Google Pixel 8a, Android 14
In the settings for the default Phone app, I clicked "Call Screen ".
That took me to a screen headed "Call Screen", as expected, but about
the top third of the screen is now taken up by a white window with an
orange bar containing the text "downloading en-US". The setting for "Automatically screen calls" is grayed out, as are its sub-settings
"Maximum protection", "Medium protection", and "Basic protection".
It's been like that for an hour so far.
I assume it's downloading some sort of language pack, but should that
be taking so long? If not, any suggestions for troubleshooting?
(I did try googling, but the search terms I could think of didn't
lead anywhere useful.)
Stan Brown wrote:
Google Pixel 8a, Android 14
Not 15?
Yup, there's an update to Android 15
pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
Stan Brown wrote:
Yup, there's an update to Android 15
pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
No such thing on my "pure Android" Pixel 6 Pro which leads me to believe
that the option is something that Samsung added for their devices."
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
Yup, there's an update to Android 15
pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before? Samsungs got that
(in Samsung's case 85%) with Android 12 in April 2022.
But indeed, my archive for this group has a post mine of June 14 2022,
refering a post from John McGaw (<iyNpK.140772$[email protected]>)
saying:
No such thing on my "pure Android" Pixel 6 Pro which leads me to believe
that the option is something that Samsung added for their devices."
On 12/6/24 11:34 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
Yup, there's an update to Android 15
pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before? Samsungs got that
(in Samsung's case 85%) with Android 12 in April 2022.
But indeed, my archive for this group has a post mine of June 14 2022,
refering a post from John McGaw (<iyNpK.140772$[email protected]>) >saying:
No such thing on my "pure Android" Pixel 6 Pro which leads me to believe >> that the option is something that Samsung added for their devices."
The capability may be overrated. I've always charged my Samsung Galaxy S10+
to 100% and it just passed 5 years with no 'noticeable' battery degradation
for 'my' use. A survey of one of course and as always YMMV...
Andy Burns wrote:
You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before?
AJL <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12/6/24 11:34 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
Yup, there's an update to Android 15
pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before? Samsungs got that
(in Samsung's case 85%) with Android 12 in April 2022.
But indeed, my archive for this group has a post mine of June 14 2022,
refering a post from John McGaw (<iyNpK.140772$[email protected]>)
saying:
No such thing on my "pure Android" Pixel 6 Pro which leads me to believe >> >> that the option is something that Samsung added for their devices."
The capability may be overrated. I've always charged my Samsung Galaxy S10+ >> to 100% and it just passed 5 years with no 'noticeable' battery degradation >> for 'my' use. A survey of one of course and as always YMMV...
After having ruined, or seen ruined, my share of batteries (mostly
laptop and several small 'gadgets'), I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Our
Samsung Galaxy A51 phones are a bit over 4 years old and we hope to have
some more years life in them. But, as you say, a survey of one and a
sample of only a few, so YMMV/YMWV.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before?
That's right, before now they either had charge fast to 100%
or charge slow to 100% in time for your morning alarm, now they can stop
at 80% as a third option.
System » Software updates said "your Pixel is up to date".
I don't really understand the structure of Android updates or where
to search for them manually and how to apply one that I want.
Stan Brown wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
That's right, before now they either had charge fast to 100%
or charge slow to 100% in time for your morning alarm, now they can stop >> at 80% as a third option.
Where is that in Settings?
settings, battery, charge optimisation
I _am_ on Android 15 now, but I don't see the setting for stopping
charging at 80%. I did Settings searches for "charge" and "charging"
but the few hits didn't include that.
Hmm ... I googled after writing that paragraph, and it looks like the
80% is not an option but a limit on all Android 15 Pixel 8a phones
(and, I assume, a list of other models).
You did say you have an 8a, right?
Given you were over a month "late" getting android 15, have you tried checking for another upgrade to get the december feature drop version (AP4A.241205.013)
AJL <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12/6/24 11:34 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
Stan Brown wrote:
Yup, there's an update to Android 15
pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before? Samsungs got that
(in Samsung's case 85%) with Android 12 in April 2022.
But indeed, my archive for this group has a post mine of June 14 2022,
refering a post from John McGaw (<iyNpK.140772$[email protected]>)
saying:
No such thing on my "pure Android" Pixel 6 Pro which leads me to believe >> >> that the option is something that Samsung added for their devices."
The capability may be overrated. I've always charged my Samsung Galaxy S10+ >> to 100% and it just passed 5 years with no 'noticeable' battery degradation >> for 'my' use. A survey of one of course and as always YMMV...
After having ruined, or seen ruined, my share of batteries (mostly
laptop and several small 'gadgets'), I'd rather be safe than sorry. Our >Samsung Galaxy A51 phones are a bit over 4 years old and we hope to have
some more years life in them. But, as you say, a survey of one and a
sample of only a few, so YMMV/YMWV.
No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView,
I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it
didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery
wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for
sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at
100% battery health of that 80%.
**Hmmm. Oops, I guess this is the opposite issue of only charging to
80%.
Andy Burns wrote:
That's right, before now they either had charge fast to 100%
or charge slow to 100% in time for your morning alarm, now they can stop
at 80% as a third option.
Where is that in Settings?
I _am_ on Android 15 now, but I don't see the setting for stopping
charging at 80%. I did Settings searches for "charge" and "charging"
but the few hits didn't include that.
Hmm ... I googled after writing that paragraph, and it looks like the
80% is not an option but a limit on all Android 15 Pixel 8a phones
(and, I assume, a list of other models).
After having ruined, or seen ruined, my share of batteries (mostly
laptop and several small 'gadgets'), I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Like Micky my LTs all stay plugged in most of the time, often even when
using them. So I guess I wouldn't notice a battery problem until the
software complained. As long as one holds a charge through a long crap I'm happy.
micky <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the
battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't
notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView,
I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it
didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery
wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for
sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at
100% battery health of that 80%.
Note that, as I've mentioned before, general purpose utilities like
BatteryInfoView don't tell the truth (read: cannot tell the truth). So
always try to also use a utility from the manufacturer of the laptop.
For example, for my laptop, BatteryInfoView says:
"Full Charged Capacity 38,397 mWh
Designed Capacity 38,397 mWh
Battery Health 100.0%"
So I might think "Great, still 100% of designed capacity!", but that
can't be, because the laptop is 2 years and 3 months old.
And indeed, it can't be correct, because the official specs say "41
Wh", so it's 93.7% of designed capacity, not 100%. Not bad, but not
100%.
Now if I run the "HP Battery Check" utility, i.e. the utility which
came with the laptop and is designed for the laptop, it says:
"Design Capacity: 41 WHr
Full Charge Capacity: 38 WHr (93%)"
So it gives the same Full Charge Capacity as BatteryInfoView (rounded
down to the nearest integer), but gives the *real* Design Capacity of 41
WHr, instead of the fake/wrong one which BatteryInfoView gave and the
correct battery health of 93%.
Moral: I use both BatteryInfoView *and* the HP Battery Check utility.
BatteryInfoView gives me more information - for example the Battery Log
over time -, but the limited information which the HP Battery Check
utility gives, is more_reliable/correct.
**Hmmm. Oops, I guess this is the opposite issue of only charging to
80%.
Stan Brown wrote:
System�� Software updates said "your Pixel is up to date".
Sometimes it lies, then if you do "Check for update" it acts surprised
and admits there is an update after all.
I don't really understand the structure of Android updates or where
to search for them manually and how to apply one that I want.
In comp.mobile.android, on 7 Dec 2024 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:
micky <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the >> battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't
notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView,
I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it
didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery
wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for
sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at
100% battery health of that 80%.
Note that, as I've mentioned before, general purpose utilities like
BatteryInfoView don't tell the truth (read: cannot tell the truth). So >always try to also use a utility from the manufacturer of the laptop.
Checking, I see that Acer does have a way to check, so I ran it, and it
wrote a file, and going to see the file, I saw another similar file from
last June. I see that I also did this last June, probably to decide if
I needed a new battery. Who remembers these things. But I did need one.
My old battery had gone from
Battery capacity history
PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY
2021-03-18 - 2021-03-30 34,425 mWh 37,000 mWh
to (with many readings in between)
2024-06-18 25,500 mWh 37,000 mWh
I might have gotten the laptop at that first data, 3/18/21. It seems
longer but that the trip I know I took it on. So I only had it 3.5
years. It seems longer.
micky <[email protected]> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on 7 Dec 2024 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<[email protected]d> wrote:
micky <[email protected]> wrote:
[...]
No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the >> >> battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't >> >> notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView,
I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it
didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery
wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for
sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at
100% battery health of that 80%.
Note that, as I've mentioned before, general purpose utilities like
BatteryInfoView don't tell the truth (read: cannot tell the truth). So
always try to also use a utility from the manufacturer of the laptop.
Checking, I see that Acer does have a way to check, so I ran it, and it
wrote a file, and going to see the file, I saw another similar file from
last June. I see that I also did this last June, probably to decide if
I needed a new battery. Who remembers these things. But I did need one.
My old battery had gone from
Battery capacity history
PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY
2021-03-18 - 2021-03-30 34,425 mWh 37,000 mWh
to (with many readings in between)
2024-06-18 25,500 mWh 37,000 mWh
If that is from the battery-report.html file generated by 'powercfg
/batteryreport',
then that's a general Windows utility, not an
Acer-specific one.
OTOH, it reports a nice round number for 'DESIGN CAPACITY', so I think
that is indeed the documented design capacity, instead of a calculated/ >'fabricated' one.
Can you give us the name of the utility which you used?
I might have gotten the laptop at that first data, 3/18/21. It seems
longer but that the trip I know I took it on. So I only had it 3.5
years. It seems longer.
[...]
Stan Brown wrote:
System�� Software updates said "your Pixel is up to date".
Sometimes it lies, then if you do "Check for update" it acts surprised
and admits there is an update after all.
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 18:11:31 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
Sometimes it lies, then if you do "Check for update" it acts surprised
and admits there is an update after all.
Thanks for the tip. This was one of those times, but I would never
have guessed without your prompt.
It's a 774 MB feature update, in progress now, and I'll bet dollars
to donuts it contains the battery 80% setting.
In comp.mobile.android, on 8 Dec 2024 10:10:50 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:[...]
micky <[email protected]> wrote:
Checking, I see that Acer does have a way to check, so I ran it, and it
wrote a file, and going to see the file, I saw another similar file from >> last June. I see that I also did this last June, probably to decide if
I needed a new battery. Who remembers these things. But I did need one. >> My old battery had gone from
Battery capacity history
PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY
2021-03-18 - 2021-03-30 34,425 mWh 37,000 mWh
to (with many readings in between)
2024-06-18 25,500 mWh 37,000 mWh
If that is from the battery-report.html file generated by 'powercfg
/batteryreport',
Yes,
This reminds me of another question. When I got the new battery for the Acer, there were instructions on discharging it a long way and
recharging, a couple times, to calibrate how much was in it. I couldn't
bear to do that because I think it harms the battery, but more
important, it seemed like there was no point silnce I leave it plugged
in 95% of the time. So there is no point to my calibrating it, right?
I do use the battery when maybe I take it to the other room (where I immediately plug it in), or when there's a power failure, for the whole neihborhood or because I kick the plug for the charger, to shut down
without losing data. And I have software for an earlier XP laptop to
adjust settings in the car, but it turned out for my car, a 2005 toyota, there were no settings of interest to me. I wanted the remote to unlock
both doors without have to push it twice and one other thing I don't
even remember. Those options are available on newer cars but not mine.
I used the laptop battery for that, but it only took 15 minutes.
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