Q: How many packages are installed on your Android phone?
A: ? (mine has almost 1K packages, 969 to be exact)

How do I know? I ran the App Manager to back them up to portable storage.

The phone was obtained in April 2021 for free (I paid the sales tax only)
from T-Mobile: 64GB Samsung Galaxy A32-5G (I added 128GB portable storage).

What about you?
How many packages do you have currently installed on your Android device?

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On 2025-03-13 10:03, Marion wrote:

Q: How many packages are installed on your Android phone?
A: ? (mine has almost 1K packages, 969 to be exact)

How do I know? I ran the App Manager to back them up to portable storage.

The phone was obtained in April 2021 for free (I paid the sales tax only) from T-Mobile: 64GB Samsung Galaxy A32-5G (I added 128GB portable storage).

What about you?
How many packages do you have currently installed on your Android device?

Tell how to find out without installing anything. I don't have App Manager.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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Carlos E.R. wrote:

Marion wrote:

How many packages are installed on your Android phone?

166

Tell how to find out without installing anything. I don't have App Manager.

Settings / Apps should show your top handful of apps by name, then a
option like "See all nnn apps"

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 11:12:23 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote :

Tell how to find out without installing anything. I don't have App
Manager.

Settings / Apps should show your top handful of apps by name, then a
option like "See all nnn apps"

It shows the 4 recently used apps, and an entry that reads "show the 174 apps". I guess this number does not include "system apps". I can add
them to the list, but there is no count.

Thanks for checking Andy's suggestion as it behooves us to have a method to count all the installed apps (system or user installed) on our devices.

I'm on Android 13, T-Mobile. Samsung Galaxy, and when I went to
Settings > Apps
At top it says "Choose default apps" & "Samsung app settings".

Below that is "Your aps", with a hamburger to the right of that.
Selecting that hamburger, I get a "Filter and sort" dialog which has
"Show system apps = on/off"
And then below that is "Filter by" with the choices of
(o) All
(_) Enabled
(_) Disabled

Below that is "Sort by" with the choices of
(o) Name
(_) Size
(_) Last used
(_) Last updated

Try as I might, I can't get a count either using that method.
Andy is most likely on a Pixel, which hasn't been polluted by Samsung.

BTW, here are APK backup solutions (as far as I know) if you need them: Muntashirakon app manager (does not need root to backup apks)
<https://github.com/MuntashirAkon/AppManager>
<https://muntashirakon.github.io/AppManager/en/>
<https://muntashirakon.github.io/AppManager/vi/>

Swift Backup app data (including SMS, MMS, Wi-Fi settings) (may need root)
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.swiftapps.swiftbackup>

NeoBackup (fork of OAndBackup that is actively updated)
<https://github.com/NeoApplications/Neo-Backup>

OAndBackup (requires root for full power, may not be actively updated)
<https://github.com/jensstein/oandbackup>
<https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=dk.jens.backup>

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 10:24:09 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

It looks like T-Mobile is pulling some funny business here by installing those apps (presumably during a system update) as I didn't install them.

Digging, I found out that T-Mobile is pulling some funny business on us!
<https://www.t-mobile.com/support/plans-features/t-mobile-appselector>
"45 days after activation... You will... get a recommendation for
apps that you may enjoy. AppManager will run every 45 days unless
you opt out of the service."

Darn right I want to "opt out" of that wondrous service that apparently installed a bunch of games onto my device (as if it wasn't full enough).

I just turned off "special access" to those "Sprint" factory apps:
Settings:Usage Data Access > Device Manager > on/off (turn it off!)
Settings:Usage Data Access > T-Mobile Diagnostics > on/off (turn off!)

The lesson here is that it might be useful to not only back up your user-installed APKs, but to spit out a listing of them based on when they
were installed (or updated) and what app did that installation or update.

Back to the original topic of app number, Muntashirakon App Manager shows
961 total packages, 404 of which are "System apps" & 557 are "User apps".
45 of those apps are "Uninstalled apps" (mainly the original bloatware).
916 are listed as "Installed apps" (which is good that the math works).
248 are listed as "With splits" (Andy, what does that really mean to us?)
241 are listed as "Frozen apps" (I'm not sure why so many are frozen?)

Here's how to get that information for your phone using Muntashirakon:
a. Start Muntashirakon & wait for it to populate the apps on your system
b. Press "List Options" at the top right & select a desired sort & filter
Examples of sorts: Last update, Trackers, Total size, Last used, etc.
Examples of filters: User/System apps, With splits, Frozen apps, etc.
c. Longpress on any one resulting app & check the box at bottom
[x] Select all (this will give you a count of those types of apps)

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On 2025-03-13 10:28, Andy Burns wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

Marion wrote:

How many packages are installed on your Android phone?

166

Tell how to find out without installing anything. I don't have App
Manager.

Settings / Apps should show your top handful of apps by name, then a
option like "See all nnn apps"

It shows the 4 recently used apps, and an entry that reads "show the 174
apps". I guess this number does not include "system apps". I can add
them to the list, but there is no count.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 10:28:12 +0100, Andy Burns wrote :

Marion wrote:

How many packages are installed on your Android phone?

166

Tell how to find out without installing anything. I don't have App Manager.

Settings / Apps should show your top handful of apps by name, then a
option like "See all nnn apps"

Ah. My bad. Good question from Carlos. Great answer by Andy.
Everyone will benefit by knowing (& then comparing) to that of others.

I just re-ran my tests so that I can tell you how I did it.
And when I looked at the results, I was shocked at what I just found.

I'm glad Andy provided the universal method, where I was backing up all my
APKs and their data using the Muntashirakon App Manager we've discussed
many times on this newsgroup - but Andy's method doesn't require that APK.
<https://muntashirakon.github.io/AppManager/en/>
<https://github.com/MuntashirAkon/AppManager/releases>
<https://github.com/MuntashirAkon/AppManager>
<https://f-droid.org/en/packages/io.github.muntashirakon.AppManager/>

That app manager will list, filter & sort by almost any method you can
possibly think of (e.g., I typically set it to last used or last installed)
and it will back up not only the APK but the APK data (if desired).

Of course it can filter out system apps, frozen apps, user apps, apps
already with backups, etc., and it can import backups from Titanium,
Swift Backup & OAndBackup

It can name backups with the version and package name and datetime and
target sdk, etc., or it can just export the list of packages to text.

I backed up about 555 packages out of that 969 (as the rest were mostly
system packages) where this is the beginning of the markdown text:

# Package Info

## Read

**Package name:** com.ifeanyi.read
**Version:** 1.1.3 (13)
**Min SDK:** 26, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 2/19/25 12:11 AM, **Date updated:** 2/19/25 12:11 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## AllWrite

**Package name:** rb.camere
**Version:** 1.7.1 (110)
**Min SDK:** 28, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 2/19/25 12:08 AM, **Date updated:** 2/19/25 12:08 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## Talk FREE

**Package name:** com.ktix007.talk
**Version:** 2.9.17 (2989)
**Min SDK:** 21, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 2/19/25 12:00 AM, **Date updated:** 2/19/25 12:00 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## @Voice Aloud Reader

**Package name:** com.hyperionics.avar
**Version:** 33.0.0 (1633000040)
**Min SDK:** 26, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 2/18/25 11:48 PM, **Date updated:** 2/18/25 11:48 PM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## IIReader

**Package name:** io.elevenlabs.readerapp
**Version:** 1.4.9 (196)
**Min SDK:** 24, **Target SDK:** 35
**Date installed:** 2/18/25 11:12 PM, **Date updated:** 2/18/25 11:12 PM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## Text to Speech

**Package name:** com.alpaca.android.readout
**Version:** 7.5.3 (77)
**Min SDK:** 26, **Target SDK:** 35
**Date installed:** 2/17/25 11:48 AM, **Date updated:** 2/17/25 11:48 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## Text To Speech

**Package name:** com.stcodesapp.text2speech
**Version:** 2.1.50 (88)
**Min SDK:** 23, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 2/17/25 11:45 AM, **Date updated:** 2/17/25 11:45 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## Listen AI

**Package name:** com.codespaceapps.listeningapp
**Version:** 1.0.9 (89)
**Min SDK:** 23, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 2/17/25 9:06 AM, **Date updated:** 2/17/25 9:06 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## T2S

**Package name:** hesoft.T2S
**Version:** 13.2.5 (1326)
**Min SDK:** 23, **Target SDK:** 33
**Date installed:** 2/17/25 9:04 AM, **Date updated:** 2/17/25 9:04 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## Article Reader

**Package name:** ai.articlereader.mobileapp
**Version:** 1.4.6 (149)
**Min SDK:** 21, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 2/17/25 7:41 AM, **Date updated:** 2/17/25 7:41 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## Speechify

**Package name:** com.cliffweitzman.speechify2
**Version:** 5.0.1755 (5001755)
**Min SDK:** 28, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 2/17/25 6:36 AM, **Date updated:** 2/17/25 6:36 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## Zueira's Voice

**Package name:** com.brunopiovan.avozdazueira
**Version:** 6.1.63 (61063)
**Min SDK:** 21, **Target SDK:** 35
**Date installed:** 2/17/25 5:04 AM, **Date updated:** 2/17/25 5:04 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## WhatsApp

**Package name:** com.whatsapp
**Version:** 2.25.1.75 (250175003)
**Min SDK:** 21, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 2/3/25 4:28 PM, **Date updated:** 2/3/25 4:28 PM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## Rain

**Package name:** com.yoshi.rain
**Version:** 1.3.6 (2039)
**Min SDK:** 23, **Target SDK:** 35
**Date installed:** 1/27/25 11:01 PM, **Date updated:** 1/27/25 11:01 PM **Installer:** App Manager (io.github.muntashirakon.AppManager)

## NewPipe Debug

**Package name:** org.schabi.newpipe.debug
**Version:** 0.27.2 (999)
**Min SDK:** 21, **Target SDK:** 33
**Date installed:** 1/21/25 5:57 PM, **Date updated:** 1/21/25 5:57 PM **Installer:** App Manager (io.github.muntashirakon.AppManager)

## Voice Notify

**Package name:** com.pilot51.voicenotify
**Version:** 1.4.2 [cc4c76e] (32)
**Min SDK:** 21, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 1/12/25 11:04 PM, **Date updated:** 1/12/25 11:04 PM **Installer:** App Manager (io.github.muntashirakon.AppManager)

## Android Accessibility Suite

**Package name:** com.google.android.marvin.talkback
**Version:** 15.1.0.693631415 (60143461)
**Min SDK:** 26, **Target SDK:** 35
**Date installed:** 1/3/25 8:23 AM, **Date updated:** 1/3/25 8:23 AM **Installer:** Aurora Store (com.aurora.store)

## Merge Dragons!

**Package name:** com.gramgames.mergedragons
**Version:** 11.13.1 (1134)
**Min SDK:** 24, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 12/5/24 5:09 PM, **Date updated:** 12/5/24 5:09 PM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

(and so on)

Notice that last item. Merge Dragons? WTF? I didn't install that.
At least not on purpose. So how did it get installed? Dunno yet.
<com.gramgames.mergedragons> Damn thing has 82 trackers!
It's currently "stopped" but when I launch it, "Gram Games"
icons come up and then an "Accept" the "Terms of Service".
Yeah. Right. I'm never gonna do that. But where'd it come from?
Muntashirakon says the signature "SourceStamp verified and identified
to be from Google Play" (which is odd, since I didn't install it!).

These three were all installed (somehow) on the same day:
## Merge Dragons!

**Package name:** com.gramgames.mergedragons
**Version:** 11.13.1 (1134)
**Min SDK:** 24, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 12/5/24 5:09 PM, **Date updated:** 12/5/24 5:09 PM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

## Royal Match

**Package name:** com.dreamgames.royalmatch
**Version:** 25464 (25464)
**Min SDK:** 22, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 12/5/24 5:07 PM, **Date updated:** 12/5/24 5:07 PM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

## Block Blast!

**Package name:** com.block.juggle
**Version:** 6.0.3 (6030)
**Min SDK:** 21, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 12/5/24 5:06 PM, **Date updated:** 12/5/24 5:06 PM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

All were signed by Google & installed on that day.
But I didn't install them. I'm wondering how they got there.
I ran a regular-expression search and nothing else was installed on that
same date, and nothing else was even updated on that same date. Hmmm...

Then I searched for <com.sprint.ce.updater> which seems to be the culprit!

## MONOPOLY GO

**Package name:** com.scopely.monopolygo
**Version:** 1.28.2 (26815)
**Min SDK:** 23, **Target SDK:** 33
**Date installed:** 8/24/24 7:48 AM, **Date updated:** 8/24/24 7:48 AM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

## Solitaire

**Package name:** com.mobilityware.solitaire
**Version:** 8.5.1.5721 (5721)
**Min SDK:** 23, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 8/24/24 7:47 AM, **Date updated:** 8/24/24 7:47 AM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

## Spades

**Package name:** com.staplegames.spades
**Version:** 1.8 (12)
**Min SDK:** 22, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 8/24/24 7:46 AM, **Date updated:** 8/24/24 7:46 AM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

## Merge

**Package name:** com.staplegames.dice
**Version:** 2.04 (17)
**Min SDK:** 22, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 8/24/24 7:46 AM, **Date updated:** 8/24/24 7:46 AM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

## NewsBreak

**Package name:** com.particlenews.newsbreak
**Version:** 24.34.0 (24340056)
**Min SDK:** 26, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 8/24/24 7:45 AM, **Date updated:** 8/24/24 7:45 AM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

## Blocks

**Package name:** com.staplegames.blocksClassicSGGP
**Version:** 2.11 (23)
**Min SDK:** 19, **Target SDK:** 31
**Date installed:** 8/24/24 7:45 AM, **Date updated:** 8/24/24 7:45 AM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

It looks like T-Mobile may have inserted "com.sprint.ce.updater" onto my
phone, unbeknownst to me, where I have 4 packages with "spring" in them:
<com.sprint.ms.cdm> Carrier Device Manager
<com.sprint.ms.smf.services> Carrier Hub
<com.sprint.w.installer> MCM Client
<com.sprint.ce.updater> Mobile Installer

I selected all four in Muntashirakon App Manager & uninstalled them.
This brought all four to the factory defaults.

Then I deleted every app that was installed by "com.sprint.ce.updater".
# AppSelector

**Package name:** com.ironsrc.aura.tmo
**Version:** 8.2.11.0 (8021100)
**Min SDK:** 26, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 12/31/08 7:00 AM, **Date updated:** 12/21/24 10:03 AM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

## Mobile Device Information Provider

**Package name:** com.amazon.appmanager
**Version:** 1.1.34.4 (140816)
**Min SDK:** 28, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 12/31/08 7:00 AM, **Date updated:** 8/24/24 7:43 AM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

## Mobile Device Information Provider

**Package name:** com.amazon.appmanager
**Version:** 1.1.34.4 (140816)
**Min SDK:** 28, **Target SDK:** 34
**Date installed:** 12/31/08 7:00 AM, **Date updated:** 8/24/24 7:43 AM **Installer:** Mobile Installer (com.sprint.ce.updater)

It looks like T-Mobile is pulling some funny business here by installing
those apps (presumably during a system update) as I didn't install them.

Anyway, they're all deleted (or set back to the original factory apk) now, thanks to looking at the files which Carlos & Andy prompted me to do.

Given what I just found, I suggest all of you do the following if you care:
1. Run Muntashirakon & set it to reverse sort by "installation date"
2. Longpress on any app. At the bottom, you'll get a useful dialog
3. Select "Export App List" > (_)XML (o)Markdown

You can also backup/restore all your selected APKs by that same method.
Thanks for prompting me to take a deeper dive at my 969 installed apps!

I currently have 961 installed packages, 404 of which are "System Apps". Clicking the "User Apps" filter shows only 557 of them are "User Apps".

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On 13 Mar 2025 11:29:40 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :

On my Samsung (Galaxy A51, Android 13) phone, Settings -> Apps, only
gives a list, no count.

My Samsung results agree with both those of Carlos & Frank just now.
I haven't found a *native* method yet to get the app count from my Samsung.

Of course, adb will do it (or local adb if you don't have a PC handy):
*list all installed packages in android adb shell*
<https://gist.github.com/davidnunez/1404789?permalink_comment_id=3278028>

I just ran this:

adb shell pm list packages -f > packages.txt
find /c /v "" packages.txt

This reports 943 lines in "packages.txt".

The format of those 943 lines is as follows:
package:/data/app/~~mth6kx-ogsD89anLzWRrkA==/com.keuwl.compass-SiG1BsCqHCGY4JN5NeVpKA==/base.apk=com.keuwl.compass
package:/data/app/~~RYkubbbzHJGp5p7brdJm8Q==/rk.android.app.pinnedshortcuts-MWerRKDsOONOFYH3uWktpA==/base.apk=rk.android.app.pinnedshortcuts
package:/data/app/~~yyilB0oeZL-qNl-JoP7XKg==/com.codex.appinspector-xVt6wmd2tYRiYAMIvKWoVw==/base.apk=com.codex.appinspector
package:/data/app/~~LamcZDJjU5ny3g9RgbGFCg==/com.alpaca.android.readout-nCWF7C8s-Au-XGTbemToYQ==/base.apk=com.alpaca.android.readout
etc.

To find out how many are 3rd-party (not system) packages:

adb shell pm list packages -f -3 > 3rdparty.txt
find /c /v "" 3rdparty.txt

This reports 552 lines in "3rdparty.txt".

To find out how many system packages are installed:

adb shell pm list packages -s > system.txt
find /c /v "" system.txt

This reports 391 lines in "system.txt".

Interesting that Muntashirakon listed slightly different numbers.
<https://github.com/MuntashirAkon/AppManager>
<https://muntashirakon.github.io/AppManager/en/>
<https://muntashirakon.github.io/AppManager/vi/>

Here are some of the relevant adb commands users can try out:

adb shell pm list packages <--- list all packages on the device
adb shell pm list packages -f -3 <--- list third-party packages
adb shell pm list packages <--- list only the disabled packages
adb shell pm list packages -s <--- list only the system packages
adb shell pm list packages -u <--- list only uninstalled packages
adb shell dumpsys package packages <--- list package information
adb shell pm dump com.facebook.appmanager <--- info on a package

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Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2025-03-13 10:28, Andy Burns wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

Marion wrote:

How many packages are installed on your Android phone?

166

Tell how to find out without installing anything. I don't have App
Manager.

Settings / Apps should show your top handful of apps by name, then a
option like "See all nnn apps"

It shows the 4 recently used apps, and an entry that reads "show the 174 apps". I guess this number does not include "system apps". I can add
them to the list, but there is no count.

On my Samsung (Galaxy A51, Android 13) phone, Settings -> Apps, only
gives a list, no count.

The only number I can get is from the Play Store app. That says "Apps
(116)" and seems to include some Samsung [1] apps, but probably does not include system apps. I don't know if it includes apps installed from
their APK.

[1] Strange, because Samsung has its 'Galaxy Store' which installs/
updates Samsung apps.

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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 13 Mar 2025 09:03:35 -0000 (UTC), Marion <[email protected]> wrote:

Q: How many packages are installed on your Android phone?
A: ? (mine has almost 1K packages, 969 to be exact)

How do I know? I ran the App Manager to back them up to portable storage.

The phone was obtained in April 2021 for free (I paid the sales tax only) >from T-Mobile: 64GB Samsung Galaxy A32-5G (I added 128GB portable storage).

What about you?
How many packages do you have currently installed on your Android device?

What are packages?

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micky appears to have wrote:

What about you?
How many packages do you have currently installed on your Android device?

What are packages?

In Android terminology, "packages" primarily refer to Android Application Packages (APKs) used to distribute and install Android applications.

An APK is a compressed archive containing all the components needed for an
app to run on an Android device.

When you download an app from the Google Play Store or install it manually, Android unpacks the APK and installs the app's components on the device.
1. classes.dex: Compiled Java/Kotlin code in Dalvik Executable format.
2. resources.arsc: Compiled resources like strings, layouts, and images.
3. AndroidManifest.xml: List of components, permissions, and requirements.
4. lib/: Native libraries for specific CPU architectures (e.g., ARM, x86).
5. assets/: Raw asset files that the app can access.
6. res/: Uncompiled resources.

When someone says "package" in the context of Android, they most often mean
an APK (the distribution file for an app). However the term can also refer
to AAR files and to the java/kotlin packages used to organize source code.

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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 13 Mar 2025 15:19:55 -0600, Tango Romeo <[email protected]> wrote:

micky appears to have wrote:

What about you?
How many packages do you have currently installed on your Android device?

What are packages?

In Android terminology, "packages" primarily refer to Android Application >Packages (APKs) used to distribute and install Android applications.

An APK is a compressed archive containing all the components needed for an >app to run on an Android device.

When you download an app from the Google Play Store or install it manually, >Android unpacks the APK and installs the app's components on the device.
1. classes.dex: Compiled Java/Kotlin code in Dalvik Executable format.
2. resources.arsc: Compiled resources like strings, layouts, and images.
3. AndroidManifest.xml: List of components, permissions, and requirements.
4. lib/: Native libraries for specific CPU architectures (e.g., ARM, x86).
5. assets/: Raw asset files that the app can access.
6. res/: Uncompiled resources.

When someone says "package" in the context of Android, they most often mean >an APK (the distribution file for an app). However the term can also refer
to AAR files and to the java/kotlin packages used to organize source code.

Thanks a lot.

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