We see the jump and correct day with LO but not with the
GNU/Linux date/cal commands. What is the problem? What
am I doing wrong?
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 20:54:34 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
We see the jump and correct day with LO but not with the
GNU/Linux date/cal commands. What is the problem? What
am I doing wrong?
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Thanks a lot, assholes. Thanks for fucking nothing.
I found the source of the problem all by my lonesome,
because you lackeys couldn't pull yourselves away from
your little kiddie games.
Now listen carefully.
Officially, the Gregorian calendar was introduced on
Oct 15, 1582. The previous date, in the Julian calendar,
was Oct 4, 1582. There is a jump from Oct 4 to Oct 15.
However, much of the rest of the world only adopted the
Gregorian calendar (GC) later. In Britain and the Americas,
the GC wasn't adopted until Sept 3, 1752.
As a consequence, the Unix "cal" command defaults to
Sept 3, 1752:
The jump from Sept 2-14 is quite obvious. The whole month only has
19 days!
With LibreOffice Calc, there is no PGC. We can observe the jump
at Oct 5, 1582 and all prior dates use the Julian calendar.
So, right now, when do you really have to take care of three hundred
years old events in your programs or in your life?
For your
information, at that time, Britain possessed only a part of north
America. So when the British colonies switched to Gregorian calendar,
most of the Americas were already using it.
As a consequence, the Unix "cal" command defaults to
Sept 3, 1752:
The explanation is easy to understand: like you, the UNIX founders
believed that the USA is all that exists. They had, like you today, very narrow minds. And the rest of the world struggle because of it.
Rely, I dont care about issues about things that don't matter. Nobody is concerned about that. You should take care of actual problems in actual
life. I knew you are stuck in the past, I didn't knew it was that long
ago.
On 18 Jan 2025 14:00:26 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
As a consequence, the Unix "cal" command defaults to
Sept 3, 1752:
The explanation is easy to understand: like you, the UNIX founders
believed that the USA is all that exists. They had, like you today, very
narrow minds. And the rest of the world struggle because of it.
Not quite.
Unix began in 1969 and at that time hardware was limited in its
capability. That's why we have ASCII because if there are only
7-bits for character representation it may as well be only English characters.
But representing all human languages in digital form is not
a trivial undertaking. First there were many ISO code pages
for various language groups. Then, at the late time of 1991,
Unicode was established.
Could you have done better?
Ha, ha! You can't even program "Hello World!" in BASIC.
On 18 Jan 2025 14:00:26 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
For your
information, at that time, Britain possessed only a part of north
America. So when the British colonies switched to Gregorian calendar,
most of the Americas were already using it.
It is all a consequence of the Protestant-Catholic split.
France was a Catholic nation and was forced by the popes to adopt
the GC.
Britain, however, was Protestant and tended to reject Catholic
ideas.
So I don't need your fucking information.
I am only concerned with the reason Unix/Linux/GNU has chosen 1752 for
its default.
I don't think he understands that.
But representing all human languages in digital form is not
a trivial undertaking. First there were many ISO code pages
for various language groups. Then, at the late time of 1991,
Unicode was established.
Yes, and Linus took care of it because he wasn't a native American, when Microsoft still doesn't care about it because Bill GATES is a fucking
limited American considering English is the only language that matters
and the others can go to hell.
The purpose of the "Hello World!" program isn't to prove you are able to program.
It's completely that. Look at your claims: you say that UTF-8 is
important to write correctly mathematical symbols and you are unable to
write any French word when you try to impress I don't know who. You are
that limited that you can't even copy/paste my first name when you
write it. You are the perfect example of the limited American.
It's completely that. Look at your claims: you say that UTF-8 is
important to write correctly mathematical symbols and you are unable to
write any French word when you try to impress I don't know who. You are
that limited that you can't even copy/paste my first name when you
write it. You are the perfect example of the limited American.
If one is serious about it (and I was), one can create one's own
characters in any language and use them with any keyboard pattern
convenient to him.
On 18 Jan 2025 22:53:38 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
It's completely that. Look at your claims: you say that UTF-8 is
important to write correctly mathematical symbols and you are unable to
write any French word when you try to impress I don't know who. You are
that limited that you can't even copy/paste my first name when you
write it. You are the perfect example of the limited American.
I believe that English is the de facto language of Usenet.
There are French newsgroups that are prefixed with "fr." but
otherwise it is understood that English is the only language
permitted.
On 18 Jan 2025 22:53:38 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
It's completely that. Look at your claims: you say that UTF-8 is
important to write correctly mathematical symbols and you are unable to
write any French word when you try to impress I don't know who. You are
that limited that you can't even copy/paste my first name when you
write it. You are the perfect example of the limited American.
You overlook the fact that the standard computer keyboard,
when faced with Unicode input, is extremely limited.
No one, and that includes myself, wants to press multiple keys
in sequence or in combination just to enter a single character.
But it's not only pressing the keys. It's also learning and remembering
the correct sequence/combination.
Consider your name. I can copy/paste:
Stéphane
But if I could not copy/paste then I would have to know the
correct sequence/combination of keys and I can't waste time with
learning something that I will use only very infrequently.
The approximation, Stephane, although imperfect, is good enough
and no one should have any complaints.
Unicode math symbols are extensive but, AFAIK, there are no
keyboards that contain even a partial subset of the symbols.
Instead, a complicated sequence/combination of key presses
is required for each symbol and such key presses often differ
with different software. Entering math symbols is a huge
mess.
Then you can enter the "integral" symbol by pressing Win+J,
where Win is the otherwise useless "Windows Menu" key on some
keyboards.
This layout needs some work and is also DOES NOT WORK ON THAT
JUNK WAYLAND.
Le 19-01-2025, Farley Flud <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 18 Jan 2025 22:53:38 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
It's completely that. Look at your claims: you say that UTF-8 is
important to write correctly mathematical symbols and you are unable to
write any French word when you try to impress I don't know who. You are
that limited that you can't even copy/paste my first name when you
write it. You are the perfect example of the limited American.
I believe that English is the de facto language of Usenet.
There are French newsgroups that are prefixed with "fr." but
otherwise it is understood that English is the only language
permitted.
As always, you ran fast Forrest. Speaking English words here shouldn't prevent the tools to be able to use letters not in the English
dictionary. And it shouldn't prevent you to use the diacritical signs
when you chose to use French words because you believe it makes you look
cool when it only proves you are limited by your old tools.
And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
Small correction:
"someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."
As always, you ran fast Forrest.
Speaking English words here shouldn't
prevent the tools to be able to use letters not in the English
dictionary. And it shouldn't prevent you to use the diacritical signs
when you chose to use French words because you believe it makes you look
cool when it only proves you are limited by your old tools.
Unicode math symbols are extensive but, AFAIK, there are no
keyboards that contain even a partial subset of the symbols.
Instead, a complicated sequence/combination of key presses
is required for each symbol and such key presses often differ
with different software. Entering math symbols is a huge
mess.
There are tools here to help you with that.
The "Windows key" is just useless for you who are a lackey of your
mouse pretending the keyboard is superior.
This layout needs some work and is also DOES NOT WORK ON THAT
JUNK WAYLAND.
Exactly my point. It's a lot of work where alternatives are easy to use
and better which can work at the same time with wayland and with xorg.
you'd know how important a good terminal is and you would consider
kitty,
Le 24-01-2025, DFS <[email protected]ca> a écrit :
On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
Small correction:
"someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."
Thanks, I'll try to remember it. It's a difficult point because French
and English words are not always displayed u=in the same order.
I guess the more I read English, the less I'll do the mistake.
On 24 Jan 2025 19:40:10 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
As always, you ran fast Forrest.
??????????????????
Speaking English words here shouldn't
prevent the tools to be able to use letters not in the English
dictionary. And it shouldn't prevent you to use the diacritical signs
when you chose to use French words because you believe it makes you look
cool when it only proves you are limited by your old tools.
Fuck you!
The language of Usenet, as with global navigation, is English.
If you desire to participate on this NG then you will use English
or else you will get the fuck out.
Don't blame me, or my keyboard, for your utter lack of language
skills. Other participants of Usenet have no problem.
Either join your .fr groups or get the fuck out. It is English
only accepted here.
On 24 Jan 2025 19:40:10 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
As always, you ran fast Forrest.
??????????????????
Stop running away from the real subject which is: the tools
shouldn't be limited by the English language.
I'm not complaining about that. I'm saying that your keyboard, as all keyboard designed for Americans are only designed to write English, the
rest can fall into oblivion.
If I could read/write/speak a few sentences in another language I'd be
happy. But as you said, the US is the center of the world, and nearly everyone else speaks English. Thanks for accommodating us!
If you desire to participate on this NG then you will use English or
else you will get the fuck out.
There is no such thing as "the" standard computer keyboard.
On 24 Jan 2025 22:55:57 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Stop running away from the real subject which is: the tools
shouldn't be limited by the English language.
What fucking tools are you fucking talking about?
And as I indicated earlier, it is the KEYBOARD that is largely
responsible for the inadequate use of international Unicode characters.
I also provided a fantastic X Window mathematical keyboard
modification which you totally ignored (most likely because it won't
function under that junk Wayland).
The fucking keyboard has to be modified,
It proves that _I_ am the true progressive innovator and
that _you_ are the conventional and backward lackey.
Don't bother me anymore with your ridiculous and antiquated
"solutions."
On 1/24/2025 5:19 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 24-01-2025, DFS <[email protected]ca> a écrit :
On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for
someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
Small correction:
"someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."
Thanks, I'll try to remember it. It's a difficult point because French
and English words are not always displayed u=in the same order.
If I could read/write/speak a few sentences in another language I'd be
happy.
I guess the more I read English, the less I'll do the mistake.
Correction:
"make that mistake."
'make a/the/that mistake' is how it's said here (present tense)
* If you hurry, you're more likely to make a mistake.
* Did you make the mistake of installing Linux?
* I won't make that mistake again.
'made' is the past tense:
* He made a mistake.
* She made two mistakes.
But like I said, your English is good and often has more nuance than I
would expect from a non-native speaker.
There is no such thing as "the" standard computer keyboard. The fact
On 24 Jan 2025 20:16:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
There is no such thing as "the" standard computer keyboard.
The most common one would be the 🇺🇸 layout, which we use here in 🇳🇿 as
well.
Le 24-01-2025, DFS <[email protected]ca> a écrit :
On 1/24/2025 5:19 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 24-01-2025, DFS <[email protected]ca> a écrit :
On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for >>>>> someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
Small correction:
"someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."
Thanks, I'll try to remember it. It's a difficult point because French
and English words are not always displayed u=in the same order.
If I could read/write/speak a few sentences in another language I'd be
happy.
You should try to learn. One thing I never anticipated in learning a
foreign language was: I'd learn about my language, too. In your language,
you have some habits and don't realize things too obvious. And when you
learn another language, you compare it with your own language and
realize things about your language you never anticipated.
I guess the more I read English, the less I'll do the mistake.
Correction:
"make that mistake."
OK, here, it's a difficult point too. Because in French, there is only
one word to say "do" and "make". If I know the difference between them,
it's not always obvious to know which one I have to use.
'make a/the/that mistake' is how it's said here (present tense)
* If you hurry, you're more likely to make a mistake.
* Did you make the mistake of installing Linux?
* I won't make that mistake again.
'made' is the past tense:
* He made a mistake.
* She made two mistakes.
Here, it's not the mistake I made. I know when to choose between "make"
and "made", as I know when to choose between "do" and "did". I can use
the wrong one, but only if I'm tired or if I don't take enough care, not because lack of knowledge. I never know when to use "chose" or "choose" because they have the same pronunciation and I'll always have to look
on Internet to find the answer.
I also provided a fantastic X Window mathematical keyboard
modification which you totally ignored (most likely because it won't
function under that junk Wayland).
I didn't ignored it, I answered you. It's not fantastic, it's garbage
for anyone considering the keyboard is superior to the mouse.
On 25 Jan 2025 10:43:12 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
I also provided a fantastic X Window mathematical keyboard
modification which you totally ignored (most likely because it won't
function under that junk Wayland).
I didn't ignored it, I answered you. It's not fantastic, it's garbage
for anyone considering the keyboard is superior to the mouse.
_You_ are garbage.
That keyboard is fantastic.
For one thing, it parallels the Latin characters with most of the
Greek alphabet.
For example, to type "alpha" I just press Win+a
because "a" is parallel to "alpha." It's the same for "beta" || "b"
and so on. I can also get an upper-case "alpha" with Shift+Win+a
and so on.
As I mentioned, the keyboard needs work.
I only use the "Win" key and the "Shift+Win" combination but there are
a lot of other combinations possible. I can create a LOT of math
symbols.
But _you_ cannot realize my fantastic keyboard extension because
you are helplessly stuck in that pseudo-modern junk called
Wayland.
I say "fuck Wayland."
Give me X
and then get out of the fucking way.
Le 24-01-2025, DFS <[email protected]ca> a écrit :
On 1/24/2025 5:19 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 24-01-2025, DFS <[email protected]ca> a écrit :
On 1/24/2025 3:16 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
And kitty is well integrated with vim which is a good text editor for >>>>> someone using more extensively his keyboard than his mouse.
Small correction:
"someone using his keyboard more extensively than his mouse."
Thanks, I'll try to remember it. It's a difficult point because French
and English words are not always displayed u=in the same order.
If I could read/write/speak a few sentences in another language I'd be
happy.
You should try to learn.
One thing I never anticipated in learning a
foreign language was: I'd learn about my language, too. In your language,
you have some habits and don't realize things too obvious. And when you
learn another language, you compare it with your own language and
realize things about your language you never anticipated.
I guess the more I read English, the less I'll do the mistake.
Correction:
"make that mistake."
OK, here, it's a difficult point too. Because in French, there is only
one word to say "do" and "make". If I know the difference between them,
it's not always obvious to know which one I have to use.
'make a/the/that mistake' is how it's said here (present tense)
* If you hurry, you're more likely to make a mistake.
* Did you make the mistake of installing Linux?
* I won't make that mistake again.
'made' is the past tense:
* He made a mistake.
* She made two mistakes.
Here, it's not the mistake I made. I know when to choose between "make"
and "made", as I know when to choose between "do" and "did". I can use
the wrong one, but only if I'm tired or if I don't take enough care, not because lack of knowledge. I never know when to use "chose" or "choose" because they have the same pronunciation
and I'll always have to look
on Internet to find the answer.
But like I said, your English is good and often has more nuance than I
would expect from a non-native speaker.
It's mandatory if I want to improve. I have to look for more words than
the one who comes naturally.
No, they have very different pronunciations in English:
chose sounds like chOz long o (froze)
choose sounds like chooz long u (cruise)
lose sounds like looz long u (booze)
loose sounds like looss long u and sibilant s (hiss, moose)
chose doesn't sound at all like the others
choose and lose rhyme closely
choose and loose partially rhyme
It must be a pain for 'foreigners' to learn.
Also:
cut is a short u - uh
cute is a long u - yoo (also look up 'magic e' words)
coot is a long u - oo
And then there's English slang.
Slimer/Crude Sausage is very fluent in French and English (and Polish),
so he can help you too (when he's not too busy writing fanboy letters to Trump and Putin and Assad).
On 1/25/25 9:07 AM, DFS wrote:
Slimer/Crude Sausage is very fluent in French and English (and
Polish), so he can help you too (when he's not too busy writing fanboy
letters to Trump and Putin and Assad).
It's still better than masturbating to images of Kamala Harris and
Hillary Clinton the way that you do.
Do you really need Greek alphabet to open a new application?
On 1/25/2025 9:16 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 1/25/25 9:07 AM, DFS wrote:
Slimer/Crude Sausage is very fluent in French and English (and
Polish), so he can help you too (when he's not too busy writing
fanboy letters to Trump and Putin and Assad).
It's still better than masturbating to images of Kamala Harris and
Hillary Clinton the way that you do.
The deranged lowlife Trump pardoned hundreds of violent Jan 6 losers. Unbelievable.
Even some of those pardoned think the pardons are a joke:
Jason Riddle pleaded guilty to theft of government property and
illegally protesting inside the Capitol. He was sentenced in April 2022
to 90 days in prison.
He was struggling with alcohol in Jan 2021, and "obsessed" with Trump.
Now he says: "I don't need to obsess over a narcissistic bully to feel
better about myself. Trump can shove his pardon up his a--."
But the crackdown on the greasy illegals invasion is a GREAT thing, asSoon, there won't be spics and niggers lining up to rape Chris Ahlstrom.
is the shutdown of DEI in the federal govt, and many of his early
executive orders.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/what-has-trump-signed-so-far- full-list-of-executive-orders-actions-taken-in-1st-week-of- presidency/3655184/
"I love French wine, like I the French language. I have sampled every language, French is my favorite. Fantastic language. Especially to curse with. Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère. It's like wiping your arse with silk. I love it."
Most of your posts, after I read them, create the question for me, "Then what?" I understand you enjoy creating the tools. But beyond some point
doing that over and over becomes meaningless.
I remember after a couple of years of married life, one
Saturday morning after we had our breakfast in the nice patio,
I turned to her and asked, "So what are we going to do?"
On 1/25/25 5:24 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
On 25 Jan 2025 10:43:12 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
{snip usual drivel}
Most of your posts, after I read them, create the question for me, "Then what?" I understand you enjoy creating the tools. But beyond some point
doing that over and over becomes meaningless. It becomes like what
computer enthusiasts do with their computers. Upgrade and upgrade to the
best that's possible. And then, instead of taking the next step, they
just wait for another upgrade of the computer to become available and
jump at it doing what they'd been doing before, tens of times :)
Hahhahahhahh :)
Same with the OS. Same with their cars. I guess same with their wives,
kids, etc.
They never take the next step. Not anyone in this forum anyway.
On 1/25/25 9:47 AM, DFS wrote:
On 1/25/2025 9:16 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 1/25/25 9:07 AM, DFS wrote:
Slimer/Crude Sausage is very fluent in French and English (and
Polish), so he can help you too (when he's not too busy writing
fanboy letters to Trump and Putin and Assad).
It's still better than masturbating to images of Kamala Harris and
Hillary Clinton the way that you do.
The deranged lowlife Trump pardoned hundreds of violent Jan 6 losers.
Unbelievable.
He pardoned patriots just like he said he would, the horror!
Even some of those pardoned think the pardons are a joke:
Jason Riddle pleaded guilty to theft of government property and
illegally protesting inside the Capitol. He was sentenced in April
2022 to 90 days in prison.
He was struggling with alcohol in Jan 2021, and "obsessed" with Trump.
Now he says: "I don't need to obsess over a narcissistic bully to feel
better about myself. Trump can shove his pardon up his a--."
If he feels that life is better in prison, that's fine.
However, Enrique
Tarrio in his interview on Louder with Crowder made it clear that these people were offered a release if they testified against Trump or spoke
ill of him.
It's pretty clear what happened here.
It's also pretty clear that facts
don't penetrate that head of yours when they contradict the
political beliefs you hold.
But the crackdown on the greasy illegals invasion is a GREAT thing, asSoon, there won't be spics and niggers lining up to rape Chris Ahlstrom.
is the shutdown of DEI in the federal govt, and many of his early
executive orders.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/what-has-trump-signed-so-far-
full-list-of-executive-orders-actions-taken-in-1st-week-of-
presidency/3655184/
He might soon be able to walk properly again.
On 1/25/2025 10:28 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 1/25/25 9:47 AM, DFS wrote:
On 1/25/2025 9:16 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 1/25/25 9:07 AM, DFS wrote:
Slimer/Crude Sausage is very fluent in French and English (and
Polish), so he can help you too (when he's not too busy writing
fanboy letters to Trump and Putin and Assad).
It's still better than masturbating to images of Kamala Harris and
Hillary Clinton the way that you do.
The deranged lowlife Trump pardoned hundreds of violent Jan 6 losers.
Unbelievable.
He pardoned patriots just like he said he would, the horror!
Being patriotic doesn't forgive violence and aggravated assault and
death threats to innocent people. Many of those Jan 6 dirtbags hit
security people and cops on the head with metal, choked them, gassed
them, shouted 'hang Mike Pence', etc.
I can only imagine the pathetic whining if cops did the same thing to them.
Le 25-01-2025, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> a écrit :
On 24 Jan 2025 20:16:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
There is no such thing as "the" standard computer keyboard.
The most common one would be the 🇺🇸 layout, which we use here in 🇳🇿 as
well.
In the picture which one represents the real standard one? <https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/s4u4ju/a_guide_i_made_on_keyboard_sizes/#lightbox>
On 1/25/2025 6:05 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 25-01-2025, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> a écrit :
On 24 Jan 2025 20:16:52 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
There is no such thing as "the" standard computer keyboard.
The most common one would be the 🇺🇸 layout, which we use here in 🇳🇿 as
well.
In the picture which one represents the real standard one?
<https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/s4u4ju/a_guide_i_made_on_keyboard_sizes/#lightbox>
K is by far the most common layout I've seen. I would consider it the standard.
On 25 Jan 2025 14:06:50 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Do you really need Greek alphabet to open a new application?
Jeezus F. Christ! You really are a fucking IDIOT.
This special X keyboard extension, as I clearly and repeatedly
indicated, is made to facilitate MATHEMATICAL INPUT. That's
all.
Furthermore, I can enable and disable it at will according to
my needs. Can that be done with that junk Wayland?
Answer: No.
Now get back to your pseudo-futuristic junk Wayland. It was
created by idiots for idiots.
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