More about RCS.
First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by T-mobile.
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
More about RCS.
First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by
T-mobile.
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >standard. Nothing to write home about.
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
More about RCS.
First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by
T-mobile.
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
standard. Nothing to write home about.
Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
before I got RCS.
On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, J�rg Lorenz
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
More about RCS.
First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a >>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by >>>> T-mobile.
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
standard. Nothing to write home about.
Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
before I got RCS.
Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also
possible if needed.
You seem not to understand the nature of RCS.
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, J�rg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, J�rg Lorenz
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
More about RCS.
First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a >>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by >>>> T-mobile.
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>>
HOw cool is that.
All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >>> standard. Nothing to write home about.
Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
before I got RCS.
Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also
possible if needed.
I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never
noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS.
You seem not to understand the nature of RCS.
As usual, you are not much help. But you are good at insults. Perhaps
that makes up for it.
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
More about RCS.
First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a >>>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by >>>>> T-mobile.
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>>>
HOw cool is that.
All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >>>> standard. Nothing to write home about.
Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
before I got RCS.
Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also
possible if needed.
I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never
noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS.
You seem not to understand the nature of RCS.
As usual, you are not much help. But you are good at insults. Perhaps
that makes up for it.
micky <[email protected]> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
More about RCS.
First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a >>>>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by >>>>>> T-mobile.
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little >>>>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>>>>
HOw cool is that.
All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum >>>>> standard. Nothing to write home about.
Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
before I got RCS.
Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also
possible if needed.
I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never
noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS.
Jörg said "other messengers", not other SMS/MMS apps. You're probably confused because - being an American - you equate "messenger",
"messages", etc. with 'texting', i.e. SMS.
But with "messengers", Jörg refers to IM (Instant Messsging) platforms such as WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc., etc..
These platforms have had received and read indicator for many, many
years.
That's why we non-Americans don't get it why you Americans are still
stuck in the - relative - stone age and do not even know/realize what
you're missing.
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:[...]
All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
standard. Nothing to write home about.
Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
before I got RCS.
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
micky, 2025-01-03 14:02:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz[...]
<[email protected]> wrote:
All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
standard. Nothing to write home about.
Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
before I got RCS.
"email" is not "messenger". Don't get confused with that - these are to fundamental different services.
E-Mail uses long existing standard protocols like SMTP, POP3, IMAP and
can be used with clients like K9 mail, Google Mail and so on. It is also
a federated infrastrucutre, which means you can have a GMail account but
you can also send e-mails to people at Hotmail or any other custom
domain which has e-mail services enabled - because servers of the
providers accept messages from other providers outside their own
network. Yes, this has some limitations to avoid spam, but this is the general idea of federation.
Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated
services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers
of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they
send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you
either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends
to join the messenger service you use yourself.
Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
Carlos E.R. wrote:On new year's eve, I received for the first time an RCS message from an
Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
SMS yes. RCS no.
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
I turned that off, so you won't see anything when you text me. Turned
off the typing indicator as well.
Arno Welzel <[email protected]> Wrote in message:
Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:Might the recipient have seen the message in a notification on the
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
home screen, but not opened the messages app to read it?
I don't
know - I don't use RCS.
I know one of my apps - I forget which, or even which phone -
pings to remind me I have an unread message when I've read it as
a notification - and it just says 'OK', say.
On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
SMS yes. RCS no.
On 2025-01-04 09:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
SMS yes. RCS no.
Why do you think I said SMS?
On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
I don't
know - I don't use RCS.
Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
On 2025-01-03 16:38, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
J�rg said "other messengers", not other SMS/MMS apps. You're probably confused because - being an American - you equate "messenger",
"messages", etc. with 'texting', i.e. SMS.
But with "messengers", J�rg refers to IM (Instant Messsging) platforms such as WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc., etc..
These platforms have had received and read indicator for many, many years.
That's why we non-Americans don't get it why you Americans are still stuck in the - relative - stone age and do not even know/realize what you're missing.
But we non-Americans should be aware of the fact that texting (meaning
SMS) is very popular at the other side of the pond, whereas platforms
like whatsapp, signal, telegram... are not.
Thus for them RCS is a big improvement.
And J�rg knows all this, but chose to feign ignorance.
On 04.01.25 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-04 09:02, J�rg Lorenz wrote:
On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
SMS yes. RCS no.
Why do you think I said SMS?
Why do think I wrote the post in the first place?
RCS no.
Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:25:31 +0100, Arno Welzel <[email protected]> wrote:
Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
I didn't see any indication in advance or after that he didn't have RCS,
On 2025-01-03 23:22, Arno Welzel wrote:[...
Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated
services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers
of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they
send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from
WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you
either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends
to join the messenger service you use yourself.
Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
Arno Welzel <[email protected]> Wrote in message:[...]
Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the messageMight the recipient have seen the message in a notification on the
since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
home screen, but not opened the messages app to read it? I don't
know - I don't use RCS.
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:25:31 +0100, Arno Welzel <[email protected]> wrote:[...]
Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
I didn't see any indication in advance or after that he didn't have RCS,
On 04.01.25 11:00, s|b wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
I turned that off, so you won't see anything when you text me. Turned
off the typing indicator as well.
Voilà! Same here.
On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
I don't
know - I don't use RCS.
Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-)
J�rg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 13:51:
On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
I don't
know - I don't use RCS.
Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-)
RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
Carlos E.R., 2025-01-04 02:55:
On 2025-01-03 23:22, Arno Welzel wrote:[...
Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated
services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers >>> of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they
send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from
WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you
either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends
to join the messenger service you use yourself.
Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered. At least in Germany I experienced it more than once that SMS from one provider to
another did not get delivered to the recipient. Since providers don't
earn extra money for SMS any longer, they tend not to care about interoperability any longer.
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 12:21:
On 04.01.25 11:00, s|b wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
HOw cool is that.
I turned that off, so you won't see anything when you text me. Turned
off the typing indicator as well.
Voilà! Same here.
Well - the typing indicator is understandable. But why disabling RCS completely? What's wrong with using RCS at all?
On 2025-01-05 13:04, Arno Welzel wrote:
J�rg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 12:21:
On 04.01.25 11:00, s|b wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>>
HOw cool is that.
I turned that off, so you won't see anything when you text me. Turned
off the typing indicator as well.
Voil�! Same here.
Well - the typing indicator is understandable. But why disabling RCS completely? What's wrong with using RCS at all?
Nothing. He just has that mania.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
So it seems like the
snowplow guy does have RCS but I still have no blue circles so, it's impossible for me to believe he didn't read my texts yet so that means
it just doesn't work perfectly . One should not be surprised, LOL .
On 2025-01-05 02:45, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:25:31 +0100, Arno Welzel
<[email protected]> wrote:
Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>>>
HOw cool is that.
If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
I didn't see any indication in advance or after that he didn't have RCS,
Look carefully. In the message box before you start typing, there is a
faint lettering that says RCS or SMS/MMS. RCS inside the box, sms above
the box. The colour is also slightly different.
The google messages app has that feature.
...
Carlos E.R., 2025-01-04 02:55:
On 2025-01-03 23:22, Arno Welzel wrote:[...
Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated
services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers >>> of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they
send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from
WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you
either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends
to join the messenger service you use yourself.
Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered. At least in Germany I experienced it more than once that SMS from one provider to
another did not get delivered to the recipient. Since providers don't
earn extra money for SMS any longer, they tend not to care about interoperability any longer.
On 2025-01-05 13:04, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 12:21:
On 04.01.25 11:00, s|b wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>>>
HOw cool is that.
I turned that off, so you won't see anything when you text me. Turned
off the typing indicator as well.
Voilà! Same here.
Well - the typing indicator is understandable. But why disabling RCS
completely? What's wrong with using RCS at all?
Nothing. He just has that mania.
On 05.01.25 12:57, Arno Welzel wrote:
Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered.
It never was. Russian Roulette. RCS is even worse.
Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered.
On 05.01.25 12:57, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered. At least in
Germany I experienced it more than once that SMS from one provider to
another did not get delivered to the recipient. Since providers don't
earn extra money for SMS any longer, they tend not to care about
interoperability any longer.
SMS has never been more important as delivery channel for security
related distribution channels and for businesses. Simply because it is standardised like email.
On 05.01.25 15:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:[...]
On 2025-01-05 13:04, Arno Welzel wrote:
Well - the typing indicator is understandable. But why disabling RCS
completely? What's wrong with using RCS at all?
Nothing. He just has that mania.
You seem not to understand all the fallacies of RCS. Especially the
almost toal lack of privacy and security. And that little rest that
remains is in the hands of evil Google.
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 17:34:
On 05.01.25 15:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:[...]
On 2025-01-05 13:04, Arno Welzel wrote:
Well - the typing indicator is understandable. But why disabling RCS
completely? What's wrong with using RCS at all?
Nothing. He just has that mania.
You seem not to understand all the fallacies of RCS. Especially the
almost toal lack of privacy and security. And that little rest that
remains is in the hands of evil Google.
Who ever expected privacy when using SMS or E-Mail without S/MIME or PGP/GnuPH? Why should this be different with RCS? You also tell people
not to send SMS or e-mails to you, because they are not encrypted?
In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 5 Jan 2025 04:05:56 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2025-01-05 02:45, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:25:31 +0100, Arno Welzel
<[email protected]> wrote:
Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little >>>>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>>>>
HOw cool is that.
If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if >>>> the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
I didn't see any indication in advance or after that he didn't have RCS,
Look carefully. In the message box before you start typing, there is a
faint lettering that says RCS or SMS/MMS. RCS inside the box, sms above
the box. The colour is also slightly different.
Everyone I texted lately had within the message box "RCS mess...", but
just now I started to text somone else and it has "Text messa...", Also,
the RCS one has a white text area on a grey background and the SMS one
has a grey text area on a white background! So it seems like the
snowplow guy does have RCS but I still have no blue circles so, it's impossible for me to believe he didn't read my texts yet so that means
it just doesn't work perfectly . One should not be surprised, LOL .
On 05.01.25 12:57, Arno Welzel wrote:
Carlos E.R., 2025-01-04 02:55:
On 2025-01-03 23:22, Arno Welzel wrote:[...
Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated
services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers >>>> of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they >>>> send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from
WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you
either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends >>>> to join the messenger service you use yourself.
Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered. At least in
Germany I experienced it more than once that SMS from one provider to
another did not get delivered to the recipient. Since providers don't
earn extra money for SMS any longer, they tend not to care about
interoperability any longer.
SMS has never been more important as delivery channel for security
related distribution channels and for businesses. Simply because it is standardised like email.
For private communication it almost completely lost its importance and
was replaced with Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal,
Threema and iMessage. But certainly not RCS.
Google offered to help
Apple, but they refused.
On 2025-01-05 17:31, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
For private communication it almost completely lost its importance and
was replaced with Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal,
Threema and iMessage. But certainly not RCS.
That's not so in NA. You keep forgetting.
On 05.01.25 21:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-05 17:31, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
For private communication it almost completely lost its importance and
was replaced with Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal,
Threema and iMessage. But certainly not RCS.
That's not so in NA. You keep forgetting.
It is so in NA. People below 60 do not use SMS for private communication anymore and adolescents hardly know what an SMS is. My contacts in the
US of A use all messengers. SMS is out for more than a decade because of
the very limited functionality. Cost is no factor in this equation.
On 2025-01-05 22:19, J�rg Lorenz wrote:
On 05.01.25 21:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-05 17:31, J�rg Lorenz wrote:
For private communication it almost completely lost its importance and >>> was replaced with Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal,
Threema and iMessage. But certainly not RCS.
That's not so in NA. You keep forgetting.
It is so in NA. People below 60 do not use SMS for private communication anymore and adolescents hardly know what an SMS is. My contacts in the
US of A use all messengers. SMS is out for more than a decade because of the very limited functionality. Cost is no factor in this equation.
Sigh.
I think 's|b' refers to the read check mark, not RCS itself, as he
says "Turned off the typing indicator as well." If RCS is turned off,
there's no typing indicator to turn off (or on).
At least inProviders haven't made money from SMS for a long time. It's been bundled as "unlimited" in pretty much all types of contracts.
Germany I experienced it more than once that SMS from one provider to
another did not get delivered to the recipient. Since providers don't
earn extra money for SMS any longer, they tend not to care about
interoperability any longer.
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 13:51:
On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
I don't
know - I don't use RCS.
Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-)
RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 13:01:29 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 13:51:
On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
I don't
know - I don't use RCS.
Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-) >>
Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 13:01:29 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 13:51:
On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
I don't
know - I don't use RCS.
Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-) >>
Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
On 2025-01-07 14:38, Joe Beanfish wrote:
On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 13:01:29 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 13:51:
On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-) >>>
I don't
know - I don't use RCS.
Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-) >>>>
Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
information as there is with email.
You can read here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services>
Basically, it depends on whether your provider supports it directly, or
not. If not, then it is via Google servers. Look at the "Interconnection
and hubs" section in the above link.
There is also a large table of providers ("Commercial deployments").
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Joe Beanfish wrote:
Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream
immediately. ;-)
RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
information as there is with email.
A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the
Jibe/Google servers.
Joe Beanfish wrote:
Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream
immediately. ;-)
RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
information as there is with email.
On 08.01.25 16:40, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Joe Beanfish wrote:
Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream
immediately. ;-)
RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
information as there is with email.
A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since
then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the
Jibe/Google servers.
Which is totally unacceptable for many users and also explains partially Apple's unwillingness to fully adopt RCS.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Joe Beanfish wrote:
Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream
immediately. ;-)
RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
information as there is with email.
A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the Jibe/ Google servers.
On 2025-01-08 17:07, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 08.01.25 16:40, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
Joe Beanfish wrote:
Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream
immediately. ;-)
RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
information as there is with email.
A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since >>> then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the
Jibe/Google servers.
Which is totally unacceptable for many users and also explains partially
Apple's unwillingness to fully adopt RCS.
They can run their own servers. And who cares who runs the servers,
anyway, when messages are encrypted end to end.
On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Google offered to help
Apple, but they refused.
*ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all information irrespective what Google says.
Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
On 08.01.25 16:40, Andy Burns wrote:[...]
A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since
then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the
Jibe/Google servers.
Which is totally unacceptable for many users and also explains partially Apple's unwillingness to fully adopt RCS.
On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 13:01:29 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 13:51:
On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
I don't
know - I don't use RCS.
Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-) >>
Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
You do not understand the inferior technolgy used for RCS.
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Google offered to help
Apple, but they refused.
*ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
information irrespective what Google says.
Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
On 10.01.25 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Google offered to help
Apple, but they refused.
*ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
information irrespective what Google says.
Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
Android is proprietary from A to Z, stupid.
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Google offered to help
Apple, but they refused.
*ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
information irrespective what Google says.
Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
On 2025-01-10 22:19, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 10.01.25 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Google offered to help
Apple, but they refused.
*ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
information irrespective what Google says.
Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
Android is proprietary from A to Z, stupid.
Insulting, you too?
On 2025-01-10 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Google offered to help
Apple, but they refused.
*ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
information irrespective what Google says.
Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
Ah, yes, true. FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level.
Thank you for noticing. Same for WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal...
On 10.01.25 22:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-10 22:19, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 10.01.25 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Google offered to help
Apple, but they refused.
*ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all >>>>> information irrespective what Google says.
Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are >>>> proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
Android is proprietary from A to Z, stupid.
Insulting, you too?
At one point you will perhaps understand that not the OS is critical it
is the encryption-algo.
On 10.01.25 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Google offered to help
Apple, but they refused.
*ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
information irrespective what Google says.
Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
Android is proprietary from A to Z, stupid.
Carlos E.R., 2025-01-10 20:32:
On 2025-01-10 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Google offered to help
Apple, but they refused.
*ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
information irrespective what Google says.
Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
Ah, yes, true. FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level.
Thank you for noticing. Same for WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal...
Signal is Open Source.
On 2025-01-11 12:53, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
Signal is Open Source.
Ok, but not fully.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Licensing
Signal's servers are partially open source, but the server software's anti-spam component is proprietary and closed source due to security concerns.[13][191]
micky, 2025-01-05 02:45:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:25:31 +0100, Arno Welzel
<[email protected]> wrote:
Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text, >>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the >>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue. >>>>>
HOw cool is that.
If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
I didn't see any indication in advance or after that he didn't have RCS, >[...]
In my Google Messages, which is the default for SMS/RCS on Pixel
devices, the input field for the text displays either "Text message" for >simple SMS or "RCS message" when the recipient is able to recieve RCS >messages.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 714 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 139:28:29 |
| Calls: | 12,087 |
| Files: | 14,998 |
| Messages: | 6,517,411 |