• Re: Upgrade and pay more for less

    From R.Wieser@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 3 14:14:27 2024
    Steve,

    What are the people who say "download the app" thinking?

    More money in their koffers thru a sale (and monthy payments for an abbonement?) and thru the selling of your personal data they leech from your phone ? :-) :-(

    2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
    when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
    suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. .

    Isn't there a way to disable all that nagging ? (downside: at some moment
    you might get a "I can't do that, dave" response).


    All-in-all, buying a new, bigger phone just to get rid of the nagging ?
    Thats a high price for it (assuming you don't really need more apps and your phone does everything you want from it).

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 3 15:00:05 2024
    I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.

    Specs here:
    <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
    that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less.

    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)

    2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
    when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
    suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. .

    But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
    storage space than the one I already have.

    What are the people who say "download the app" thinking?


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Dec 3 14:45:55 2024
    On 2024-12-03 14:20, Andy Burns wrote:
    Steve Hayes wrote:

    I'll end up paying [more] for less.
    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
    2. To have more storage

    I realise you live in a different part of the world, but are they really selling phones with 16GB or less of storage there?  I'd say most phones
    here are 128GB or 256GB, do you use an SD card?

    And of course with a higher pixel camera, photos will eat storage faster.

    And use more data when sending, eat more quota on the cloud, etc.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Tue Dec 3 13:57:56 2024
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.

    Specs here: <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
    that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less.

    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)

    2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
    when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
    suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. .

    But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
    storage space than the one I already have.

    What are the people who say "download the app" thinking?

    As Andy mentioned, 16GB Internal Storage is indeed very/too small
    these days. And while a (Micro) SD-card helps somewhat, most apps can
    not be moved to the SD-card or at best only partially. Sometimes even
    the apps' data can not be moved to the SD-card.

    I have an old Samsung 10.1" tablet (with Android 5.0.2) also with
    16GB (and SD-card), so I know where you're coming from.

    As to getting a new phone from your "service provider". I would never
    do that. I would just buy the phone and have a SIM-only contract or
    pre-paid. Or don't you have those options in your country (SA?)?

    As to which phone: As you have experience with a Samsung phone, I
    would go for one of their A-Series phones which 1) you can afford and 2)
    has 'plenty' of Internal Storage, 128GB or more, and preferably also a
    SD-card slot.

    FYI, my current phone is a four year old Samsung Galaxy A51 phone with
    128GB (of which 58GB still available), dual-SIM and SD-card slot.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Tue Dec 3 13:20:41 2024
    Steve Hayes wrote:

    I'll end up paying [more] for less.
    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
    2. To have more storage

    I realise you live in a different part of the world, but are they really selling phones with 16GB or less of storage there? I'd say most phones
    here are 128GB or 256GB, do you use an SD card?

    And of course with a higher pixel camera, photos will eat storage faster.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Tue Dec 3 14:09:18 2024
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    while a (Micro) SD-card helps somewhat, most apps can
    not be moved to the SD-card or at best only partially. Sometimes even
    the apps' data can not be moved to the SD-card.

    Don't most android phones allow SD cards to be used as "adoptable
    storage"? If so, that acts like an extension of internal storage, I
    don't know because Google hasn't supported SD cards in Nexus/Pixel
    phones for many years ...

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Tue Dec 3 15:21:06 2024
    On 2024-12-03 14:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:

    ...

    As to getting a new phone from your "service provider". I would never
    do that. I would just buy the phone and have a SIM-only contract or
    pre-paid. Or don't you have those options in your country (SA?)?

    In Canada (Ontario), for instance, this is hard to do. Nearly impossible
    to buy "free phones", not attached to a contract, at a normal site like
    the phone section of a supermarket. Amazon sells them.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Tue Dec 3 16:08:16 2024
    Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 2024-12-03 14:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:

    ...

    As to getting a new phone from your "service provider". I would never
    do that. I would just buy the phone and have a SIM-only contract or pre-paid. Or don't you have those options in your country (SA?)?

    In Canada (Ontario), for instance, this is hard to do. Nearly impossible
    to buy "free phones", not attached to a contract, at a normal site like
    the phone section of a supermarket. Amazon sells them.

    Well, I don't expect unlocked phones at a supermarket, but I expect
    them at a phone store or electronics store. A little Google search
    indicates that that is the case, also in Ontario.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Dec 3 16:14:03 2024
    Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    while a (Micro) SD-card helps somewhat, most apps can
    not be moved to the SD-card or at best only partially. Sometimes even
    the apps' data can not be moved to the SD-card.

    Don't most android phones allow SD cards to be used as "adoptable
    storage"? If so, that acts like an extension of internal storage, I
    don't know because Google hasn't supported SD cards in Nexus/Pixel
    phones for many years ...

    Good point! My old phones were Android 4/5, which didn't have
    adoptable storage, and my current phone has ample storage (128GB), so
    I've never tried it, but according to his referenced specs, the OP's
    phone has Android 8.1 (Oreo), so he should have adoptable storage
    functionality and could try it.

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  • From Boris@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Tue Dec 3 17:41:31 2024
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.

    Specs here: <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
    that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less.

    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)

    2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
    when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
    suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. .

    But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
    storage space than the one I already have.

    What are the people who say "download the app" thinking?



    Here's an unlocked Samsung A25-5G phone, 128 GB, dual nano-SIM, or single nano-SIM with micro-SD. Very nice camera. $250 U.S.

    https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-a25/buy/galaxy-a25-5g-128gb- unlocked-sm-a256uzkdxaa/

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Tue Dec 3 20:00:19 2024
    On 2024-12-03 17:08, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 2024-12-03 14:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:

    ...

    As to getting a new phone from your "service provider". I would never >>> do that. I would just buy the phone and have a SIM-only contract or
    pre-paid. Or don't you have those options in your country (SA?)?

    In Canada (Ontario), for instance, this is hard to do. Nearly impossible
    to buy "free phones", not attached to a contract, at a normal site like
    the phone section of a supermarket. Amazon sells them.

    Well, I don't expect unlocked phones at a supermarket, but I expect
    them at a phone store or electronics store. A little Google search
    indicates that that is the case, also in Ontario.

    I failed to find them. Very few models.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Tue Dec 3 15:57:00 2024
    On 12/3/2024 8:00 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:

    What are the people who say "download the app" thinking?

    I see that constantly on my local TV news. "Download the app to
    get constant weather updates." What they're thinking is that if you
    download the app they can spy on you, sell that data, maybe
    show you targetted ads. If you just watch TV news they know
    nothing about you.

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 04:29:19 2024
    On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:39:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.

    Specs here:
    <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
    that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less.

    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)

    2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
    when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
    suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. .

    But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
    storage space than the one I already have.

    How do you work that out? Your phone has a maximum of 16GB of storage
    (excl. any SD card). I doubt there any new phone with that little storage >these days. 64GB is more typical at the low end.

    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
    the 16GB in the phone I have.





    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 04:22:06 2024
    On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 13:20:41 +0000, Andy Burns <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes wrote:

    I'll end up paying [more] for less.
    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
    2. To have more storage

    I realise you live in a different part of the world, but are they really >selling phones with 16GB or less of storage there? I'd say most phones
    here are 128GB or 256GB, do you use an SD card?

    My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
    SD card.

    It keeps telling me that it's getting full.

    I'm offered an "upgrade" of a phone with 4GB of storage for 2.5 times
    the price.

    Banks and retailers keep telling me to download and use their app.

    Every shop in the mall has its own app.

    My question reaslly is how many people can afford a phone that is big
    enough for all these apps? How many of their customers can do so? How
    many banking or retailer apps do you have on your phone, and how big
    is the storage on your pho0ne to hold them all?









    And of course with a higher pixel camera, photos will eat storage faster.

    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 4 04:31:58 2024
    On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:41:31 -0000 (UTC), Boris <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote in >news:[email protected]:

    I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.

    Specs here:
    <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
    that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less.

    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)

    2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
    when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
    suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. .

    But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
    storage space than the one I already have.

    What are the people who say "download the app" thinking?



    Here's an unlocked Samsung A25-5G phone, 128 GB, dual nano-SIM, or single >nano-SIM with micro-SD. Very nice camera. $250 U.S.

    https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-a25/buy/galaxy-a25-5g-128gb- >unlocked-sm-a256uzkdxaa/

    That's about 3x what I can afford.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Wed Dec 4 04:07:23 2024
    Steve Hayes wrote on Wed, 04 Dec 2024 04:22:06 +0200 :

    My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
    SD card.

    My phones are all free but it has been a while since I've seen anyone
    around me with less than about 64GB of internal storage, and with the sd
    card, the portable memory can be as much or double that for almost nothing.

    As far as I'm aware, the camera eats up most of the storage, but I haven't
    seen a camera app in many years that doesn't automatically save to external sdcards.

    What takes up the rest of the storage?

    Well, map apps have relatively large databases (which can also be stored on
    the external sd card), as do video downloaders (e.g., NewPipe).

    Also I have my Google Play Store replacement app save every APK ever
    installed on the external sdcard, so that takes up a lot of storage space.

    In fact, while I've lived with 64GB of external storage for a couple of
    years on my free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G, I recently replaced it with a 128GB external sd card (I forget how much it cost, but it was like ten bucks or
    so) and everything went *perfectly* smoothly.

    Yup. I just looked. About ten bucks for 128GB (three for 32 bucks).
    <https://www.amazon.com/Lexar-128GB-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B0CB11S919>

    Of course, I plan years ahead by formatting every external sd card on
    Windows with the same volume label so the phone doesn't realize it's a different external sd card.

    The phone sees *exactly* the same files on the new (doubled-size) external
    sd card as on the old (half-sized) external sd card - but with more space.

    My suggestion to the OP?

    1. On Windows, look at what your 16GB external sd card volume label is
    2. Buy a bigger sd card & set the volume label to exactly the same name
    3. On Windows copy the files from the old sd card to the new sd card

    That should vastly increase your external storage for only a few bucks.
    <https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Basics-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B08TJRVWV1/>

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Wed Dec 4 05:25:38 2024
    Steve Hayes wrote:

    Banks and retailers keep telling me to download and use their app.
    Every shop in the mall has its own app.

    For my main personal bank account I use their app, all other banks I
    only access from a browser on a PC.

    I have loyalty cards for three supermarkets I mainly use (to avoid being
    milked for "full" price) but I don't install their apps, I keep a scan
    of the cards barcodes on the phone, in case I don't have the plastic cards/wallet with me, but I use other shops who don't push use of
    cards/apps too.

    I have yet to install even one parking app when everyone seem to
    complain about having to install a dozen of them, if they don't accept
    coins or debit cards, tough on them.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Wed Dec 4 05:51:23 2024
    Steve Hayes wrote:

    Boris wrote:

    Here's an unlocked Samsung A25-5G phone, 128 GB, dual nano-SIM, or single
    nano-SIM with micro-SD. Very nice camera. $250 U.S.

    That's about 3x what I can afford.
    It's not good that you have a choice of one phone with 128GB for under
    R1500, I suppose it's better than a choice of zero ...

    <https://www.bobshop.co.za/brand-new-mobicel-x9-4gb-128gb-50mp-camera-r1460/p/631201657>

    You could get 64GB for about R1000, but I see the weasel words "4GB RAM extended" which I think means 2GB of real memory plus 2GB of fake memory?

    <https://www.takealot.com/hisense-e34-64gb-lte-dual-sim-black/PLID95955510>

    I don't claim to know the equivalent spending power of R vs $ vs £, but
    it seems the real choice begins at R2000

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Wed Dec 4 07:21:10 2024
    On 04.12.24 03:29, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:39:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.

    Specs here:
    <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
    that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less.

    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)

    2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
    when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
    suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. .

    But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
    storage space than the one I already have.

    How do you work that out? Your phone has a maximum of 16GB of storage
    (excl. any SD card). I doubt there any new phone with that little storage
    these days. 64GB is more typical at the low end.

    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
    the 16GB in the phone I have.

    I have serious doubts that there are smartphones offered with 4 GB main storage.


    --
    "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Wed Dec 4 07:19:01 2024
    On 04.12.24 03:22, Steve Hayes wrote:
    Banks and retailers keep telling me to download and use their app.

    Every shop in the mall has its own app.

    My question reaslly is how many people can afford a phone that is big
    enough for all these apps? How many of their customers can do so? How
    many banking or retailer apps do you have on your phone, and how big
    is the storage on your pho0ne to hold them all?

    You should learn to say no. It would make your life a lot easier.
    I think that your photos and other data are eating up your storage and
    less the apps. A standard mid-range smartphone can handle that. 16 GB
    were standard about 8-10 years ago when I bought my Nexus 5 (2016).

    --
    "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Wed Dec 4 07:22:53 2024
    On 04.12.24 03:29, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:39:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.

    Specs here:
    <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
    that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less.

    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)

    2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
    when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
    suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. .

    But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
    storage space than the one I already have.

    How do you work that out? Your phone has a maximum of 16GB of storage
    (excl. any SD card). I doubt there any new phone with that little storage
    these days. 64GB is more typical at the low end.

    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
    the 16GB in the phone I have.

    I suggest that you start the big clean up.
    Uninstall all apps you did not use the last 12 months or so.



    --
    "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Wed Dec 4 10:08:28 2024
    On 04.12.24 09:08, Chris Green wrote:
    Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 04.12.24 03:29, Steve Hayes wrote:
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
    the 16GB in the phone I have.

    I have serious doubts that there are smartphones offered with 4 GB main
    storage.

    We're not confusing main memory with storage space are we by any chance?

    E.g. a current Samsung A15 model has 128Gb of **storage** and 4Gb of **memory**. (That's one priced at £149 here in the UK)

    I think I don't but perhaps the OP.

    --
    "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Dec 4 08:08:45 2024
    Jörg Lorenz <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 04.12.24 03:29, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:39:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    I have a Samsung SM-A260F phone, and I've had it for 5 years now.

    Specs here:
    <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    My service provider keeps nagging me to "upgrade" but it seems to me
    that if I do so, I'll end up paying for for less.

    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)

    2. To have more storage for all the nagging to "download the app now"
    when my phone keeps telling me "your phone is getting full" and
    suggesting that I zip the app, rarther than download mre apps. .

    But every phone in the catalogue that I can afford seems to have less
    storage space than the one I already have.

    How do you work that out? Your phone has a maximum of 16GB of storage
    (excl. any SD card). I doubt there any new phone with that little storage >> these days. 64GB is more typical at the low end.

    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
    the 16GB in the phone I have.

    I have serious doubts that there are smartphones offered with 4 GB main storage.

    We're not confusing main memory with storage space are we by any chance?

    E.g. a current Samsung A15 model has 128Gb of **storage** and 4Gb of **memory**. (That's one priced at £149 here in the UK)


    --
    Chris Green
    ·

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Dec 4 09:51:22 2024
    Chris wrote:

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that hard to believe.

    <https://www.takealot.com/hisense-u965-2020-8gb-dual-sim-amber/PLID70723788>

    <https://www.takealot.com/mobicel-vibe-dual-sim-8gb-vodacom-network-locked-blue/PLID93330140>

    <https://www.takealot.com/mobicel-v1-8-1gb-single-sim-blue/PLID92894196>

    I guess warehouses shift their new-old-stock to Africa?

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Wed Dec 4 13:05:13 2024
    On 2024-12-04 03:22, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 13:20:41 +0000, Andy Burns <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes wrote:

    I'll end up paying [more] for less.
    I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:

    1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
    2. To have more storage

    I realise you live in a different part of the world, but are they really
    selling phones with 16GB or less of storage there? I'd say most phones
    here are 128GB or 256GB, do you use an SD card?

    My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
    SD card.

    It keeps telling me that it's getting full.

    I'm offered an "upgrade" of a phone with 4GB of storage for 2.5 times
    the price.

    Ridiculous. There is something strange here. Ah, it will be RAM, as
    Frank says.

    Please say exactly what model you are being offered.

    --
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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Wed Dec 4 11:27:20 2024
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]

    My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
    SD card.

    It keeps telling me that it's getting full.

    I'm offered an "upgrade" of a phone with 4GB of storage for 2.5 times
    the price.

    I'm sure the 4GB is *RAM*, i.e. main memory (volatile 'storage') not
    Internal Storage (permanent, non-volatile storage)!

    So you're comparing apples with oranges.

    Your current phone has 1GB RAM, so the upgrade has *4 times* that. So
    you pay more to get more, not less.

    See the "Memory and storage" section of your reference:

    <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    Anyway, post a link to the specs and price of the "upgrade" so we know
    what we're talking about.

    [...]

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Dec 4 11:33:21 2024
    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
    the 16GB in the phone I have.

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that hard to believe.

    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
    replied to Steve about that mixup.

    OTOH, my first phone (Android 4.1.1) *did* have 4GB Internal Storage,
    with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!
    :-)

    [...]

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed Dec 4 19:03:24 2024
    Chris wrote:

    How do you know OP is in Africa?

    He's an irregular poster here ...

    email addr @telkomsa.net

    and contents of .sig

    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    http://www.khanya.org.za/

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Thu Dec 5 02:26:57 2024
    On 2024-12-05 02:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:27:20 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]

    My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
    SD card.

    It keeps telling me that it's getting full.

    I'm offered an "upgrade" of a phone with 4GB of storage for 2.5 times
    the price.

    I'm sure the 4GB is *RAM*, i.e. main memory (volatile 'storage') not
    Internal Storage (permanent, non-volatile storage)!

    So you're comparing apples with oranges.

    Your current phone has 1GB RAM, so the upgrade has *4 times* that. So
    you pay more to get more, not less.

    Thank you. That is the kind of information I was looking for. The
    information in the catalogue is very sketchy.

    See the "Memory and storage" section of your reference:

    <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    Anyway, post a link to the specs and price of the "upgrade" so we know
    what we're talking about.

    This one is just double the price of my present phone:

    <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>

    Storage can be 64 or 128 or 256 GB, depending on the model.

    RAM can be 3 or 4.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 5 03:38:12 2024
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
    the 16GB in the phone I have.

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that >> hard to believe.

    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
    replied to Steve about that mixup.

    The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your clarifications.

    They refer to RAM and ROM.

    I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
    were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
    that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
    therefore could not be subsequently written to.







    OTOH, my first phone (Android 4.1.1) *did* have 4GB Internal Storage,
    with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!
    :-)

    [...]

    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 5 03:24:26 2024
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:27:20 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]

    My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
    SD card.

    It keeps telling me that it's getting full.

    I'm offered an "upgrade" of a phone with 4GB of storage for 2.5 times
    the price.

    I'm sure the 4GB is *RAM*, i.e. main memory (volatile 'storage') not
    Internal Storage (permanent, non-volatile storage)!

    So you're comparing apples with oranges.

    Your current phone has 1GB RAM, so the upgrade has *4 times* that. So
    you pay more to get more, not less.

    Thank you. That is the kind of information I was looking for. The
    information in the catalogue is very sketchy.

    See the "Memory and storage" section of your reference:

    <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

    Anyway, post a link to the specs and price of the "upgrade" so we know
    what we're talking about.

    This one is just double the price of my present phone:

    <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 5 03:51:17 2024
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 05:51:23 +0000, Andy Burns <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes wrote:

    Boris wrote:

    Here's an unlocked Samsung A25-5G phone, 128 GB, dual nano-SIM, or single >>> nano-SIM with micro-SD. Very nice camera. $250 U.S.

    That's about 3x what I can afford.
    It's not good that you have a choice of one phone with 128GB for under
    R1500, I suppose it's better than a choice of zero ...

    <https://www.bobshop.co.za/brand-new-mobicel-x9-4gb-128gb-50mp-camera-r1460/p/631201657>

    You could get 64GB for about R1000, but I see the weasel words "4GB RAM >extended" which I think means 2GB of real memory plus 2GB of fake memory?

    The one I mentioned before here:

    <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>

    is said in the ad to have 8Gb, being 4Gb + 4Gb "dynamic" RAM, whatever
    that means.

    It's R1900, which is about £82.37 or $US104.60


    <https://www.takealot.com/hisense-e34-64gb-lte-dual-sim-black/PLID95955510>

    I don't claim to know the equivalent spending power of R vs $ vs £, but
    it seems the real choice begins at R2000

    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Thu Dec 5 06:05:06 2024
    Carlos E.R. wrote on Thu, 5 Dec 2024 02:26:57 +0100 :

    <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>

    Storage can be 64 or 128 or 256 GB, depending on the model.

    RAM can be 3 or 4.

    For the OP, I only have cheap phones ('cuz I get them for free, that's
    why), but even so, nowadays, as others said, 64GB of internal storage is
    pretty normal stuff as is an sdslot so that you can add much more.

    Dunno what an sd card costs in South Africa but here, in the states, you
    can get a 128GB sd card off of Amazon for a bit over ten bucks or so.

    That's exactly what's in my phone, a Samsung Galaxy A32-5G:
    1. 64 GB of internal storage
    2. 128 GB of portable storage (I used to only have 64GB for years)

    That works fine for me, and I consider myself pretty typical when it comes
    to storage needs - but let me look up how much RAM is on my phone for you.

    Settings > Battery & device care > Memory
    3) 4GB memory (1.2 GB Available)

    What I love about being kind hearted enough to help people, I learn stuff accidentally. I apparently have a setting for "RAM Plus" whatever that is.
    <https://www.simplymac.com/android/what-is-samsung-ram-plus-is-it-worth-it>
    "Samsung RAM Plus is a feature found in certain Samsung smartphones
    that creates virtual RAM by using a portion of the device's internal
    storage to provide extra temporary memory when the actual RAM is
    running low."

    I didn't even realize this existed until I looked for the OP, where my "RAM Plus" has the option of "2GB" or "4GB" and mine is already set to 4GB.
    4) 4GB RAM Plus

    I'm not sure how to interpret that reality, but if I guess based only on knowing that it exists, I guess I have 4GB of RAM but if the phone thinks
    it needs 8GB of RAM, it will take the latter out of my internal storage.

    Who knew?
    Not me.

    Anyway, for the OP, I consider that low-end phone perfectly fine for my
    needs. What does it cost now? Dunno. It was probably less than two hundred bucks when it was brand new three years ago.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Thu Dec 5 09:49:44 2024
    Steve Hayes wrote:

    The one I mentioned before here:

    <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>

    is said in the ad to have 8Gb, being 4Gb + 4Gb "dynamic" RAM, whatever
    that means.
    It's some kind of virtual memory trickery, not sure if it uses
    compression or just pages stuff between ram and flash?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Dec 5 09:43:03 2024
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    my first phone (Android 4.1.1) did have 4GB Internal Storage,
    with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!

    Mine had 0.5GB ram and 0.5GB flash, I bought a 2GB sdcard and used
    custom kernels to move partitions around ...

    <https://youtu.be/ue7wM0QC5LE?t=184>

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Thu Dec 5 11:57:47 2024
    On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than >>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that >>> hard to believe.

    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
    replied to Steve about that mixup.

    The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your clarifications.

    They refer to RAM and ROM.

    I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
    were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
    that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and therefore could not be subsequently written to.

    I doubt the adds mention ROM.

    The link you posted <[email protected]> does not mention ROM, for instance.

    It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.

    Memory Card slot microSDXC (dedicated slot)
    Internal 64GB 3GB RAM, 64GB 4GB RAM, 128GB 4GB RAM, 256GB 4GB RAM
    еMMC 5.1

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Thu Dec 5 11:31:16 2024
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than >> > the 16GB in the phone I have.

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that >> hard to believe.

    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
    replied to Steve about that mixup.

    The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your clarifications.

    They refer to RAM and ROM.

    I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
    were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
    that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and therefore could not be subsequently written to.

    In this case, ROM is a dumb and incorrect term. It isn't Read-Only
    Memory, because it's Internal Storage, so - besides the operating system
    and factory-installed apps - is stores additional apps and data. (BTW,
    also part which stores the operating system and factory-installed apps
    can be written/re-written, so also that part is not 'ROM'.)

    Some people/sources call it flash-memory, but I think that's a bad
    term as well, because it describes the technology, instead of what it
    does/is.

    Your new reference (<https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>)
    says "storage" and "Internal". Those are the normally used terms, i.e. "Storage" and "Internal Storage".

    [...]

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 6 14:40:19 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:05:06 -0000 (UTC), Andrew <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    What I love about being kind hearted enough to help people, I learn stuff >accidentally. I apparently have a setting for "RAM Plus" whatever that is.
    <https://www.simplymac.com/android/what-is-samsung-ram-plus-is-it-worth-it> "Samsung RAM Plus is a feature found in certain Samsung smartphones
    that creates virtual RAM by using a portion of the device's internal
    storage to provide extra temporary memory when the actual RAM is
    running low."

    I didn't even realize this existed until I looked for the OP, where my "RAM >Plus" has the option of "2GB" or "4GB" and mine is already set to 4GB.
    4) 4GB RAM Plus

    Thanks for your help, and I didn't know that either.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Dec 6 14:44:27 2024
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than >>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that >>>> hard to believe.

    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
    replied to Steve about that mixup.

    The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
    clarifications.

    They refer to RAM and ROM.

    I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
    were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
    that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
    therefore could not be subsequently written to.

    I doubt the adds mention ROM.

    The link you posted <[email protected]> does not mention ROM, for instance.

    It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.

    If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
    But it said ROM.

    For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM



    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Fri Dec 6 14:08:44 2024
    On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than >>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
    hard to believe.

    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
    replied to Steve about that mixup.

    The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
    clarifications.

    They refer to RAM and ROM.

    I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
    were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
    that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
    therefore could not be subsequently written to.

    I doubt the adds mention ROM.

    The link you posted <[email protected]> does not mention ROM, for instance. >>
    It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.

    If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
    But it said ROM.

    I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not happen.


    For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

    Link, please.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Dec 7 05:59:42 2024
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than >>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
    hard to believe.

    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've >>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.

    The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
    clarifications.

    They refer to RAM and ROM.

    I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
    were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
    that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
    therefore could not be subsequently written to.

    I doubt the adds mention ROM.

    The link you posted <[email protected]> does not mention ROM, for instance.

    It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash. >>
    If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
    But it said ROM.

    I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page ><https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not >happen.


    For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

    Link, please.

    Can't be arsed.

    I'd have to take a photo of the paper catalogue, find somewhere to put
    it online, and then send you the link, and you probably wouldn't be
    able to read it anyway because of the poor definition.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 7 14:44:42 2024
    Steve Hayes, 2024-12-06 13:44:

    [...]
    If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
    But it said ROM.

    For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

    Because "ROM" is often used as substitute for "flash memory". People
    don't care if this is technically correct, they just need to understand
    the difference between RAM used for running apps and any other memory
    used to store apps and other data permanently.


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Sat Dec 7 14:36:44 2024
    On 2024-12-07 04:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than >>>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
    hard to believe.

    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've >>>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.

    The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
    clarifications.

    They refer to RAM and ROM.

    I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
    were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
    that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and >>>>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.

    I doubt the adds mention ROM.

    The link you posted <[email protected]> does not mention ROM, for instance.

    It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash. >>>
    If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
    But it said ROM.

    I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not
    happen.


    For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

    Link, please.

    Can't be arsed.

    I'd have to take a photo of the paper catalogue, find somewhere to put
    it online, and then send you the link, and you probably wouldn't be
    able to read it anyway because of the poor definition.

    Ok.

    Well, it is very curious. Samsung own page doesn't say how much rom the
    Samsung A05s has, but it says it has 64 GB of storage, and that is the
    flash memory.

    <https://www.samsung.com/es/smartphones/galaxy-a/galaxy-a05s-silver-128gb-sm-a057gzsveub/>

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    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 8 05:12:08 2024
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 14:44:42 +0100, Arno Welzel <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    Steve Hayes, 2024-12-06 13:44:

    [...]
    If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
    But it said ROM.

    For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

    Because "ROM" is often used as substitute for "flash memory". People
    don't care if this is technically correct, they just need to understand
    the difference between RAM used for running apps and any other memory
    used to store apps and other data permanently.

    But it can lead to misunderstandings -- it certainly did in my case.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Dec 10 11:59:13 2024
    In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than >>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
    hard to believe.

    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've >>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.

    The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
    clarifications.

    They refer to RAM and ROM.

    I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
    were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
    that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
    therefore could not be subsequently written to.

    I doubt the adds mention ROM.

    The link you posted <[email protected]> does not mention ROM, for instance.

    It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash. >>
    If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
    But it said ROM.

    I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page ><https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not >happen.


    For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

    Link, please.


    Steve seems to have forgotten but his original link https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/

    Says RAM: 1GB
    ROM: 8GB / 16GB*

    Of course phonemore is not Samsung or Gsmarena. I don't know who pays
    for it or why they have it. I don't think they're getting rich on their advertising. For that matter, I don't know who pays for gsmarena.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Dec 10 18:45:53 2024
    micky <[email protected]> wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
    [...]
    If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
    But it said ROM.

    I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page ><https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not >happen.

    For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

    Link, please.

    Steve seems to have forgotten but his original link https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/

    Says RAM: 1GB
    ROM: 8GB / 16GB*

    Of course phonemore is not Samsung or Gsmarena. I don't know who pays
    for it or why they have it. I don't think they're getting rich on their advertising. For that matter, I don't know who pays for gsmarena.

    As I have said before, the phonemore.com page for the Samsung A2 Core (SM-A260F) indeed says "ROM: 8GB / 16GB*", but it *also* and very
    *clearly* says:

    "Memory and storage

    RAM memory 1GB LPDDR3

    Internal storage 16GB (12GB available)
    eMMC 5.1

    External storage V Until 256GB microSD, microSDXC
    (dedicated slot)"

    So someone who pays a tiny bit of attention, sees that the phone has
    16GB of Internal Storage. Never mind incorrect/misleading terms like
    "ROM", "flash", etc..

    BTW, Carlos looked at a different site (gsmarena.com instead of phonemore.com), a different brand (Realme instead of Samsung) and a
    totally different category of phone.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Dec 10 20:37:23 2024
    On 2024-12-10 17:59, micky wrote:
    In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
    Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
    [...]
    The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than >>>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.

    Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
    hard to believe.

    The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've >>>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.

    The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
    clarifications.

    They refer to RAM and ROM.

    I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
    were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
    that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and >>>>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.

    I doubt the adds mention ROM.

    The link you posted <[email protected]> does not mention ROM, for instance.

    It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash. >>>
    If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
    But it said ROM.

    I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not
    happen.


    For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

    Link, please.


    Steve seems to have forgotten but his original link https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/

    Says RAM: 1GB
    ROM: 8GB / 16GB*

    Right, it does, in the summary


    Of course phonemore is not Samsung or Gsmarena. I don't know who pays
    for it or why they have it. I don't think they're getting rich on their advertising. For that matter, I don't know who pays for gsmarena.

    A bit below the summary are the details:

    Memory and storage

    RAM memory 1GB LPDDR3
    Internal storage 16GB (12GB available) eMMC 5.1
    External storage Until 256GB microSD, microSDXC (dedicated slot)


    So it is not actually ROM.
    They do print a lot of details in readable format, which is good.


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    Cheers, Carlos.

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