Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force* <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force* <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
On 2024-12-28 19:32, Andrew wrote:
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long. >>
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-
chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of >> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
How does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 19:43:27 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-12-28 19:32, Andrew wrote:
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a goodHow does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?
thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long. >>>
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal- >>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of >>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force. >>
I wondered that too. For a train, for example, 'interoperating'
suggests more than shared infrastructure. It means the couplings, the software etc have to be compatible.
“By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.”
�By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.�
I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
no charger was included
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force* <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*How does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal- >>>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force. >>>
I wondered that too. For a train, for example, 'interoperating'
suggests more than shared infrastructure. It means the couplings, the
software etc have to be compatible.
For an iPad there is interaction. USB-C has voltage negotiation, but my wife's iPad charges correctly from my Lenovo laptop charger.
On an iPhone the "Lightening" adaptor also functions as a device port allowing Apple to control which devices can be connected....
�By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it >>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.� >>>
I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
no charger was included
I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging sockets.
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long. >>
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-
chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of >> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
industry has ever produced.
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
�By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.�
I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
no charger was included
I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
sockets.
After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was finally forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their bondage.
https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/
W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too
long.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
"terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
force.
Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
industry has ever produced.
It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their proprietary Lightning port.
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know, what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
Apple's hand was forced by the
European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets,
and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the
end of 2024.
On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good >>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
too long.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
"terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
force.
Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
industry has ever produced.
It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
union
of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
decision
sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
proprietary Lightning port.
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
bad sector wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:25:44 -0500 :
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you
know,
what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
By forcing Apple to care about its customers, the EU did everyone a favor.
There's a reason the EU forced Apple to increase the battery capacity, for example, as Apple wouldn't be able to sell a single iPhone if they did not.
Not a single iPhone prior to that legislation being drafted had anywhere
near the overall long-term battery life of most Android phones.
Even AFTER Apple (barely) complied with the EU's battery-life statutes, no iPhone even comes close to the overall battery life of most Androids.
Apple hates you.
On 29/12/2024 11:05, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 19:43:27 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-12-28 19:32, Andrew wrote:
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good >>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
too long.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
universal-
chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
"terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
force.
How does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?
I wondered that too. For a train, for example, 'interoperating'
suggests more than shared infrastructure. It means the couplings, the
software etc have to be compatible.
For an iPad there is interaction. USB-C has voltage negotiation, but my wife's iPad charges correctly from my Lenovo laptop charger.
On an iPhone the "Lightening" adaptor also functions as a device port allowing Apple to control which devices can be connected....
Carlos E.R. wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:50:43 +0100 :
Apple's hand was forced by the European Union, which passed a law in
2022 requiring phones, tablets, and cameras sold in the region to come
equipped with a USB-C port by the end of 2024.
Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:32:14 +0100, David Wade wrote:
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
universal-
chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
"terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
force.
How does a universal charger change "interoperating" at all?
I wondered that too. For a train, for example, 'interoperating'
suggests more than shared infrastructure. It means the couplings, the
software etc have to be compatible.
For an iPad there is interaction. USB-C has voltage negotiation, but
my wife's iPad charges correctly from my Lenovo laptop charger.
On an iPhone the "Lightening" adaptor also functions as a device port
allowing Apple to control which devices can be connected....
The connector matters not only for the compatibility of the cabling, but
also the protocols (currently most often PD and QC), and even more so, for inter operability with accessories such as with universal wired headphones.
Apple purposefully destroys inter operability (for their profit & avarice).
“By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it >> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.” >>
I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
no charger was included
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
�By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.�
I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
no charger was included
I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
sockets.
After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was finally forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their bondage.
https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/
W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too
long.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
"terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
force.
Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
industry has ever produced.
It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their proprietary Lightning port.
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know, what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
On 2024-12-29 16:31, Nick Cine wrote:Spare me.
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
�By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new
charger, it
will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has
argued.�
I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because >>>> no charger was included
I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
sockets.
After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was
finally
forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their
bondage.
https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/
«Apple has gradually added USB-C ports to its other hardware over the
past few years. It was the first to put USB-C on a laptop in 2015. Then
iPads started the transition from Lightning to USB-C. You can say the
iPhone was inevitably going to be next in line, but Apple has been
collecting licensing fees from third parties that make accessories
utilizing the Lightning port through the company's Made for iPhone (MFi) program. Why lose out on all that cash? Apple's hand was forced by the European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets,
and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the
end of 2024.»
Interoperability :-)
I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
no charger was included
Andrew <[email protected]> wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:50:43 +0100 :
Apple's hand was forced by the
European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets,
and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the >>> end of 2024.
Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be pretty useless if they didn't.
It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
world's largest single consumer market (500 million people),
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:24:25 +0000, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
no charger was included
Ditto my Google Pixel 8a, purchased at the end of November. the box
contained a USB-C cable, and a USB-A (female) to USB-C (male) dongle.
I have no use for the dongle.
Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be pretty useless if they didn't.
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating
it will have.
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any
intention
of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
pretty useless if they didn't.
Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
(In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
Apple murdered interoperability.
FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)...
But...
You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to do it (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
But wait... there's more...
That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
Fancy that.
A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE IDs!
The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
FACT:
a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
(without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
Apple murdered interoperability.
Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:21:36 -0000 (UTC) :
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you
know,
what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit
mandating
it will have.
Bear in mind Apple puts the cheapest possible components into the iPhone.
That's why the EU mandates forbid Apple to sell any iPhone in Europe.
Only then did Apple increase the battery capacity of the iPhone, Chris.
And even then, Apple barely made it to the EU minimum battery life, Chris.
Note: Apple trolls don't know the difference between hours in a day vs the battery lifetime in years. Seriously - Apple trolls are that stupid.
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how do
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had anyAnd yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be >>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
intention
of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else. >>>>
Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about
iOS.
1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
(In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
False.
Apple murdered interoperability.
FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
False.
Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding
additional
bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day
holes!)...
False.
But...
You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to
do it
(even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
But wait... there's more...
That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
Nope. False.
Fancy that.
A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT
APPLE IDs!
Completely false.
The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
FACT:
a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
(without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
Apple murdered interoperability.
Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how
do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
Hi Keith,
You're responding to "Alan Baker" who is almost universally plonked by everyone simply because his responses are merely "nope" to everything.
Even I've plonked him (along with Snit & Jeorg Lorenz), where in decades on Usenet, my killfile still doesn't contain more than about ten posters.
This Alan Baker troll constantly claims that he, and only he, out of the billions of people in the world, can do the impossible with iOS & Windows.
And yet, he admits to never having used a Windows PC in his entire life.
How is that?
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how do
you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how do
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any
intention
of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else. >>>>>
And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be >>>>
pretty useless if they didn't.
Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS. >>>
1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
�� (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
False.
Apple murdered interoperability.
FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
False.
Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding
additional
bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day
holes!)...
False.
But...
You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to
do it
(even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
But wait... there's more...
That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
Nope. False.
Fancy that.
A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE
IDs!
Completely false.
The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
FACT:
a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
�� (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
Apple murdered interoperability.
Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :
how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
Hi Keith,
Images are actually easy to copy in *that* direction (from iOS to PC).
But Apple doesn't give the user any say in the file names.
So they're all idiotic sophomoric numberical meaningless names for each.
But try to move anything other than images from iOS to Windows and
everything becomes harder - and then - try to go the other way (i.e.,
from Windows to iOS) and then try it on another iOS device. <https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way
Note Apple's coding team sucks so badly they can't even figure out how to allow the user to name the image files in a way that makes any sense.
It's yet another instance of where Apple hates you.Apple doesn't think you should have any control over the image file name!
But try to copy something other than an image file and nothing works.
Apple murdered interoperability.
For each of those steps, Apple blocks interoperability in a different way, e.g., you need to know the Apple ID (aka Apple Account) for every iOS
device and you need to know the password and you need to wipe it out and
then do it again with the *next* device, etc., and even then, you can only import/export where Apple allows you to (which is almost nowhere, e.g., you can't import/export IPA files and then install them on a *different* iOS device (even free IPAs) - whereas with Android - all this just works.
To show you how fantastic Windows is with APKs from Android, all I have to
do is *slide* the APK from Windows to the Android display to install them. <https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows
Yup. You just *slide* the APK from Windows to the image of Android.
And it automatically installs that app.
You can slide a hundred APKs to one Android from one PC & they install.
You can slide another hundred to another set of Androids, & they install.
It just works.
You can even mount your entire Android phone as a Windows drive letter. <https://i.postimg.cc/9FJMKYch/scrcpy21.jpg> Windows Drive: <===> Android
That's interoperability!
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how do
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had anyAnd yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be >>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
intention
of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else. >>>>
Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about
iOS.
1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
(In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
False.
Apple murdered interoperability.
FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
False.
Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding
additional
bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day
holes!)...
False.
But...
You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to
do it
(even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
But wait... there's more...
That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
Nope. False.
Fancy that.
A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT
APPLE IDs!
Completely false.
The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
FACT:
a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
(without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
Apple murdered interoperability.
Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
Stan Brown wrote:I think the most recent phone I bought which used a cable to do the data migration was Pixel3, can't remember what the pixel5a did, NFC bonk perhaps?
my Google Pixel 8a, purchased at the end of November. the boxcontained a USB-C cable, and a USB-A (female) to USB-C (male) dongle.
I have no use for the dongle.
The dongle is probably for being able to connect two phones together
(by means of the correct USB-something to USB-A cable) to transfer all
one's stuff from one's 'old' phone to one's 'new' phone.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
my Google Pixel 8a, purchased at the end of November. the boxcontained a USB-C cable, and a USB-A (female) to USB-C (male) dongle.
I have no use for the dongle.
The dongle is probably for being able to connect two phones together
(by means of the correct USB-something to USB-A cable) to transfer all one's stuff from one's 'old' phone to one's 'new' phone.
I think the most recent phone I bought which used a cable to do the data migration was Pixel3, can't remember what the pixel5a did, NFC bonk perhaps?
The pixel8a just needed a QR code scanning from one phone to the other
and leave them to it ...
My advice is to keep the USB dongle, it may come in handy one day.
On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how
do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
You can import photos to your PC by connecting your device to your
computer and using the Apple Devices app:
Install the Apple Devices app from the Microsoft Store.
Connect your iPhone or iPad to your PC with a USB cable.
If asked, unlock your iOS or iPadOS device using your passcode.
If you see a prompt on your iOS or iPadOS device asking you to Trust
This Computer, tap Trust or Allow to continue.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/120267>
Done!
On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:[...]
On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
...
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how
do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
Jan K. <[email protected]> wrote:
W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good >>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal- >>>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force. >>>
wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
industry has ever produced.
It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union >> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision >> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
proprietary Lightning port.
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating
it will have.
On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
...
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how
do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
You can import photos to your PC by connecting your device to your
computer and using the Apple Devices app:
Install the Apple Devices app from the Microsoft Store.
Connect your iPhone or iPad to your PC with a USB cable.
If asked, unlock your iOS or iPadOS device using your passcode.
If you see a prompt on your iOS or iPadOS device asking you to Trust
This Computer, tap Trust or Allow to continue.'
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/120267>
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not tried that)
Theo wrote on 30 Dec 2024 15:56:51 +0000 (GMT) :
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from
anywhere.
1. Copying photos from iOS to Windows is easy
2. Going the other way is not
As I mentioned, a USB cable is just an option. There are others like
Wi-Fi (direct), 'cloud', etc.. What is faster probably depends on the hardware of both phones and your network. In my case, I used Wi-Fi
(direct).
Frank Slootweg wrote on 30 Dec 2024 12:32:48 GMT :
As I mentioned, a USB cable is just an option. There are others like
Wi-Fi (direct), 'cloud', etc.. What is faster probably depends on the
hardware of both phones and your network. In my case, I used Wi-Fi
(direct).
Frank is correct that with Android & Windows, there are many options.
For example, I connect my Android phone over Wi-Fi as a Windows drive
letter all the time - such that batch scripts work fine copying files.
In addition, USB works even better (in that there is much less setup).
Better yet, only Android has portable memory - which Apple has never had.
With portable memory, if you're intelligent enough to realize that each sdcard has a volume label that you can set yourself when formatting, then
you can format your volume label to XXXX-XXXX (or whatever) and if you do that, you can swap out sdcards any time you want and the phone won't even know you did that.
An example I've recently done is I doubled the size of my sdcard.
On Windows:
a. I formatted the *new* sdcard to the same volume label as the old
b. I copied all the old sdcard data to the new sdcard c. I swapped them out
The phone didn't even realize I had done that, where all the data worked perfectly - and yet - I went from 64GB of external sdcard to 128 GB.
By way of contrast, iOS is so brain dead, it can't do anything like that. Apple hates you.
I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
You made a blanket statement about Apple devices. Not iOS.
Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional >> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)...
And yet you claim to be able to access the whole iOS operating system...?
Were you lying?
On 2024-12-30 11:17, Andrew wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote on 30 Dec 2024 12:32:48 GMT :
As I mentioned, a USB cable is just an option. There are others like
Wi-Fi (direct), 'cloud', etc.. What is faster probably depends on the
hardware of both phones and your network. In my case, I used Wi-Fi
(direct).
Frank is correct that with Android & Windows, there are many options.
For example, I connect my Android phone over Wi-Fi as a Windows drive
letter all the time - such that batch scripts work fine copying files.
In addition, USB works even better (in that there is much less setup).
Better yet, only Android has portable memory - which Apple has never had.
With portable memory, if you're intelligent enough to realize that each
sdcard has a volume label that you can set yourself when formatting, then
you can format your volume label to XXXX-XXXX (or whatever) and if you do
that, you can swap out sdcards any time you want and the phone won't even
know you did that.
An example I've recently done is I doubled the size of my sdcard.
On Windows:
a. I formatted the *new* sdcard to the same volume label as the old
b. I copied all the old sdcard data to the new sdcard c. I swapped
them out
The phone didn't even realize I had done that, where all the data worked
perfectly - and yet - I went from 64GB of external sdcard to 128 GB.
By way of contrast, iOS is so brain dead, it can't do anything like that.
Apple hates you.
Apple chose not to provide SDCard functionality.
It doesn't mean they "hate" anyone.
On 12/30/2024 2:24 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-30 11:17, Andrew wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote on 30 Dec 2024 12:32:48 GMT :
As I mentioned, a USB cable is just an option. There are others like >>>> Wi-Fi (direct), 'cloud', etc.. What is faster probably depends on the
hardware of both phones and your network. In my case, I used Wi-Fi
(direct).
Frank is correct that with Android & Windows, there are many options.
For example, I connect my Android phone over Wi-Fi as a Windows drive
letter all the time - such that batch scripts work fine copying files.
In addition, USB works even better (in that there is much less setup).
Better yet, only Android has portable memory - which Apple has never
had.
With portable memory, if you're intelligent enough to realize that each
sdcard has a volume label that you can set yourself when formatting,
then
you can format your volume label to XXXX-XXXX (or whatever) and if
you do
that, you can swap out sdcards any time you want and the phone won't
even
know you did that.
An example I've recently done is I doubled the size of my sdcard.
On Windows:
a. I formatted the *new* sdcard to the same volume label as the old
b. I copied all the old sdcard data to the new sdcard c. I swapped
them out
The phone didn't even realize I had done that, where all the data worked >>> perfectly - and yet - I went from 64GB of external sdcard to 128 GB.
By way of contrast, iOS is so brain dead, it can't do anything like
that.
Apple hates you.
Apple chose not to provide SDCard functionality.
It doesn't mean they "hate" anyone.
DropBox and eMail are easy transfers also
On 30/12/2024 16:47, Alan wrote:
I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client
in more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
So you don't serve companies that use Android phones? You will also
find Linux embedded in many devices, such as TV set top boxes, routers, industrial control systems, etc.
Chris wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 15:20:48 -0000 (UTC) :
Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about
iOS.
You made a blanket statement about Apple devices. Not iOS.
WTF?
These are all mobile device groups - so it's presumed you understand that.
*How to read/write access iOS file systems on Ubuntu/Windows over USB
cable*
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/z_KXY4IHLe0>
The fact you don't realize these are mobile phone groups is your problem.
Not mine.
Stop disputing everything simply because you are ignorant Chris.
It's annoying to have to defend what everyone already knows - except you.
Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding
additional
bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day
holes!)...
And yet you claim to be able to access the whole iOS operating system...?
Jesus Christ, Chris.
You dispute everything simply because you're stupid, Chris.
It's not my fault you're stupid. You can fix that. Read the links provided.
With iFuse, you can access even the internal system files of iOS, Chris.
*Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth*
*over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices*
*(no proprietary software needed)* <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/WqIDiVbawRs/>
Were you lying?
OMG, Chris!
Stop accusing me of "lying" simply because you're stupid, Chris.
Your utter ignorance of everything doesn't constitute me lying, Chris.
It just means you're incredibly stupid. And I'm not.
So we can't converse, mano a mano, until you triple your low IQ first.
Read this before responding please - do not respond until you read it!
*How to copy files both ways anywhere you want to/from iPhone/iPad*
*over USB between Windows & iOS using Linux* <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/Nxyt6qmE7YA/>
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how do
you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:[...]
On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
...
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how >>>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not tried that)
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not >> tried that)
MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends,
so I haven't tried there.
I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
So you don't serve companies that use Android phones? You will also
find Linux embedded in many devices, such as TV set top boxes, routers, industrial control systems, etc.
Apple loves me.
DropBox and eMail are easy transfers also
I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
On 30 Dec 2024 at 16:47:50, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
Linux users don't need constant hand-holding.
David Woolley wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 19:25:41 +0000 :
I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client
in more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
So you don't serve companies that use Android phones? You will also
find Linux embedded in many devices, such as TV set top boxes,
routers, industrial control systems, etc.
Just so you know whom you're dealing with, this Alan Baker Apple troll
(who claims to "support" customers and yet has never even once used Windows or Linux or Android)
had insisted for weeks on end that it's physically
impossible to change any of the headers in a Usenet post - specifically he swore over & over that it's impossible to add a spoofed news client header.
Who is *that* stupid?
He's insisted that simply by owning a BMW he knows everything about it, and yet, he doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer & a beemer
(which, I might add, originated in the UK racing circles).
Who is *that* stupid?
Speaking of racing circles, this Alan Baker moron claims to be an expert in racing such that he claims he "teaches" racing - and yet - he has no idea what curves are called. To him - all curves are exactly the same in all
ways.
On 2024-12-29 19:21, Chris wrote:[...]
Jan K. <[email protected]> wrote:
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know, >> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating it will have.
It is not only phones. I had to replace the battery in my Kobo touch
ebook, and it was difficult.
So yes, I welcome that law a lot.
On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:[...]
On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
...
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.� Especially how >>>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
tried that)
MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends,
so I haven't tried there.
On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good >>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
too long.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
<https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
"terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
force.
Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB
inteface wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of
shit the industry has ever produced.
It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
union
of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
decision
sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
proprietary Lightning port.
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you
know,
what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
Tell us all:
Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have worked out well?
On 2024-12-30 23:04, Bob Martin wrote:
On 30 Dec 2024 at 16:47:50, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
Linux users don't need constant hand-holding.
That's probably true.
Because to be a Linux user, you have to have become more of an expert at maintaining computers rather than using them.
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-29 19:21, Chris wrote:[...]
Jan K. <[email protected]> wrote:
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know, >>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating >>> it will have.
It is not only phones. I had to replace the battery in my Kobo touch
ebook, and it was difficult.
So yes, I welcome that law a lot.
Same here with my wife's Kobo Auro E2 eReader. Battery charge lasted
only for a few days, when *not* used.
Also other devices with internal rechargeable batteries which are not replaceable by the user and often also not - or at least not
economically feasible - by the supplier.
For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetooth
transmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2], etc..
Apparently we're supposed to throw these devices away after only a few years. Not only wasting money, but also wasting precious and limited materials/metals and addiding to electronic waste.
Of course user/easy replaceable batteries would make these devices somewhat larger and somewhat more expensive. But I would like to have
that choice.
[1] This one is already basically dead. Only lasts for a few hours after charging.
[2] Already had to throw away three of those.
For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetoothtransmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
[2] Already had to throw away three of those.
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:[...]
On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
...
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how >>>>>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse >>> makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere. >>>
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
tried that)
MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in
Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends,
so I haven't tried there.
AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
(Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to access
the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a phone. If Linux
can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also work on Linux.
Note however that the PTP protocol is only for pictures ('photos'), so videos are probably not accessible.
BTW, AFAIK, iOS does not support/offer MTP. If it did, there would be
no problem to connect an iPhone/iPad to Windows and all this iTunes c.q. Apple Devices app hoopla would be unneeded for a simple USB connection.
would be unneeded.
On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetoothtransmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
[2] Already had to throw away three of those.
Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing. Again.
On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:[...]
On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
...
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.�
Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
accessed from anywhere.
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
- I've not tried that)
MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
work on Linux.
AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
PTP.
Note however that the PTP protocol is only for pictures
('photos'), so videos are probably not accessible.
BTW, AFAIK, iOS does not support/offer MTP. If it did, there
would be no problem to connect an iPhone/iPad to Windows and all
this iTunes c.q. Apple Devices app hoopla would be unneeded for a
simple USB connection. would be unneeded.
Ah.
Frank is correct that with Android & Windows, there are many options.I wasn't talking about general data transfer to/from android, but the out-of-the-box "wizard" that transfers apps, data and settings from old
Davey <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetoothtransmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
[2] Already had to throw away three of those.
Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing.
Again.
To be fair, Fitbit doesn't call them 'smartwatches', that's why I
used scare quotes, but these devices are also watches - as they tell
the time, have alarms, etc. - and are somwhat 'smart'. AFAIK, there
isn't a clear-cut definition as to what is/isn't a
'smartwatch' (contrary to what is/isn't a 'smartphone').
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good >>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
too long.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force* >>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
"terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into >>>>>> force.
Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface >>>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the >>>>> industry has ever produced.
It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
union
of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
decision
sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
proprietary Lightning port.
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know, >>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry. >>>
Tell us all:
Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have
worked out well?
Domestic airlines is the clearest example. There are plenty others.
On 31 Dec 2024 15:28:03 GMT
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
Davey <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetoothtransmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
[2] Already had to throw away three of those.
Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing.
Again.
To be fair, Fitbit doesn't call them 'smartwatches', that's why I
used scare quotes, but these devices are also watches - as they tell
the time, have alarms, etc. - and are somwhat 'smart'. AFAIK, there
isn't a clear-cut definition as to what is/isn't a
'smartwatch' (contrary to what is/isn't a 'smartphone').
I see 'smartwatches' mainly being used to buy things with, or to
register a loyalty card. Watching somebody with large fingers
'swiping' a 1-inch diameter screen always makes me laugh.
And my scepticism of the 'smart' nomenclature extends to 'smartphones'.
But then, I am a happy Luddite. Just because we can make something,
doesn't mean we have to use it. See: Land-based wind turbines. ULEZ
zones.
Davey <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 31 Dec 2024 15:28:03 GMT
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
Davey <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetoothtransmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
[2] Already had to throw away three of those.
Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing.
Again.
To be fair, Fitbit doesn't call them 'smartwatches', that's why I
used scare quotes, but these devices are also watches - as they tell
the time, have alarms, etc. - and are somwhat 'smart'. AFAIK, there
isn't a clear-cut definition as to what is/isn't a
'smartwatch' (contrary to what is/isn't a 'smartphone').
I see 'smartwatches' mainly being used to buy things with, or to
register a loyalty card. Watching somebody with large fingers
'swiping' a 1-inch diameter screen always makes me laugh.
Exactly, that's what you *see*. What you don't see, is their
'invisible' uses, Not 'defending' smartwatches in any way, but only
objecting to judging things by what one sees.
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
[...]On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
...
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your >>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
accessed from anywhere.
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
- I've not tried that)
MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
(Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
work on Linux.
AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
PTP.
That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
[...]On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
...
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your >>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
accessed from anywhere.
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
- I've not tried that)
MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
(Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
work on Linux.
AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
PTP.
That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
never do.
On 2024-12-31 20:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Davey <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 31 Dec 2024 15:28:03 GMT
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
Davey <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetoothtransmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
[2] Already had to throw away three of those.
Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing.
Again.
To be fair, Fitbit doesn't call them 'smartwatches', that's why I
used scare quotes, but these devices are also watches - as they tell
the time, have alarms, etc. - and are somwhat 'smart'. AFAIK, there
isn't a clear-cut definition as to what is/isn't a
'smartwatch' (contrary to what is/isn't a 'smartphone').
I see 'smartwatches' mainly being used to buy things with, or to
register a loyalty card. Watching somebody with large fingers
'swiping' a 1-inch diameter screen always makes me laugh.
Exactly, that's what you *see*. What you don't see, is their
'invisible' uses, Not 'defending' smartwatches in any way, but only objecting to judging things by what one sees.
Years ago, I said I would never wear a smartwatch. Yet here I am, the
happy user of one :-)
The first one very cheap, the second one a better choice, more
expensive, and works much better.
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
[...]On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
...
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your >>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), >>>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
accessed from anywhere.
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver >>>>>>> - I've not tried that)
MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP >>>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also >>>>> work on Linux.
AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
PTP.
That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
never do.
Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a *test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as well.
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
And my scepticism of the 'smart' nomenclature extends to 'smartphones'.
But then, I am a happy Luddite. Just because we can make something,
doesn't mean we have to use it. See: Land-based wind turbines. ULEZ
zones.
As to the last two (well, mainly the first one of the two), fully
agreed. Don't get me started! :-(
Do you prefer to see the world burn...?
On 2024-12-31 22:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
[...]On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
...
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your >>>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), >>>>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
accessed from anywhere.
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver >>>>>>>> - I've not tried that)
MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP >>>>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on >>>>>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also >>>>>> work on Linux.
AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only >>>>> PTP.
That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in >>>> PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
never do.
Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a
*test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as
well.
I just by chance tried it minutes ago, and of course it worked.
"Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> Wrote in message:
On 2024-12-31 22:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
[...]On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:...
On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) : >>>>>>>>>>
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
'Import to your Windows PC
Done!
How about Linux? Just curious.
https://libimobiledevice.org/
which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), >>>>>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be >>>>>>>>> accessed from anywhere.
(it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver >>>>>>>>> - I've not tried that)
MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP >>>>>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to >>>>>>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on >>>>>>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a >>>>>>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also >>>>>>> work on Linux.
AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only >>>>>> PTP.
That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in >>>>> PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in >>>>> the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP >>>>> mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
never do.
Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a >>> *test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as >>> well.
I just by chance tried it minutes ago, and of course it worked.
FWIW if I connect my iPhone (8) to Linux (SuSE) it mounts DCIM
as a gvfs filesystem under gvfsd-fuse. In thunar it appears as a
gphoto2: URL. So I see images and videos taken by the camera.
Unlike with Android, that's all I can access.
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-12-31 07:58, Chris wrote:
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good >>>>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for >>>>>>>> too long.
*EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force* >>>>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating- >>>>>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
"terrified" of
interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into >>>>>>>> force.
Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface >>>>>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the >>>>>>> industry has ever produced.
It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major >>>>>> union
of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the >>>>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
decision
sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit. >>>>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their >>>>>> proprietary Lightning port.
Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry. >>>>>
Tell us all:
Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have >>>> worked out well?
Domestic airlines is the clearest example. There are plenty others.
In what world have domestic airlines worked out well for the consumer;
what country?
I mean, not dying is quite an important benefit for the consumer.
Regulation has created the safest form of transport in the world.
Frank is correct that with Android & Windows, there are many options.I wasn't talking about general data transfer to/from android, but the out-of-the-box "wizard" that transfers apps, data and settings from old
phone to new phone, which is a slick process.
Here's a table of 2023 wind power generation per capita (i.e., per person).
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/wind-electricity-per-capita>
Netherlands = 1644KWh
USA = 1251KWh
China = 621KWh
In 2023, the Netherlands produced about 1-1/3rd more power from wind (per capita) than the USA did, per capita.
So yes, I welcome that law a lot.
I agree with other devices there are benefits. Particularly, the smaller things like earpods or smartwatches. I don't understand why people accept spending hundreds on essentially disposable products.
False dilemma. And note that Davey/it says "Land-based". We (The Netherlands) are a (very) small country and have one of the largest - if
not the largest - conglomerate of at-sea windfarms and justifiably so
(i.e. the lesser of the evils). As to land-based wind turbines, as I
said, don't get me started. Proponents have no clue (read: don't want to hear) about all the negatives, and no, I do *not* mean 'just' horizon pollution and audible sound.
Chris wrote on Tue, 31 Dec 2024 15:37:20 -0000 (UTC) :
So yes, I welcome that law a lot.
I agree with other devices there are benefits. Particularly, the smaller
things like earpods or smartwatches. I don't understand why people accept
spending hundreds on essentially disposable products.
There's a reason EU regulations forbid Apple selling any new iPhones prior
to the iPhone 15 in Europe (because of Apple's cheap iPhone batteries).
While almost every major Android brand easily proved to be *double* the minimum battery life specified by the EU regulations, these latest iPhones *barely* squeak by (which shows, as usual, how much *Apple hates you*).
Chris wrote on Tue, 31 Dec 2024 15:37:20 -0000 (UTC) :
So yes, I welcome that law a lot.
I agree with other devices there are benefits. Particularly, the smaller
things like earpods or smartwatches. I don't understand why people accept
spending hundreds on essentially disposable products.
There's a reason EU regulations forbid Apple selling any new iPhones prior
to the iPhone 15 in Europe (because of Apple's cheap iPhone batteries).
While almost every major Android brand easily proved to be *double* the minimum battery life specified by the EU regulations, these latest iPhones *barely* squeak by (which shows, as usual, how much *Apple hates you*).
Apple has no intention of allowing the consumer the luxury of long device life without having to replace the battery just to keep the iPhone alive.
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
And my scepticism of the 'smart' nomenclature extends to
'smartphones'. But then, I am a happy Luddite. Just because we
can make something, doesn't mean we have to use it. See:
Land-based wind turbines. ULEZ zones.
As to the last two (well, mainly the first one of the two), fully
agreed. Don't get me started! :-(
Do you prefer to see the world burn...?
False dilemma. And note that Davey/it says "Land-based". We (The Netherlands) are a (very) small country and have one of the largest
- if not the largest - conglomerate of at-sea windfarms and
justifiably so (i.e. the lesser of the evils). As to land-based
wind turbines, as I said, don't get me started. Proponents have no
clue (read: don't want to hear) about all the negatives, and no, I
do *not* mean 'just' horizon pollution and audible sound.
EOD.
Shame. Would have liked to hear all your negatives. I have no issues
with them and being in Scotland we have a lot of off-share and
on-shore windfarms.
You don't mention your reservations on ULEZ, but again in Scotland
all the main cities have them.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:32:47 -0000 (UTC)
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
And my scepticism of the 'smart' nomenclature extends to
'smartphones'. But then, I am a happy Luddite. Just because we
can make something, doesn't mean we have to use it. See:
Land-based wind turbines. ULEZ zones.
As to the last two (well, mainly the first one of the two), fully
agreed. Don't get me started! :-(
Do you prefer to see the world burn...?
False dilemma. And note that Davey/it says "Land-based". We (The
Netherlands) are a (very) small country and have one of the largest
- if not the largest - conglomerate of at-sea windfarms and
justifiably so (i.e. the lesser of the evils). As to land-based
wind turbines, as I said, don't get me started. Proponents have no
clue (read: don't want to hear) about all the negatives, and no, I
do *not* mean 'just' horizon pollution and audible sound.
EOD.
Shame. Would have liked to hear all your negatives. I have no issues
with them and being in Scotland we have a lot of off-share and
on-shore windfarms.
You don't mention your reservations on ULEZ, but again in Scotland
all the main cities have them.
For us Southerners, the main issue with ULEZ is the way that Sadiq Kahn >imposed it on a huge area of London which did not need them, and
against all advice and the public's desire.
As with land-based windfarms, the differences in geography between
Scotland and the Home Counties mean that one size does not fit all.
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 00:18:43 +0000, Davey <[email protected]d>
wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:32:47 -0000 (UTC)
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
And my scepticism of the 'smart' nomenclature extends to
'smartphones'. But then, I am a happy Luddite. Just because we
can make something, doesn't mean we have to use it. See:
Land-based wind turbines. ULEZ zones.
As to the last two (well, mainly the first one of the two),
fully agreed. Don't get me started! :-(
Do you prefer to see the world burn...?
False dilemma. And note that Davey/it says "Land-based". We
(The Netherlands) are a (very) small country and have one of the
largest
- if not the largest - conglomerate of at-sea windfarms and
justifiably so (i.e. the lesser of the evils). As to land-based
wind turbines, as I said, don't get me started. Proponents have
no clue (read: don't want to hear) about all the negatives, and
no, I do *not* mean 'just' horizon pollution and audible sound.
EOD.
Shame. Would have liked to hear all your negatives. I have no
issues with them and being in Scotland we have a lot of off-share
and on-shore windfarms.
You don't mention your reservations on ULEZ, but again in Scotland
all the main cities have them.
For us Southerners, the main issue with ULEZ is the way that Sadiq
Kahn imposed it on a huge area of London which did not need them, and >against all advice and the public's desire.
As with land-based windfarms, the differences in geography between
Scotland and the Home Counties mean that one size does not fit all.
I think you'll find it was Johnson who imposed it in the central area.
It was always going to be extended but Khan extended it ahead of
schedule on the orders of Grant Shapps.
Still, if you think it was Khan then I suppose Shapp's plan worked.
For us Southerners, the main issue with ULEZ is the way that Sadiq
Kahn imposed it on a huge area of London which did not need them, and
against all advice and the public's desire.
As with land-based windfarms, the differences in geography between
Scotland and the Home Counties mean that one size does not fit all.
I think you'll find it was Johnson who imposed it in the central area.
It was always going to be extended but Khan extended it ahead of
schedule on the orders of Grant Shapps.
Still, if you think it was Khan then I suppose Shapp's plan worked.
Whatever its origins, Khan was very happy to take the 'credit' for it.
I entered "Did Grant Shapps order the expansion of the London ULEZ?"
into a search engine, and it came up with lots of contradictory
evidence, both confirming and denying that Grant Shapps was
ultimately responsible.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.
Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
So yes, I welcome that law a lot.
Same here with my wife's Kobo Auro E2 eReader. Battery charge lasted
only for a few days, when *not* used.
Also other devices with internal rechargeable batteries which are not replaceable by the user and often also not - or at least not
economically feasible - by the supplier.
For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetooth
transmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2], etc..
Apparently we're supposed to throw these devices away after only a few years. Not only wasting money, but also wasting precious and limited materials/metals and addiding to electronic waste.
Of course user/easy replaceable batteries would make these devices somewhat larger and somewhat more expensive. But I would like to have
that choice.
[1] This one is already basically dead. Only lasts for a few hours after charging.
[2] Already had to throw away three of those.
That's why I trust my 30+ year-old swiss watch more. It'll keep working for several decades more and will likely appreciate in value as well.
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