What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
What is the advantage of HAVING an SD slot?
Since we already have USB-C, which BTW can handle everything, there is no point in a bunch of slots that might never get used. Slots that are also wasting valuable internal space of the device. Why not have a wired network port, HDMI, Display Port, audio in/out and USB-A slots in addition to the SD card slot?
Because that would be absurd. If one needs those ports, then get a USB-C dock
(I have 3) for those things. Problem(s) solved.
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 16:53:01 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
What's the actual *advantage* of not having an sd slot?
What is the advantage of HAVING an SD slot?
Since we already have USB-C, which BTW can handle everything, there is no
point in a bunch of slots that might never get used. Slots that are also
wasting valuable internal space of the device. Why not have a wired network >> port, HDMI, Display Port, audio in/out and USB-A slots in addition to the SD >> card slot?
Because that would be absurd. If one needs those ports, then get a USB-C dock
(I have 3) for those things. Problem(s) solved.
There is no advantage to not having an sd slot, and, in fact, the advantage of not having an sd slot is that you have to pay money to replace the functionality - and that advantage goes to Apple, Google, Motorola, etc.
There is no advantage to not having an sd slot, and, in fact, the advantage >> of not having an sd slot is that you have to pay money to replace the
functionality - and that advantage goes to Apple, Google, Motorola, etc.
I don't pay any money.
but I can't conceive of any good technical reason to have more
than 64GB of internal storage.
but I can't conceive of any good technical reason to have more
than 64GB of internal storage.
Than what is you hang-up with demanding an sd-card slot ? 'Cause all it does is extend that ammount.
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 11:20:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
There is no advantage to not having an sd slot, and, in fact, the advantage >>> of not having an sd slot is that you have to pay money to replace the
functionality - and that advantage goes to Apple, Google, Motorola, etc.
I don't pay any money.
Hmmm... is that really true?
If you chose the "bigger" storage over the base "64GB" (if that was the
base, of course) then you "did" pay more money - a *lot* more money.
Remember, the strategy from Apple/Google is to remove functionality so that you're forced to buy it back - in this case - from them - for a lot of $$$!
Arno said that's what he did & *many* people do that, but I can't conceive
of any good technical reason to have more than 64GB of internal storage.
Can you?
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 11:20:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
Arno said that's what he did & *many* people do that, but I can't conceive
of any good technical reason to have more than 64GB of internal storage.
Can you?
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:49:23 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :
but I can't conceive of any good technical reason to have more
than 64GB of internal storage.
Than what is you hang-up with demanding an sd-card slot ? 'Cause all it
does is extend that ammount.
Good question. I didn't make it clear what the logical argument is.
The keyword is "internal storage".
Let's try again...
1. 64GB is by no means enough storage for a phone of today...
2. But it's well within the bounds of enough "internal storage".
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-06-17 16:06, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 11:20:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
...
Arno said that's what he did & many people do that, but I can't
conceive of any good technical reason to have more than 64GB of
internal storage.
Can you?
I can not conceive anyone buying a phone with only 64KB internal
storage.
64GB
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 11:20:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
There is no advantage to not having an sd slot, and, in fact, the advantage >>> of not having an sd slot is that you have to pay money to replace the
functionality - and that advantage goes to Apple, Google, Motorola, etc.
I don't pay any money.
Hmmm... is that really true?
If you chose the "bigger" storage over the base "64GB" (if that was the
base, of course) then you "did" pay more money - a *lot* more money.
Remember, the strategy from Apple/Google is to remove functionality so that you're forced to buy it back - in this case - from them - for a lot of $$$!
Arno said that's what he did & *many* people do that, but I can't conceive
of any good technical reason to have more than 64GB of internal storage.
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:49:23 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :
but I can't conceive of any good technical reason to have more
than 64GB of internal storage.
Than what is you hang-up with demanding an sd-card slot ? 'Cause all it
does is extend that ammount.
Good question. I didn't make it clear what the logical argument is.
The keyword is "internal storage".
Let's try again...
1. 64GB is by no means enough storage for a phone of today...
2. But it's well within the bounds of enough "internal storage".
Than what is you hang-up with demanding an sd-card slot ? 'Cause all it
does is extend that ammount.
Good question. I didn't make it clear what the logical argument is.
The keyword is "internal storage".
Let's try again...
1. 64GB is by no means enough storage for a phone of today...
2. But it's well within the bounds of enough "internal storage".
Again, this is simplified as people seem to want simpler logic.
Marion,[...]
Also, as long as you get stuck on that "it *must* be an sd-card" you keep yourself blind for other possibilities, like the usage of a thumbdrive. You never explained why that would not be a possibility for you.
Well - to be fair - a thumb drive an external piece of hardware which
can not always stay connected, while an SD card is *inside* the device.
So using a thumb drive is not the same like an internal SD card.
On 2025-06-17 19:35, badgolferman wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-06-17 16:06, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 11:20:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
...
Arno said that's what he did & many people do that, but I can't
conceive of any good technical reason to have more than 64GB of
internal storage.
Can you?
I can not conceive anyone buying a phone with only 64KB internal
storage.
64GB
Oops :-D
Well - to be fair - a thumb drive an external piece of hardware which
can not always stay connected, while an SD card is *inside* the device.
True.
So using a thumb drive is not the same like an internal SD card.
Absolutily.
But as the OP has refused to inform us what is use-case is ...
And that works two ways. Until he makes clear why it *isn't* a viable solution it is one. :-) <whistle>
There is no advantage to not having an sd slot, and, in fact, the advantageI don't pay any money.
of not having an sd slot is that you have to pay money to replace the
functionality - and that advantage goes to Apple, Google, Motorola, etc. >>>
Hmmm... is that really true?
Yes. I also don't pay any money.
If you chose the "bigger" storage over the base "64GB" (if that was the
base, of course) then you "did" pay more money - a *lot* more money.
My model did not come with less memory. 128 GB was already the small
version and it was way cheaper than an iPhone and still cheaper thatn
many comparable Android phones. And yes, I also take into account the
overall build quality and the camera quality.
And iFixit offers most of the parts as replacement: <https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Google_Pixel_6a>
That is the important part for me - and not if there is an SD card slot.
Remember, the strategy from Apple/Google is to remove functionality so that >> you're forced to buy it back - in this case - from them - for a lot of $$$!
Only, if you think so.
Arno said that's what he did & *many* people do that, but I can't conceive >> of any good technical reason to have more than 64GB of internal storage.
I have 128 GB internal storage. And the next device I buy in a few years
may have 256 GB or even 512 GB.
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 21:25:13 +0200, R.Wieser wrote :
Well - to be fair - a thumb drive an external piece of hardware which
can not always stay connected, while an SD card is *inside* the device.
True.
So using a thumb drive is not the same like an internal SD card.
Absolutily.
But as the OP has refused to inform us what is use-case is ...
And that works two ways. Until he makes clear why it *isn't* a viable
solution it is one. :-) <whistle>
Given I have over a thousand apps easily installed on 64GB, my position, >based on long experience, is that the inexpensive 64GB is plenty of
internal storage for a modern smartphone today if it has an sd slot.
But 64GB is not even close to enough internal storage if you own an >Apple/Google phone which is designed on purpose to NOT have the industry >standard basic portable storage functionality. Apple/Google are not stupid.
The only reason for removing the sd slot is to force the consumer to
scramble to buy some of the functionality back (which costs them money).
Which is the *only reason* Google/Apple removed the basic functionality.
And yet, it's *impossible* to completely replace that lost functionality.
a. Device internal storage does *not* do what portable storage can do
b. The cloud can't possibly replace the lost functionality of portable >storage
b. Exterior storage drives (with or without cables) can't replace it either
It's *impossible* to fully replace portable storage functionality.
A. Google/Apple hope you'll *try* by purchasing *expensive* internal
storage
B. Google/Apple hope you'll *try* by purchasing immense cloud storage
C. Many people *try* by adding external drives (with or w/o cables)
As an example of basic functionality portable storage provides the user...
1. I received a handful of free 64GB Galaxy A32-5G's from T-Mobile in 2021
2. I immediately added 64GB sdcards to all of them (vol label 0000-0001)
3. I broke one phone & it was replaced under warranty by T-Mobile;
then I broke that replacement phone, and it was replaced, for free.
Each time, since the homescreen & APKs are stored on the sdcard,
I popped the old sdcard into the new phone to reclone the phone.
a. Without the Internet
b. Without external thumb drives (or NAS)
In addition, as another example, once I had the homescreen set up nicely... >1. I copied the sdcard to the sdcards for the other phones in the household >2. And set up the homescreen and apps accordingly (just as with the first)
3. In effect, cloning the original phone onto as many phones as I like
a. Without the Internet
b. Without external thumb drives (or NAS)
As yet another example of basic functionality portable storage provides...
1. At some point, sd cards got cheaper (which is what they are wont to do)
2. Hence, I wanted to double the portable storage on each device
3. I used the process above to double the portable storage on each device
a. Without the Internet
b. Without external thumb drives (or NAS)
As long as the volume label is maintained the same, the phone has no
idea you just doubled, or tripled, or quadrupled the portable storage.
Hence, the beauty of portable storage, is the portability of it all.
As sd card storage gets cheaper, you expand your device portable storage.
There's no need to buy a new phone with expensive internal storage since
64GB is all the storage I need to easily hold over a thousand apps today.
Now do you see why Apple/Google strategically removed the sd card slot?
A phone without the sd slot is *always* going to be an inferior phone.
And, if you want to replace the lost functionality, it will cost you MONEY. >Even so, over time, that phone will need to be replaced more often.
Google/Apple aren't stupid.
Actually, they're brilliant.
They removed basic industry-standard functionality to drive their profits. >There is no other reason for a phone to NOT have portable storage
capability.
a. IP ratings appear to be similar on phones with it and without it
b. Prices are *always* more expensive (MB:MB) for phones without it
c. A phone w/o portable storage can not do what a phone with it can
(yet, a phone w/ portable storage can do everything a phone w/o it can)
If you think there is something missing in my analysis above, let me know.
Given I have over a thousand apps easily installed on 64GB, my
position, based on long experience, is that the inexpensive 64GB
is plenty of internal storage for a modern smartphone today if
it has an sd slot.
But 64GB is not even close to enough internal storage if you own an Apple/Google phone which is designed
Am currently posting with a Lenovo Chrome Tablet 10e. I got this, my latest
toy, as a renewed (used-refurbed) purchase ($48US) recently, but the model
itself is a few years old.
Anyway, it has no SD slot and only 32GB of internal storage.
I think the reason may be different from what's been said so far.
Chromebooks were
originally designed to be used online and I think this one's no different
in that it works seamlessly with my 100GB ($2/mo) online Google storage.
Music, photos, etc, work great using the online storage although a few of
my Android apps do still insist on local storage.
BTW, surprisingly, the tablet does have an earphone hole and has great
fidelity. So my music comes from the cloud to me through that obsolete
round audio opening, no USB adapter required. A very nice old fashioned
feature IMO...
You *claim* to have a 64GB phone that works well for you, but refuse to name it - while at the same time keep throwing conspiracy theories up about both Apple and all of Android (regardless of the company which makes the hardware).
That won't do.
Besides, you are still refusing to engage on anything we say that
contradicts your ideas, while you keep repeating those ideas as if you where a broken record.
As I said, I have no wish to have another ride in that merry-go-round of yours.
Arno said that's what he did & many people do that, but I can't
conceive of any good technical reason to have more than 64GB of
internal storage.
Can you?
I can not conceive anyone buying a phone with only 64KB internal
storage.
64GB
Oops :-D
64KB was enough for the Commodore 64 ... the best selling home computer
in history. :-)
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 06:29:31 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote :
iPad === Chromebook === They're both designed as dumb terminals.
they designed a Chromebook to have almost no internal memory
*and* no sdslot
and yet they're allowing you to use standard headphones.
Thanks for your experience with the Chromebook which underlies that the >entire strategy of Google/Apple (and high-end Samsungs) of removing the >portable functionality is to funnel users into more expensive workarounds.
The only reason for removing the sd slot is to force the consumer to
scramble to buy some of the functionality back (which costs them money).
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 20:33:36 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :
There is no advantage to not having an sd slot, and, in fact, the advantageI don't pay any money.
of not having an sd slot is that you have to pay money to replace the >>>>> functionality - and that advantage goes to Apple, Google, Motorola, etc. >>>>
Hmmm... is that really true?
Yes. I also don't pay any money.
I'll agree with anyone who makes a sensibly logical assessment.
But I will disagree when someone's assessment is illogically unsound.
You just made a statement which I can easily pick apart logically.
The fact is, you did pay more money. In fact, you paid a *lot* more money.
I am as experienced as anyone on having over a thousand packages on my
phone, which *easily* fits within the bounds of 64GB of internal storage.
The *main* reason people buy a phone with greater than 64GB of internal storage is that phone is a substandard phone that lacks the sd slot.
BTW, you don't have to agree with me that you got fleeced by Google.
But you should at least *understand* why I assess that you were fleeced.
Hi Rudy, (this is a newer, nicer version of me, ala Carlos, but still me)
Hi Rudy, (this is a newer, nicer version of me, ala Carlos, but still me)
I've skimmed your post, but see you only repeating your claims and not
giving additional information to them.
You think that an sd-card in a smartphone is a must pecause you than can do stuff you can't do otherwise ? Prove it.
We already spoke about it and you have refused to engage.
If you want to be nice I suggest you go back and do so now.
The only reason for removing the sd slot is to force the consumer to
scramble to buy some of the functionality back (which costs them money).
Well - not in my case. I *never* had to buy *anything* because of not
having an SD card slot in my phone. No, I don't use Google cloud
services, I don't need that.
You just made a statement which I can easily pick apart logically.
The fact is, you did pay more money. In fact, you paid a *lot* more money.
No - I just bought that device and that's it. I am not paying for Google cloud services.
I am as experienced as anyone on having over a thousand packages on my
phone, which *easily* fits within the bounds of 64GB of internal storage.
And I have around 100 GB of data on my phone because I have OSMAnd with offline map data and many other things.
So what?
The *main* reason people buy a phone with greater than 64GB of internal
storage is that phone is a substandard phone that lacks the sd slot.
I don't care. It works for me.
BTW, you don't have to agree with me that you got fleeced by Google.
But you should at least *understand* why I assess that you were fleeced.
I run multiple servers with around 4 TB storage in total - always
accessible and backed up daily to multiple different locations. These
servers are also used to keep backups of my smartphone, my adressbook, calendar, all the pictures I take with my phone, e-mail, password
manager using Bitwarden and so on...
Telling me, that I am "fleeced by Google" is really funny ;-).
Maybe I misunderstood you when you had asked for my phone make & model.
if T-Mobile 64GB Samsung Galaxy A32-5G with 512GG sd is not enough for
you.
I'm sorry if you didn't understand my detailed write up of at least
three use models which are impossible on a phone without portable
memory integral with the device & which can only be partially worked
around with kludges.
You asked for details about my phone, which had already been
supplied multiple times,
I'm sorry if answering your questions is deemed that I "refuse to engage".
Since you promised us you will impart upon us your wealth of
knowledge
Please do impart upon us your wealth of knowledge of how you
would perform the three use cases outlined at your request,
without using the sd slot.
The sad fact is a phone without the sd slot requires more
internal storage. A *lot* more.
I understand completely that you said the Pixel doesn't even
come with 64GB of storage,
than one that contains the perfectly acceptable 64GB internal
storage.
And you double, triple or quadruple that storage for maps &
media over time, as needed, at today's (much much much much
much) cheaper prices.
This is, after all, part of the brilliance of having basic
industry-standard hardware functionality that marketing hates
you having.
So it's good to know you're [AJL] doing OK with that 32GB of internal storage. [on AJL's Chrome tablet]
I have a 32GB HP Stream 11 (which was shipped to me during a trip
when I needed computer access for a day and they let me keep the damn
thing). With the OS taking up almost all that 32GB, I have to store
all the apps and data on the 512GB sd card portable storage slot.
I have a 32GB HP Stream 11 (which was shipped to me during a trip
when I needed computer access for a day and they let me keep the damn
thing). With the OS taking up almost all that 32GB, I have to store
all the apps and data on the 512GB sd card portable storage slot.
I now feel your pain. I got a new toy today, a brand new older model
Asus Windows 11 (22H2) laptop. It has only 64GB of storage total and NO memory slot. I offloaded as much Windows crap as I could and I now have
only about 20GB total storage free... 8-O
It won't let me update to 24H2 I suspect because of the storage
shortage. But I always did enjoy a new toy with a challenge. This
is my first post on the new machine...I hope...
On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 12:04:23 -0700, AJL wrote :
I have a 32GB HP Stream 11 (which was shipped to me during a
trip when I needed computer access for a day and they let me keep
the damn thing). With the OS taking up almost all that 32GB, I
have to store all the apps and data on the 512GB sd card portable
storage slot.
I now feel your pain. I got a new toy today, a brand new older
model Asus Windows 11 (22H2) laptop. It has only 64GB of storage
total and NO memory slot. I offloaded as much Windows crap as I
could and I now have only about 20GB total storage free... 8-O
Wow. You're feeling the exact same pain, only worse without the
industry standard sd slot.
That's crazy it has only 64 GB of *permanent* storage! 64GB of
internal storage is fine for any phone, but not for a Windows PC
where the operating system alone takes up almost 30GB (in my
experience).
Add in system restore points, updates, and temporary files, and that
64GB shrinks alarmingly fast.
Plus, some programs (not many, but some) refuse to install where you
want them to install (in my HP Stream 11 case, on the D: drive 512GB
sdcard).
Web installer stubs are particularly persnickety in that regard.
It won't let me update to 24H2 I suspect because of the storage
shortage. But I always did enjoy a new toy with a challenge. This
is my first post on the new machine...I hope...
Good luck on your Windows 11 machine.
My desktop won't update to Windows 11 because it is from 2009 (it was
a high-end machine at that time long ago).
So I'm "stuck" with Windows 10 for a while.
On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 12:04:23 -0700, AJL wrote :
I have a 32GB HP Stream 11 (which was shipped to me during a trip
when I needed computer access for a day and they let me keep the damn
thing). With the OS taking up almost all that 32GB, I have to store
all the apps and data on the 512GB sd card portable storage slot.
I now feel your pain. I got a new toy today, a brand new older model
Asus Windows 11 (22H2) laptop. It has only 64GB of storage total and NO
memory slot. I offloaded as much Windows crap as I could and I now have
only about 20GB total storage free... 8-O
Wow. You're feeling the exact same pain, only worse without the industry standard sd slot. That's crazy it has only 64 GB of *permanent* storage!
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 23:35:33 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :
The only reason for removing the sd slot is to force the consumer to
scramble to buy some of the functionality back (which costs them money).
Well - not in my case. I *never* had to buy *anything* because of not
having an SD card slot in my phone. No, I don't use Google cloud
services, I don't need that.
Hi Arno (this is a kinder, gentler, nice me, but still me)
I respectfully disagree with your characterization that you "never had to
buy anything" since you already bought something, which is a much bigger
phone than one that contains the perfectly acceptable 64GB internal
storage. And... get this.... you paid dearly... long before you needed it.
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 23:43:21 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :
You just made a statement which I can easily pick apart logically.No - I just bought that device and that's it. I am not paying for Google
The fact is, you did pay more money. In fact, you paid a *lot* more money. >>
cloud services.
Hi Arno, (this is a nicer me, but still the logically sensible me)
I didn't say anything about Google cloud services when I explained you got badly fleeced by Google's rather brilliant marketing ploy of removing basic functionality so that you have to pay an arm & a leg to replace it.
You paid Google, at yesterday's prices, for the total amount of on-device storage you estimated you'd need during the life of the phone - well before you needed it.
Google marketing thanks you for making that decision.
Marion, 2025-06-19 17:14:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 23:43:21 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote :
You just made a statement which I can easily pick apart logically.No - I just bought that device and that's it. I am not paying for Google >>> cloud services.
The fact is, you did pay more money. In fact, you paid a *lot* more money. >>>
Hi Arno, (this is a nicer me, but still the logically sensible me)
I didn't say anything about Google cloud services when I explained you got >> badly fleeced by Google's rather brilliant marketing ploy of removing basic >> functionality so that you have to pay an arm & a leg to replace it.
I don't have "to pay an arm & a leg to replace it".
You paid Google, at yesterday's prices, for the total amount of on-device
storage you estimated you'd need during the life of the phone - well before >> you needed it.
No, I needed it at the time I bought it. 64 GB would not have been
enough, as I already had around 70 GB of data to be transferred from my backup back to the phone.
Google marketing thanks you for making that decision.
And Samsung marketing thanks you. So what?
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