• All Done! Xeon W-1270P is Now Officially Complete

    From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 23 10:58:56 2025
    Start uncorking that champagne! My Xeon W-1270P is now
    officially complete!

    The important milestone of starting the X GUI has passed.

    Before today I had to work in the Linux console which can
    be a bitch. But now I have virtual terminals in X and the
    remaining work can proceed a lot faster.

    What remaining work? I've got to finish rebuilding about
    1,500 packages to take advantage of the much larger cache sizes.

    Cache optimization is extremely critical. Before the CPU can
    act upon it everything must first be shoved into the cache.
    RAM memory is only just another storage drive.

    The common, mainstream distros cannot optimize cache in any
    way. Thus every distro is crippled in performance.

    But not *my* machines.

    Let's start popping those corks! This machine is gonna kick
    ass!


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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Sun Feb 23 23:38:22 2025
    On 2025-02-23, Farley Flud <[email protected]> wrote:
    Start uncorking that champagne! My Xeon W-1270P is now
    officially complete!

    The important milestone of starting the X GUI has passed.

    Before today I had to work in the Linux console which can
    be a bitch. But now I have virtual terminals in X and the
    remaining work can proceed a lot faster.

    What remaining work? I've got to finish rebuilding about
    1,500 packages to take advantage of the much larger cache sizes.

    Cache optimization is extremely critical. Before the CPU can
    act upon it everything must first be shoved into the cache.
    RAM memory is only just another storage drive.

    The common, mainstream distros cannot optimize cache in any
    way. Thus every distro is crippled in performance.

    But not *my* machines.

    Let's start popping those corks! This machine is gonna kick
    ass!


    How long before you fubar it?



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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Farley Flud on Mon Feb 24 22:50:03 2025
    Farley Flud <[email protected]> wrote at 10:58 this Sunday (GMT):
    Start uncorking that champagne! My Xeon W-1270P is now
    officially complete!

    The important milestone of starting the X GUI has passed.

    Before today I had to work in the Linux console which can
    be a bitch. But now I have virtual terminals in X and the
    remaining work can proceed a lot faster.

    What remaining work? I've got to finish rebuilding about
    1,500 packages to take advantage of the much larger cache sizes.

    Cache optimization is extremely critical. Before the CPU can
    act upon it everything must first be shoved into the cache.
    RAM memory is only just another storage drive.

    The common, mainstream distros cannot optimize cache in any
    way. Thus every distro is crippled in performance.

    But not *my* machines.

    Let's start popping those corks! This machine is gonna kick
    ass!


    Best of luck!
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    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 10:01:52 2025
    Le 23-02-2025, Farley Flud <[email protected]> a écrit :
    Start uncorking that champagne!

    Certainly not. It's a bad quality wine. People like it because it's
    expensive and it looks like coca-cola, but I won't drink that if there's anything else available. And at home I've a lot of better choices to
    never need to uncork some Champagne.

    My Xeon W-1270P is now officially complete!

    Like everything with you: any simple task starts to be a challenge. It
    took you an amazing long time to do what anybody could have done in a
    few hours.

    The important milestone of starting the X GUI has passed.

    Let say that 30 years ago, starting a GUI was a challenge. It isn't
    one anymore. As always, you advocate Windows telling people that it's
    difficult to use Linux. But you are only proving your inability to do
    basic tasks.

    Before today I had to work in the Linux console which can
    be a bitch.

    Do you know you can use more than one console at the same time? It helps
    a little bit.

    What remaining work? I've got to finish rebuilding about
    1,500 packages to take advantage of the much larger cache sizes.

    So, three things:
    - That won't be faster in a virtual terminal than in the console.
    - Unlike what you claimed at the beginning, your computer isn't
    complete.
    - Why do you need to rebuild your packages? Couldn't you build them
    correctly the first time?

    Cache optimization is extremely critical.

    Yes. And difficult. With each one of your messages, you proved you
    aren't able to manage it. You should let your distro take care of it.
    You will only result with a messed up computer. You won't notice it, of
    course because you are not really using it and you are unable to
    compare. But it's obvious it'll be slower than the defaults.

    Before the CPU can
    act upon it everything must first be shoved into the cache.
    RAM memory is only just another storage drive.

    It's a little bit more subtle: that's why one can optimize the cache.
    The fact that's not exactly true show that you should avoid trying to do anything about it because you don't understand what you'll do.

    The common, mainstream distros cannot optimize cache in any
    way. Thus every distro is crippled in performance.

    In fact, they can and they do a pretty good job about it.

    But not *my* machines.

    Yes, let keep it that way. You make me laugh here but I won't take any
    advice coming from you. You mess up *your* machines as you want and
    that's bad enough.

    Let's start popping those corks! This machine is gonna kick
    ass!

    With your hard drives, it's impossible. Even Windows on a SSD will be
    faster than Linux on your computer. And it's telling how you advocate
    more Windows than Linux.

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 12:14:54 2025
    On 01 Mar 2025 10:01:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    Cache optimization is extremely critical.

    Yes. And difficult. With each one of your messages, you proved you
    aren't able to manage it. You should let your distro take care of it.
    You will only result with a messed up computer.


    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Totally wrong!

    The gcc compiler can optimize programs only if if knows
    the cache size in advance. GCC can be informed of the exact
    cache size by using the following options:

    --param l1-cache-size=X
    --param l1-cache-line-size=Y
    --param l2-cache-size=Z

    These options are automatically passed to GCC when using
    the "-march-native" option.

    Distros cannot do this. Distros most likely use
    the options "-mtune=generic -march=x86-64" which does
    not pass any information about cache size to GCC (how
    could it?).

    Consequently, the programs distributed with a distro
    are NOT optimized to use the CPU cache.

    Consequently, you are an IDIOT.


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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 12:26:30 2025
    On 01 Mar 2025 10:01:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Le 23-02-2025, Farley Flud <[email protected]> a écrit :
    Start uncorking that champagne!

    Certainly not. It's a bad quality wine. People like it because it's
    expensive and it looks like coca-cola, but I won't drink that if there's anything else available. And at home I've a lot of better choices to
    never need to uncork some Champagne.


    Ha, ha, ha, ha! What a bozo!

    Champagne is not about taste or quality. It's about the visual,
    auditory, and even tactile excitement that it produces.

    Popping the cork is like setting off fireworks. It creates a
    veritable explosion.

    The sight of the spewing and foaming contents is also a wonderful
    visual experience, and usually, people are deliberately splashed
    by the resulting fountain which causes further thrills.


    The important milestone of starting the X GUI has passed.

    Let say that 30 years ago, starting a GUI was a challenge. It isn't
    one anymore.


    Only if one uses a pre-built distro.

    Configuring "from scratch" is an entirely different story.



    Before today I had to work in the Linux console which can
    be a bitch.

    Do you know you can use more than one console at the same time? It helps
    a little bit.


    It only provides an illusion of convenience.

    Using spatially separated virtual terminals in a GUI is the best
    situation.

    You certainly try very hard to be an idiot.



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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 21:51:16 2025
    Le 01-03-2025, Farley Flud <[email protected]> a écrit :
    On 01 Mar 2025 10:01:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    Cache optimization is extremely critical.

    Yes. And difficult. With each one of your messages, you proved you
    aren't able to manage it. You should let your distro take care of it.
    You will only result with a messed up computer.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Totally wrong!

    Nope.

    Consequently, the programs distributed with a distro
    are NOT optimized to use the CPU cache.

    First, the number of available CPU is very limited: unlike you who are
    stuck in the past, the distro managers can have hints for what they need
    to do. Second the compilers have improved since the last time you
    checked: unlike you who are stuck in the past, the distro managers know
    how to use the modernity of the compilers to have hints to improve the optimization of the cache. Third the distro managers are very more knowledgeable than you: they proved it every day by doing every hour for thousand of computers what takes you weeks to do for only one computer.
    Fourth, every optimization you could happen to get by chance is lost
    with your old slow HDD.

    So, once again, you proved the distro managers do a great job when your
    lack of knowledge and incapacity to learn only let you make a joke of a computer slower than a Windows computer found in a shop. Which tells a
    lot.

    Consequently, you are an IDIOT.

    Yes, I already know that. Which proves, once again, that you can't tell
    me anything that I don't already know.

    And I already know you can use only one word to insult me. Which proves,
    once again, that you are very limited and as far as the artist you claim
    to be as is humanly possible.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 1 22:34:03 2025
    Le 01-03-2025, Farley Flud <[email protected]> a écrit :
    On 01 Mar 2025 10:01:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Le 23-02-2025, Farley Flud <[email protected]> a écrit :
    Start uncorking that champagne!

    Certainly not. It's a bad quality wine. People like it because it's
    expensive and it looks like coca-cola, but I won't drink that if there's
    anything else available. And at home I've a lot of better choices to
    never need to uncork some Champagne.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha! What a bozo!

    It's a little bit better than idiot, but not by far. Even a limited
    brain dead failure like you should be able to do better.

    Champagne is not about taste or quality. It's about the visual,
    auditory, and even tactile excitement that it produces.

    I have to drink some of it from time to time, so I know exactly what it
    tastes. And there's nothing exiting about the knowledge that for the
    same price I could have tasted something far better. Of course, I'm
    French and you are American, so unlike you what I drink and eat is
    important to me. You can't understand that some drink and food are
    better than others and it's important for me to be able to put something
    good in my stomach.

    Popping the cork is like setting off fireworks. It creates a
    veritable explosion.

    The sight of the spewing and foaming contents is also a wonderful
    visual experience, and usually, people are deliberately splashed
    by the resulting fountain which causes further thrills.

    OK, so for once, I'll lower my level to adapt to your level. You already
    said here you shit in your basement. So for once, try to go to the
    toilets instead. Then before pushing the button to throw everything
    away: put your head in it. It wont be about the taste or the pleasure,
    it will be about the experience of the veritable explosion provided by
    the splash of the fountain. Nothing exiting about that? So don't tell me
    what should excite me or not.

    For the record, when I say that Champagne is a bad quality wine, I
    tasted some of it from their makers and some of it with a lot of intermediaries. And the further you go from from the production
    vineyard, the worse it becomes because it's very fragile and don't go
    far away without issues. So I strongly believe that in the USA, it's far
    worse than what I tasted.

    So I'm certainly not interested in your bad quality tastes.

    The important milestone of starting the X GUI has passed.

    Let say that 30 years ago, starting a GUI was a challenge. It isn't
    one anymore.

    Only if one uses a pre-built distro.

    No. Only if ones use the modern tools to get the job done.

    Configuring "from scratch" is an entirely different story.

    That means nothing. You could have used your old .fvwm file. You could
    have used tools that helps you recognize your screen. A lot of tools
    appeared since the last time you checked to help you configure easily
    xorg or wayland exactly to your needs.

    Your inability to manage something easy, doesn't makes it difficult, it
    only shows how incompetent you are. You should buy a Windows computer,
    it will be faster than your computer, it will run out of the box and it
    will stop to let you advocate Windows pretending you are advocating
    Linux.

    Before today I had to work in the Linux console which can
    be a bitch.

    Do you know you can use more than one console at the same time? It helps
    a little bit.


    It only provides an illusion of convenience.

    No, it provides you the possibility to have many terminals opened at the
    same time. Being able to edit a file and to test the results of your
    changes without the need to close the editor is not an illusion: it's a
    real help.

    Using spatially separated virtual terminals in a GUI is the best
    situation.

    I'm not saying that terminals opened on the same screen aren't better
    than consoles opened at the same time which need to be switched to use
    them. I'm saying that it's easier than only one console.

    You certainly try very hard to be an idiot.

    Once again, your only word to insult me. Very limited. And, by the way,
    I'm not the one who needs weeks, if not months, to install a GUI on his computer.

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 2 15:15:06 2025
    On 01 Mar 2025 21:51:16 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    First, the number of available CPU is very limited: unlike you who are
    stuck in the past, the distro managers can have hints for what they need
    to do. Second the compilers have improved since the last time you
    checked: unlike you who are stuck in the past, the distro managers know
    how to use the modernity of the compilers to have hints to improve the optimization of the cache. Third the distro managers are very more knowledgeable than you: they proved it every day by doing every hour for thousand of computers what takes you weeks to do for only one computer. Fourth, every optimization you could happen to get by chance is lost
    with your old slow HDD.


    First, you are an idiot.

    Second, you are an idiot.

    Third, you are an idiot.

    Fourth, you are an idiot.

    I explained, in perfect technical detail, how GCC is able to optimize
    for cache size when building software.

    Can *you* explain, in perfect technical detail, how your "distro
    managers" are able to optimize for cache when they cannot ever know
    beforehand the exact size of a user's cache?

    No, you cannot. You cannot because it is not possible.

    Generic distros are inferior to building "from scratch."

    The prime test for optimized cache effects is matrix arithmetic
    and this is benchmarked with the SciMark4 program:

    https://math.nist.gov/scimark2/download_c.html

    A comparison using a cache optimized SciMark4 will blow a generic
    distro out of the water.

    I told you before: Do not attempt to argue with a GNU/Linux master.

    Do not ever forget: I am master; you are lackey.


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