When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?
micky wrote:
When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?
Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to >text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?
When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:38:34 +0000, Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:
When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?
Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to >text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?
I don't know. I don't think so. For several years I have beeen the
contact person for the people who plow (plough?) our streets when it
snows. I saw the contract yesterday and it has my landline first, and
my cell number. I'm still living in the 1950's and I envisioned them
calling me on the phone, but now I see they send texts. I got one on
the cell a year ago and another yesterday. I've never gotten any
message from them on my landline, so I wonder if they tried and realized
it wasn't accepting texts and they switched to the other number.
micky wrote:
When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it can't receive texts?
Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?
Andy Burns wrote:I recently converted my PSTN+VDSL service to VDSL-only, which frees up
Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to
text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ...
For my setup in The Netherlands (Vodafone mobile, Ziggo VOIP landline
(via cable Internet) it does not work. Landline phone doesn't ring, SMS
on the smartphone silently fails, but is charged by Vodafone :-).
When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?
Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been suprisingly unsuccessful.
micky wrote:
Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.
There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?
Newyana2 wrote:
micky wrote:
Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.
There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?
Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.
On 1/3/2025 8:21 AM, micky wrote:
When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it
can't receive texts?
That used to be the case. I use a landline and rarely use my cellphone, so I don't give out that number. But cellphone addicts assume all phones
are cellphones. Until maybe 2 years ago, they would get a message that
they were trying to text a landline. Then they'd call me. Now they get no message. They just tell me later that they've been texting me and I
have to rail at them for being an idiot.
On 1/3/2025 9:31 AM, micky wrote:
Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.
There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through? If the sender converts it to voice then
that's a recorded audio message, not a text. You can't convert it
to voice on your end because you can't receive it in the first place.
There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?
Newyana2 wrote:
micky wrote:
Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.
There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?
Aren't DECT phone common over there?� Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.
In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if a
phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american
continent.
There's no such thing.
There certainly is.
On 1/3/2025 4:41 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if
a phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american
continent.
That's a good idea. Phone numbers mean almost nothing in
the US anymore. Anyone can get any area code, which is the
first 3 numbers. At this point I no longer pick up for "local"
calls because they're probably not local. If it doesn't show
the name of someone I know then I let the answering
machine get it. Unfortunately, most people with cellphones
have not registered for Caller ID, and I don't store numbers in
my phone. It's not worth the trouble to have speed dialing.
So I only recognize a small number of callers.
On 1/3/2025 3:52 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
Newyana2 wrote:
micky wrote:
Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.
There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?
Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.
I don't know what DECT or POTS mean.
On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
There's no such thing.
There certainly is.
I'm talking about the US.
On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
There's no such thing.
There certainly is.
I'm talking about the US.
On 2025-01-04 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
There's no such thing.
There certainly is.
I'm talking about the US.
Is that in the third world, a disadvantaged country? (SCNR)
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
In countries like mine, you can know by looking at the first digit if a
phone number is landline or mobile. But not in the north american continent. >>
Same in the UK. Numbers starting 01/02/03 are landlines and those starting
07 are mobile or other "special" numbers like pagers.
Andy Burns wrote:
Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.
I don't know what DECT
or POTS mean.
We have landlines
that can be direct phone wires or VOIP. Either way, the
phones are the same.
There's room for maybe 12 letter in
the Caller ID display and no facility to receive a text.
They can receive an audio message, but then, who's going
to go to the trouble to sned an audio message when most of
the people they know have texting?
The telephone exchange converts the text to machine voice, and then
phones you.
This service depends on the company and the country, and possibly on contracting the service. It is not universal.
I tried it long ago here (Spain) and quickly disabled it.
I think messages were delivered only at a more or less
fixed hour.
On 03.01.25 21:52, Andy Burns wrote:
Newyana2 wrote:
micky wrote:
Trying to find how to allow texts to a Verizion FIOS line has been
suprisingly unsuccessful.
There's no such thing. Think it through. Where could the text display
even if it did come through?
Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.
In Europe IP-Telephone Services are standard. POTS/PSTN does not exist anymore. This dates back to 2017 in the case of Switzerland.
In the UK receiving txt messages via landline is (was? I've not had one for ages) commonplace: texts are delivered as an automated voice message.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
The telephone exchange converts the text to machine voice, and then
phones you.
This service depends on the company and the country, and possibly on
contracting the service. It is not universal.
I tried it long ago here (Spain) and quickly disabled it.
I think messages were delivered only at a more or less
fixed hour.
Here, it will phone you any time of day with the voice messages, there
is an IVR number you can call to set a curfew for voice delivery, or
just turn it off altogether.
On 04.01.25 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
There's no such thing.
There certainly is.
I'm talking about the US.
As far as state of the art telecom services are concerned, they are one
or two decades behind Europe. Not only with fixed line services.
Andy Burns wrote:Here, the SMS doesn't seem to make it as far as my VoIP provider, it
Here, it will phone you any time of day with the voice messages, there
is an IVR number you can call to set a curfew for voice delivery, or
just turn it off altogether.
In the IP world such things are done in the personal webaccount.
Andy Burns wrote:I think you are overstating the facts, I'm sure most European countries
Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.
In Europe IP-Telephone Services are standard. POTS/PSTN does not exist anymore. This dates back to 2017 in the case of Switzerland.
On 2025-01-04 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
� There's no such thing.
There certainly is.
I'm talking about the US.
Is that in the third world, a disadvantaged country? (SCNR)
�� I don't know what DECT
I suspected they hadn't really caught-on over there, they're digital
cordless (mostly home) phones, so they tend to have a lot of mobile-like features, such as a graphical display.� Though mostly people associate texting only with mobiles.
or POTS mean.
I specifically said POTS because I believed you used that term (plain
old telephone service) rather than PSTN, oh well.
Newyana2 <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
There's no such thing.
There certainly is.
I'm talking about the US.
So what? Doesn't change the facts.
On 2025-01-04 09:07, J�rg Lorenz wrote:
On 04.01.25 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
�� There's no such thing.
There certainly is.
I'm talking about the US.
As far as state of the art telecom services are concerned, they are one
or two decades behind Europe. Not only with fixed line services.
Which is weird, considering that they built very good PSTN hardware,
state of the art, which was installed both sides of the pond. I'm
thinking of the Lucent aka AT&T 5ESSS, for instance, witch which I worked.
Of course, they charged per feature, so the operators would not activate
all the features.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:I think you are overstating the facts, I'm sure most European countries
Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.
In Europe IP-Telephone Services are standard. POTS/PSTN does not exist
anymore. This dates back to 2017 in the case of Switzerland.
are in the process of migrating to VoIP, as far as I can tell only
Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden claim to have completed this, and
even then, does "completed" mean absolutely 100%, I doubt it ...
On 1/4/2025 4:42 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
I don't know what DECT
I suspected they hadn't really caught-on over there, they're digital
cordless (mostly home) phones, so they tend to have a lot of mobile-
like features, such as a graphical display. Though mostly people
associate texting only with mobiles.
Yes, that's unfamiliar. I didn't know there was such a thing.
In Carlos's description he says it serves the IoT. Here that's only
possible via ethernet or wifi. So I guess I'm glad my dryer can't
jump online through my phone line.
Though I'm still not completely clear about this. My landline
has cordless extensions and a limited graphical display. It has
caller ID and I can choose to program in numbers to be blocked.
However, it does not have wireless connection to any network.
It's still a landline -- what you apparently call POTS. The only
change is updated hardware.
DECT sounds like it's truly wireless, connecting via towers
like cellphones? Or via wifi as wireless VOIP? Or maybe via
telephone pole receivers that you can see out the windy? :)
In Carlos's description he says it serves the IoT. Here that's only
possible via ethernet or wifi. So I guess I'm glad my dryer can't
jump online through my phone line.
what Andy described does not exist in the US.
We have basic telephone lines, first installed by Al Bell.
And we now have cellphones
On 1/4/2025 4:42 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
I don't know what DECT
I suspected they hadn't really caught-on over there, they're digital cordless (mostly home) phones, so they tend to have a lot of mobile-like features, such as a graphical display. Though mostly people associate texting only with mobiles.
Yes, that's unfamiliar. I didn't know there was such a thing.
In Carlos's description he says it serves the IoT. Here that's only
possible via ethernet or wifi. So I guess I'm glad my dryer can't
jump online through my phone line.
Though I'm still not completely clear about this. My landline
has cordless extensions and a limited graphical display. It has
caller ID and I can choose to program in numbers to be blocked.
However, it does not have wireless connection to any network.
It's still a landline -- what you apparently call POTS. The only
change is updated hardware.
I think you might be using DECT without realising it. eg from a search on Amazon.com for 'cordless phone', #4 is an AT&T branded DECT base and handset:
https://www.amazon.com/AT-BL102-2-2-Handset-Answering-Unsurpassed/dp/B086QB7WZ1
and similar are at #6, #9, #11, #12. Most of the others are Panasonic or V-Tech, many of which have DECT in the title too.
What model of cordless landline phone do you have?
No. DECT phones connect by radio to a base at your home, which is
connected to the copper pair.
You can see a photo of the base station on the wikipedia article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECT
On 1/3/2025 8:48 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-04 02:07, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/3/2025 5:34 PM, Chris wrote:
There's no such thing.
There certainly is.
I'm talking about the US.
Is that in the third world, a disadvantaged country? (SCNR)
It's Rome to you, buddy boy. :) We're the seat of
worldwide culture, while everyone else is in what we
call the boondocks. Spongebob Squarepants?
American. Cocoa Puffs? American. Taylor Swift?
American. I rest my case. If they ever invent hot
fudge sundae flavored Pepsi, that, too, will be American.
What have you people got? Shakespeare. History.
Literacy. The Renaissance. Big woop. If you're so smart,
why did Spongebob and Lucky Charms originate in the US?
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:I think you are overstating the facts, I'm sure most European countries
Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.
In Europe IP-Telephone Services are standard. POTS/PSTN does not exist
anymore. This dates back to 2017 in the case of Switzerland.
are in the process of migrating to VoIP, as far as I can tell only
Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden claim to have completed this, and
even then, does "completed" mean absolutely 100%, I doubt it ...
Newyana2 wrote:
what Andy described does not exist in the US.
We have basic telephone lines, first installed by Al Bell.
And we now have cellphones
Until recently DECT phones plug into basic phone lines.
Since the introduction of VoIP, the DECT base may connect to an analogue adapter, or the adapter may be built-in to the ISP router, or the base
may connect to your router via ethernet.
We [US] have basic telephone lines, first installed by Al Bell. And
we now have cellphones, which require transmission towers. About 1/3
of the US still doesn't even have cell access.
Newyana2 wrote:
what Andy described does not exist in the US.
We have basic telephone lines, first installed by Al Bell.
And we now have cellphones
Until recently DECT phones plug into basic phone lines.
Since the introduction of VoIP, the DECT base may connect to an analogue adapter, or the adapter may be built-in to the ISP router, or the base
may connect to your router via ethernet.
Nevertheless, it is common for DECT phones to plug into analogue phoneAndy Burns wrote:
Until recently DECT phones plug into basic phone lines.
DECT has absolutely nothing to do with the backend of the telefon-system
in a house. It is simply a radio standard.
J�rg Lorenz wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability
when on a PSTN/POTS line.
In Europe IP-Telephone Services are standard. POTS/PSTN does not exist anymore. This dates back to 2017 in the case of Switzerland.
I think you are overstating the facts, I'm sure most European countries
are in the process of migrating to VoIP, as far as I can tell only
Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden claim to have completed this, and
even then, does "completed" mean absolutely 100%, I doubt it ...
the 'last mile' can
still be POTS, i.e. local copper wire andanalog telephones. For
example my neighbour (in The Netherlands) still has that and she doesn't
want to change and she doesn't have to change.
Text to speech is trivially easy to accomplish computationally. I had freeware PC programme in the 90s which did it very well.
In the UK receiving txt messages via landline is (was? I've not had one for ages) commonplace: texts are delivered as an automated voice message.
We were forced to rent telephones until they broke up Bell
Telephone. Long distance calls only became affordable much
later. To this day I wouldn't call Europe. I have no idea what
it would cost.
On 04.01.25 15:01, Andy Burns wrote:
Newyana2 wrote:
what Andy described does not exist in the US.
We have basic telephone lines, first installed by Al Bell.
And we now have cellphones
Until recently DECT phones plug into basic phone lines.
DECT has absolutely nothing to do with the backend of the telefon-system
in a house. It is simply a radio standard.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
the 'last mile' can
still be POTS, i.e. local copper wire andanalog telephones. For
example my neighbour (in The Netherlands) still has that and she doesn't want to change and she doesn't have to change.
BT here are going to have an option for non-broadband users to continue
with a "POTS-like" service for a few years beyond the supposed PSTN retirement date.
There has been concern over phone lines stopping working during power
cuts, has your PTT made provision for that?
About 1/3 of the US still doesn't even have cell
access.
Do you mean geographically or by population? I suspect the former.
I'm not sure, but I think Micky is in the US. Is so then
he cannot receive texts over his landline He can only
receive audio.
As I (and others) have pointed out the system mentioned is an audio call,
not text. He (and you) could receive txt messages via your landlines *if* your telcos implemented something similar.
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability >>>> when on a PSTN/POTS line.
In Europe IP-Telephone Services are standard. POTS/PSTN does not exist
anymore. This dates back to 2017 in the case of Switzerland.
I think you are overstating the facts, I'm sure most European countries
are in the process of migrating to VoIP, as far as I can tell only
Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden claim to have completed this, and
even then, does "completed" mean absolutely 100%, I doubt it ...
And even if it's IP telephony, the user end, i.e. the 'last mile' can still be POTS, i.e. local copper wire and *analog* telephones. For
example my neighbour (in The Netherlands) still has that and she doesn't
want to change and she doesn't have to change.
OTOH, AFAIK her base-station/handset combination is DECT, so the very
last bit is partly digital, but not IP. Confusing, isn't it!? :-)
On 1/4/2025 9:01 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Newyana2 wrote:
what Andy described does not exist in the US.
We have basic telephone lines, first installed by Al Bell.
And we now have cellphones
Until recently DECT phones plug into basic phone lines.
Since the introduction of VoIP, the DECT base may connect to an
analogue adapter, or the adapter may be built-in to the ISP router, or
the base may connect to your router via ethernet.
The more we talk about this, the more it seems that DECT
merely refers to having a wired base station with wireless
extensions. That's common in the US.
Chris Green <[email protected]> wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, still true, it depends on the way the SMS gets sent to you
In the UK receiving txt messages via landline is (was? I've not had one for >>> ages) commonplace: texts are delivered as an automated voice message.
though. We have DECT phones on a landline which isn't yet VOIP.
The DECT handsets can receive and display SMS but, as I said,
depending on the sender and intermediate systems, we sometimes get an
actual text and other times a computer generated voice reading the
message.
Thanks for confirming. I suspect with the move to VOIP receiving texts will be transparent in what used to be landlines.
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
Newyana2 <[email protected]> wrote:
And, as Carlos mentioned, you can tell beforehand whether a number is
a landline number or a mobile number.
You need to know the rules, however, as each country is different. In
France, for example, mobiles start 06/07 and landlines start 01/02/03/04/05 depending on the region.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Nevertheless, it is common for DECT phones to plug into analogue phoneAndy Burns wrote:
Until recently DECT phones plug into basic phone lines.
DECT has absolutely nothing to do with the backend of the telefon-system
in a house. It is simply a radio standard.
lines.
On 1/4/2025 1:32 PM, Chris wrote:
About 1/3 of the US still doesn't even have cell
access.
Do you mean geographically or by population? I suspect the former.
Geographically, yes. There are large areas with sparse population
and the telcos are not required to reach them.
I'm not sure, but I think Micky is in the US. Is so then
he cannot receive texts over his landline He can only
receive audio.
As I (and others) have pointed out the system mentioned is an audio call, not text. He (and you) could receive txt messages via your landlines *if* your telcos implemented something similar.
Yes, but as far as I know there's no such option. Though
it could be handy for situations where companies insist on
a 2FA code. Many are happy to send it via email, but at
one point I was considering opening an investment account
and I couldn't sign up without a cellphone. They won't send
codes via audio. I suspect that they just want the cellphone
number and to get people using apps, so that they can track
their customers and perhaps sell personal data.
Yes, but as far as I know there's no such option. Though
it could be handy for situations where companies insist on
a 2FA code. Many are happy to send it via email, but at
one point I was considering opening an investment account
and I couldn't sign up without a cellphone. They won't send
codes via audio. I suspect that they just want the cellphone
number and to get people using apps, so that they can track
their customers and perhaps sell personal data.
On 2025-01-04 20:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
And even if it's IP telephony, the user end, i.e. the 'last mile' can still be POTS, i.e. local copper wire and *analog* telephones. For
example my neighbour (in The Netherlands) still has that and she doesn't want to change and she doesn't have to change.
Depends on the country. Here, those people that did not want to change,
have been forced to change, or service would be simply stopped. On Telef�nica, which I think it is still the major provider, it is fibre or radio for the landline. Copper, no way.
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
Newyana2 <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
We were forced to rent telephones until they broke up Bell
Telephone. Long distance calls only became affordable much
later. To this day I wouldn't call Europe. I have no idea what
it would cost.
Well, you could install Skype on your computer (or smartphone ("Yeah, *right*!")) and call European landlines for a few cents per minute (if
that 'much') and mobile numbers for a bit more.
Or simply use whatsapp. Large swathes of the European population use
whatsapp and calls only require data; i.e. free using home wifi.
On 1/4/2025 10:22 AM, Theo wrote:
I think you might be using DECT without realising it. eg from a search on Amazon.com for 'cordless phone', #4 is an AT&T branded DECT base and handset:
https://www.amazon.com/AT-BL102-2-2-Handset-Answering-Unsurpassed/dp/B086QB7WZ1
and similar are at #6, #9, #11, #12. Most of the others are Panasonic or V-Tech, many of which have DECT in the title too.
What model of cordless landline phone do you have?
Panasonic. But note that the phone in the picture has an
antenna. Mine is wired directly to the phone line, which
goes to the VOIP device but used to go to a modem and
before that wen't to public telephone lines. The extensions
are wireless, but not the base station/answering machine.
I've never seen a fully wireless landline. But maybe it's not
really different. Using radio waves to get to the phone line is
not fundamentally changing the technology. The phone in the
picture has the same basic display and functions. The only
difference seems to be that it doesn't need to be direct-wired.
If DECT eventually goes to the landline
then it would seem that the lack of landline texting in the
US may be more due to simple lack of support rather than
technical issues. Not that I mind. I have no interest in
receiving 100 characters of misspelled trivia, scrolling
across my tiny phone screen like news headlines. As it
stands, I'm glad that people can't text me.
DECT handsets are cordless, as the name suggests. They talk via radio to
the base station, hence the antenna. The base is corded, either to the classic copper phone line or to a VOIP converter box (maybe in the ISP's router).
I've never been able to receive text messages on my Ooma VOIP number,
but I thought it might be interesting to try to send one.� My question:
How does one do that?� Email to the phone number?� Nope.� "Messages"
tried but failed.
Anything?
Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
On 04.01.25 13:55, Andy Burns wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:I think you are overstating the facts, I'm sure most European countries
Aren't DECT phone common over there? Many of them have SMS capability >>>> when on a PSTN/POTS line.
In Europe IP-Telephone Services are standard. POTS/PSTN does not exist >>> anymore. This dates back to 2017 in the case of Switzerland.
are in the process of migrating to VoIP, as far as I can tell only
Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden claim to have completed this, and
even then, does "completed" mean absolutely 100%, I doubt it ...
Nonsense. Switzerland ended POTS/PSTN 2017.
Scandinavia and Switzerland are at least 5 year rather 10 ahead of
Germany which is massively underdeveloped compared to Switzerland and Scandinavia. Worse so in mobile telecommunication.
The UK only *started* phasing out POTS at the end of 2023...
On 1/5/25 12:32 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/5/2025 3:25 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
I've never been able to receive text messages on my Ooma VOIP number,
but I thought it might be interesting to try to send one. My question: >> How does one do that? Email to the phone number? Nope. "Messages"
tried but failed.
Anything?
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I wanted to try sending a text message from my
cell TO my Ooma VOIP number. I'll try emailing ###@ooma.com and see
what happens.
You can. These should be up to date:
Thanks, this is useful information.
Carlos E.R. wrote:The spanish solution sounds rather like fibre to the cabinet, with voice
In Spain the change to VoIP is hidden. The telco pretends it isstill POTS, and charges for all the POTS services.
That's unfortunate. Fortunately here in the UK, with a bit of planning, we can port our landline number away from our usual provider to another VOIP provider. Most people won't, however.
My current broadband contract is up this year and the POTS will be discontinued so will have to get this done.
Chris wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:The spanish solution sounds rather like fibre to the cabinet, with voice cards fitted to the cabinet?
In Spain the change to VoIP is hidden. The telco pretends it isstill POTS, and charges for all the POTS services.
That's unfortunate. Fortunately here in the UK, with a bit of
planning, we
can port our landline number away from our usual provider to another VOIP
provider. Most people won't, however.
My current broadband contract is up this year and the POTS will be
discontinued so will have to get this done.
Andy Burns wrote:Is your sitting room a mile long then :-) or was it someone else who
The spanish solution sounds rather like fibre to the cabinet, with
voice cards fitted to the cabinet?
It is fibre to the sitting room, to the router, or to a little box
before it called "ONT". Either the ONT or the router have copper pair
out, thus it is VoIP to the router, POTS out of it.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:Is your sitting room a mile long then :-) or was it someone else who mentioned "last mile"?
The spanish solution sounds rather like fibre to the cabinet, with
voice cards fitted to the cabinet?
It is fibre to the sitting room, to the router, or to a little box
before it called "ONT". Either the ONT or the router have copper pair
out, thus it is VoIP to the router, POTS out of it.
Depends. In Spain the change to VoIP is hidden. The telco pretends it is still POTS, and charges for all the POTS services. For example, callid
has a price per month. The price structure is that of POTS. And they
keep a secret how to configure a true VoIP phone (connected with
ethernet or wifi, not copper pair), and do not offer the new services
that VoIP allow.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
The spanish solution sounds rather like fibre to the cabinet, with
voice cards fitted to the cabinet?
It is fibre to the sitting room, to the router, or to a little box
before it called "ONT". Either the ONT or the router have copper pair
out, thus it is VoIP to the router, POTS out of it.
Is your sitting room a mile long then :-) or was it someone else who mentioned "last mile"?
micky <[email protected]> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:38:34 +0000, Andy Burns
<[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:
When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some
indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it >> >> can't receive texts?
Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to
text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?
I don't know. I don't think so. For several years I have beeen the
contact person for the people who plow (plough?) our streets when it
snows. I saw the contract yesterday and it has my landline first, and
my cell number. I'm still living in the 1950's and I envisioned them
calling me on the phone, but now I see they send texts. I got one on
the cell a year ago and another yesterday. I've never gotten any
message from them on my landline, so I wonder if they tried and realized
it wasn't accepting texts and they switched to the other number.
Sigh! As you have a landline, why don't *you* try/test it, instead of
asking here for an impossible to give answer (because it depends on your
and their telco and setups).
If it works for you, it will also work for them, because in that test
your landline telco and their setup is the deciding factor.
If it does not work for you,
it doesn't mean it doesn't work for them,
so it's undecided and the only things you can do is ask them to test it
or remove your landline number from their contact list. In most cases,
the 'customer', i.e. you, should be able to do that themselves, but that >depends on how customer-friendly their IT is.
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In comp.mobile.android, on 3 Jan 2025 18:23:22 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
micky <[email protected]> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:38:34 +0000, Andy Burns
<[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:
When someone unknowingly sends a text to a landline, does he get some >> >> indication back that the text did not reach the destination, because it >> >> can't receive texts?
Here in the UK, text messages *can* be delivered to landlines, either to >> >text-capable phones using an extension of the caller-ID delivery
mechanism, or via a robot voice ... don't you have similar over there?
I don't know. I don't think so. For several years I have beeen the
contact person for the people who plow (plough?) our streets when it
snows. I saw the contract yesterday and it has my landline first, and
my cell number. I'm still living in the 1950's and I envisioned them
calling me on the phone, but now I see they send texts. I got one on
the cell a year ago and another yesterday. I've never gotten any
message from them on my landline, so I wonder if they tried and realized >> it wasn't accepting texts and they switched to the other number.
Sigh! As you have a landline, why don't *you* try/test it, instead of
asking here for an impossible to give answer (because it depends on your >and their telco and setups).
It never occurred to me that one could get texts on a landline until
someone here, I think, suggested it. And I couldn't find any
information on how to do it.
</repeat>Sigh! As you have a landline, why don't *you* try/test it, instead of
asking here for an impossible to give answer (because it depends on your >and their telco and setups).
If it works for you, it will also work for them, because in that test
your landline telco and their setup is the deciding factor.
If it does not work for you,
If what works for me?
it doesn't mean it doesn't work for them,
so it's undecided and the only things you can do is ask them to test it
or remove your landline number from their contact list. In most cases,
the 'customer', i.e. you, should be able to do that themselves, but that >depends on how customer-friendly their IT is.
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