02 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

    With openSUSE today, versus 5 years ago when I last tried it, I don't
    notice any difference. Using KDE. There's a Discover Software Center
    now.

    I'm running the Fedora KDE spin and it has Discover. I very seldom use it
    running dnf or flatpak updates from Konsole. There is a updates available
    icon on the toolbar that I don't look at very often, just assuming there
    will be updates. dnf is a symlink to dnf5.

    Discover always seemed to take longer to come up and get the job done.

    I prefer also using Konsole zypper up,in commands... faster than YaST or PackageKit applet(update icon).

    I use Discover to see what's out there.

    Is what's out there any different than what was out there ten years ago?

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Mar 3 03:37:28 2025
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 23:04:03 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Interesting.
    I've never had much luck with OpenSuse or Fedora for that matter. I
    found Yast to be confusing, at least for me.
    With Fedora it seemed like I had to research getting things to work for
    me more than I should have to.

    Between bare metal and WSL installs I'm currently running Ubuntu, Fedora
    41 KDE, Fedora 42, OpenSUSE, Lubuntu, Debian, Kali, and Raspberry Pi OS.
    TBH, they all seem pretty much the same to me except for a little window dressing. The only odd one is RPi which uses some sort of bastardized
    GNOME 2 and can't do gVim. Vim works fine. Fedora has more frequent
    updates is about it.

    Besides setting up for a left handed mouse I customize very little and
    learn to live with what is default out of the box.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Adison Vohn Caterson on Mon Mar 3 03:28:00 2025
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 22:43:24 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

    On 2025-03-02, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 18:44:02 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

    With openSUSE today, versus 5 years ago when I last tried it, I don't
    notice any difference. Using KDE. There's a Discover Software Center
    now.

    I'm running the Fedora KDE spin and it has Discover. I very seldom use
    it running dnf or flatpak updates from Konsole. There is a updates
    available icon on the toolbar that I don't look at very often, just
    assuming there will be updates. dnf is a symlink to dnf5.

    Discover always seemed to take longer to come up and get the job done.

    I prefer also using Konsole zypper up,in commands... faster than YaST or PackageKit applet(update icon).

    I use Discover to see what's out there.

    After I wrote that I remembered in my OpenSUSE WSL instance it's zypper,
    not dnf. It would be great if all distros could use the same name.

    For a while Yast was SUSE's allstar. Did they manage to bloat that beyond repair? I usually don't go shopping with Discover, Software & Updates,
    and so forth. There are a set of programs that I install when I provision
    a new machine. For the most part they are the same for any Linux or
    Windows distro.

    Sometimes a site will have an article about the hot new things on flathub.
    I may poke around, yawn, and do about my business. I guess I'm not too adventuresome.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Mon Mar 3 04:09:00 2025
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 21:20:46 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:


    Is what's out there any different than what was out there ten years ago?

    Mu, Thonny, Arduino IDE v2, VS Code, .NET SDK, QGIS, Brave, ...

    None of those are Linux specific but they certainly weren't around 10
    years ago.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Mar 3 08:14:07 2025
    On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 06:59:04 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    For what I do, Linux was good in 2014. I'm sure there's improvements but nothing that really caught my attention in the last 10 years.

    Most of my work related stuff was C code going back 20 or more years with
    Motif for the GUIs. Vim hasn't changed that much either so in that context
    the only glitch was when gcc got snotty about multiply defined variables.

    A few third part libraries required a little tweaking. OpenSSL had some breaking changes between 1.1.1 and 3.0 (there was no 2.x).

    The Windows side was trickier. We had a map program that was developed
    with Visual C++ 6.0 that I could never successfully move to a newer environment. Too many MFC changes plus third party dependencies like
    LizardTech jpeg rendering libraries. At this point I'll never touch it
    again but I do have a old machine offline with VS 6.0.

    Not specific to Linux but many of the applications I use now weren't
    around in 2014. Some may not run on a 2014 OS due to Qt or gtk changes.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Mon Mar 3 06:56:05 2025
    CrudeSausage wrote:

    Since 2014, the Linux kernel and its ecosystem have seen several notable >improvements:

    (snip list)

    Updates in the Linux kernel are not supposed to be generally noticable
    by users. There's an application layer above it that users will
    more-easily notice.

    --
    "You idiots wrongly think you can redefine 'personal computing' to
    include Android smart phones." - some dumb fsck

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Mar 3 08:48:28 2025
    On 2025-03-02 11:09 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 21:20:46 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:


    Is what's out there any different than what was out there ten years ago?

    Mu, Thonny, Arduino IDE v2, VS Code, .NET SDK, QGIS, Brave, ...

    None of those are Linux specific but they certainly weren't around 10
    years ago.

    Those are applications that have become available TO Linux users, but
    even they aren't anything anyone would notice. If a person were using
    Firefox by default in 14.04, chances are they would still be using the
    browser ten years later since it does the job, has all their bookmarks
    and passwords.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Mar 3 08:53:05 2025
    On 2025-03-03 1:59 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-03, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-02 5:43 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
    On 2025-03-02, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 18:44:02 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

    With openSUSE today, versus 5 years ago when I last tried it, I don't >>>>> notice any difference. Using KDE. There's a Discover Software Center >>>>> now.

    I'm running the Fedora KDE spin and it has Discover. I very seldom use it >>>> running dnf or flatpak updates from Konsole. There is a updates available >>>> icon on the toolbar that I don't look at very often, just assuming there >>>> will be updates. dnf is a symlink to dnf5.

    Discover always seemed to take longer to come up and get the job done.

    I prefer also using Konsole zypper up,in commands... faster than YaST or >>> PackageKit applet(update icon).

    I use Discover to see what's out there.

    Is what's out there any different than what was out there ten years ago?

    For what I do, Linux was good in 2014. I'm sure there's improvements but nothing that really caught my attention in the last 10 years.

    The argument here should be that Linux doesn't _need_ to make obvious
    changes to the user experience because it has already reached a point
    where it satisfies current and new users. That would be a very good
    explanation as to why the big changes are under the hood.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to chrisv on Mon Mar 3 09:10:29 2025
    On 2025-03-03 7:56 a.m., chrisv wrote:
    CrudeSausage wrote:

    Since 2014, the Linux kernel and its ecosystem have seen several notable
    improvements:

    (snip list)

    Updates in the Linux kernel are not supposed to be generally noticable
    by users. There's an application layer above it that users will
    more-easily notice.

    That's exactly my point. In a decade, the Linux experience has been
    consistent. What has been improved is not noticeable to users but it
    also doesn't have to be. Assuming a user's hardware is properly
    supported by Ubuntu 14.04, there would be no advantage for them to
    migrate to 24.04 on a strictly experiential level. The new version would
    be more secure, potentially faster and might have a few new features or
    bug fixes in their choice of software, but the new version wouldn't
    immediately make them feel like anything significant has changed.

    I would take the example of the Infiniti QX60 as an example since I know
    the car very well. It was introduced in 2014 and that model ended in
    2020. In that time, the transmission became more robust and the front
    grille changed in appearance, but everything else including the console remained the same. Someone driving the 2014 would feel just as
    comfortable riding in the 2020. Going from the 2020 to the 2025 is a
    different story since Apple CarPlay was added, the number of cylinders decreased, the transmission changed in favour of an automatic and so on.
    Linux, to me, is the 2020 Infiniti QX60. It doesn't have the bells and
    whistles of the 2025, but it does a remarkable job and most of the
    initial problems have been resolved.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Tue Mar 4 21:07:17 2025
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 09:11:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I think UI customizations are (for the most part) more important to new
    Linux users who are experimenting. For someone like me, I just want the
    UI to look and work pretty much the way it did the last release or three releases earlier. (Small changes don't take too long to get used to. I
    may be in the minority here, I don't know.

    Some of the subreddits like r/Fedora often have posts 'look at the
    beautiful desktop I made'. Yawn.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Mar 4 16:50:25 2025
    On 2025-03-04 4:07 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 09:11:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I think UI customizations are (for the most part) more important to new
    Linux users who are experimenting. For someone like me, I just want the
    UI to look and work pretty much the way it did the last release or three
    releases earlier. (Small changes don't take too long to get used to. I
    may be in the minority here, I don't know.

    Some of the subreddits like r/Fedora often have posts 'look at the
    beautiful desktop I made'. Yawn.

    Meanwhile, Mac users all have the same desktop and use computers that
    all look exactly the same, and they still swear by their platform. It
    looks like aesthetics play a much smaller role in people's preferences
    than expected.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Wed Mar 5 03:39:04 2025
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 16:50:25 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 2025-03-04 4:07 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 09:11:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I think UI customizations are (for the most part) more important to
    new Linux users who are experimenting. For someone like me, I just
    want the UI to look and work pretty much the way it did the last
    release or three releases earlier. (Small changes don't take too long
    to get used to. I may be in the minority here, I don't know.

    Some of the subreddits like r/Fedora often have posts 'look at the
    beautiful desktop I made'. Yawn.

    Meanwhile, Mac users all have the same desktop and use computers that
    all look exactly the same, and they still swear by their platform. It
    looks like aesthetics play a much smaller role in people's preferences
    than expected.

    It doesn't pay to stand out in herd animals.

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Adison Vohn Caterson on Wed Mar 5 00:05:17 2025
    On 3/2/25 1:44 PM, Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
    On 2025-03-02, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    Since 2014, the Linux kernel and its ecosystem have seen several notable
    improvements:

    [SNIP]

    These improvements have collectively enhanced the performance, security,
    and usability of Linux across a wide range of devices and applications."

    It should be noted that Brave replaced noticeable with _notable_ because
    it too struggled to find anything that a user might actually notice.

    Meanwhile, I didn't mean to insult. It just happens that even the
    slightest form of criticism of Linux causes them to hyperventilate. Some
    could have said that no noticeable changes happened because it was
    already as good as it needed to be in 2014 or said that they've focused
    on optimizing the system. Instead, the know-it-all advocates have
    decided that insulting is the easier path. "The problem is between the
    keyboard and the screen," amirite?

    With openSUSE today, versus 5 years ago when I last tried it, I don't
    notice any difference. Using KDE. There's a Discover Software Center
    now.

    That's from a USER's perspective, of course.

    I care fuck all what the internet, toasters, run on ;)

    I still like this Linux distro though, and strongly advocate that people
    try it.... or not :)

    SUSE/OpenSUSE was always one of my faves - used
    it for desktops and servers. However a few years
    ago they dumbed it down - took away a bunch of
    old standard utilities. I often ran/parsed their
    output for info other pgms needed. They screwed
    that and thus a lot of stuff I'd worked hard on -
    and I didn't really forgive.

    DID get TumbleWeed/LXDE to run on a Pi-4 ... a
    little slow sometimes, but otherwise OK.

    Anyway, for most stuff these days, MX - have
    Manjaro on a couple of small utility boxes
    but may convert them to the latest MX soon.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Mar 5 06:12:51 2025
    On 4 Mar 2025 21:07:17 GMT, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote in <[email protected]>:

    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 09:11:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I think UI customizations are (for the most part) more important to new
    Linux users who are experimenting. For someone like me, I just want the
    UI to look and work pretty much the way it did the last release or
    three releases earlier. (Small changes don't take too long to get used
    to. I may be in the minority here, I don't know.

    Some of the subreddits like r/Fedora often have posts 'look at the
    beautiful desktop I made'. Yawn.

    Some people are interested in aesthetics, some people aren't.

    Some like chocolate ice cream, some like vanilla.

    Some people like to work in a park -- and some in
    a post-industrial cyber dystopia.

    Personally, I've been using xfce4 for years, and I have it
    set up the way I like. I _also_ have Cairo dock running, but
    I hardly use it -- just interested in how stable it is, because
    that's what I've got set up for Mrs. vallor.

    For me, Linux desktop porn is fun to look at, but I tend to keep
    things functional first.

    https://imgur.com/rsq4O0K

    --
    -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
    OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc5 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
    "When I gave her the ring, she gave me the finger."

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Thu Mar 6 08:37:17 2025
    On 2025-03-06 2:11 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-04, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-04 4:07 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 09:11:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I think UI customizations are (for the most part) more important to new >>>> Linux users who are experimenting. For someone like me, I just want the >>>> UI to look and work pretty much the way it did the last release or three >>>> releases earlier. (Small changes don't take too long to get used to. I >>>> may be in the minority here, I don't know.

    Some of the subreddits like r/Fedora often have posts 'look at the
    beautiful desktop I made'. Yawn.

    Meanwhile, Mac users all have the same desktop and use computers that
    all look exactly the same, and they still swear by their platform. It
    looks like aesthetics play a much smaller role in people's preferences
    than expected.

    Aesthetics don't mean that much to me, but a clunky UI is a pretty rapid
    deal killer. I consider Mac's OS slightly "clunky" But any OS (not Cinnamon) I consider slightly "clunky" these days. I'm pretty much set in my ways. It must have something to do with being old.

    MacOS is indeed clunky. Certain things which should be easy to do end up
    being more complicated simply because they are in MacOS. One example is switching from mirrored to extended when using two or more screens.
    Right now, the only benefit of using a Mac is in using the ARM-based
    processor.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to vallor on Thu Mar 6 20:10:04 2025
    vallor <[email protected]> wrote at 06:12 this Wednesday (GMT):
    On 4 Mar 2025 21:07:17 GMT, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 09:11:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I think UI customizations are (for the most part) more important to new
    Linux users who are experimenting. For someone like me, I just want the
    UI to look and work pretty much the way it did the last release or
    three releases earlier. (Small changes don't take too long to get used
    to. I may be in the minority here, I don't know.

    Some of the subreddits like r/Fedora often have posts 'look at the
    beautiful desktop I made'. Yawn.

    Some people are interested in aesthetics, some people aren't.

    Some like chocolate ice cream, some like vanilla.

    Some people like to work in a park -- and some in
    a post-industrial cyber dystopia.

    Personally, I've been using xfce4 for years, and I have it
    set up the way I like. I _also_ have Cairo dock running, but
    I hardly use it -- just interested in how stable it is, because
    that's what I've got set up for Mrs. vallor.

    For me, Linux desktop porn is fun to look at, but I tend to keep
    things functional first.

    https://imgur.com/rsq4O0K


    I'm somewhere in-between, I use a basic xfce4 setup but a ton of self
    drawn desktop icons and a custom background. Also conky and some static always-on-top images for fun.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 6 15:55:38 2025
    On 2025-03-06 10:32 a.m., Sn!pe wrote:
    CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:

    [...]

    MacOS is indeed clunky. Certain things which should be easy to do end up
    being more complicated simply because they are in MacOS. One example is
    switching from mirrored to extended when using two or more screens.


    Nonsense. Control of screen mirroring and extending
    is available with one click in the menu bar.

    One click to get into the bar, another to open up the screen controls
    and a third to choose which setting you want. How is that better than a keyboard combination as in Linux or Windows?

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Thu Mar 6 21:57:18 2025
    On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 07:11:00 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    Aesthetics don't mean that much to me, but a clunky UI is a pretty rapid
    deal killer. I consider Mac's OS slightly "clunky" But any OS (not
    Cinnamon)
    I consider slightly "clunky" these days. I'm pretty much set in my ways.
    It must have something to do with being old.

    Heresy: the more it looks like Windows (not Metro) the more I like it. I'm
    not fond of the Ubuntu 'Show Apps' display rather than a menu.

    Sort of related:

    https://betanews.com/2025/03/05/forget-google-chrome-and-firefox- librewolf-is-the-privacy-focused-browser-youve-been-looking-for/

    The Linux download is an AppImage. The file was no sooner downloaded than appimaged recognized it and integrated it into the 'Show Apps' panel and
    search bar.

    Like the article says for all purposes it looks like Firefox. I wonder if
    the Linux distros will move to it rather than Firefox.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Thu Mar 6 21:38:28 2025
    On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 07:06:48 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I guess some people are more artistic minded, but if you're actually
    using your computer, you don't see much of the desktop. At least that's
    been my experience.

    I have to scroll over to one of the desktops I'm not using to see it.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 6 17:30:49 2025
    On 2025-03-06 4:52 p.m., Sn!pe wrote:
    CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-03-06 10:32 a.m., Sn!pe wrote:
    CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:

    [...]

    MacOS is indeed clunky. Certain things which should be easy to do end up >>>> being more complicated simply because they are in MacOS. One example is >>>> switching from mirrored to extended when using two or more screens.


    Nonsense. Control of screen mirroring and extending
    is available with one click in the menu bar.


    One click to get into the bar, another to open up the screen controls
    and a third to choose which setting you want. How is that better than a
    keyboard combination as in Linux or Windows?


    I couldn't say, I haven't used 'Doze for 20 years or Linux for 15 except rarely in a VM. I suppose it comes down to the question: do you prefer
    the GUI and trackpad or the CLI and keyboard? I think it's rather harsh
    to describe macOS as clunky just because you prefer the keyboard.
    If I wanted to be rude, I could describe the CLI as old fashioned.

    There's no accounting for taste, eh?

    The CLI is indeed old-fashioned, but there are certain things that can
    be done a lot better in the CLI than in a GUI. The many imagemagick and libreoffice commands, for example.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Mar 7 07:38:33 2025
    rbowman wrote:

    RonB wrote:

    I guess some people are more artistic minded, but if you're actually
    using your computer, you don't see much of the desktop. At least that's
    been my experience.

    I have to scroll over to one of the desktops I'm not using to see it.

    This. It just doesn't matter much.

    --
    "In other words, you take what they give you and you better like it."
    - DumFSck, lying shamelessly

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Fri Mar 7 19:28:36 2025
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:04:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I don't have appimaged or AppImage Launcher installed so (on this
    machine, at least) the integration is not automatic.

    I only recently found appimaged. Trying to manually edit .desktop files
    and get anything to appear on the GNOME 'Show Apps' wasn't very fruitful.
    The Arduino IDE v2 is an appimage and after I installed the daemon it
    showed up. I was somewhat surprised that just downloading the LibreWolf
    file kicked the process off. I like things that just work.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 7 19:54:15 2025
    Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :

    Meanwhile, I didn't mean to insult.

    I don't care about insults, it wasn't the reason.

    It just happens that even the slightest form of criticism of Linux
    causes them to hyperventilate.

    It's the same here. I don't care about criticisms. What you said was
    just plain wrong and oblivious of everything new that happened. And I'm
    not saying everything new is good, I'm saying it happened, their impacts
    have been noted by the end users even if they didn't knew where they
    came from.

    Instead, the know-it-all advocates have decided that insulting is the
    easier path. "The problem is between the keyboard and the screen,"
    amirite?

    Sometimes, when speaking with a blind guy who refuses to see, the only
    way is to stop explaining. But I granted you information before that.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Fri Mar 7 20:04:30 2025
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 12:53:52 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    There are many examples where the modern CLI (and using shell scripts to
    run commands) are much more efficient than the GUI. Some people love
    their mouse a lot more than I do.

    On the Fedora box 'dnf update' from the command line seems much fater
    than messing around with the Discover GUI. I usually have several Konsole
    tabs open. That's particularly handy when working with different Python
    venvs.

    Even with VS Code I usually kick it off from the command line.

    This isn't only Linux. I do the same thing with Windows Terminal.
    Sometimes one of the tabs is a Linux shell and there is often another
    Terminal instance running as Administrator.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 7 20:16:16 2025
    Le 04-03-2025, RonB <[email protected]> a écrit :

    I'm sure there have been changes in the background (where developers live) but for us braindead "normal" Linux users, not a lot has changed in how we use Linux in the last ten years.

    Because normal users want to use their Linux computer like they are
    using their Windows computer. So there is no reason for people to change
    the way they are using their computers. But for people who are using
    their keyboard more heavily than their mouse, a lot of things changed.

    Some tools, like fzf, bring you new way to interact with your commands.
    Niri is a new way to use a tilling Window Manager. Some terminals like alacritty and kitty bring new ways to interact with the terminal. None
    of this existed ten years ago.

    Of course, unlike Windows or mac, nothing is imposed on the end users,
    so they can choose to use them or ignore them. But they are real
    nonetheless and people who want can improve the way they interact with
    their computer in ways that didn't exist ten years ago.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Fri Mar 7 15:47:30 2025
    On 2025-03-07 3:38 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-07, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:04:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I don't have appimaged or AppImage Launcher installed so (on this
    machine, at least) the integration is not automatic.

    I only recently found appimaged. Trying to manually edit .desktop files
    and get anything to appear on the GNOME 'Show Apps' wasn't very fruitful.
    The Arduino IDE v2 is an appimage and after I installed the daemon it
    showed up. I was somewhat surprised that just downloading the LibreWolf
    file kicked the process off. I like things that just work.

    I'll have to install it. I think I already have it on the computer that runs Linux Mint 22.

    By the way, you probably should know that LibreWolf have revealed
    themselves to be very woke. <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/firefox-fork-llibrewolf-declares>

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Sat Mar 8 01:29:48 2025
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 15:47:30 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 2025-03-07 3:38 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-07, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:04:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I don't have appimaged or AppImage Launcher installed so (on this
    machine, at least) the integration is not automatic.

    I only recently found appimaged. Trying to manually edit .desktop
    files and get anything to appear on the GNOME 'Show Apps' wasn't very
    fruitful.
    The Arduino IDE v2 is an appimage and after I installed the daemon it
    showed up. I was somewhat surprised that just downloading the
    LibreWolf file kicked the process off. I like things that just work.

    I'll have to install it. I think I already have it on the computer that
    runs Linux Mint 22.

    By the way, you probably should know that LibreWolf have revealed
    themselves to be very woke. <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/firefox-fork-llibrewolf-declares>

    Whatever happened to LundukeOS? In a perverse way I enjoy using the fruits
    of the wokes' labors if it doesn't cost me anything.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 8 01:46:22 2025
    On 07 Mar 2025 20:16:16 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Some tools, like fzf, bring you new way to interact with your commands.
    Niri is a new way to use a tilling Window Manager. Some terminals like alacritty and kitty bring new ways to interact with the terminal. None
    of this existed ten years ago.

    I live in a cave with the wolves. I never heard of any of them. That's not
    a criticism but unless you go looking you don't know. I didn't know about fastfetch until I installed it as part of the Fedora 43 WSL regression
    tests and it's been around. Now that I know, it's useful.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 8 10:05:18 2025
    On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 09:24:01 -0000 (UTC), RonB <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    On 2025-03-07, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 3:38 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-07, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:04:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I don't have appimaged or AppImage Launcher installed so (on this
    machine, at least) the integration is not automatic.

    I only recently found appimaged. Trying to manually edit .desktop
    files and get anything to appear on the GNOME 'Show Apps' wasn't very
    fruitful.
    The Arduino IDE v2 is an appimage and after I installed the daemon it
    showed up. I was somewhat surprised that just downloading the
    LibreWolf file kicked the process off. I like things that just work.

    I'll have to install it. I think I already have it on the computer
    that runs Linux Mint 22.

    By the way, you probably should know that LibreWolf have revealed
    themselves to be very woke. >><https://lunduke.substack.com/p/firefox-fork-llibrewolf-declares>

    I installed it using the repository method. I don't like that it doesn't
    keep track of things, like maximizing your window at startup, or your
    zoom or theme settings for specific sites. They say this is for
    security, but it seems like it's a little too much — at least for my
    taste.

    I had no idea that LibreWolf was Woke. I pretty much figure I won't be
    able to use much of anything if I look into the Woke factor too deeply
    for the applications I want to use.

    Now I see that they declare themselves to be "very Woke," so another
    reason to kick them to the curb.

    So much for LibreWolf.

    How soon will this boogieman be expunged from your ken?

    Before it was "hippie", now it's "wokie"(!).

    --
    -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
    OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc5 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
    "Radioactive halibut will make fission chips."

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to vallor on Sat Mar 8 08:00:47 2025
    vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 09:24:01 -0000 (UTC), RonB <[email protected]>
    wrote in <[email protected]>:

    <brevsnip>

    I had no idea that LibreWolf was Woke. I pretty much figure I won't be
    able to use much of anything if I look into the Woke factor too deeply
    for the applications I want to use.

    Now I see that they declare themselves to be "very Woke," so another
    reason to kick them to the curb.

    So much for LibreWolf.

    How soon will this boogieman be expunged from your ken?

    Before it was "hippie", now it's "wokie"(!).

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/pete-hegseth-banned-images-of-enola-gay-wwii-plane-in-dei-crackdown/

    Pete Hegseth Banned Images of ‘Enola Gay’ Plane in DEI Crackdown

    In Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s quest to nix all diversity, equity, and
    inclusion (DEI) content, some photos on the Pentagon’s website and online
    posts appear to be marked for deletion just because they include the word
    “gay”—regardless of what the context is.

    One such case, the Associated Press reported, is a photograph of the Enola
    Gay, the B-29 bomber that dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, in
    August 1945. In the picture, pilot Col. Paul Tibbets Jr. poses in front of
    the plane, which was named after his mother, Enola Gay Tibbets.

    Another photo that seems to have been mistakenly flagged is the headshot of
    Marine Corps Sgt. Maj. A.C. Gay. Other such photos show Army Corps of
    Engineer workers, one of whom also has the last name Gay.

    --
    Bringing computers into the home won't change either one, but may
    revitalize the corner saloon.

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Sat Mar 8 08:42:57 2025
    On 2025-03-08 4:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-07, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 3:38 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-07, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:04:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I don't have appimaged or AppImage Launcher installed so (on this
    machine, at least) the integration is not automatic.

    I only recently found appimaged. Trying to manually edit .desktop files >>>> and get anything to appear on the GNOME 'Show Apps' wasn't very fruitful. >>>> The Arduino IDE v2 is an appimage and after I installed the daemon it
    showed up. I was somewhat surprised that just downloading the LibreWolf >>>> file kicked the process off. I like things that just work.

    I'll have to install it. I think I already have it on the computer that runs
    Linux Mint 22.

    By the way, you probably should know that LibreWolf have revealed
    themselves to be very woke.
    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/firefox-fork-llibrewolf-declares>

    I installed it using the repository method. I don't like that it doesn't
    keep track of things, like maximizing your window at startup, or your zoom
    or theme settings for specific sites. They say this is for security, but it seems like it's a little too much — at least for my taste.

    I had no idea that LibreWolf was Woke. I pretty much figure I won't be able to use much of anything if I look into the Woke factor too deeply for the applications I want to use.

    Now I see that they declare themselves to be "very Woke," so another reason to kick them to the curb.

    So much for LibreWolf.

    It's Brave or nothing, the way that I see it.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Mar 8 08:42:18 2025
    On 2025-03-07 8:29 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 15:47:30 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 2025-03-07 3:38 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-07, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:04:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I don't have appimaged or AppImage Launcher installed so (on this
    machine, at least) the integration is not automatic.

    I only recently found appimaged. Trying to manually edit .desktop
    files and get anything to appear on the GNOME 'Show Apps' wasn't very
    fruitful.
    The Arduino IDE v2 is an appimage and after I installed the daemon it
    showed up. I was somewhat surprised that just downloading the
    LibreWolf file kicked the process off. I like things that just work.

    I'll have to install it. I think I already have it on the computer that
    runs Linux Mint 22.

    By the way, you probably should know that LibreWolf have revealed
    themselves to be very woke.
    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/firefox-fork-llibrewolf-declares>

    Whatever happened to LundukeOS? In a perverse way I enjoy using the fruits
    of the wokes' labors if it doesn't cost me anything.

    I think he quietly gave up on the idea when he realized that he wouldn't
    be getting lots of support.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sat Mar 8 20:40:11 2025
    On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 08:00:47 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    In Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s quest to nix all diversity,
    equity, and inclusion (DEI) content, some photos on the Pentagon’s
    website and online posts appear to be marked for deletion just
    because they include the word “gay”—regardless of what the context
    is.

    I assume the DoD has some very skilled database programmers.

    DELETE * FROM everything WHERE anything LIKE '%gay%'

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to CrudeSausage on Sat Mar 8 20:42:02 2025
    On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 08:42:57 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

    It's Brave or nothing, the way that I see it.

    That's my EDC browser. I keep Firefox around since for some strange
    reason Khan Academy videos don't work in Brave regardless of the shields setting.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Sun Mar 9 07:17:08 2025
    On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 04:23:52 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    On 2025-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 08:00:47 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    In Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s quest to nix all diversity,
    equity, and inclusion (DEI) content, some photos on the Pentagon’s >>> website and online posts appear to be marked for deletion just
    because they include the word “gay”—regardless of what the context
    is.

    I assume the DoD has some very skilled database programmers.

    DELETE * FROM everything WHERE anything LIKE '%gay%'

    Yeah, it looks like a picture of the Enola Gay, the WWII atomic bomb
    carrying plane, was inadvertently taken down.

    Back in the '70s a friend and I were visiting his mother, an old Maniac.
    He had non-standard shoes laces in his Chuck Taylor's, red iirc. "What gay shoelaces!" she said. Ladies of a certain age in upstate Maine weren't
    attuned to the changing usage.

    I remember at least two people from grade school / high school. One's last
    name was Gay and the other's given name was Gay (she was a she). Can't do
    much about the surname but I imagine Gay has fallen out of favor as a
    given name.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sun Mar 9 07:35:10 2025
    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    In Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth�s quest to nix all diversity, equity, and
    inclusion (DEI) content, some photos on the Pentagon�s website and online
    posts appear to be marked for deletion just because they include the word
    �gay��regardless of what the context is.

    Seems reasonable. Use automated tools to begin with, then correct the inevitable mistakes.

    --
    "yes, I definately do feel it is the OSS comunities fault." - Tom
    Shillton

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Mar 9 09:32:58 2025
    On 2025-03-08 3:42 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 08:42:57 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

    It's Brave or nothing, the way that I see it.

    That's my EDC browser. I keep Firefox around since for some strange
    reason Khan Academy videos don't work in Brave regardless of the shields setting.

    I keep going back to Edge, but within days realize that Brave is
    paradise and default back to it. Brave displays the web as it should be,
    where content is key. Every other browser displays the web as the
    companies want it to be, where content is bait and you have to navigate
    through nets of their annoying garbage.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Sun Mar 9 09:39:40 2025
    On 2025-03-08 11:18 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-08, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-08 4:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-07, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 3:38 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-07, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:04:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I don't have appimaged or AppImage Launcher installed so (on this >>>>>>> machine, at least) the integration is not automatic.

    I only recently found appimaged. Trying to manually edit .desktop files >>>>>> and get anything to appear on the GNOME 'Show Apps' wasn't very fruitful.
    The Arduino IDE v2 is an appimage and after I installed the daemon it >>>>>> showed up. I was somewhat surprised that just downloading the LibreWolf >>>>>> file kicked the process off. I like things that just work.

    I'll have to install it. I think I already have it on the computer that runs
    Linux Mint 22.

    By the way, you probably should know that LibreWolf have revealed
    themselves to be very woke.
    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/firefox-fork-llibrewolf-declares>

    I installed it using the repository method. I don't like that it doesn't >>> keep track of things, like maximizing your window at startup, or your zoom >>> or theme settings for specific sites. They say this is for security, but it >>> seems like it's a little too much — at least for my taste.

    I had no idea that LibreWolf was Woke. I pretty much figure I won't be able >>> to use much of anything if I look into the Woke factor too deeply for the >>> applications I want to use.

    Now I see that they declare themselves to be "very Woke," so another reason >>> to kick them to the curb.

    So much for LibreWolf.

    It's Brave or nothing, the way that I see it.

    No real uBlock Origin.

    You can make the ad blocking more aggressive which ends up being much
    like uBlock Origin. I keep it at the default setting, and everything is
    quite fine.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Mar 10 09:17:55 2025
    On 3/10/25 04:54, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-09, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-08 3:42 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 08:42:57 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

    It's Brave or nothing, the way that I see it.

    That's my EDC browser. I keep Firefox around since for some strange
    reason Khan Academy videos don't work in Brave regardless of the shields >>> setting.

    I keep going back to Edge, but within days realize that Brave is
    paradise and default back to it. Brave displays the web as it should be,
    where content is key. Every other browser displays the web as the
    companies want it to be, where content is bait and you have to navigate
    through nets of their annoying garbage.

    I guess I'm used to Firefox. I've tried Brave a couple times and have never been that impressed by it. I do use it on the old iPhone because Apple
    limits the iOS version of Firefox. I don't think they allow add-ons.

    In iOS, every browser is obligated to use Apple's WebKit as a base. The
    result is that Brave is more or less like a reskinned Safari rather than
    the real deal. It blocks ads the way that it should, and it syncs its information to other Brave instances you might have though.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From CrudeSausage@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Mar 10 09:21:53 2025
    On 3/10/25 04:56, RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-09, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-08 11:18 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-08, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-08 4:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-07, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-07 3:38 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2025-03-07, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 13:04:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I don't have appimaged or AppImage Launcher installed so (on this >>>>>>>>> machine, at least) the integration is not automatic.

    I only recently found appimaged. Trying to manually edit .desktop files
    and get anything to appear on the GNOME 'Show Apps' wasn't very fruitful.
    The Arduino IDE v2 is an appimage and after I installed the daemon it >>>>>>>> showed up. I was somewhat surprised that just downloading the LibreWolf
    file kicked the process off. I like things that just work.

    I'll have to install it. I think I already have it on the computer that runs
    Linux Mint 22.

    By the way, you probably should know that LibreWolf have revealed
    themselves to be very woke.
    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/firefox-fork-llibrewolf-declares>

    I installed it using the repository method. I don't like that it doesn't >>>>> keep track of things, like maximizing your window at startup, or your zoom
    or theme settings for specific sites. They say this is for security, but it
    seems like it's a little too much — at least for my taste.

    I had no idea that LibreWolf was Woke. I pretty much figure I won't be able
    to use much of anything if I look into the Woke factor too deeply for the >>>>> applications I want to use.

    Now I see that they declare themselves to be "very Woke," so another reason
    to kick them to the curb.

    So much for LibreWolf.

    It's Brave or nothing, the way that I see it.

    No real uBlock Origin.

    You can make the ad blocking more aggressive which ends up being much
    like uBlock Origin. I keep it at the default setting, and everything is
    quite fine.

    Maybe sometime in the future. As of now, I've got Firefox customized the way I like it and it's what I'm used to using.

    If it makes you feel better, just about every company out there seems to
    be embracing this DEI garbage, so there isn't truly a conservative
    alternative. Even Brave Search, apparently, limits the amount of conservative-leaning results you might get. It doesn't seem that way to
    me, but people have complained about it across the web. If you turn on
    Brave News, the sources are very "progressive" too, and there is a
    spattering of right-leaning sources. I'm thinking that they're trying to
    appeal to both sides, despite the fact that one side tried to destroy
    Brendan Eich's life. Of course, destroying everything they touch is
    pretty much the only thing "progressives" are capable of doing.

    --
    God be with you,

    CrudeSausage
    John 14:6

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Mar 10 22:36:55 2025
    On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 08:48:30 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I had a teacher in Bible College (in the mid 70s) who defiantly refused
    to bow down to the new meaning of "gay." He continued to use the word in
    its traditional sense and made to point he was doing it. He probably did
    this until he died (I think in the late 80s or early 90s, he was already pretty old in the 70s).

    I think 'Die fröhliche Wissenschaft' still gets translated as 'The Gay Science'. The first English translation by Common was 'The Joyful
    Wisdom'. Did he know something?

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