<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10 systems starting with next month's security update.
On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows
10 systems starting with next month's security update.
Another nothing burger.
Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
forces on you.
On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force- install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
systems starting with next month's security update.
Another nothing burger.
Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
forces on you.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:43:14 -0500, DFS wrote:
On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
systems starting with next month's security update.
Another nothing burger.
Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
forces on you.
You can pick and choose during the installation. I'll admit I go for the default and get stuff like LibreOffice that I may never use on my personal machines but I'm lazy.
On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
systems starting with next month's security update.
Another nothing burger.
Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
forces on you.
On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-10 12:43, DFS wrote:
On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows
10 systems starting with next month's security update.
Another nothing burger.
Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
forces on you.
Once again, you miss the point: your operating system does not care what
you want or don't want because your computer doesn't belong to you.
What "apps" does Linux "force" on you, DuFuS? I guess you've never heard of minimal Linux installations?
(Sorry to hijack your post, Crude.)
On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
systems starting with next month's security update.
The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft
365 apps users.
As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10
devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
"New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults.
Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
side," Microsoft says.
"Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday. >>
New Outlook user interface
New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your
Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName
(Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
REG VALUE:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.
Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10
systems starting with next month's security update.
The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft >>> 365 apps users.
As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10 >>> devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices;
however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
"New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it
can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace
existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults. >>> Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
side," Microsoft says.
"Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part
of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
New Outlook user interface
New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your >>> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName >>> (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
REG VALUE:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced
in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024. >>
I would use it under Win11 in another life, where I wasn't supported
by the OSS community.
Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:27:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
I use the Outlook web interface for the company email when at home. At
work I can directly access the mail server with Thunderbird.
On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-11 04:27, RonB wrote:
On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10 >>>> systems starting with next month's security update.
The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft >>>> 365 apps users.
As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10 >>>> devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force
installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and
will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that
there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices; >>>> however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
"New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it >>>> can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace >>>> existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults. >>>> Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by
side," Microsoft says.
"Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part >>>> of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
New Outlook user interface
New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your >>>> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet
with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName >>>> (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
REG VALUE:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a
value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows
Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced >>>> in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in
September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.
Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
If you use a Microsoft account, the new Outlook is light enough to be
fun to use. It's a lot less clunky than the older Outlook application
albeit not as functional. Still, I would rather these people actually
give me a choice as to whether I have the program on my computer or not.
I quite like how I can remove anything and everything from a Linux
installation.
Light or not light, I have zero interest in Outlook. I never even used it when I used Windows.
Speaking of Windows... my son's Windows 10 computer was hosed (probably because he wouldn't let it update). So we got him an SSD where I was
planning on doing a new install. I thought I was using a Windows 10 USB for the install, but apparently it was Windows 11 from 2022. At any rate it installed and updated, but threw an error (can't update).
TPC 2.0 wasn't turned on in the BIOS, which was required to get it past a certain point. So I turned that on, still wouldn't update. So I finally
found out I had to use one of the options on Microsoft's download page to update it. It got to about 76% (or so) and the update stopped because the NVMe's firmware wasn't updated(?). Really? The damned firmware not being updated on the (obviously) working SSD and Windows 11 wouldn't update? Is this the kind of crap everyone is going to run into when trying to update to Windows 11 from Windows 10?
Anyhow I downloaded and installed the firmware for the WD Blue SSD (when did San-disk buy Western Digital?) and hit the "Refresh" button on the install page. Hit it again... and again... and again... Zero response. So I had to start the install again. Of course it stopped — again — with the SSD firmware issue. I realized ah, crap, I'll have to restart the computer. (Crappy Windows) before it will see the firmware update. It took forever again, but the update finished with only one more restart... and about another fifteen minutes of waiting. But, *finally* the update was
complete... wait a minute, Windows immediately started downloading the next update... so I guess the loop goes on and on.
Windows 11 updates may be better than than Windows 10 ones, but it's still total crap compared to Linux.
On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-11 15:11, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:27:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
I use the Outlook web interface for the company email when at home. At
work I can directly access the mail server with Thunderbird.
I made the mistake of setting up my work e-mail in Thunderbird in the
past. By accident, you'll end up sending more than one message with the
wrong e-mail adress.
I can understand that. That's why I quit using Thunderbird for Newsgroup posts.
Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
forces on you.
On 2025-01-12, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-12 03:38, RonB wrote:
On 2025-01-11, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-01-11 04:27, RonB wrote:
On 2025-01-10, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows 10 >>>>>> systems starting with next month's security update.
The announcement was made in a new message added to the company's
Microsoft 365 Admin Center, tagged MC976059, and it applies to Microsoft >>>>>> 365 apps users.
As Redmond explains, the new Outlook app will be installed on Windows 10 >>>>>> devices for users who deploy the optional January 28 update and force >>>>>> installed for all who install the February 11 security update.
The new Outlook client will run alongside the classic Outlook app and >>>>>> will not modify configurations or user defaults. Microsoft added that >>>>>> there's no way to block it from being installed on Windows 10 devices; >>>>>> however, those who don't want it can remove it afterward.
"New Outlook exists as an installed app on the device. For instance, it >>>>>> can be found in the Apps section of the Start Menu. It does not replace >>>>>> existing (classic) Outlook or change any configurations / user defaults. >>>>>> Both (classic) Outlook and New Outlook for Windows can run side by >>>>>> side," Microsoft says.
"Currently, there isn't a way to block the new Outlook from being
installed - if you prefer not to have new Outlook show up on your
organization's devices, you can remove it after it's installed as part >>>>>> of the update," the company added in a support document updated on Thursday.
New Outlook user interface
New Outlook user interface (Microsoft)
To remove the new Outlook app package after it's force installed on your >>>>>> Windows device, you can use the Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage cmdlet >>>>>> with the PackageName parameter value Microsoft.OutlookForWindows.
This can be done by running the following command from a Windows
PowerShell prompt and adding a new reg value:
PowerShell: Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -AllUsers -Online -PackageName >>>>>> (Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.OutlookForWindows).PackageFullName
REG VALUE:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe\OutlookUpdate
Next, add a REG_SZ registry setting named BlockedOobeUpdaters with a >>>>>> value of ["MS_Outlook"]. After removing the Outlook package, Windows >>>>>> Updates will not reinstall the new Outlook client.
The first preview version of the new Outlook for Windows was introduced >>>>>> in May 2022. The app was generally available for personal accounts in >>>>>> September 2023 (via the September 26 Windows fall update and the
Microsoft Store on Windows 11) and for commercial customers in August 2024.
Even if I used Windows I wouldn't use Outlook.
If you use a Microsoft account, the new Outlook is light enough to be
fun to use. It's a lot less clunky than the older Outlook application
albeit not as functional. Still, I would rather these people actually
give me a choice as to whether I have the program on my computer or not. >>>> I quite like how I can remove anything and everything from a Linux
installation.
Light or not light, I have zero interest in Outlook. I never even used it >>> when I used Windows.
Speaking of Windows... my son's Windows 10 computer was hosed (probably
because he wouldn't let it update). So we got him an SSD where I was
planning on doing a new install. I thought I was using a Windows 10 USB for >>> the install, but apparently it was Windows 11 from 2022. At any rate it
installed and updated, but threw an error (can't update).
TPC 2.0 wasn't turned on in the BIOS, which was required to get it past a >>> certain point. So I turned that on, still wouldn't update. So I finally
found out I had to use one of the options on Microsoft's download page to >>> update it. It got to about 76% (or so) and the update stopped because the >>> NVMe's firmware wasn't updated(?). Really? The damned firmware not being >>> updated on the (obviously) working SSD and Windows 11 wouldn't update? Is >>> this the kind of crap everyone is going to run into when trying to update to
Windows 11 from Windows 10?
If the firmware were a problem, the computer should not have even
allowed the SSD to be detected. Either way, you can use a Linux live
environment to either use fwupd or the GUI alternative and update the
firmware before trying again. I notice fwupd is much better than
Microsoft or ASUS's own tools when it comes to updating secure boot.
I totally agree. And why doesn't Windows check all the requirements BEFORE it spends an hour or an hour and a half "installing." How stupid are these people? I had no idea TPM was shut in the BIOS. I forgot to mention that, since we couldn't fix the issues with Windows 10 on the hard drive, I had to buy another license for Windows 11, so now the the same computer has two licenses. I just found out that a different son has been using an "unactivated" Windows install since he replaced his motherboard. Fortunately you can pick up these license keys on eBay for about $5 to $10 (and I don't feel bad at all about it). I think it's stupid to have to re-license a computer that's already licensed.
Just more reasons to hate hobbyware Windows.
Anyhow I downloaded and installed the firmware for the WD Blue SSD (when did
San-disk buy Western Digital?) and hit the "Refresh" button on the install >>> page. Hit it again... and again... and again... Zero response. So I had to >>> start the install again. Of course it stopped — again — with the SSD >>> firmware issue. I realized ah, crap, I'll have to restart the computer.
(Crappy Windows) before it will see the firmware update. It took forever >>> again, but the update finished with only one more restart... and about
another fifteen minutes of waiting. But, *finally* the update was
complete... wait a minute, Windows immediately started downloading the next >>> update... so I guess the loop goes on and on.
Windows 11 updates may be better than than Windows 10 ones, but it's still >>> total crap compared to Linux.
Well, possibly. However, whenever I update this Fedora installation, it
refuses to restart, I have to force it to shut down and then have to
rebuild the NVIDIA driver. It's annoying, but I can live with what is
essentially a daily frustration.
I haven't had these kinds of problems with Fedora (or Linux Mint) but I have simple machines — as mentioned many times. If Fedora gives you that trouble every time you update it, I would only update it every other week or so. Maybe every third week.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:43:14 -0500, DFS wrote:
Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
forces on you.
Have you noticed this happening on your Linux installs? Please tell us.
Or is this something else you read in The Guardian?
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 11:33:48 -0500, -hh <[email protected]> wrote in <vm8o1d$313ov$[email protected]>:
On 1/15/25 10:46 AM, Joel wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:Where said "isn't cheap" $600 is ~half what Joel's already spent...
Linux is the only option worth pursuing. macOS is weird and
expensive, Windows is bloatware beyond belief.
macOS is free. Just needs a $600 mac to run it on.
Windows Home preinstalled on volume-produced gear is virtually free,
self-installed Linux completely free, but yes that "$600" you cite
isn't cheap for the device it buys. That OS upgrades are free is just
to incentivize buying/using an Apple device.
...or for when the Lady protests too much, after deducting off his
alleged $200 mistake of a second Windows OS license, roughly 50% less
($600 vs ($1150 - $200 = $950).
Having played the "buy a mac mini to get MacOS" game, I can tell
you that I was very disappointed.
The Mac Studio we have now is a few steps up, but it's not worth
what we paid for it.
It's clunky, and the security policies on
it are one-offs. It's a UNIX system, but they've bolted on extras
that are downright unfriendly.
Meanwhile Mrs. vallor's new workstation is still waiting in the wings;
turns out, she expanded the scope of "make a space on her desk"
into "re-organize her office". ;)
fu2: cola
These fucking COLA losers could never hope to imagine what
rigorous graduate school, especially in STEM, is like.
rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 10:40:14 -0500, Joel wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 03:09:43 +0000, Manu Raju wrote:
Linux gets bloats every two weeks and some people like it! I don't
and so I solved the dilemma by moving to Windows.
Windows is the one that needs regular defragging and running of dodgy
hacks like CCleaner etc. Linux does not.
I never needed that with Windows, but reinstalling ended up happening,
from time to time.
I haven't bothered with dual boot in a long time but the problem with a
Windows install that had been running for any length of time was it left
pecker tracks all over the HDD. You had to defrag to get enough free
storage all in one place.
I would only dual-boot with a second Windows SSD, but I reject the Win platform as a dead end.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
I would only dual-boot with a second Windows SSD, but I reject the Win
platform as a dead end.
I have to admit that once you get everything you use working in Linux,
the idea of going back to Windows makes you feel sick to your stomach.
It's hard not to love the stellar responsiveness of your computer under
Linux. No matter how fast your computer is, it always feel like it's
lagging in Windows. It's not even an fTPM issue; it just feels like the
system is waiting on something else before it responds to your action.
Linux doesn't take you for granted.
Physfitfreak wrote:
From today's craigslist:
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/d/lewisville-2009-toyota-yaris-hatchback/7815953954.html
2009 Toyota Yaris. A nice used car for just $1500. Right there about 20
minutes drive from me to go get it. If I had any serious problem with my
Echo 2002, I would jump on this one.
That's Chris A's old car, so it's probably never exceded the speed
limit.
I reject the Win platform as a dead end.
I'm seeing that if there is a
significant problem in Linux and there is a reason to fix it, they will.
I emphasize the adjective _significant_ there, not the ridiculous
"issues" DFS has with LibreOffice Calc.
On 1/17/2025 5:05 AM, Joel wrote:
I reject the Win platform as a dead end.
Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates.
On 1/17/2025 11:07 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
I'm seeing that if there is a significant problem in Linux and there
is a reason to fix it, they will. I emphasize the adjective
_significant_ there, not the ridiculous "issues" DFS has with
LibreOffice Calc.
Which ridiculous issues are you referring to?
DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
I reject the Win platform as a dead end.
Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates.
Explain how to keep up with demands on hardware without replacing
motherboard every three years. "Don't upgrade to Win12" only supports
my point.
DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
Explain how to keep up with demands on hardware without replacingI reject the Win platform as a dead end.
Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates. >>>
motherboard every three years. "Don't upgrade to Win12" only supports
my point.
Total absurd bullshit.
You have NEVER needed to upgrade/replace your mobo every 3 years for a
new version of Windows.
As I've requested several times, make sure to keep your current hardware >>around so I can rub your Linuxy face in it when Win13 installs and runs >>just fine on it.
And yet I already felt advancing 11 wasn't great.
On 1/18/2025 1:07 PM, Joel wrote:
DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
I reject the Win platform as a dead end.
Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates.
Explain how to keep up with demands on hardware without replacing
motherboard every three years. "Don't upgrade to Win12" only supports
my point.
Total absurd bullshit.
You have NEVER needed to upgrade/replace your mobo every 3 years for a
new version of Windows.
As I've requested several times, make sure to keep your current hardware around so I can rub your Linuxy face in it when Win13 installs and runs
just fine on it.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/18/25 4:08 PM, DFS wrote:
On 1/18/2025 1:07 PM, Joel wrote:
DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
Explain how to keep up with demands on hardware without replacingI reject the Win platform as a dead end.
Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates. >>>>
motherboard every three years. "Don't upgrade to Win12" only supports >>>> my point.
Total absurd bullshit.
You have NEVER needed to upgrade/replace your mobo every 3 years for a
new version of Windows.
As I've requested several times, make sure to keep your current hardware >>> around so I can rub your Linuxy face in it when Win13 installs and runs
just fine on it.
I have to agree with you here. There was pressure to buy new hardware
every two or three years back in the 90s, but hardware nowadays easily
goes a decade with the original operating system on it. However, Windows
in that time will become unbearably slow for most users since they
usually have no idea how to maintain it. Linux, for its part, will be
just as fast ten years down the line as it was on day one.
For you to be right for my machine, Win10 would need support till
2031, it's ending this year with an optional paid extension.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/18/25 4:08 PM, DFS wrote:
On 1/18/2025 1:07 PM, Joel wrote:
DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
Explain how to keep up with demands on hardware without replacingI reject the Win platform as a dead end.
Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates. >>>>
motherboard every three years. "Don't upgrade to Win12" only supports >>>> my point.
Total absurd bullshit.
You have NEVER needed to upgrade/replace your mobo every 3 years for a
new version of Windows.
As I've requested several times, make sure to keep your current hardware >>> around so I can rub your Linuxy face in it when Win13 installs and runs
just fine on it.
I have to agree with you here. There was pressure to buy new hardware
every two or three years back in the 90s, but hardware nowadays easily
goes a decade with the original operating system on it. However, Windows
in that time will become unbearably slow for most users since they
usually have no idea how to maintain it. Linux, for its part, will be
just as fast ten years down the line as it was on day one.
For you to be right for my machine, Win10 would need support till
2031, it's ending this year with an optional paid extension.
Check this deal on a laptop:th=1
https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-V15-G2-Dual-core-Processor/dp/B0CNKZ7CSY?
On 1/18/25 4:08 PM, DFS wrote:
On 1/18/2025 1:07 PM, Joel wrote:
DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
I reject the Win platform as a dead end.
Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates. >>>
Explain how to keep up with demands on hardware without replacing
motherboard every three years. "Don't upgrade to Win12" only supports
my point.
Total absurd bullshit.
You have NEVER needed to upgrade/replace your mobo every 3 years for a
new version of Windows.
As I've requested several times, make sure to keep your current hardware
around so I can rub your Linuxy face in it when Win13 installs and runs
just fine on it.
I have to agree with you here. There was pressure to buy new hardware
every two or three years back in the 90s, but hardware nowadays easily
goes a decade with the original operating system on it.
However, Windows
in that time will become unbearably slow for most users since they
usually have no idea how to maintain it. Linux, for its part, will be
just as fast ten years down the line as it was on day one.
On 2025-01-18, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/18/25 4:08 PM, DFS wrote:
On 1/18/2025 1:07 PM, Joel wrote:
DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
I reject the Win platform as a dead end.
Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates. >>>>
Explain how to keep up with demands on hardware without replacing
motherboard every three years. "Don't upgrade to Win12" only supports >>>> my point.
Total absurd bullshit.
You have NEVER needed to upgrade/replace your mobo every 3 years for a
new version of Windows.
As I've requested several times, make sure to keep your current hardware >>> around so I can rub your Linuxy face in it when Win13 installs and runs
just fine on it.
I have to agree with you here. There was pressure to buy new hardware
every two or three years back in the 90s, but hardware nowadays easily
goes a decade with the original operating system on it. However, Windows
in that time will become unbearably slow for most users since they
usually have no idea how to maintain it. Linux, for its part, will be
just as fast ten years down the line as it was on day one.
And considerably faster if you replace the hard drive with an SSD. My old computers are "living" proof of that.
Le 18-01-2025, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 1/18/25 4:08 PM, DFS wrote:
On 1/18/2025 1:07 PM, Joel wrote:
DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
I reject the Win platform as a dead end.
Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates. >>>>
Explain how to keep up with demands on hardware without replacing
motherboard every three years. "Don't upgrade to Win12" only supports >>>> my point.
Total absurd bullshit.
You have NEVER needed to upgrade/replace your mobo every 3 years for a
new version of Windows.
As I've requested several times, make sure to keep your current hardware >>> around so I can rub your Linuxy face in it when Win13 installs and runs
just fine on it.
I have to agree with you here. There was pressure to buy new hardware
every two or three years back in the 90s, but hardware nowadays easily
goes a decade with the original operating system on it.
Except now Microsoft request people to update to the last available
version of Windows. Which is not always possible due to hardware requirements.
However, Windows
in that time will become unbearably slow for most users since they
usually have no idea how to maintain it. Linux, for its part, will be
just as fast ten years down the line as it was on day one.
That's another subject, but yes.
-hh <[email protected]> wrote:
.... There was pressure to buy new hardware every two
or three years back in the 90s, but hardware nowadays easily
goes a decade with the original operating system on it.
...
For you to be right for my machine, Win10 would need support...
Win10 need[s] support till
2031, it's ending this year with an optional paid extension.
Not necessarily: Win10 came out back in 2015, and your current PC
was a license transfer from an older machine.
When was that older PC originally put into service with Win10?
Think, power user, is anyone other than Relf's old computer running a
vintage *build* of Windows 10, since an expert knows it grew bloat-
wise at least until 20H2. It would save me from Win11 hell, if it had
real extended support, but they'll make it short-term. M$ has
endorsed GNU/Linux.
And considerably faster if you replace the hard drive with an SSD. My
old computers are "living" proof of that.
-hh <[email protected]> wrote:
Original context:
.... There was pressure to buy new hardware every two
or three years back in the 90s, but hardware nowadays easily
goes a decade with the original operating system on it.
...
For you to be right for my machine, Win10 would need support...
Win10 need[s] support till
2031, it's ending this year with an optional paid extension.
Not necessarily: Win10 came out back in 2015, and your current PC
was a license transfer from an older machine.
When was that older PC originally put into service with Win10?
Think, power user, is anyone other than Relf's old computer running a
vintage *build* of Windows 10, since an expert knows it grew bloat-
wise at least until 20H2. It would save me from Win11 hell, if it had
real extended support, but they'll make it short-term. M$ has
endorsed GNU/Linux.
Irrelevant to the question posed on lifecycle costs ...
"When was that older PC originally put into service with Win10?"
My PC started life with 20H2, which was a dream.
M$ has disowned numerous computers.
-hh <[email protected]> wrote:
Win10 need[s] support till
2031, it's ending this year with an optional paid extension.
Not necessarily: Win10 came out back in 2015, and your current PC >>>>>> was a license transfer from an older machine.
When was that older PC originally put into service with Win10?
Think, power user, is anyone other than Relf's old computer running a >>>>> vintage *build* of Windows 10, since an expert knows it grew bloat-
wise at least until 20H2. It would save me from Win11 hell, if it had >>>>> real extended support, but they'll make it short-term. M$ has
endorsed GNU/Linux.
Irrelevant to the question posed on lifecycle costs ...
"When was that older PC originally put into service with Win10?"
My PC started life with 20H2, which was a dream.
Which PC? The new one that you've since given up on Windows for?
My Linux dream machine, yes.
And when was this, for the question still remains unanswered:
"When was that older PC originally put into service with Win10?"
At 10's release, it had 7 and 8/8.1, then 7 again, then 10, then
Linux.
M$ has disowned numerous computers.
By almost as much as you've avoided answering this simple question.
Win10 would make this PC golden, but support is dropped.
-hh <[email protected]> wrote:
And when was this, for the question still remains unanswered:
"When was that older PC originally put into service with Win10?"
At 10's release, it had 7 and 8/8.1, then 7 again, then 10, then
Linux.
Meaning that it predated Win10's 2015 release date,
It was two years old for W8 upgrade ($40 for Pro).
It got whatever Windows 8.1 was supported for*, 10 became poor (2019).
* Jan. 10, 2023, 12 years after initial build
M$ has disowned numerous computers.
By almost as much as you've avoided answering this simple question.
Win10 would make this PC golden, but support is dropped.
Support hasn't been dropped yet.
I need something less on its deathbed.
MS has extended claimed EOL's in the
past and could easily do so again.
There will be paid extended support for security fixes. But it's
clinging.
Plus Win10 currently has a 62.7% usage share of all Windows OS systems,
and it doesn't seem all that likely that its usage is going to drop fast
enough to make it an insignificant percentage by October 2025
<https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide>
Plus even if an OEM's official support has ended, there's nothing which
prevents you from just continuing to run a legacy OS. Case in point, 3%
of Windows usage share is of pre-Win10 OS's (XP/7/8/etc) still in use.
Microsoft doesn't understand the reluctance to use Linux.
On 2025-01-19, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/19/25 2:22 AM, RonB wrote:
On 2025-01-18, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/18/25 4:08 PM, DFS wrote:
On 1/18/2025 1:07 PM, Joel wrote:
DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
I reject the Win platform as a dead end.
Windows will long outlive you and all the other doomsday cola advocates.
Explain how to keep up with demands on hardware without replacing
motherboard every three years. "Don't upgrade to Win12" only supports >>>>>> my point.
Total absurd bullshit.
You have NEVER needed to upgrade/replace your mobo every 3 years for a >>>>> new version of Windows.
As I've requested several times, make sure to keep your current hardware >>>>> around so I can rub your Linuxy face in it when Win13 installs and runs >>>>> just fine on it.
I have to agree with you here. There was pressure to buy new hardware
every two or three years back in the 90s, but hardware nowadays easily >>>> goes a decade with the original operating system on it. However, Windows >>>> in that time will become unbearably slow for most users since they
usually have no idea how to maintain it. Linux, for its part, will be
just as fast ten years down the line as it was on day one.
And considerably faster if you replace the hard drive with an SSD. My old >>> computers are "living" proof of that.
I can't even imagine using a computer with a hard disk nowadays. I guess
it takes severe retardation, like the one Larry Pietraskiewicz is
suffering from, to see benefits to using one.
Hard drives work pretty well for backing up files when used in USB enclosures. That's basically all I use them for now.
On 2025-01-10 12:43, DFS wrote:
On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows
10 systems starting with next month's security update.
Another nothing burger.
Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
forces on you.
Once again, you miss the point: your operating system does not care what
you want or don't want because your computer doesn't belong to you.
On 1/17/25 5:19 PM, DFS wrote:
On 1/17/2025 11:07 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
I'm seeing that if there is a significant problem in Linux and there
is a reason to fix it, they will. I emphasize the adjective
_significant_ there, not the ridiculous "issues" DFS has with
LibreOffice Calc.
Which ridiculous issues are you referring to?
I didn't pay enough attention to your constant complaints about
LibreOffice Calc and database software to record them.
I think us DIY guys tend to overspend and overbuild our systems. So
we don't save any money, but they are better-built.
On 1/17/2025 6:17 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 1/17/25 5:19 PM, DFS wrote:
On 1/17/2025 11:07 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
I'm seeing that if there is a significant problem in Linux and there
is a reason to fix it, they will. I emphasize the adjective
_significant_ there, not the ridiculous "issues" DFS has with
LibreOffice Calc.
Which ridiculous issues are you referring to?
I didn't pay enough attention to your constant complaints about
LibreOffice Calc and database software to record them.
I haven't complained specifically about Calc too much. It's barely acceptable, if you can't afford $25 for a recent version of MS Office/
Excel.
But LO Base should've been removed from LibreOffice years ago.
On 1/10/2025 1:59 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-01-10 12:43, DFS wrote:
On 1/10/2025 12:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-to-force-
install-new-outlook-on-windows-10-pcs-in-february/>
Microsoft will force install the new Outlook email client on Windows
10 systems starting with next month's security update.
Another nothing burger.
Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux
distro forces on you.
Once again, you miss the point: your operating system does not care
what you want or don't want because your computer doesn't belong to you.
You're drinking way too much GuhNoo kook-aid lately.
Linux distros don't care what you want or don't want - they put whatever
THEY want on it, and you're usually forced to install it. Maybe some
pieces can be uninstalled, and maybe not.
The claim that most distros offer 'minimal installations' is totally
untrue.
Distrowatch recent ranking
Distro minimal desktop install avail -------------- -----------------------------
1 Mint no
2 MX Linux yes (Fluxbox only)
3 EndeavourOS yes
4 Debian yes
5 CachyOS no
6 Manjaro no
7 Pop!_OS no
8 Ubuntu no
9 Fedora yes (CoreOS)
10 openSUSE yes (network image)
11 Zorin no
12 Nobara no
13 elementary no
14 KDE neon no
15 antiX yes
And your FOSS computer operating system doesn't belong to you in any
way, shape or form. It's permissively licensed, but it's not yours.
Many MS-hater kooks blather on about 'software freedom' and 'you have
the source - fix it yourself'. Having the source code is nice, but the extreme difficulty of modifying and re/deploying 3rd party code means
you're effectively locked into whatever they give you.
Now what point did I miss?
some dumb fsck wrote:
(idiocy and lies, snipped)
Install any of the distributions in that list and you can remove _every_ >application it comes with. You can make it as minimal as you wish if it >doesn't already allow you to install minimally.
A quick look at that list though says that Ubuntu doesn't allow a
minimal install. It does, so your facts are wrong. You can check a
review of the last few Ubuntu releases on YouTube for proof. As for the >distributions there that I tried, like Pop!_OS and Nobara, a minimal
install would defeat the purpose of even using the distribution. One is
based on Ubuntu and has modifications to make it better for the
computers it sells, power management, NVIDIA support and gaming in
general. In the case of Nobara, it is Fedora with the patches necessary
to make NVIDIA a better experience, same with gaming and a number of >modifications for ASUS hardware. If you wanted a minimal install of
either, just use Ubuntu and Fedora.
CrudeSausage wrote:
some dumb fsck wrote:
(idiocy and lies, snipped)
Out of the other side of this dumb fsck's filthy, lying gob, he'll
whine about "too many choices" in Linux distros.
Install any of the distributions in that list and you can remove _every_
application it comes with. You can make it as minimal as you wish if it
doesn't already allow you to install minimally.
A quick look at that list though says that Ubuntu doesn't allow a
minimal install. It does, so your facts are wrong. You can check a
review of the last few Ubuntu releases on YouTube for proof. As for the
distributions there that I tried, like Pop!_OS and Nobara, a minimal
install would defeat the purpose of even using the distribution. One is
based on Ubuntu and has modifications to make it better for the
computers it sells, power management, NVIDIA support and gaming in
general. In the case of Nobara, it is Fedora with the patches necessary
to make NVIDIA a better experience, same with gaming and a number of
modifications for ASUS hardware. If you wanted a minimal install of
either, just use Ubuntu and Fedora.
Right. Even if DumFSck wasn't lying about the user's freedom to
customize his installation, he's still ignoring the fact that with
GNU/Linux there is orders of magnitude more choice in pre-packaged distributions, compared to WinDOS.
On 1/12/2025 6:20 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 12:43:14 -0500, DFS wrote:
Apparently you never noticed the deluge of apps a typical Linux distro
forces on you.
Have you noticed this happening on your Linux installs? Please tell us.
Yes. For years I've installed distros by booting a LiveCD/DVD, trying
it for a little while, and if I liked it enough, installing from the
live desktop (setting it up as a dual-boot). It's been a long time
since I recall being offered individual packages or roles to install -
it usually just forced a lot of junk on you.
Or is this something else you read in The Guardian?
'DFS reads the Guardian' is silly and ineffective.
Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a _thrift_store.
On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:
Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a
_thrift_store.
We all have to be proud of something.
Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang
around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.
He has a better shack than you.
https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn
On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:
Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a
_thrift_store.
We all have to be proud of something.
Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang
around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.
He has a better shack than you.
https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn
On 2025-01-30, DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:
Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a
_thrift_store.
We all have to be proud of something.
Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang
around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.
He has a better shack than you.
https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn
Is that the joker who used to post about vitamin D to alt.os.linux ?
Yes, and it seems that vitamin D is what'S causing him alive.
*keeping. I need to correct myself or else Haystacks Scotty will react
by drinking a gallon of vegetable oil.
On 2025-01-31 7:20 p.m., pothead wrote:
On 2025-01-30, DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:
Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a
_thrift_store.
We all have to be proud of something.
Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang
around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.
He has a better shack than you.
https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn
Is that the joker who used to post about vitamin D to alt.os.linux ?
Yes, and it seems that vitamin D is what'S causing him alive.
CrudeSausage wrote:
Yes, and it seems that vitamin D is what'S causing him alive.
*keeping. I need to correct myself or else Haystacks Scotty will react
by drinking a gallon of vegetable oil.
Or some dumb fsck, who pretends that intelligent people don't make typos
and will attack his superiors when they do. Shameless jackasshole and
liar that he is, he thinks that's a path to "victory".
On 2025-01-30, DFS <[email protected]ca> wrote:
On 1/16/2025 3:40 PM, PhysFatFuck wrote:
Right now I'm using a computer that I bought last week for $12 in a
_thrift_store.
We all have to be proud of something.
Another useless, brokedown old geezer named John Gohde used to hang
around cola and talk about his $16 thrift store computer.
He has a better shack than you.
https://imgur.com/a/x9kUxyn
Is that the joker who used to post about vitamin D to alt.os.linux ?
Or some dumb fsck, who pretends that intelligent people
don't make
typos and will attack his superiors when they do. Shameless
jackasshole and liar that he is, he thinks that's a path to "victory".
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