“Dozens of things you can do to clean up a fresh install of Windows 11Ah, but if you do a lot of this, your time is worth a lot.
24H2 and Edge” <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/what-i-do-to-clean-up-a-clean-install-of-windows-11-23h2-and-edge/>.
Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next
chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install!
Ah, but if you do a lot of this, your time is worth a lot.
Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next
chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install!
On 2/21/2025 4:48 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next
chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install!
It's amusing that a variety of lying Linux idiots thru the years have
claimed it takes week(s) to install/configure Windows.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
“Dozens of things you can do to clean up a fresh install of Windows 11
24H2 and Edge”
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/what-i-do-to-clean-up-a-clean-install-of-windows-11-23h2-and-edge/>.
Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next
chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install!
I'm grateful for Linux.
On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 21:29:42 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Without Linux, all computers would become useless like my
father-in-law's Surface RT is now.
Windows “RT” = “Reduced Technology”.
Without Linux, all computers would become useless like my
father-in-law's Surface RT is now.
Without Linux, all computers would become useless like my
father-in-law's Surface RT is now. It turns on, but you can't update it
or use the Store. You are essentially locked out of everything because
the company decided it won't be supported anymore. It won't even let you update to the latest version it supports. Even Apple isn't that
horrible.
If they could only have made it a little less complicated to install
Linux on it. It's underpowered, so I'm not sure if there is even a
point, but Linux would have prevented it from being recycled. At this
point, it doesn't look like I have much of a choice but to drop it off
at the nearest electronics store.
some dumb fsck wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next
chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install!
It's amusing that a variety of lying Linux idiots thru the years have
claimed it takes week(s) to install/configure Windows.
some dumb fsck wrote:
(snip lies)
Way to miss Lawrence's point, goofball,
On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 21:29:42 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Without Linux, all computers would become useless like my
father-in-law's Surface RT is now. It turns on, but you can't update it
or use the Store. You are essentially locked out of everything because
the company decided it won't be supported anymore. It won't even let you
update to the latest version it supports. Even Apple isn't that
horrible.
https://hackaday.com/2024/02/02/your-surface-rt-can-become-useful-again- with-raspberry-pi-os/
I'm running Raspberry Pi OS on a RPi 5 and it isn't going to set any benchmark records but it is perfectly usable. The 32bit OS will have some limitations. For example VS Code is 64bit only. I have the same
limitations with my 32bit Debian box. however the RT will be useful for something other than a doorstop.
I haven't heard much about Microsoft's latest ARM attempt. I wouldn't jump
on that one either. It's unfortunate that MS screwed up the first time around. I don't know if it was them or the press and vendors that didn't clearly convey that it was not the Windows people expected.
chrisv <[email protected]d> wrote:
Joel wrote:
some dumb fsck wrote:
(snip lies)
Way to miss Lawrence's point, goofball,
Any hyperbole or unfairness from Linux advocates pales in comparison
to the avalanche of idiocy and lies from the haters. Documented ad >>nauseum, in here.
The only reason I promoted Win7 here, in the past, was because at the
time it really did represent something new and improved in computing.
Today, Linux is hands-down the winner.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
“Dozens of things you can do to clean up a fresh install of Windows 11 >>24H2 and Edge” >><https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/what-i-do-to-clean-up-a-clean- install-of-windows-11-23h2-and-edge/>.
Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next
chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install!
I'm grateful for Linux.
On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 21:21:06 -0500, Joel wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:install-of-windows-11-23h2-and-edge/>.
“Dozens of things you can do to clean up a fresh install of Windows 11 >>> 24H2 and Edge”
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/what-i-do-to-clean-up-a-clean-
Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next
chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install!
I'm grateful for Linux.
Yes, I find Linux faster and easier to install than Windows (and it's not just the assume-you're-a-thief codes).
On 2025-02-22, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:
chrisv <[email protected]d> wrote:
Joel wrote:
some dumb fsck wrote:
(snip lies)
Way to miss Lawrence's point, goofball,
Any hyperbole or unfairness from Linux advocates pales in comparison
to the avalanche of idiocy and lies from the haters. Documented ad
nauseum, in here.
The only reason I promoted Win7 here, in the past, was because at the
time it really did represent something new and improved in computing.
Today, Linux is hands-down the winner.
Linux is the winner?
At what?
I run Linux on this Thinkpad Yoga 14 because Windows 11 won't run on it,
and Windows 10 is dead soon. So in that case Linux is better.
This laptop can be folded into a tablet, and I can tell you that under
Win 10, worked a charm. Under Linux, screen orientation doesn't work,
virtual keyboard doesn't work. I only get a virtual keyboard at the
logon screen.
On a 15" Alienware laptop, it's had Windows 11 on it for 3+ years.
Runs great, has never blue screened, locked up, refused to do my
bidding. Some Windows updates have broken the Dell Support App and the Alienware Command Center, but a fix usually comes from MS or Dell, or a
Revo uninstall/reinstall fixes it. I wouldn't even bother putting Linux
on the Alienware, as I doubt selecting which video card I want is an
option under Linux, and I doubt fan control would be as easy under Linux
as it is with Windows 11.
Windows 11 is a computing tool.
Linux is a computing tool.
The choices being available is the winner.
On Sat, 2/22/2025 12:23 PM, Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
On 2025-02-22, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:
chrisv <[email protected]d> wrote:
Joel wrote:
some dumb fsck wrote:
(snip lies)
Way to miss Lawrence's point, goofball,
Any hyperbole or unfairness from Linux advocates pales in comparison
to the avalanche of idiocy and lies from the haters. Documented ad
nauseum, in here.
The only reason I promoted Win7 here, in the past, was because at the
time it really did represent something new and improved in computing.
Today, Linux is hands-down the winner.
Linux is the winner?
At what?
I run Linux on this Thinkpad Yoga 14 because Windows 11 won't run on it,
and Windows 10 is dead soon. So in that case Linux is better.
This laptop can be folded into a tablet, and I can tell you that under
Win 10, worked a charm. Under Linux, screen orientation doesn't work,
virtual keyboard doesn't work. I only get a virtual keyboard at the
logon screen.
On a 15" Alienware laptop, it's had Windows 11 on it for 3+ years.
Runs great, has never blue screened, locked up, refused to do my
bidding. Some Windows updates have broken the Dell Support App and the
Alienware Command Center, but a fix usually comes from MS or Dell, or a
Revo uninstall/reinstall fixes it. I wouldn't even bother putting Linux
on the Alienware, as I doubt selecting which video card I want is an
option under Linux, and I doubt fan control would be as easy under Linux
as it is with Windows 11.
Windows 11 is a computing tool.
Linux is a computing tool.
The choices being available is the winner.
Thinkpad Yoga 14 $1100 Reviewed February 11, 2015
1TB hard drive with an extra 16GB of solid-state cache... <=== boo and/or hiss (until the cache fails)
Core i5-4210U 2C 4T 15W 2.7GHz 4th gen Haswell
HD Graphics 4400 ~WDDM 2.0 or so
8GB of RAM
No mention of TPM, Secure Boot, UEFI
Win11 can be installed via Rufus-prepared USB stick. In
the same way my 4930K is currently running Windows 11.
Got there, using a Rufus.ie web site USB stick program.
Which can make a USB stick for a Linux ISO, or for a Windows ISO.
Uses SysLinux boot materials to make the stick boot.
If it really has a "hard drive" in it today, it would be
as slow as molasses at absolute zero, at boot time. Just deleting
the contents of the LCU folder (Last Cumulative Update), took
me ten minutes yesterday (my 1TB hard drive setup for commiserating
with HDD users). For one folder delete. You would want an SSD in
place of the hard drive, to improve the situation a bit.
You can get a 2.5" SSD, a Lexar, for around CDN $40 a piece.
That's what I use for scratch installs here. 256GB.
I noticed the slow NTFS HDD delete issue, on the Insider at first.
That the delete time of NTFS, it was taking a lot longer to delete.
Turning off Windows Defender didn't help. Even an SSD only helps a bit,
but every little bit counts at a time like that.
Paul
But your background determines whether you will have an easy time of
it or not. I had fifteen years of Unix, so at least the concepts
weren't strange when I saw them. There is still a /etc/fstab
and a /etc/mtab and even the df (diskfree) and the ls (Listdir)
we had in Unix.
People who have used Windows, and never adjusted a thing on their
computer while doing so, those are not going to be good candidates
for a transition. Just getting the USB stick prepared, that's
going to be an ordeal.
A few people don't know what a USB stick is :-) There is no bottom
to this barrel. It's going to be a bottomless barrel of fun, to
move the Windows refugees onto something else. Hours of labor to save
one drowning soul. Times 400,000,000 or so.
I've run into people, despite my instructing them on entering
the BIOS or using the popup boot, they can't get their OEM computer
to boot from a USB stick.
Like, if someone names an arbitrary video card (let us pick the
FX5200 as an example), how would that affect my Linux experience ?
There is still a /etc/fstab and a /etc/mtab ...
Core i5-4210U 2C 4T 15W 2.7GHz 4th gen Haswell
Adison Vohn Caterson <[email protected]d> wrote:
I [Joel W. Crump] promoted Win7 here [COLA], in the past [2009-2010], [...] because at the
time it really did represent something new and improved in computing. >>>>>>> Today, Linux is hands-down the winner.
Linux is the winner?
At what?
If it makes no difference which platform one is using, then Linux is >>>>> the winner by default. That became true before the release of
Windows 11.
That kinda makes no sense.
If the OS makes no diffence to the user, that it's a tie, or a >>>>non-issue. A no-win situation.
A tie makes the elegant and free Linux the obvious winner.
A tie is a no-win situation.
For you and your situation, Linux is better.
Not sure what elegance you see... visually, Windows "looks" better.
Wrong.
I run Linux on this Thinkpad Yoga 14 because Windows 11 won't run on it, >>>>>>and Windows 10 is dead soon. So in that case Linux is better.
This laptop can be folded into a tablet, and I can tell you that under >>>>>>Win 10, worked a charm. Under Linux, screen orientation doesn't work, >>>>>>virtual keyboard doesn't work. I only get a virtual keyboard at the >>>>>>logon screen.
On a 15" Alienware laptop, it's had Windows 11 on it for 3+ years. >>>>>>Runs great, has never blue screened, locked up, refused to do my >>>>>>bidding. Some Windows updates have broken the Dell Support App and the >>>>>>Alienware Command Center, but a fix usually comes from MS or Dell, or a >>>>>>Revo uninstall/reinstall fixes it. I wouldn't even bother putting Linux >>>>>>on the Alienware, as I doubt selecting which video card I want is an >>>>>>option under Linux, and I doubt fan control would be as easy under Linux >>>>>>as it is with Windows 11.
Windows 11 is a computing tool.
Linux is a computing tool.
The choices being available is the winner.
Win11 is OK on hardware that handles it. Win10 is still OK on a good >>>>> bit of other hardware and on the same hardware for people who don't
want 11. I guess the $30 charge would be fair except I did
voluntarily pay again in 2021, $200, so my upgrade to 11 was
immediate. Why can't I freely choose between 11 and 10, on this
device, during the extended-security-update-availability period?
Microsoft I would think have no financial gain to support the OS past >>>>the 7 years or whatever time period they choose. I wouldn't do free work >>>>7 years after I did the initial work, I'd want money :)
Whether these changes, updates, upgrades are of value to the user is up >>>>to the user. If one prefers free, pay once forever, want the computer to >>>>last 15 years, Linux would likely be the only choice.
But if one just has to have MS Office, or some tax software, or some >>>>device integration that only Windows provides, that's what they'll use. >>>>The usual preference is that the computer came with the OS, meaning no >>>>preference.
I don't like Apple macOS - but it is as good as Windows and Linux.
If you see where I'm going with this.
I do.
You have an opinion.
Yay.
No, an observation.
Adison Vohn Caterson <[email protected]d> wrote:
I [Joel W. Crump] promoted Win7 here [COLA], in the past [2009-2010], [...] because at the
time it really did represent something new and improved in computing. >>>>>>>>> Today, Linux is hands-down the winner.
Linux is the winner?
At what?
If it makes no difference which platform one is using, then Linux is >>>>>>> the winner by default. That became true before the release of
Windows 11.
That kinda makes no sense.
If the OS makes no diffence to the user, that it's a tie, or a >>>>>>non-issue. A no-win situation.
A tie makes the elegant and free Linux the obvious winner.
A tie is a no-win situation.
For you and your situation, Linux is better.
Not sure what elegance you see... visually, Windows "looks" better.
Wrong.
Then explain how Linux is the winner?
What's it winning?
If Russia nuked New York, they'd only kill 5 Linux users.
Not counting Android, we're talking PC's.
Windows 11 has a pretty layout but so does Cinnamon.
I run Linux on this Thinkpad Yoga 14 because Windows 11 won't run on it,
and Windows 10 is dead soon. So in that case Linux is better. >>>>>>>>This laptop can be folded into a tablet, and I can tell you that under >>>>>>>>Win 10, worked a charm. Under Linux, screen orientation doesn't work, >>>>>>>>virtual keyboard doesn't work. I only get a virtual keyboard at the >>>>>>>>logon screen.
On a 15" Alienware laptop, it's had Windows 11 on it for 3+ years. >>>>>>>>Runs great, has never blue screened, locked up, refused to do my >>>>>>>>bidding. Some Windows updates have broken the Dell Support App and the >>>>>>>>Alienware Command Center, but a fix usually comes from MS or Dell, or a >>>>>>>>Revo uninstall/reinstall fixes it. I wouldn't even bother putting Linux >>>>>>>>on the Alienware, as I doubt selecting which video card I want is an >>>>>>>>option under Linux, and I doubt fan control would be as easy under Linux
as it is with Windows 11.
Windows 11 is a computing tool.
Linux is a computing tool.
The choices being available is the winner.
Win11 is OK on hardware that handles it. Win10 is still OK on a good >>>>>>> bit of other hardware and on the same hardware for people who don't >>>>>>> want 11. I guess the $30 charge would be fair except I did
voluntarily pay again in 2021, $200, so my upgrade to 11 was
immediate. Why can't I freely choose between 11 and 10, on this >>>>>>> device, during the extended-security-update-availability period?
Microsoft I would think have no financial gain to support the OS past >>>>>>the 7 years or whatever time period they choose. I wouldn't do free work >>>>>>7 years after I did the initial work, I'd want money :)
Whether these changes, updates, upgrades are of value to the user is up >>>>>>to the user. If one prefers free, pay once forever, want the computer to >>>>>>last 15 years, Linux would likely be the only choice.
But if one just has to have MS Office, or some tax software, or some >>>>>>device integration that only Windows provides, that's what they'll use. >>>>>>The usual preference is that the computer came with the OS, meaning no >>>>>>preference.
I don't like Apple macOS - but it is as good as Windows and Linux.
If you see where I'm going with this.
I do.
You have an opinion.
Yay.
No, an observation.
Other than on your computer, what observations lead you to believe Linux
is winning?
Capturing me as a new user doesn't count.
I'm part time, yet to be seized by the rapture.
It's not even contestable, Linux wins because it isn't the behemoth.
If Russia nuked New York, they'd only kill 5 Linux users.
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 20:44:41 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
If Russia nuked New York, they'd only kill 5 Linux users.
The entire Internet runs on Linux. Like it or not, you’re one of those “Linux users” right now.
Adison Vohn Caterson <[email protected]d> wrote:
Linux wins because it isn't the behemoth.
I knew it was just the company.
I don't like WalMart, but I will secretly shop there ;)
Linux supports my WiFi, made in China, edge technology as WiFi6 is
evolving, same maker with WiFi7 on Windows. It's a new era.
On 2025-02-23, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:
Adison Vohn Caterson <[email protected]d> wrote:
Linux wins because it isn't the behemoth.
I knew it was just the company.
I don't like WalMart, but I will secretly shop there ;)
Linux supports my WiFi, made in China, edge technology as WiFi6 is
evolving, same maker with WiFi7 on Windows. It's a new era.
This openSUSE install went well, and other than screen orientation and virtual keyboard, everything worked OOTB.
My first Linux use was SUSE 10.1, bought in a box from a store.
It was aggravating to get it running, I mostly remember having to get a serial port modem, would not use my internal modem (I think US Robotics).
Tried Ubuntu, Fedora in between, been 5 years since I've tried again.
It's a computer.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-02-23 5:23 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
It's a computer.
A lot of people, myself included, feel that their choice of operating
system will make a social, political or economic difference in the
world. I agree with you now: it's a computer. The operating system you
use should be the one which properly supports the hardware you
purchased. For a lot of hardware, that will be Windows or MacOS.
Sometimes, Linux does a better job on that hardware, but that is rare.
It's a computer. But Linux on my system clearly demonstrates that it
has won the game.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
It's a computer. But Linux on my system clearly demonstrates that it
has won the game.
On _your_ computer.
What's stopping you from buying a computer exactly like mine?
On the MSI GT72 I gave away, it couldn't suspend
unless I used openSUSE. On this laptop, it works fine but I can't get
the fingerprint reader to work and the proprietary drivers constantly
break on Fedora... on Manjaro, everything mostly works except hibernate
which requires a forced shutdown. I can only imagine how well it will
work on the incoming Macbook Air, but I admittedly don't know if I even
want to use Linux over the outdated MacOS Monterey which I know will
work right.
We do of course have to factor in realism.
On 2025-02-24 11:31 a.m., Joel wrote:
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
It's a computer. But Linux on my system clearly demonstrates that it
has won the game.
On _your_ computer.
What's stopping you from buying a computer exactly like mine?
I want a portable game machine. Is that what you own?
A lot of people, myself included, feel that their choice of operating
system will make a social, political or economic difference in the
world.
On 2025-02-23 5:23 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
On 2025-02-23, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:
Adison Vohn Caterson <[email protected]d> wrote:
Linux wins because it isn't the behemoth.
I knew it was just the company.
I don't like WalMart, but I will secretly shop there ;)
Linux supports my WiFi, made in China, edge technology as WiFi6 is
evolving, same maker with WiFi7 on Windows. It's a new era.
This openSUSE install went well, and other than screen orientation and
virtual keyboard, everything worked OOTB.
My first Linux use was SUSE 10.1, bought in a box from a store.
It was aggravating to get it running, I mostly remember having to get a
serial port modem, would not use my internal modem (I think US Robotics).
Tried Ubuntu, Fedora in between, been 5 years since I've tried again.
It's a computer.
A lot of people, myself included, feel that their choice of operating
system will make a social, political or economic difference in the
world. I agree with you now: it's a computer. The operating system you
use should be the one which properly supports the hardware you
purchased. For a lot of hardware, that will be Windows or MacOS.
Sometimes, Linux does a better job on that hardware, but that is rare.
Adison Vohn Caterson <[email protected]d> wrote:
That is how I take it, It's a computer.
But I mostly typed that cause Joel wrote It's a new era ;)
In terms of bleeding-edge WiFi standards, 6e and 7.
I do like Linux, but I've yet to put it on something good, like the >>Alienware I have.
When that gets over-the-hill and I replace it with a new one (~2-3yrs), >>I'll put Linux on it and maybe it will run great.
I'm hesitant now because of fan control, Alienwares can run hot, and
I've read stories about fans pulsing on/off then not working under
Linux.
Right now I have the ability to set them to run at %'s of 100 and per >>program/game settings And I can pick intel graphics or nvidia graphics
with the click of a button.
You wouldn't just default to NVIDIA all the time?
Adison Vohn Caterson <[email protected]d> wrote:
That is how I take it, It's a computer.
But I mostly typed that cause Joel wrote It's a new era ;)
In terms of bleeding-edge WiFi standards, 6e and 7.
I do like Linux, but I've yet to put it on something good, like the >>Alienware I have.
When that gets over-the-hill and I replace it with a new one (~2-3yrs), >>I'll put Linux on it and maybe it will run great.
I'm hesitant now because of fan control, Alienwares can run hot, and
I've read stories about fans pulsing on/off then not working under
Linux.
Right now I have the ability to set them to run at %'s of 100 and per >>program/game settings And I can pick intel graphics or nvidia graphics
with the click of a button.
You wouldn't just default to NVIDIA all the time?
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 12:06:09 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-02-24 11:31 a.m., Joel wrote:
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
It's a computer. But Linux on my system clearly demonstrates that it >>>>> has won the game.
On _your_ computer.
What's stopping you from buying a computer exactly like mine?
I want a portable game machine. Is that what you own?
You're a wonderful fit for Windows then. Well, except for the problem with your Windows machine corrupting itself.
On 2025-02-24, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-02-23 5:23 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
On 2025-02-23, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:
Adison Vohn Caterson <[email protected]d> wrote:
Linux wins because it isn't the behemoth.
I knew it was just the company.
I don't like WalMart, but I will secretly shop there ;)
Linux supports my WiFi, made in China, edge technology as WiFi6 is
evolving, same maker with WiFi7 on Windows. It's a new era.
This openSUSE install went well, and other than screen orientation and
virtual keyboard, everything worked OOTB.
My first Linux use was SUSE 10.1, bought in a box from a store.
It was aggravating to get it running, I mostly remember having to get a
serial port modem, would not use my internal modem (I think US Robotics). >>>
Tried Ubuntu, Fedora in between, been 5 years since I've tried again.
It's a computer.
A lot of people, myself included, feel that their choice of operating
system will make a social, political or economic difference in the
world. I agree with you now: it's a computer. The operating system you
use should be the one which properly supports the hardware you
purchased. For a lot of hardware, that will be Windows or MacOS.
Sometimes, Linux does a better job on that hardware, but that is rare.
That is how I take it, It's a computer.
But I mostly typed that cause Joel wrote It's a new era ;)
I do like Linux, but I've yet to put it on something good, like the
Alienware I have.
When that gets over-the-hill and I replace it with a new one (~2-3yrs),
I'll put Linux on it and maybe it will run great.
I'm hesitant now because of fan control, Alienwares can run hot, and
I've read stories about fans pulsing on/off then not working under
Linux.
Right now I have the ability to set them to run at %'s of 100 and per program/game settings And I can pick intel graphics or nvidia graphics
with the click of a button.
If you can still get Windows or MacOS
running on the machine and it doesn't lock you out in any way, don't
bother with Linux. It's fine, but it's not always worth the struggle.
pothead <[email protected]> wrote:
Here is my system specs
Device name System
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz
Installed RAM 64.0 GB (63.9 GB usable)
Device ID C0EC442D-E800-4C7F-B66E-DC22B35F8F6A
Product ID 00330-80000-00000-AA401
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display
You have a Windows machine, but you post with slrn?
On 2025-02-25, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:
pothead <[email protected]> wrote:
Here is my system specs
Device name System
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz >>>Installed RAM 64.0 GB (63.9 GB usable)
Device ID C0EC442D-E800-4C7F-B66E-DC22B35F8F6A
Product ID 00330-80000-00000-AA401
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display
You have a Windows machine, but you post with slrn?
Ever hear of VNC ?
I have 4 sessions open at any given time.
Still, I feel that Linux is an excellent operating system for machines
that commercial operating systems don't support anymore, but nothing
else.
Ever hear of VNC ?
I have 4 sessions open at any given time.
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:55:55 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
If you can still get Windows or MacOS
running on the machine and it doesn't lock you out in any way, don't
bother with Linux. It's fine, but it's not always worth the struggle.
I think people are habituated to the kind of struggles you need to get Windows working, so they discount those compared to effort on a Linux installation. Because Linux is less familiar (even though the
configuration setups are better understood), that is somehow seen as a greater struggle.
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 02:14:03 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
Ever hear of VNC ?
I have 4 sessions open at any given time.
Which VNC? I've got some bad memories of VNC but that is from years ago
and probably with marginal bandwidth. I don't even install it anymore and just use RDP. I don't always spell it right but remmina works well.
pothead <[email protected]> wrote:
Here is my system specs
Device name System
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz
Installed RAM 64.0 GB (63.9 GB usable)
Device ID C0EC442D-E800-4C7F-B66E-DC22B35F8F6A
Product ID 00330-80000-00000-AA401
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display
You have a Windows machine, but you post with slrn?
Ever hear of VNC ?
I have 4 sessions open at any given time.
I guess I'm just too efficient with a simple desktop box running
Debian and a Galaxy S21 phone. I have HD Radio, too, which means
something in DC 'cause of C-SPAN.
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:55:55 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Still, I feel that Linux is an excellent operating system for machines
that commercial operating systems don't support anymore, but nothing
else.
We've been down this road ad nauseam. Linux may be an acquired taste when
it comes to desktops but the web and the cloud essential runs on Linux.
Even Azure is VMs spun up on Microsoft's own Linux OS.
On 2025-02-25, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:55:55 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Still, I feel that Linux is an excellent operating system for machines
that commercial operating systems don't support anymore, but nothing
else.
We've been down this road ad nauseam. Linux may be an acquired taste
when it comes to desktops but the web and the cloud essential runs on
Linux. Even Azure is VMs spun up on Microsoft's own Linux OS.
Wherever you need rock solid reliability, Linux is superior. Besides
most Internet servers, all 500 top super computers and all CGI rendering farms, Linux is just more solid. I've never had a BSOD on Linux. I've
never had Linux corrupted by an update (or corrupted in such a way that wouldn't allow an update). I've never had "Registry" file corruption
which would not allow an application install or uninstall. I've never
had malware or a virus in 18 years of Linux use. Obviously Linux a
superior OS... period. Unfortunately, for game players, most PC games
are designed for Windows. So they're stuck with an inferior OS. For me, fortunately, I don't play PC video games on my computers, so a
non-problem for me.
On 2025-02-24, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-02-24 10:26 a.m., Joel wrote:
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-02-23 5:23 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
It's a computer.
A lot of people, myself included, feel that their choice of operating
system will make a social, political or economic difference in the
world. I agree with you now: it's a computer. The operating system you >>>> use should be the one which properly supports the hardware you
purchased. For a lot of hardware, that will be Windows or MacOS.
Sometimes, Linux does a better job on that hardware, but that is rare.
It's a computer. But Linux on my system clearly demonstrates that it
has won the game.
On _your_ computer. On the MSI GT72 I gave away, it couldn't suspend
unless I used openSUSE. On this laptop, it works fine but I can't get
the fingerprint reader to work and the proprietary drivers constantly
break on Fedora... on Manjaro, everything mostly works except hibernate
which requires a forced shutdown. I can only imagine how well it will
work on the incoming Macbook Air, but I admittedly don't know if I even
want to use Linux over the outdated MacOS Monterey which I know will
work right.
I can't speak for Linux on modern laptops using nVidia GPUs, but on my Intel GPU computers there's no contest. Linux is faster and more stable than Windows.
My newest laptop uses an 8th Generation i7 with 32 GBs of RAM. That's the
one that Windows 11 crapped out on and it has been replaced with Debian
Linux version 12. I don't have the desire to try to fix Windows hobbyware on a continual basis.
On 2025-02-24, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-02-23 5:23 p.m., Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:
On 2025-02-23, Joel <[email protected]> wrote:
Adison Vohn Caterson <[email protected]d> wrote:
Linux wins because it isn't the behemoth.
I knew it was just the company.
I don't like WalMart, but I will secretly shop there ;)
Linux supports my WiFi, made in China, edge technology as WiFi6 is
evolving, same maker with WiFi7 on Windows. It's a new era.
This openSUSE install went well, and other than screen orientation and
virtual keyboard, everything worked OOTB.
My first Linux use was SUSE 10.1, bought in a box from a store.
It was aggravating to get it running, I mostly remember having to get a
serial port modem, would not use my internal modem (I think US Robotics). >>>
Tried Ubuntu, Fedora in between, been 5 years since I've tried again.
It's a computer.
A lot of people, myself included, feel that their choice of operating
system will make a social, political or economic difference in the
world. I agree with you now: it's a computer. The operating system you
use should be the one which properly supports the hardware you
purchased. For a lot of hardware, that will be Windows or MacOS.
Sometimes, Linux does a better job on that hardware, but that is rare.
No, it's not "rare" at all. Linux runs faster on almost all hardware. (I can't speak for ARM Macs because I've never seen one.)
On 2025-02-24, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-02-24 11:31 a.m., Joel wrote:
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
It's a computer. But Linux on my system clearly demonstrates that it >>>>> has won the game.
On _your_ computer.
What's stopping you from buying a computer exactly like mine?
I want a portable game machine. Is that what you own?
On the MSI GT72 I gave away, it couldn't suspend
unless I used openSUSE. On this laptop, it works fine but I can't get
the fingerprint reader to work and the proprietary drivers constantly
break on Fedora... on Manjaro, everything mostly works except hibernate >>>> which requires a forced shutdown. I can only imagine how well it will
work on the incoming Macbook Air, but I admittedly don't know if I even >>>> want to use Linux over the outdated MacOS Monterey which I know will
work right.
We do of course have to factor in realism.
I'll still give Linux a shot since I know that a MacOS which is no
longer getting updates isn't the smartest thing to use going forward,
but I am not fond of the idea that I would lose audio volume and the
ability to suspend from using Linux. I'll be surprised if the
mini-DisplayPort to HDMI adapter will even work in Linux.
I'm guessing it will work fine. The computer I'm using now is hooked up to the the HDMI port of my monitor via a DisplayPort adapter. And this computer is an Dell Optiplex 9020m (micro) manufactured in March, 2015. So, almost exactly ten years old.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-02-21 9:21 p.m., Joel wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
“Dozens of things you can do to clean up a fresh install of Windows 11 >>>> 24H2 and Edge”
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/what-i-do-to-clean-up-a-clean-install-of-windows-11-23h2-and-edge/>.
Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next
chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install!
I'm grateful for Linux.
Without Linux, all computers would become useless like my
father-in-law's Surface RT is now. It turns on, but you can't update it
or use the Store. You are essentially locked out of everything because
the company decided it won't be supported anymore. It won't even let you
update to the latest version it supports. Even Apple isn't that horrible.
And yet trusted sources poll Windows at greater than 80% of the
market ...
On 2025-02-21 10:50 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 21:29:42 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Without Linux, all computers would become useless like my
father-in-law's Surface RT is now. It turns on, but you can't
update it or use the Store. You are essentially locked out of
everything because the company decided it won't be supported
anymore. It won't even let you update to the latest version it
supports. Even Apple isn't that horrible.
https://hackaday.com/2024/02/02/your-surface-rt-can-become-useful-again- with-raspberry-pi-os/
I'm running Raspberry Pi OS on a RPi 5 and it isn't going to set
any benchmark records but it is perfectly usable. The 32bit OS will
have some limitations. For example VS Code is 64bit only. I have
the same limitations with my 32bit Debian box. however the RT will
be useful for something other than a doorstop.
I haven't heard much about Microsoft's latest ARM attempt. I
wouldn't jump on that one either. It's unfortunate that MS screwed
up the first time around. I don't know if it was them or the press
and vendors that didn't clearly convey that it was not the Windows
people expected.
While I think it would renew the device to put Linux on it, I think
that there is no point. The keyboard on this thing is absolute
garbage, and I don't see myself using it at work for any purpose
either. Recycling it is putting it out of its misery.
On 2025-02-28, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 07:52:24 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I think the Broadcom driver is actually on the Linux Mint live USB,
but apparently you have to know how to find it. I think it worked
under the Live USB but not when it was installed. (Mine was connected
to the Ethernet, so it was easy to download the driver.)
At one time I had a half-assed Ethernet setup with a crossover cable
but I'm all wireless now.
My father was worried that WiFi would make me sick so, to make him
happy, I terminated the cable in this house to CAT5 jacks (the house had separate CAT5 cables to each location, but they were terminated to
phone, four pin, jacks). I'll probably be on WiFi in my new "town house" (glorified apartment). But it will be quieter, just me and my wife – for the first time in about 32 years. My youngest son is turning 18 in April
and he (and two of his brothers) are anxious to get out on their own.
It's time.
On 2025-02-28, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/28/25 02:58, RonB wrote:
On 2025-02-27, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/26/25 21:52, RonB wrote:
On 2025-02-26, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:In my short experience with this MacBook, I'm realizing that there is
On 2025-02-26 2:55 a.m., RonB wrote:Same experience I've had when updating MacOS (on "1 GB" i.e., 750 Mbps >>>>> Internet). I compiled a wxPython "wheel" for Trelby on that Mini (in the Mac
On 2025-02-25, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:Updating Linux is definitely faster than MacOS. On this machine, simply >>>>>> updating from 12.7.4 to 12.7.6 took an hour. It is definitely not
On 2025-02-24 9:10 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 20:55:55 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
If you can still get Windows or MacOS
running on the machine and it doesn't lock you out in any way, don't >>>>>>>>>> bother with Linux. It's fine, but it's not always worth the struggle.
I think people are habituated to the kind of struggles you need to get
Windows working, so they discount those compared to effort on a Linux >>>>>>>>> installation. Because Linux is less familiar (even though the >>>>>>>>> configuration setups are better understood), that is somehow seen as a
greater struggle.
It's not even that. Even if you have the patience to set Linux up >>>>>>>> properly, you'll find that a good amount of your hardware won't end up >>>>>>>> working. There are always people here and there who claim that they get
it working, but when you follow their own instructions and the >>>>>>>> distribution they've used, you get different results. Heck, I followed >>>>>>>> the instructions to enable the hardware encryption of my nvme through >>>>>>>> Linux and, lo and behold, they didn't work. It works fine in Windows if
you follow the instructions (which require you to have a separate >>>>>>>> Windows installation on a USB drive), but Linux won't even get past the
unlocking stage. That is part of why a lot of us just stick to Windows >>>>>>>> or MacOS.
It doesn't take much patience to install Linux. In twenty minutes it's >>>>>>> installed and fully updated for me — including most of the applications.
Can't do that with Windows hobbyware. (This depends on how fast your >>>>>>> Internet is — I'm moving soon so my Internet may soon be slower.) >>>>>>
because the Internet connection is slow either (I get 1.5Gbps at home). >>>>>
OS side) and it took over five days. (I thought it had quit working, but >>>>> I just let it go and it eventually finished. I had upgraded wxPython and >>>>> thought would fix the cursor issue (it doesn't stay with what you type) but
it worked exactly the same. I think the programming has to be changed for >>>>> Mac OS but nobody who is on the Trelby GitHub owns a Mac computer (I don't
think they do, anyhow).
Mac OS updates seem even slower than Windows updates, but this is an old >>>>> machine — still it has 16 GBs of RAM, it should be faster than it is. >>>>
really no good reason to buy a Mac unless you consciously want to change >>>> your computer every two or three years. A 2017 Mac is no longer
supported in 2025. Meanwhile, any computer capable of running Windows 10 >>>> will be supported at least until the end of this year. One gives you
seven years of support, the other gives you a decade. Meanwhile, _every_ >>>> PC can install Linux once the support ends. Macs from 2020 on don't have >>>> that luxury. Heck, I'm reading that Macs from 2018 on have trouble to do >>>> so because of the T2 chip.
I went through the trouble of updating the Mac Mini 2012 to Monterey using >>> OpenCore, but I hardly ever boot it. Mostly just to test a couple
applications and to see if I can get Trelby working on it — almost, but not
there. I think it's at the point that I need to know a lot more about Python
than I'll ever learn.
For what it's worth, the 2012 Mac Mini I gave away a few months ago to
my wife's fag friend ran Linux Mint wonderfully, even on an HD. If I had
room and had a cheap monitor lying around, I would have just set it up
for my four-year-old to play on.
Linux Mint on my Mac Mini runs well. Actually even Monterey with OpenCore is acceptable, but it was better (a bit faster) under Catalina.
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to
the next yet always manages to become much slower.
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to
the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to
the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
On 2/21/2025 4:48 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next
chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install!
It's amusing that a variety of lying Linux idiots thru the years have
claimed it takes week(s) to install/configure Windows.
Or that they work "thousands of unpaid hours" because of Windows crashes.
Or that one Linux box does the work of 6 Windows boxes.
Or that Linux is 50x faster than Windows.
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to
the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
Le 22-02-2025, DFS <[email protected]ca> a écrit :
On 2/21/2025 4:48 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Got nothing better to do over the next week? Why not spend the next
chunk of your life on a fresh Dimdows install!
It's amusing that a variety of lying Linux idiots thru the years have
claimed it takes week(s) to install/configure Windows.
Really? At lot of things are being told endlessly about Windows, but not
that one.
Or that they work "thousands of unpaid hours" because of Windows crashes.
I agree with this one. Because people without computer knowledge are
using Windows, and then they have to ask someone else for help. Because Microsoft tells them to see the seller. And the seller won't do anything
to help except, maybe install Windows again with the loss of all data.
So they have to rely on friends and family help. Who work for free and
are not that many.
Or that one Linux box does the work of 6 Windows boxes.
Never heard about that one. But saying that an old computer which can't
run Windows anymore can be used as a server is real.
Or that Linux is 50x faster than Windows.
For the 50x, I don't know, but for the numerous computers which get a
second life thanks to Linux because Windows was too slow to be used is
real. I saw it a lot of time. Of course on an old computer you don't use Gnome or KDE, but light WM can be used successfully.
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to
the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would
be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little difference
between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the kernel.
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:44:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to >>>> the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would
be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little difference
between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the kernel.
Even Ubuntu 24.10 is only up to the 6.11.0 kernel; the last Fedora update pulled down 6.13.4.
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to
the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would
be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little difference
between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the kernel.
On 2025-03-01 3:59 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:44:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to >>>>> the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would >>> be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little difference
between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the kernel.
Even Ubuntu 24.10 is only up to the 6.11.0 kernel; the last Fedora update
pulled down 6.13.4.
Alright, what will the latest kernel change in a person's daily life?
Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-01 3:59 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:44:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to >>>>>> the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would >>>> be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little difference
between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the kernel.
Even Ubuntu 24.10 is only up to the 6.11.0 kernel; the last Fedora update >>> pulled down 6.13.4.
Alright, what will the latest kernel change in a person's daily life?
Some improvements are more important than what LP/NV/DG/FR/whatever can accomplish in his dreams. You have more and more thing in your kernel
without slowing down your computer. It's impressive by itself.
Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-01 3:59 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:44:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version >>>>>> to the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu
would be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little
difference between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the
kernel.
Even Ubuntu 24.10 is only up to the 6.11.0 kernel; the last Fedora
update pulled down 6.13.4.
Alright, what will the latest kernel change in a person's daily life?
Some improvements are more important than what LP/NV/DG/FR/whatever can accomplish in his dreams. You have more and more thing in your kernel
without slowing down your computer. It's impressive by itself.
On 2025-03-01 3:59 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:44:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version
to the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu
would be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little
difference between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the
kernel.
Even Ubuntu 24.10 is only up to the 6.11.0 kernel; the last Fedora
update pulled down 6.13.4.
Alright, what will the latest kernel change in a person's daily life?
One of the latest kernel changes improved the speed of the ext4
filesystem by 20%.
On 2025-03-01 5:52 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:44:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:Alright, what will the latest kernel change in a person's daily life?
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would >>>>> be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little difference >>>>> between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the kernel.
Some improvements are more important than what LP/NV/DG/FR/whatever can
accomplish in his dreams. You have more and more thing in your kernel
without slowing down your computer. It's impressive by itself.
So far, the updates to the kernel seem to mostly be about adding support
for hardware. As a result, it seems that the need to update it ends the moment a kernel which properly supports every part of your computer is released.
Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating
system will not notice anything change in their daily life. They don't
use docker or kubernetes, and they won't care about the security
enhancements of systemd.
Clearly, things have improved, but they were under the hood and
unnoticeable to regular users.
Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-01 5:52 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:44:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:Alright, what will the latest kernel change in a person's daily life?
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would >>>>>> be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little difference >>>>>> between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the kernel.
Some improvements are more important than what LP/NV/DG/FR/whatever can
accomplish in his dreams. You have more and more thing in your kernel
without slowing down your computer. It's impressive by itself.
So far, the updates to the kernel seem to mostly be about adding support
for hardware. As a result, it seems that the need to update it ends the
moment a kernel which properly supports every part of your computer is
released.
So far, you only look at the graphical interface believing that
everything new that comes with it is only a change in it. But it's not because you don't know how it works that it's that simple. Systemd
wasn't in Ubuntu 14.04 and including it in Ubuntu changed a lot of
things in the global security, in the way the processes are managed, in
the way the login is done, in the way the hardware is managed.
Systemd isn't the kernel and isn't the graphical interface and it was
brought by ubuntu 16.04, so when you say that nothing new happened
between Ubuntu 16.04 and 24.04 it's just plain wrong. And when you say
that nothing brought by the kernel changes anything in a user life it's
plain wrong at the same time because systemd was the first to use
cgroups and namespaces brought by the kernel. So without those changes
in the kernel, systemd wouldn't exist. And without systemd, the features brought by the kernel wouldn't change a person's daily life.
And, for your information, the cgroups and namespaces are heavily used
by docker and kubernetes, so most of the biggest websites you are using
are working thanks to the changes in the kernel. You don't need
something as heavy as kubernetes to run a website in your basement, but google and amazon who are facing millions of users every minute all over
the world really need it.
So, no, the changes brought by the kernel are not only related with new drivers but it's too difficult for you to understand so you claim either
they don't exist or that they don't impact users experience. But that's
only plain wrong and you can brag about it as long as you want, as long
as you'll refuse to look really inside the technical work, your strong opinion about it will be garbage. A modern system is way more complex
than your old vision.
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating
system will not notice anything change in their daily life. They don't
use docker or kubernetes, and they won't care about the security
enhancements of systemd.
Like I said, you understand nothing about your computer and you don't
see how its improvements impact the way you are using it or the way you
are interacting with the websites you are accessing.
On 2025-03-02 8:57 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating
system will not notice anything change in their daily life. They don't
use docker or kubernetes, and they won't care about the security
enhancements of systemd.
Like I said, you understand nothing about your computer and you don't
see how its improvements impact the way you are using it or the way you
are interacting with the websites you are accessing.
In other words, I should be grateful that my car's tires are filled with nitrogen rather than air.
Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to >>>> the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would
be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little difference
between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the kernel.
Linux is the kernel. Sometimes people speak about Linux as if it was the
all system, which can be understandable depending on the context. But
when he speaks about each release of Linux, it's obvious it's about the kernel.
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-02 8:57 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating
system will not notice anything change in their daily life. They don't >>>> use docker or kubernetes, and they won't care about the security
enhancements of systemd.
Like I said, you understand nothing about your computer and you don't
see how its improvements impact the way you are using it or the way you
are interacting with the websites you are accessing.
In other words, I should be grateful that my car's tires are filled with
nitrogen rather than air.
I don't know what your car is, but knowing it's a car is enough for me
to know that it's ugly, it stinks and it should be burned. So I'm not speaking about your fucking shitty car, I'm speaking about Linux.
You say nothings happened in Linux which could be seen by the average
user in ten years. And that's just plain wrong and I gave you examples.
You are too late to understand technical explanations. You are to stupid
to believe in people able to understand technical stuff. You are like
Joel: your feelings are more important than your brain, which can't be trusted. And it show in any subject on which you can spread only shit.
You are using computers which improved in a lot of ways you will never
been able to understand because if it doesn't shine you don't see it and
you pretend it doesn't exist. Keep living in your parallel world in
which you believe you are a Christian and the vaccine is designed to
kill people. And probably believe the world is flat and has been created
4000 years ago. Knowing that you are a teacher, I just have pity for the child, but I'm not there to fix every issue in the world.
On 01 Mar 2025 22:52:51 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <[email protected]> wrote
in <67c38fc3$0$409$[email protected]>:
Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-01 3:59 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:44:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version >>>>>>> to the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu
would be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little
difference between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the >>>>> kernel.
Even Ubuntu 24.10 is only up to the 6.11.0 kernel; the last Fedora
update pulled down 6.13.4.
Alright, what will the latest kernel change in a person's daily life?
Some improvements are more important than what LP/NV/DG/FR/whatever can
accomplish in his dreams. You have more and more thing in your kernel
without slowing down your computer. It's impressive by itself.
One of the latest kernel changes improved the speed of the ext4 filesystem
by 20%.
Support for new hardware is also constantly being added.
Mrs. vallor's new Linux workstation started with Mint 21.3, but its
kernel didn't have drivers for the wifi device. Mint 22.1's kernel
supports it.
(Etc., etc. I don't care what the concern troll thinks, this is for
the benefit of those looking on.)
On 2025-03-02 11:05 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-02 8:57 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating >>>>> system will not notice anything change in their daily life. They don't >>>>> use docker or kubernetes, and they won't care about the security
enhancements of systemd.
Like I said, you understand nothing about your computer and you don't
see how its improvements impact the way you are using it or the way you >>>> are interacting with the websites you are accessing.
In other words, I should be grateful that my car's tires are filled with >>> nitrogen rather than air.
I don't know what your car is, but knowing it's a car is enough for me
to know that it's ugly, it stinks and it should be burned. So I'm not
speaking about your fucking shitty car, I'm speaking about Linux.
You don't understand comparisons, do you?
You comment on how Joel and I live in a world of emotion. Meanwhile,
your reaction is itself based on emotion.
You are a hypocrite, much like the historic Frenchmen who called for revolution against tyranny and themselves became one.
Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version
to the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu
would be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little
difference between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the
kernel.
Does Crud mean all the thousands of apps and libraries that got upgraded
or added in the interim are as nothing?
They have improved under the wood, so you don't realize them, but their impact on you is still real. Your inability to realize it doesn't mean
it doesn't exist. It means it's a lot of little things that cumulated
grant a real improvement. Each little improvement is almost
unnoticeable,
but cumulated they grant you an impressive improvement.
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-02 11:05 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-02 8:57 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating >>>>>> system will not notice anything change in their daily life. They don't >>>>>> use docker or kubernetes, and they won't care about the security
enhancements of systemd.
Like I said, you understand nothing about your computer and you don't >>>>> see how its improvements impact the way you are using it or the way you >>>>> are interacting with the websites you are accessing.
In other words, I should be grateful that my car's tires are filled with >>>> nitrogen rather than air.
I don't know what your car is, but knowing it's a car is enough for me
to know that it's ugly, it stinks and it should be burned. So I'm not
speaking about your fucking shitty car, I'm speaking about Linux.
You don't understand comparisons, do you?
I understand when the meaning of comparison is just there to change the subject instead of explaining a point.
You say that nothing worth notice
by the end user changed in Linux during the last decade. It's wrong and
you refuse to accept evidence. I'm not saying the changes are good, I'm saying they are real. So the thankful point is irrelevant.
You comment on how Joel and I live in a world of emotion. Meanwhile,
your reaction is itself based on emotion.
I have nothing against emotions, without emotions we aren't humans. That doesn't mean the emotions must prevent you to use your brain. If you
refuse the facts because you don't like them to contradict your beliefs,
it's your problem. You live in a parallel universe, as long as
everything is OK, good for you, but it's possible one day you'll have to
face the reality.
You are a hypocrite, much like the historic Frenchmen who called for
revolution against tyranny and themselves became one.
Like you who pretend to follow Jesus when you want to burn the people Jesus wanted to help. Every one leaves with his own contradictions. It's part
of the human nature.
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 10:39:16 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version >>>>>> to the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu
would be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little
difference between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the
kernel.
Does Crud mean all the thousands of apps and libraries that got upgraded
or added in the interim are as nothing?
If a library falls in the forest... I can see both sides of the
argument. Fedora has frequent updates of stuff that I don't even
recognize. Presumably they are improvements but of what?
VS Code generally has a monthly update and restarts with a tab explaining
all the new improvements. Most of the time my reaction is 'Yeah, that's
nice, whatever it is.'
Many users like it that way. 'Improvements' like Unity tend to get noticed and it isn't always in a good way.
What I can say for sure is that while an Ubuntu 14.04 user will
immediately be familiar with 24.04 if he jumps from one to the other, he might find it faster or discover that it has prettier icons. Otherwise,
the applications he used in 14.04 will look and operate the same in the
new version, the interface will be the same, and the commands will not
have changed. He probably won't notice that his applications are now
Snaps or notice that pipewire is now the default instead of PulseAudio.
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to
the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would
be different than the previous.
Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating
system will not notice anything change in their daily life.
What I can say for sure is that while an Ubuntu 14.04 user will
immediately be familiar with 24.04 if he jumps from one to the other ...
You don't understand comparisons, do you?
I then told them that someone else's garbage can be their
treasure, and Linux allows for the "equity" today's generation seems to
be begging for.
Whether the mRNA "vaccines" (so-called) were created to kill people, or
not, is still an open debate. The fact remains that myocarditis was
formerly an old person's problem — now it consistently kills young,
healthy people (often athletes). And that's a result (admitted to by
Pfizer) of the mRNA crap.
And that is just ONE of the issues with this "kill shot." There's talk
now of outlawing mRNA "vaccines" in the U.S.
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:53:08 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
I then told them that someone else's garbage can be their
treasure, and Linux allows for the "equity" today's generation seems to
be begging for.
What a remarkably woke thing to say.
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:44:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-02-28 10:49 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:16:58 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
It's funny how the operating system barely changes from one version to >>>> the next yet always manages to become much slower.
Linux adds significant new features in each release.
Windows ... changes the GUI.
No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would
be different than the previous.
It is.
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 21:19:10 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
What I can say for sure is that while an Ubuntu 14.04 user will
immediately be familiar with 24.04 if he jumps from one to the other, he
might find it faster or discover that it has prettier icons. Otherwise,
the applications he used in 14.04 will look and operate the same in the
new version, the interface will be the same, and the commands will not
have changed. He probably won't notice that his applications are now
Snaps or notice that pipewire is now the default instead of PulseAudio.
I certainly noticed when an update broke my sound output leaving only
Dummy to select. After screwing around for a couple of days I got
Bluetooth speakers since it could handle that.
Note: Fedora uses pipewire and when I plugged the speakers into the Fedora box they were recognized and worked fine. I lay this one on Ubuntu.
snap rears its ugly head when it can't update a running program, even if doing a full upgrade from 22.04 to 4.04 to 24.10.
You pick of ranges is not very good. The Unity desktop was introduced as
the default in 11.04, and replaced with GNOME 3 in 17.10. Whether your
14.04 user is a happy camper with 24.04 depends.
Stuff like that gets noticed. Transitions like from X to Wayland might go unnoticed unless it breaks stuff initially. systemd probably unnoticed except by those who hate it. UEFI was a major pain in the ass for a
while.
gcc updates may or may not be noticed. It never was a good idea but some
of our legacy code defined variables in the header files. I forget if it
was gcc 11 or 12 that considered that a multiple redefinition and a showstopper unless you used a flag to the compiler. Then there was the notorious RedHat gcc 2.98 that couldn't compile the kernel. You can bet
your bippy that got noticed.
On 2025-03-02, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-03-02 11:05 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-02 8:57 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating >>>>>> system will not notice anything change in their daily life. They don't >>>>>> use docker or kubernetes, and they won't care about the security
enhancements of systemd.
Like I said, you understand nothing about your computer and you don't >>>>> see how its improvements impact the way you are using it or the way you >>>>> are interacting with the websites you are accessing.
In other words, I should be grateful that my car's tires are filled with >>>> nitrogen rather than air.
I don't know what your car is, but knowing it's a car is enough for me
to know that it's ugly, it stinks and it should be burned. So I'm not
speaking about your fucking shitty car, I'm speaking about Linux.
You don't understand comparisons, do you?
You say nothings happened in Linux which could be seen by the average
user in ten years. And that's just plain wrong and I gave you examples.
You are too late to understand technical explanations. You are to stupid >>> to believe in people able to understand technical stuff. You are like
Joel: your feelings are more important than your brain, which can't be
trusted. And it show in any subject on which you can spread only shit.
You are using computers which improved in a lot of ways you will never
been able to understand because if it doesn't shine you don't see it and >>> you pretend it doesn't exist. Keep living in your parallel world in
which you believe you are a Christian and the vaccine is designed to
kill people. And probably believe the world is flat and has been created >>> 4000 years ago. Knowing that you are a teacher, I just have pity for the >>> child, but I'm not there to fix every issue in the world.
Ah, now we get to the root of the problem. You believe that the
"vaccine" saved people and get offended at the suggestion that it
didn't, even after it was revealed that it offered 0% protection and did
not stop transmission. You want to live a life of delusion, such as the
one that Linux is flawless and that things within its environment
_noticeably_ improve with time.
You comment on how Joel and I live in a world of emotion. Meanwhile,
your reaction is itself based on emotion. You are a hypocrite, much like
the historic Frenchmen who called for revolution against tyranny and
themselves became one.
Whether the mRNA "vaccines" (so-called) were created to kill people, or not, is still an open debate. The fact remains that myocarditis was formerly an old person's problem — now it consistently kills young, healthy people (often
athletes). And that's a result (admitted to by Pfizer) of the mRNA crap.
And that is just ONE of the issues with this "kill shot." There's talk now
of outlawing mRNA "vaccines" in the U.S.
On 2025-03-02, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
...
You comment on how Joel and I live in a world of emotion. Meanwhile,
your reaction is itself based on emotion. You are a hypocrite, much like
the historic Frenchmen who called for revolution against tyranny and
themselves became one.
Whether the mRNA "vaccines" (so-called) were created to kill people, or not, is still an open debate. The fact remains that myocarditis was formerly an old person's problem — now it consistently kills young, healthy people (often
athletes). And that's a result (admitted to by Pfizer) of the mRNA crap.
And that is just ONE of the issues with this "kill shot." There's talk now
of outlawing mRNA "vaccines" in the U.S.
On 2025-03-03, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-03-03 2:11 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2025-03-02, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-03-02 11:05 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-02 8:57 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating >>>>>>>> system will not notice anything change in their daily life. They don't >>>>>>>> use docker or kubernetes, and they won't care about the security >>>>>>>> enhancements of systemd.
Like I said, you understand nothing about your computer and you don't >>>>>>> see how its improvements impact the way you are using it or the way you >>>>>>> are interacting with the websites you are accessing.
In other words, I should be grateful that my car's tires are filled with >>>>>> nitrogen rather than air.
I don't know what your car is, but knowing it's a car is enough for me >>>>> to know that it's ugly, it stinks and it should be burned. So I'm not >>>>> speaking about your fucking shitty car, I'm speaking about Linux.
You don't understand comparisons, do you?
You say nothings happened in Linux which could be seen by the average >>>>> user in ten years. And that's just plain wrong and I gave you examples. >>>>> You are too late to understand technical explanations. You are to stupid >>>>> to believe in people able to understand technical stuff. You are like >>>>> Joel: your feelings are more important than your brain, which can't be >>>>> trusted. And it show in any subject on which you can spread only shit. >>>>>
You are using computers which improved in a lot of ways you will never >>>>> been able to understand because if it doesn't shine you don't see it and >>>>> you pretend it doesn't exist. Keep living in your parallel world in
which you believe you are a Christian and the vaccine is designed to >>>>> kill people. And probably believe the world is flat and has been created >>>>> 4000 years ago. Knowing that you are a teacher, I just have pity for the >>>>> child, but I'm not there to fix every issue in the world.
Ah, now we get to the root of the problem. You believe that the
"vaccine" saved people and get offended at the suggestion that it
didn't, even after it was revealed that it offered 0% protection and did >>>> not stop transmission. You want to live a life of delusion, such as the >>>> one that Linux is flawless and that things within its environment
_noticeably_ improve with time.
You comment on how Joel and I live in a world of emotion. Meanwhile,
your reaction is itself based on emotion. You are a hypocrite, much like >>>> the historic Frenchmen who called for revolution against tyranny and
themselves became one.
Whether the mRNA "vaccines" (so-called) were created to kill people, or not,
is still an open debate. The fact remains that myocarditis was formerly an >>> old person's problem — now it consistently kills young, healthy people (often
athletes). And that's a result (admitted to by Pfizer) of the mRNA crap. >>> And that is just ONE of the issues with this "kill shot." There's talk now >>> of outlawing mRNA "vaccines" in the U.S.
However, that's not what the broadcast "news" tells its viewers, and
some of the people here trust them over the evidence of their eyes and
ears. They can now read what Pfizer has been forced to admit on their
own, but they prefer to have the people Pfizer _pays_ tell them what to
think.
It's not normal for my 46-year-old sister-in-law to have had daily
vaginal bleeding after taking the "vaccine" and to go through early
menopause. It's not normal for my 44-year-old best friend to have had
the same before being diagnosed with uterus cancer and forced to have it
removed after getting the "vaccine." It's not normal for her current and
my former 45-year-old colleague to have daily vaginal bleeding as a
result of getting the "vaccine." The media that told us that the
"vaccine" was safe lost all their credibility with those assurances, and
they have done so in exchange for Pfizer's sponsorship money. Why
_anyone_ with a brain would continue to read their articles, watch their
shows or accept their opinion is beyond me. You can't do that and then
claim to be intelligent.
No argument from me. I've been hearing some doctors whining that no one even wants the flu shot any more. (As far as I can tell it's as useless as hind tits on a boar anyhow.) Seems like the people who get the worst cases of the flu are the ones who get the flu shot.
No argument from me. I've been hearing some doctors whining that no one
even wants the flu shot any more. (As far as I can tell it's as useless
as hind tits on a boar anyhow.) Seems like the people who get the worst
cases of the flu are the ones who get the flu shot.
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:51:42 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Install Ubuntu 23.04 on one computer and 24.04 on the other, let me
know what the noticeable differences are.
No need to actually install anything, just check the docs. Comparing <https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/> with <https://packages.ubuntu.com/plucky/>, and picking out a few things at random:
On 2025-03-03 2:07 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:53:08 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
I then told them that someone else's garbage can be their treasure,
and Linux allows for the "equity" today's generation seems to be
begging for.
What a remarkably woke thing to say.
Not really. Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy something better
or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would be running
something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 with no option to increase RAM or add accessories.
Install Ubuntu 23.04 on one computer and 24.04 on the other, let me know
what the noticeable differences are.
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-03 2:07 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:53:08 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
I then told them that someone else's garbage can be their treasure,
and Linux allows for the "equity" today's generation seems to be
begging for.
What a remarkably woke thing to say.
Not really. Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer
today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy something better
or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would be running
something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 with no option to
increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not?
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-03 2:07 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:53:08 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
I then told them that someone else's garbage can be their treasure,
and Linux allows for the "equity" today's generation seems to be
begging for.
What a remarkably woke thing to say.
Not really. Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer
today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy something better
or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would be running
something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 with no option to
increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not?
On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same
computer today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy
something better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor
would be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64
with no option to increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not?
I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ...
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same
computer today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy
something better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor
would be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64
with no option to increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not?
I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ...
But you did use it as an example of wokeness.
Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use? (Presumably by choice.)
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer today,
regardless of whether they have the means to buy something better or
not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would be running
something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 with no option to
increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not?
I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ...
But you did use it as an example of wokeness.
Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use?
On 2025-03-06 4:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same
computer today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy
something better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor
would be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 >>>>> with no option to increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not?
I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ...
But you did use it as an example of wokeness.
Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use?
(Presumably by choice.)
The point here, again, is that the proponents of equity would force us
all to have the same device.
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 16:50:04 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-06 4:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same
computer today, regardless of whether they have the means to buy
something better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor >>>>>> would be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 >>>>>> with no option to increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not?
I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ...
But you did use it as an example of wokeness.
Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use?
(Presumably by choice.)
The point here, again, is that the proponents of equity would force us
all to have the same device.
But why a Commodore 64 rather than an Apple Iphone?
On 2025-03-06 6:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 16:50:04 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-06 4:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer today, >>>>>>> regardless of whether they have the means to buy something better >>>>>>> or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would be
running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 with >>>>>>> no option to increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not?
I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ...
But you did use it as an example of wokeness.
Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use?
(Presumably by choice.)
The point here, again, is that the proponents of equity would force us
all to have the same device.
But why a Commodore 64 rather than an Apple Iphone?
Because my hatred of Apple is not as potent as yours.
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 20:27:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-06 6:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 16:50:04 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-06 4:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ...
Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer today, >>>>>>>> regardless of whether they have the means to buy something better >>>>>>>> or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would be
running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 with >>>>>>>> no option to increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not? >>>>>>
But you did use it as an example of wokeness.
Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use?
(Presumably by choice.)
The point here, again, is that the proponents of equity would force us >>>> all to have the same device.
But why a Commodore 64 rather than an Apple Iphone?
Because my hatred of Apple is not as potent as yours.
Apple are well-known for their DEI policies. Wouldn’t you call them an example of a “woke” company? They even have a person of gender--one of those that President Musk is trying to get rid of--as their boss.
On 02 Mar 2025 13:57:04 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
They have improved under the wood, so you don't realize them, but their
impact on you is still real. Your inability to realize it doesn't mean
it doesn't exist. It means it's a lot of little things that cumulated
grant a real improvement. Each little improvement is almost
unnoticeable,
but cumulated they grant you an impressive improvement.
And you also get the systemd haters.
On 2025-03-02 3:20 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-02 11:05 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 2025-03-02 8:57 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 02-03-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating >>>>>>> system will not notice anything change in their daily life. They don't >>>>>>> use docker or kubernetes, and they won't care about the security >>>>>>> enhancements of systemd.
Like I said, you understand nothing about your computer and you don't >>>>>> see how its improvements impact the way you are using it or the way you >>>>>> are interacting with the websites you are accessing.
In other words, I should be grateful that my car's tires are filled with >>>>> nitrogen rather than air.
I don't know what your car is, but knowing it's a car is enough for me >>>> to know that it's ugly, it stinks and it should be burned. So I'm not
speaking about your fucking shitty car, I'm speaking about Linux.
You don't understand comparisons, do you?
I understand when the meaning of comparison is just there to change the
subject instead of explaining a point.
You can't use French as an excuse for your lack of comprehension here.
You were talking about improvements under the hood in Linux, things that people won't notice. I mentioned that when nitrogen is used in a car's
tires instead of air, things are supposedly improved but nobody notices anything different.
Did you understand my answer? I don't know anything about cars except
they are ugly, they stink and they should be burned. So, I didn't knew
they have nitrogen instead of air now. I don't know why and I don't
care. So I don't know if it's good are not. I don't know if you notice
the difference or not. And I don't care. I will forget about it in less
than an hour.
On 2025-03-06 9:09 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 20:27:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-06 6:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 16:50:04 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-06 4:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ...
Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer
today,
regardless of whether they have the means to buy something
better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would >>>>>>>>> be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 >>>>>>>>> with no option to increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not? >>>>>>>
But you did use it as an example of wokeness.
Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use? >>>>>> (Presumably by choice.)
The point here, again, is that the proponents of equity would force
us all to have the same device.
But why a Commodore 64 rather than an Apple Iphone?
Because my hatred of Apple is not as potent as yours.
Apple are well-known for their DEI policies. Wouldn’t you call them an
example of a “woke” company? They even have a person of gender--one of >> those that President Musk is trying to get rid of--as their boss.
He's a homosexual, but I haven't yet heard of him believing himself to
be a woman.
On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:50:19 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-06 9:09 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 20:27:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-06 6:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 16:50:04 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-06 4:34 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 08:35:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-03-05 1:49 a.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 08:55:40 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:I didn't say that the Commodore 64 was woke ...
Woke would be to ensure that everyone has the same computer >>>>>>>>>> today,
regardless of whether they have the means to buy something >>>>>>>>>> better or not. In other words, both the rich and the poor would >>>>>>>>>> be running something like today's equivalent of a Commodore 64 >>>>>>>>>> with no option to increase RAM or add accessories.
So a Commodore 64 is “woke”, but, say, an Apple Iphone is not? >>>>>>>>
But you did use it as an example of wokeness.
Would an Apple Iphone be something that non-woke people might use? >>>>>>> (Presumably by choice.)
The point here, again, is that the proponents of equity would force >>>>>> us all to have the same device.
But why a Commodore 64 rather than an Apple Iphone?
Because my hatred of Apple is not as potent as yours.
Apple are well-known for their DEI policies. Wouldn’t you call them an >>> example of a “woke” company? They even have a person of gender--one of >>> those that President Musk is trying to get rid of--as their boss.
He's a homosexual, but I haven't yet heard of him believing himself to
be a woman.
Still, Apple is a better example -- possibly the best example -- of a
product that woke people would use, isn’t it?
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 21:19:10 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
What I can say for sure is that while an Ubuntu 14.04 user will
immediately be familiar with 24.04 if he jumps from one to the other, he
might find it faster or discover that it has prettier icons. Otherwise,
the applications he used in 14.04 will look and operate the same in the
new version, the interface will be the same, and the commands will not
have changed. He probably won't notice that his applications are now
Snaps or notice that pipewire is now the default instead of PulseAudio.
I certainly noticed when an update broke my sound output leaving only
Dummy to select. After screwing around for a couple of days I got
Bluetooth speakers since it could handle that.
And that's an improvement unnoticed by those who can't find anything if
it doesn't shine. The last upgrade process to ubuntu 24.04 was a major improvement. With the older upgrades, it always broke something. And if
you stopped upgrading it in the middle, your only choice was to install ubuntu again. And now, it's the first time I saw people stopped in the
middle because they didn't understood the questions or it took too long
which it was easy to fix. Just start again the install and everything
runs fine. Which was unthinkable with previous upgrades. It's a major improvement unknown to the end user which still benefits him. So saying
it doesn't happened because one didn't understood it is just showing
evidence of strong opinion based on lack of knowledge.
On 09 Mar 2025 15:18:37 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
And that's an improvement unnoticed by those who can't find anything if
it doesn't shine. The last upgrade process to ubuntu 24.04 was a major
improvement. With the older upgrades, it always broke something. And if
you stopped upgrading it in the middle, your only choice was to install
ubuntu again. And now, it's the first time I saw people stopped in the
middle because they didn't understood the questions or it took too long
which it was easy to fix. Just start again the install and everything
runs fine. Which was unthinkable with previous upgrades. It's a major
improvement unknown to the end user which still benefits him. So saying
it doesn't happened because one didn't understood it is just showing
evidence of strong opinion based on lack of knowledge.
Most of the problems I've hit with Ubuntu upgrades are related to snap.
For example when flatpak updates Brave the new version is seen when brave
is restarted. With snap, the update fails with a running app so you have
to kill it and manually do the snap refresh.
20.04 to 22.04 managed to hose my postgres installation completely.
With Ubuntu there seems to always be something that requires manual intervention where Fedora goes more smoothly.
On 2025-03-08 5:56 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Still, Apple is a better example -- possibly the best example -- of a
product that woke people would use, isn’t it?
That might be because Apple itself caters to these idiots more than
anyone else does.
Even the Dimdows Update mechanism -- you know, the one that
automatically puts stuff on your machine that you don’t want -- is
another major source of things that can go wrong. This article <https://www.computerworld.com/article/1613310/how-to-troubleshoot-and-reset-windows-update.html>
suggests some things to try if the updater gives trouble (how would
you tell?). And boy, don’t those suggestions get progressively
nuttier.
The final one (or at least, the final thing to try before giving up
and taking your machine to someone who knows what they’re doing), a “complete reset”, involves downloading and running some random batch
file off the Internet, which does all kinds of things to your system
that you don’t really want to know about, just trust the folks who
wrote the script, OK?
Episode 343-or-something <https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-install-windows-11-your-way-and-avoid-microsofts-restrictions/>:
“How to install Windows 11 your way (and avoid Microsoft's restrictions)”.
Assuming that your typical Dimdows user has the attention span to read
to the end without their eyes glazing over ...
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