T-Mobile opens satellite communications to Android, iOS, AT&E & Verizon https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/t-mobile-opens-up-its-starlink-beta- including-to-people-with-att-and-verizon/'Use Emergency SOS via satellite on your iPhone
"As part of the beta, people in the program will be able
to send SMS text messages when they're outdoors, even in areas where they don't normally get T-Mobile's terrestrial
coverage. The beta service will be free and open to all T-Mobile postpaid users until July, with the carrier also making it available
for free during this time to AT&T
and Verizon customers."
The article discusses how Verizon advertises things it can't do, where it doesn't mention that Apple is infamous for advertising what doesn't exist.
On 2025-02-09 20:05, Marion wrote:
T-Mobile opens satellite communications to Android, iOS, AT&E & Verizon https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/t-mobile-opens-up-its-starlink-beta- including-to-people-with-att-and-verizon/
"As part of the beta, people in the program will be able
to send SMS text messages when they're outdoors, even in areas where they don't normally get T-Mobile's terrestrial
coverage. The beta service will be free and open to all T-Mobile postpaid users until July, with the carrier also making it available
for free during this time to AT&T
and Verizon customers."
The article discusses how Verizon advertises things it can't do, where it doesn't mention that Apple is infamous for advertising what doesn't exist.'Use Emergency SOS via satellite on your iPhone
With iPhone 14 or later (all models), you can use Emergency SOS via
satellite to text emergency services when you're off the grid with no cellular and Wi-Fi coverage.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/101573>
'About Messages via satellite on your iPhone
With iPhone 14 or later (all models), you can send iMessages or SMS
messages via satellite when you’re off the grid with no cellular and
Wi-Fi coverage.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/120930>
And:
'Messages via satellite is available in the U.S. and Canada. It's free
for two years after the activation of an iPhone 14 or later (all models).'
Kind of seems that it exists to me.
In comp.mobile.android Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-02-09 20:05, Marion wrote:
T-Mobile opens satellite communications to Android, iOS, AT&E & VerizonWith iPhone 14 or later (all models), you can use Emergency SOS via
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/t-mobile-opens-up-its-starlink-beta-
including-to-people-with-att-and-verizon/
"As part of the beta, people in the program will be able
�to send SMS text messages when they're outdoors, even in �areas where
they don't normally get T-Mobile's terrestrial
�coverage. The beta service will be free and open to all �T-Mobile
postpaid users until July, with the carrier also �making it available
for free during this time to AT&T
�and Verizon customers."
The article discusses how Verizon advertises things it can't do, where it >>> doesn't mention that Apple is infamous for advertising what doesn't exist. >> 'Use Emergency SOS via satellite on your iPhone
satellite to text emergency services when you're off the grid with no
cellular and Wi-Fi coverage.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/101573>
'About Messages via satellite on your iPhone
With iPhone 14 or later (all models), you can send iMessages or SMS
messages via satellite when you�re off the grid with no cellular and
Wi-Fi coverage.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/120930>
And:
'Messages via satellite is available in the U.S. and Canada. It's free
for two years after the activation of an iPhone 14 or later (all models).' >>
Kind of seems that it exists to me.
That's a different thing. The Apple feature has added extra hardware to the phones to talk to existing satellites. Starlink have added extra hardware
to the satellites to talk to existing phones. The latter has much more applicability as it doesn't involve any hardware changes to the phones, so
in theory would work with any phone (currently limited to phones approved by T-Mobile for now, but includes both Android and iOS and goes back several years of releases).
Theo
In comp.mobile.android Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-02-09 20:05, Marion wrote:
T-Mobile opens satellite communications to Android, iOS, AT&E & VerizonWith iPhone 14 or later (all models), you can use Emergency SOS via
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/t-mobile-opens-up-its-starlink-beta-
including-to-people-with-att-and-verizon/
"As part of the beta, people in the program will be able
to send SMS text messages when they're outdoors, even in areas where >>> they don't normally get T-Mobile's terrestrial
coverage. The beta service will be free and open to all T-Mobile
postpaid users until July, with the carrier also making it available
for free during this time to AT&T
and Verizon customers."
The article discusses how Verizon advertises things it can't do, where it >>> doesn't mention that Apple is infamous for advertising what doesn't exist. >> 'Use Emergency SOS via satellite on your iPhone
satellite to text emergency services when you're off the grid with no
cellular and Wi-Fi coverage.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/101573>
'About Messages via satellite on your iPhone
With iPhone 14 or later (all models), you can send iMessages or SMS
messages via satellite when you’re off the grid with no cellular and
Wi-Fi coverage.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/120930>
And:
'Messages via satellite is available in the U.S. and Canada. It's free
for two years after the activation of an iPhone 14 or later (all models).' >>
Kind of seems that it exists to me.
That's a different thing. The Apple feature has added extra hardware to the phones to talk to existing satellites. Starlink have added extra hardware
to the satellites to talk to existing phones. The latter has much more applicability as it doesn't involve any hardware changes to the phones, so
in theory would work with any phone (currently limited to phones approved by T-Mobile for now, but includes both Android and iOS and goes back several years of releases).
Theo
On 11 Feb 2025 11:51:38 +0000 (GMT), Theo wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-02-09 20:05, Marion wrote:
T-Mobile opens satellite communications to Android, iOS, AT&E & Verizon >>>> https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/t-mobile-opens-up-its-starlink-beta-With iPhone 14 or later (all models), you can use Emergency SOS via
including-to-people-with-att-and-verizon/
"As part of the beta, people in the program will be able
to send SMS text messages when they're outdoors, even in areas where >>>> they don't normally get T-Mobile's terrestrial
coverage. The beta service will be free and open to all T-Mobile >>>> postpaid users until July, with the carrier also making it available >>>> for free during this time to AT&T
and Verizon customers."
The article discusses how Verizon advertises things it can't do, where it >>>> doesn't mention that Apple is infamous for advertising what doesn't exist. >>> 'Use Emergency SOS via satellite on your iPhone
satellite to text emergency services when you're off the grid with no
cellular and Wi-Fi coverage.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/101573>
'About Messages via satellite on your iPhone
With iPhone 14 or later (all models), you can send iMessages or SMS
messages via satellite when you¢re off the grid with no cellular and
Wi-Fi coverage.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/120930>
And:
'Messages via satellite is available in the U.S. and Canada. It's free
for two years after the activation of an iPhone 14 or later (all models).' >>>
Kind of seems that it exists to me.
That's a different thing. The Apple feature has added extra hardware to the >> phones to talk to existing satellites. Starlink have added extra hardware >> to the satellites to talk to existing phones. The latter has much more
applicability as it doesn't involve any hardware changes to the phones, so >> in theory would work with any phone (currently limited to phones approved by >> T-Mobile for now, but includes both Android and iOS and goes back several
years of releases).
Theo
Isn't a key difference also the size & frequency of the possible messaging?
T-Mobile opens satellite communications to Android, iOS, AT&E & Verizon >https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/t-mobile-opens-up-its-starlink-beta-including-to-people-with-att-and-verizon/
"As part of the beta, people in the program will be able
to send SMS text messages when they're outdoors, even in
areas where they don't normally get T-Mobile's terrestrial
coverage. The beta service will be free and open to all
T-Mobile postpaid users until July, with the carrier also
making it available for free during this time to AT&T
and Verizon customers."
The article discusses how Verizon advertises things it can't do, where it >doesn't mention that Apple is infamous for advertising what doesn't exist.
"In emergency situations, the company may make the service
available to all, regardless of plan"
In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 10 Feb 2025 04:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Marion <[email protected]> wrote:
T-Mobile opens satellite communications to Android, iOS, AT&E & Verizon
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/t-mobile-opens-up-its-starlink-beta-including-to-people-with-att-and-verizon/
"As part of the beta, people in the program will be able
to send SMS text messages when they're outdoors, even in
areas where they don't normally get T-Mobile's terrestrial
coverage. The beta service will be free and open to all
T-Mobile postpaid users until July, with the carrier also
making it available for free during this time to AT&T
and Verizon customers."
The article discusses how Verizon advertises things it can't do, where it
doesn't mention that Apple is infamous for advertising what doesn't exist.
Well that would be tasteless.
"In emergency situations, the company may make the service
available to all, regardless of plan"
That may be nice if they may do it.
If I hiked in the wilderness, or if I lived in the wilderness, this
would be nice to have. But don't you need a phone with a more powerful transmitter to get all the way up in the sky?
In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 10 Feb 2025 04:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Marion <[email protected]> wrote:
T-Mobile opens satellite communications to Android, iOS, AT&E & Verizon
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/t-mobile-opens-up-its-starlink-beta-including-to-people-with-att-and-verizon/
"As part of the beta, people in the program will be able
to send SMS text messages when they're outdoors, even in
areas where they don't normally get T-Mobile's terrestrial
coverage. The beta service will be free and open to all
T-Mobile postpaid users until July, with the carrier also
making it available for free during this time to AT&T
and Verizon customers."
The article discusses how Verizon advertises things it can't do, where it
doesn't mention that Apple is infamous for advertising what doesn't exist.
Well that would be tasteless.
"In emergency situations, the company may make the service
available to all, regardless of plan"
That may be nice if they may do it.
If I hiked in the wilderness, or if I lived in the wilderness, this
would be nice to have. But don't you need a phone with a more powerful transmitter to get all the way up in the sky?
On 2025-02-11 19:25, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 10 Feb 2025 04:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Marion <[email protected]> wrote:
T-Mobile opens satellite communications to Android, iOS, AT&E & Verizon
https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/t-mobile-opens-up-its-starlink-beta-including-to-people-with-att-and-verizon/
"As part of the beta, people in the program will be able
to send SMS text messages when they're outdoors, even in
areas where they don't normally get T-Mobile's terrestrial
coverage. The beta service will be free and open to all
T-Mobile postpaid users until July, with the carrier also
making it available for free during this time to AT&T
and Verizon customers."
The article discusses how Verizon advertises things it can't do, where it >> doesn't mention that Apple is infamous for advertising what doesn't exist.
Well that would be tasteless.
"In emergency situations, the company may make the service
available to all, regardless of plan"
That may be nice if they may do it.
If I hiked in the wilderness, or if I lived in the wilderness, this
would be nice to have. But don't you need a phone with a more powerful transmitter to get all the way up in the sky?
Depends on how high those satellites are. They could be "just" 400 Km away.
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2025-02-11 19:25, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Mon, 10 Feb 2025 04:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Marion >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
If I hiked in the wilderness, or if I lived in the wilderness, this
would be nice to have. But don't you need a phone with a more powerful
transmitter to get all the way up in the sky?
Depends on how high those satellites are. They could be "just" 400 Km away.
Indeed, with line-of-sight mobile phones can cover quite large
distances.
Case in point: Several years ago, we traveled in a small mail plane,
from Port Augusta to Birdsville in Australia. While there are no towers
for about 500km of that distance, the pilot had absolutely no problem
using his (normal) mobile phone during the flight.
Because of the distances, Australia's main network operator (Telstra)
uses relatively low frequencies (850 MHz for 3G and 700 MHz for 4G), but that's not the only explanation of this wide in-the-air coverage.
OTOH, I assume that the transmitters in satellites have much less
power than towers on the earth surface, so I don't know what distances
would be achievable for (normal) phone to satellite communication.
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